Thaksin Expresses Wish To Return To Thailand Without Seeking Any Position

[rubl]

With k. Thaksin owning a private plane there's really nothing stopping him to come back. Mind you a welcoming committee to escort him to the prison cell reserved for him might not be to his liking. Unfortunately rule of/by law still stands in the way. Don't worry though, Pheu Thai, red-shirts and our PM are really busy 'for the good of the country', 'democracy', etc., etc.

[MILT]

Thaskin returns and says "i won't seek any position" which shortly after, he is the standing PM becuse the people demanded it, and he had no other choice than to help the Thai people.

[brd199]

Brd199, I am not questioning his guilt, i think he is guilty, waht i am questioning is why he has been convicted, when there are numerous of cases, political/criminal which have never made any progress when they are pretty much open and shit cases, for far more severe crimes.

Can you answer this. If Thaksin was a standing member of parliament or a member of the opposition who committed a crime, would he be found guilty or would the case ever go to court?

There are a number of cases for standing MPs that are currently in process. If Thaksin didn't flee, and appealed, his 5 year political ban would be finished and he could probably be an MP (most likely PM). His numerous other cases would be ongoing, and if there was a conviction he would have appealed.

So other than his guilt, what does or did he fear in the Thai system? However much people dislike the guy, he is a sharp cookie, so what stopped him coming back?

Loss of face for having been proven guilty of criminal behavior.

Narcissistics don't like the truth about themselves.

That's always been a real sticking point for him. Admitting guilt and repenting.

That would account for a pardon for him would never occur.

Cases involving others have progressed, but as pointed out earlier, the process can be extremely slow. There are many cases with overwhelming evidence that plod along, but they do move. The cases that aren't moving are those that are awaiting his return, several of them have literally boxes and boxes of evidence.

If Thaksin was an MP, he would likely still be free based on MP immunity, the same as many of the MP's are doing now.

Edited May 1, 2013 by brd199

[smutcakes]

Brd199, I am not questioning his guilt, i think he is guilty, waht i am questioning is why he has been convicted, when there are numerous of cases, political/criminal which have never made any progress when they are pretty much open and shit cases, for far more severe crimes.

Can you answer this. If Thaksin was a standing member of parliament or a member of the opposition who committed a crime, would he be found guilty or would the case ever go to court?

There are a number of cases for standing MPs that are currently in process. If Thaksin didn't flee, and appealed, his 5 year political ban would be finished and he could probably be an MP (most likely PM). His numerous other cases would be ongoing, and if there was a conviction he would have appealed.

So other than his guilt, what does or did he fear in the Thai system? However much people dislike the guy, he is a sharp cookie, so what stopped him coming back?

Loss of face for having been proven guilty of criminal behavior.

Narcissistics don't like the truth about themselves.

That's always been a real sticking point for him. Admitting guilt and repenting.

That would account for a pardon for him would never occur.

Cases involving others have progressed, but as pointed out earlier, the process can be extremely slow. There are many cases with overwhelming evidence that plod along, but they do move. The cases that aren't moving are those that are awaiting his return, several of them have literally boxes and boxes of evidence.

If Thaksin was an MP, he would likely still be free based on MP immunity, the same as many of the MP's are doing now.

So your telling me a guy who built up a huge telecommunication company (by hook or crook it takes savvy), does not have the lawyers etc to tell him that he should of come home and appealed? Pull the other one.

He feared and still does fear something.

[kingstonkid]

He can come home whenever he wants. All he has to do is do the time for the crime.

[pacovl46]

Request denied!!!
Request will continue to be denied unless it reads:

1. I'm ready to go to jail for what I have done.

2. I will serve the full sentence/ i.e. no parole.

3. I will stay completely away from politics until the end of my days, effective immediately. That means no string puppet mastery either!

[Loptr]

He could have come home a long time ago and would have been out of prison by now too. The only thing keeping him in exile is his own hubris.

[Locationthailand]

There are many who liken the "cult" behind this guy to a certain short Austrian artist with a funny moustache. However, this kind of populist cult is better paralleled to the "Peronist" style of popular policies that look good for a few moments and keep everyone busy while really the country is going to rack and ruin through the plunder being wrought through corruption, incompetence and outright thievery. Peron could do no wrong and while his wife beguiled the masses with her appeal he and his cronies ruined their countries entire economic base. There are still Peronist cult followers even now, 60+ years later, as will there always be apologists and sympathises for Thuggy and his clan. King John's Magna Carta (the world's first constitution giving rights to ordinary people) and the war of the feudal barons is another good example, John threw it out with the Popes blessing, and what ensued was a long list of wars and instability, that happened over 800 years ago but it seems like us humans just like to repeat the same thing over and over again.

Good post, hope to see many more.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed.

[Locationthailand]

The difference dear puppet master between "...political offences from the beginning of 2006" and outright theft, misappropriation and fraud, apart from inciting to riot, murder et al., should be plain for one like yourself with a doctorate to understand. Simply put, if you wish to return, by all means do so and face the arrest you have been avoiding, then face more charges of bail jumping, more fraud and abuse of position etc. I think the two year initial period will pave the way for an extended stay, paid totally by the Govt, which seems to be your MO.

However, like all sociopaths, one can hardly believe a word that comes out of your mouth. And your return will throw this country into civil war, which I am sure is your intent.

[lungmi]

The desperate man of Dubai is short of money. His push for amnesty, his skype-attacks.

He knows that he cannot pay the different factions of PTP and his "old" friends now in action for Thailand.

Some of his strongholds crumbles away. Some PTP members in local administrations want to make her job without Thaksin and the red shirts.

For the Dems it's the same. Young Dems have more connections to good PTPs than to the old "bosses" (Suthep and other bull terriers)

[smutcakes]

The desperate man of Dubai is short of money. His push for amnesty, his skype-attacks.

He knows that he cannot pay the different factions of PTP and his "old" friends now in action for Thailand.

Some of his strongholds crumbles away. Some PTP members in local administrations want to make her job without Thaksin and the red shirts.

For the Dems it's the same. Young Dems have more connections to good PTPs than to the old "bosses" (Suthep and other bull terriers)

Your joking right? Skype 'attacks' from 'sources'. I hope they lose the next election, but i hope more that they get the chance to lose the next election rather than watching this charade going around in circles.

[ableguy]

let Prime Minister Yingluck [shinawatra] continue to run the country."

This really is the issue, a convicted, on the run felon will "allow" an elected prime minister to run the country. I have no doubt that he will be back, without serving time, all the rich put up bail to escape jail. The thing that must not happen is for his conviction to be put aside so that he can become PM again.

I truly think the army would not allow this.

[ableguy]

The desperate man of Dubai is short of money. His push for amnesty, his skype-attacks.

He knows that he cannot pay the different factions of PTP and his "old" friends now in action for Thailand.

Some of his strongholds crumbles away. Some PTP members in local administrations want to make her job without Thaksin and the red shirts.

For the Dems it's the same. Young Dems have more connections to good PTPs than to the old "bosses" (Suthep and other bull terriers)

He still has a billion USA

[ableguy]

Of course and hopefully they do go ahead, but i go back to my original point, when has anyone who is at least a little bit connected/wealthy ever seen prison time? He fairly clearly broke the law and should be punished, but there are many out there the same, who will also never see a prison cell. Hence my original comment regarding a craw in is throat, and political.

The argument you seem to be making is because others have got away with it / get away with it, so should Thaksin. Justice has to start somewhere, and why not with the highest profile offender? It would be a start would it not? It would set a precedent. If we go on saying, well why should x be punished when y got off scot-free, the process of change will never every begin. You have to start somewhere.

He is not saying he should get away with it, he is saying based on past history of the rich it is highly likely he will do no time. However my view is he was given time and his donut bribes failed ( remmember that ) so what will happen in the future ???? a civil war .

[PoodMaiDai]

He'll probably be running this place again within 10 years.

[jonclark]

Most Farangs on this forum knock Thaksin but he gave them 30 Baht Health Care, they will kisses his ask.

I love Thais but most Farangs are cheap Poor Fools

Do you include your parents in ' poor cheap fools' category? As only a fool would give birth to and then raise someone to make such racist comments.

Edited May 1, 2013 by jonclark

[Frank James]

Mr. T has more to fear from assassins than from any legal actions. Remember when Mr. Aquino returned to the Philippines? His foot had barely touched the ground before he was gunned down.

Its surprising, the level of hatred and contempt for this man, from members of this 'expat' community, who really have no dog in this hunt.

From what I can read of his record as PM, and his personal history, he was the most effective man in that position that this country has ever seen. Calling any politician here 'corrupt' is meaningless and laughable. It's the game. Players come and go, the game remains the same.

[jonclark]

He'll probably be running this place again within 10 years.

Isn't he running it now?

[jonclark]

Mr. T has more to fear from assassins than from any legal actions. Remember when Mr. Aquino returned to the Philippines? His foot had barely touched the ground before he was gunned down.

Its surprising, the level of hatred and contempt for this man, from members of this 'expat' community, who really have no dog in this hunt.

From what I can read of his record as PM, and his personal history, he was the most effective man in that position that this country has ever seen. Calling any politician here 'corrupt' is meaningless and laughable. It's the game. Players come and go, the game remains the same.

Yep he was the most effective at being corrupt, i'll grant him that.

If the expat community unanimously loved, venerated and worshiped him wouldn't that also be just as surprising as we have, as you say, no dog in the hunt?? Love him or hate him, its all just discussion.

Edited May 1, 2013 by jonclark

[AleG]

So your telling me a guy who built up a huge telecommunication company (by hook or crook it takes savvy), does not have the lawyers etc to tell him that he should of come home and appealed? Pull the other one.

He feared and still does fear something.

It was Thaksin's lawyers who tried to pull a fast one by bribing the judge with a pastry box stuffed with bills.

Thaksin's intelligence and savvy are grossly exaggerated in my opinion. He used his and his wife's familiy patronage network to enrich himself, nothing particularly tasking in the brains department. Same as Yingluck ending up as PM, she didn't get there by her intelligence or career in politics, qualifications just don't factor into that system, it's who you know and who can push you up in return for a favour or two.

[Maestro]

I believe there has never been any legal impediment for Thaksin Shinawatra to return to Thailand. Even his expired Thai passport would have been valid for travel to Thailand, but I understand he has in the meantime obtained a new passport.

[yoshiwara]

Mr. T has more to fear from assassins than from any legal actions. Remember when Mr. Aquino returned to the Philippines? His foot had barely touched the ground before he was gunned down.

Its surprising, the level of hatred and contempt for this man, from members of this 'expat' community, who really have no dog in this hunt.

From what I can read of his record as PM, and his personal history, he was the most effective man in that position that this country has ever seen. Calling any politician here 'corrupt' is meaningless and laughable. It's the game. Players come and go, the game remains the same.

Thaksin apologist forum names appear to come and go as well.

[whybother]

Mr. T has more to fear from assassins than from any legal actions. Remember when Mr. Aquino returned to the Philippines? His foot had barely touched the ground before he was gunned down.

Its surprising, the level of hatred and contempt for this man, from members of this 'expat' community, who really have no dog in this hunt.

From what I can read of his record as PM, and his personal history, he was the most effective man in that position that this country has ever seen. Calling any politician here 'corrupt' is meaningless and laughable. It's the game. Players come and go, the game remains the same.

He was effective while there was a global economic boom. His proxy government aren't doing so well in a crap world economy.

[DekDaeng]

"I want to come home. Tell the Democrat Party not to worry. If I come back, I don't want anything, I won't ask for any positions. let Prime Minister Yingluck [shinawatra] continue to run the country."

I wont believe it unless Mr Noppydoll says it. 'Taksin coming straight back from Japan'

But then again I won't believe it if he does say it, too.

[waza]

The desperate man of Dubai is short of money. His push for amnesty, his skype-attacks.

He knows that he cannot pay the different factions of PTP and his "old" friends now in action for Thailand.

Some of his strongholds crumbles away. Some PTP members in local administrations want to make her job without Thaksin and the red shirts.

For the Dems it's the same. Young Dems have more connections to good PTPs than to the old "bosses" (Suthep and other bull terriers)

He still has a billion USA

Ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra was believed to have $5 billion of overseas assets in nominal value as stock markets were peaking, oil was trading at US$140 a barrel and Middle East real estate was going up every day. But, with the collapse of the global financial markets and the commodity prices, Thaksin's core money is now believed to be worth not more than US$500 million."By my calculations, the core money is not worth much more than US$500 million at today's liquidation value, http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Down-to-his-last-$500-million--30091929.html

[bangkokburning]

I cannot possibly multiquote all of these sorts of arguments:

But why him?

There are so many similar, worse, this, that cases...blah blah political...

Yeah, well politics works both ways. In his early years he clearly manipulated the system in his favor. In the latter years, the winds had changed and he was out.

How is that so different than a few dozen autocrats around the world in past decades or two or three or firever...

He is sort of Berlousconi jr.

Sad day for Thailand when he returns. Dont know which is worse, the failed rule of law or the shitstorm he will bring.

Taksin can never be a force for good in tbis country and I greatly empathize w red shirts.

[brd199]

There are a number of cases for standing MPs that are currently in process. If Thaksin didn't flee, and appealed, his 5 year political ban would be finished and he could probably be an MP (most likely PM). His numerous other cases would be ongoing, and if there was a conviction he would have appealed.

So other than his guilt, what does or did he fear in the Thai system? However much people dislike the guy, he is a sharp cookie, so what stopped him coming back?

Loss of face for having been proven guilty of criminal behavior.

Narcissistics don't like the truth about themselves.

That's always been a real sticking point for him. Admitting guilt and repenting.

That would account for a pardon for him would never occur.

Cases involving others have progressed, but as pointed out earlier, the process can be extremely slow. There are many cases with overwhelming evidence that plod along, but they do move. The cases that aren't moving are those that are awaiting his return, several of them have literally boxes and boxes of evidence.

If Thaksin was an MP, he would likely still be free based on MP immunity, the same as many of the MP's are doing now.

So your telling me a guy who built up a huge telecommunication company (by hook or crook it takes savvy), does not have the lawyers etc to tell him that he should of come home and appealed? Pull the other one.

He feared and still does fear something.

That's your speculation. There's many other possibilities as to why he hasn't returned.

If you look what he has said himself, he has stated he won't come back if there are convictions or charges to be faced.

As for the appeal of his supreme court conviction, I think it's safe to presume he told his lawyers not to appeal within the required 30 days from his date of conviction. I doubt they made that decision for him. He didn't need to return to file the appeal as it could have been through his lawyers.

Edited May 1, 2013 by brd199

[rubl]

^#118 from brd199

It's interesting that while progressing from bail-jumping fugitive to criminal fugitive Thaksin could still authorize his team of lawyers to file an appeal. As his team didn't I can only assume Thaksin didn't bother.

[weka]

He's scared of something, that much is certain. If not he'd already be back here.

So what's he scared of?

Assassination, Jail, Not being the number one power in the land, losing more money/power, rain???

I don't know but something is stopping or delaying his "triumphant return".

Something is bothering him though.

Any ideas? - (jail doesn't seem likely given the dearth of mega wealthy in prisons over here)

Edited May 1, 2013 by weka