Woolwich Attack: ' Soldier Beheaded' By Ranting Fanatics On Busy London Street

[super22k]

I feel so sorry for this soldier and his family. GOD REST HIS SOUL.

I am going to bed now. If anyone replies to my post,I will will continue the debate tomorrow. Good night.

[Norvabc]

The man is a Londoner from the accent, from what I see he is of West African decent, this could be from Nigeria to DRC.

He does not show any signs of being a true Muslim, in my opinion.

Sadly though it is the culture of Africa in cases of violence, as the witnesses said to go “Animal”.

It seems from news reports in Africa that killing the victim is done in the most terrible way. They even have a song and a slogan now in Africa “Kill the Boer” (Kill the farmer) and is sung openly. These murders are seldom reported in local or western press

I doubt that this creep would have killed a brother Bro even if he was in the army.

These murders are most horrific and cowardly, and this sort of crime is a daily occurrence in most African countries and committed in a lot of cases for little or no reason.

It seems now our liberal values have come back to haunt us

God bless the soldier and his family

Edited May 23, 2013 by Norvabc

[wooloomooloo]

Great post, Neil. What you going to do about it?

There's not a lot you can do.

We can only secure our borders, to the best of abilities, and allow justice to prevail.

Yesterday's event was murder and terrorism. There was political aim to the detriment of an easy target.

The State is a good parent which praises and punishes as required.

Don't cloud your judgement with otherworld's affairs.

[Wat dee]

If you invite these people to live in your country, you have to expect this kind of thing.

It has been suggested that the perps are Somalis (or alternatively Nigerians); that wouldn't be surprising, because almost 2% of the Somali nation now lives in the UK, with 70,000 of them in London alone. Parts of South London have been turned into a little Mogadishu, with Somali gangs and Nigerian gangs fighting with knives and guns over drug territories.

So the UK Government cannot wring its hands and say "How terrible" because it is the Government that has created the conditions which made this sickening incident inevitable. Nor would the Government be guiltless if some British version of Anders Breivik were to surface and start to take measures into his own hands.

Come on...brits should have picked their own cotton..

[Neil1952]

Great post, Neil. What you going to do about it?

I have no power to do anything about it, beyond directing people to a greater understanding of the problem, those who do not understand the problem or it's potential and who believe that the answer lies within Islam itself, they are mistaken, the West must provide the answer, there is no compunction within Islam to provide a solution for infidels, other than conversion, dhimmitude or jihad.

The collective has to find the solution.

Edited May 23, 2013 by Neil1952

[MAJIC]

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Taken out of context to bash Islam and spew your own foul propaganda.

Not to mention it is but one of many translations of that passage?

E.g Muhammad Sarwar: Your Lord inspired the angels saying, "I am with you. Encourage the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and you will strike their heads and limbs;

In other words: you're about to fight for your survival, but because God is on your side you will be successfull in battle.

I've heard similar speeches rousing troops from great leaders of men. You don't have a problem with a British Platoon/Company Commander inspiring his troops before battle in 'Stan do you?

Do you know anything about the passages before and after, the historical context of what was written?

This verse is lifted from several describing the Battle of Badr, C7 AD.

The pagans of Makkah marched to Madinah with an army of about 1000 to destroy Muslims, where there was severe persecutions and torture for 13 years against them.

The Muslims fled to Medinah with a small army of around 300. The enemy came to them with the intent to kill Muslims. It was a war to defend themselves. It was a war imposed upon Muslims.

No fighting if peace is on the cards:

8:61 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that hears and knows (all things).

60:08 God forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just.

60:09 God only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these

circumstances), that do wrong.

How about some quotes with no context from the Bible to further prove my point:

KJV-Matthew 10:

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

1 Samuel:

And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

Get it yet?

Religeous History,Muslim,and many others,is Bunkum,get to the point of what is happening today on the streets,in the name of dangerous nonsense beliefs,taught to the very young,who are,brainwashed and ignorant.

[griffinz]

these people don't give a toss about anyone or anything,the Uk is basically knackered,they don't respect the law,only the Koran law,if your not Muslim a non believer you should be killed there Koran,Enoch Powell saw this coming,,if I demonstrate shouting British police burn in hell ,I woul get locked up,oh no not your Muslim allow them to say anything,I'm sorry I don't want to offend but how long before the uk becomes a Muslim state,......

[HaleySabai]

It has been suggested that the perps are Somalis....

In my country the Somalis have become a scourge.A few years ago when the refugees started showing up,no sooner almost daily were gangland-type shootings as they were bent on taking over the drug trade,but the H.A put them well into their place with more than 40 killed over a 2yr period.

Our immigration policies are extremely native and the mainstream society is going to suffer the consequences.

[mad mary]

Don't know who wrote what nor do I care .I just makes sense for a simple bloke like me

Dr. Emanuel Tanay is real and a holocaust survivor but he did not write this article, nor is he German. This is an opinion piece that appeared on the web site of Paul Marek, who wrote it in March 2007 under the title of "Why the Peaceful Majority is Irrelevant." Click for original version of article.

Source to article below: https://www.facebook.com/carledward.sambrook/posts/659039264122269

A German's View on Islam - worth reading. This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

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[Chittychangchang]

these people don't give a toss about anyone or anything,the Uk is basically knackered,they don't respect the law,only the Koran law,if your not Muslim a non believer you should be killed there Koran,Enoch Powell saw this coming,,if I demonstrate shouting British police burn in hell ,I woul get locked up,oh no not your Muslim allow them to say anything,I'm sorry I don't want to offend but how long before the uk becomes a Muslim state,......

I wonder if Mssrs. Cameron,Clegg and Milliband will be issuing a full and frank posthumous public apology to the family of Enoch Powell? Mr Powell, eminent scholar, Professor and Brigadier in the British army was pilloried and hounded to his grave by the political establishment for his perceptive and frank views in 1968 in his so called Rivers of blood speech. He was labelled a bigot by his peers who said it would never happen.

Well it looks like it just did.

[geordiel]

Neither do the majority of Muslims!

As for Christians blowing up kids; remember Warrington, for example.

What about the British sending the Black and Tans into Ireland? They killed women and kids.

No they didn't.

[sjjmmi]

Just hand them both now and stop paying to save there lives at our cost

[Wossnext]

ho gives a rats arse where he was born what accent he has and what religion he thinks he believes in, he committed a horriffic crime against this poor innocent bloke. He should be marched inside Woolwich Barracks and left there for the soldiers to deal with him.

There is a video, here

He does not look Islamic to me and does seem to have a strong British accent.

Edited May 24, 2013 by Scott

[sustento]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/letters-british-muslims-condemn-horror-in-woolwich-8629693.html

[crudski]

Transam:

So why do folk from religion dominated countries and lives come to a Christian country that they hate. Somebody tell me, perhaps you.

They don't!.

The vast majority of Muslims living in the UK were either born here or came to the UK in the hope of making a better life for themselves. They no more hate the UK than you hate Thailand! (Or maybe you do hate Thailand?)

What they do hate are these extremists who carry out these atrocities in the name of Islam!

Hundreds of thousands of Muslim soldiers fought, and many died, for this country in two world wars and many other campaigns. Many still do so today.

So WHY doesn't the supposed no.1, only religion in the world reel these folk in. WHY. WHY don't they teach what they do is against their beliefs and there will be noooooooooo harem for them. ??????????

In terms of followers; Christianity is the number one religion in the world; over 33% of those who follow a religion say they are Christian; about 21% say they are Muslim.

Prejudice and facts never go together!

I have not read the Koran; will those who claim it instructs Muslims to hate and murder non Muslims supply the appropriate quotes with references so I can check?

E.g., book A, verse X says..........

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

[JDGRUEN]

Denial might just be a river in Egypt, and guess what, they've got a radical Islamist president there now. Seriously, there is an international problem with radical Islam and trying to sugar coat it with liberal platitudes is not going to cut it. They don't care!

I second your position on this ... and I must say it is a first ...

[F4UCorsair]

A light hearted look

The bottom line:

The Arabs aren't happy!

They're not happy in Gaza.

They're not happy in Egypt.

They're not happy in Libya.

They're not happy in Morocco.

They're not happy in Iran.

They're not happy in Iraq.

They're not happy in Yemen.

They're not happy in Afgahnistan.

They're not happy in Pakistan.

They're not happy in Syria.

They're not happy in Lebanon.

And where are they happy?

They're happy in England.

They're happy in France.

They're happy in Italy.

They're happy in Germany.

They're happy in Sweden.

They're happy in the USA.

They're happy in Norway.

They are happy in Australia.

They're happy in every country that is not Muslim.

And who do they blame?

Not Islam.

Not their leadership.

Not themselves.

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN.

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Edited May 23, 2013 by F4UCorsair

[F4UCorsair]

wossnext said, "who gives a rats arse where he was born what accent he has and what religion he thinks he believes in, he committed a horriffic crime against this poor innocent bloke. He should be marched inside Woolwich Barracks and left there for the soldiers to deal with him".

I agree entirely wossnext. but our politically correct politicians will call for calm, his psychiatrist will tell the court of his troubled youth in wherever he came from, how he's had difficulty dealing with life in a country of infidels, etc., etc., etc., and this grub will be given a sentence that a Brit would get for shoplifting. Politicians have f****** our countries by importing trouble in what can only be called the worst, most disgraceful, and failed social experiment of out time, if not all time. Any lawyer defending this grub should be tried for treason!!

Edited May 23, 2013 by F4UCorsair

[JDGRUEN]

There is a considerable difference between a mass murderer who happens to have a Christian, Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu background killing people for various and sundry - often personal psychological reasons and a mass murderer or indiscriminate murderer who performs his heinous act in the name of his religion - yelling 'Allahu Akbar' all the while chopping the young soldier's head off with a meat cleaver. It is called MOTIVE ... and the motive for Islamic Jihadies is domination of the infidel and /or revenge for insults against Islam - done world-wide.

Except for the blind that refuse to see - there is a world-wide Islamic Jihadist Movement and has been for many decades - even before the slaughter of Israeli athletes by Arab commandos at the Munich Olympics in the 1970's. The motive was the same then and is the same now whether in England, Spain, India, Bali, Africa, Southern Thailand, or in Boston, USA. There is no comparison to any other religion of modernity - none. Islam has not evolved in 700 years or more ... And we are suppose to tolerate the brutal acts of people STUCK in the age of the Crusades. I think not.

[chooka]

All these actions do is drive a wedge deeper between muslims and the rest of the world. The entire muslim world needs to condem the actions of the radicals, proving that it is a religion of peace and tolerance. Unless they do nothing will change. Muslims march through the streets of christian countries (Aust) carrying placard calling for the beheading of non muslims and are free to do so under racial and religious vilification laws. Non muslims can be arrested and charged with incitement for similar actions.

If Muslims are really against these actions why don't they conduct a rally condeming these actions or would that be considered Blasphemous?

[F4UCorsair]

There is a considerable difference between a mass murderer who happens to have a Christian, Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu background killing people for various and sundry - often personal psychological reasons and a mass murderer or indiscriminate murderer who performs his heinous act in the name of his religion - yelling 'Allahu Akbar' all the while chopping the young soldier's head off with a meat cleaver. It is called MOTIVE ... and the motive for Islamic Jihadies is domination of the infidel and /or revenge for insults against Islam - done world-wide.

Except for the blind that refuse to see - there is a world-wide Islamic Jihadist Movement and has been for many decades - even before the slaughter of Israeli athletes by Arab commandos at the Munich Olympics in the 1970's. The motive was the same then and is the same now whether in England, Spain, India, Bali, Africa, Southern Thailand, or in Boston, USA. There is no comparison to any other religion of modernity - none. Islam has not evolved in 700 years or more ... And we are suppose to tolerate the brutal acts of people STUCK in the age of the Crusades. I think not.

Hear !! Hear !! jdgruen, but our politicians aren't listening!!

[F4UCorsair]

All these actions do is drive a wedge deeper between muslims and the rest of the world. The entire muslim world needs to condem the actions of the radicals, proving that it is a religion of peace and tolerance. Unless they do nothing will change. Muslims march through the streets of christian countries (Aust) carrying placard calling for the beheading of non muslims and are free to do so under racial and religious vilification laws. Non muslims can be arrested and charged with incitement for similar actions.

If Muslims are really against these actions why don't they conduct a rally condeming these actions or would that be considered Blasphemous?

There's a more logical reason. They are not against the actions.

Whenever there is an incident in Australia involving unsavoury activity involving muslims (nothing of this magnitude....yet, thankfully), the head of the islamic council waffles around the issue, but never disowns the perpetrators.

There is currently a muslim in jail here for terrorist offences, Abdul Nacer Benbrika, who lived here for 17 years, had 7 kids, never worked a day and drew social security benefits for the entire time, was ordered out three times but lawyers negotiated stays each time. He's doing a 15 year (12 non parole) sentence for plotting to bomb the MCG (Australia's largest sporting stadium) on AFL grand final day 2005, and the Melbourne Casino on Grand Prix final day 2006. The MCG holds 100,000 people. He has never been condemned (the usual garbage that they hope he isn't guilty of such terrible acts, will be tested by the courts, etc.)by any islamic organization in the country, certainly not that I am aware of. He will not express remorse.

For further information google Benbrika and see what we're up against.

Edited May 24, 2013 by F4UCorsair

[Naam]

There is a considerable difference between a mass murderer who happens to have a Christian, Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu background killing people for various and sundry - often personal psychological reasons and a mass murderer or indiscriminate murderer who performs his heinous act in the name of his religion - yelling 'Allahu Akbar' all the while chopping the young soldier's head off with a meat cleaver. It is called MOTIVE ... and the motive for Islamic Jihadies is domination of the infidel and /or revenge for insults against Islam - done world-wide.

Except for the blind that refuse to see - there is a world-wide Islamic Jihadist Movement and has been for many decades - even before the slaughter of Israeli athletes by Arab commandos at the Munich Olympics in the 1970's. The motive was the same then and is the same now whether in England, Spain, India, Bali, Africa, Southern Thailand, or in Boston, USA. There is no comparison to any other religion of modernity - none. Islam has not evolved in 700 years or more ... And we are suppose to tolerate the brutal acts of people STUCK in the age of the Crusades. I think not.

somebody who uses "700 years" in context with "Islam evolving" is hardly qualified to make any judgment on the faith of 1.6 billion. that also applies to "jihadists Munich olympics".

[Mosha]

Check a youtube for a video by Stacey Dooley Luton.

It shows ordinary Muslims.

7by7. I respect your opinions. But having read some on here. You and liberal wooly thinkers like you are partly responsible for what happened in Woolwich.

It's alright to have a diverse ethnic makeup BUT those same ethnic minorities / majorities need to adhere to British laws etc.

And if they do not or cannot then the UK should be able to rectify the situation either with imprisonment or ejection from the UK. Especially when it seems many do not want to be in the UK in the 1st place.

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They should adapt to living in the UK, not the other way round.

[NoshowJones]

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The Muslim Council of Britain called the attack "a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam," the Press Association reported.

That's why the two murderers were shouting Allahu Akbar. It's strange how such violent acts have apparently no basis in Islam, yet this seems to be misunderstood worldwide on a daily basis. I wonder why no other religion seems to be so misunderstood.

The UK has left it too late. Enoch Powell warned about this back in the sixties. Who remembers his speech about "rivers of blood in our country"? There was one MP who knew what he was talking about.

Enoch Powell made his speech in 1968,and could not have forseen a Federal Europe,which mean't open borders right across the whole of Europe,and our laws coming from Europe,which is why there is extreme pressure to give the British people a Referendum,on whether to stay in Europe or get our Country back.hopefully this will happen in less than 5 years.

I see your point, but the two Muslims murdering the soldier in London, and the ones responsible for the London bombings in 2005 didn't come from Europe, as far as I know, they were born in Britain.

[simple1]

All these actions do is drive a wedge deeper between muslims and the rest of the world. The entire muslim world needs to condem the actions of the radicals, proving that it is a religion of peace and tolerance. Unless they do nothing will change. Muslims march through the streets of christian countries (Aust) carrying placard calling for the beheading of non muslims and are free to do so under racial and religious vilification laws. Non muslims can be arrested and charged with incitement for similar actions.

If Muslims are really against these actions why don't they conduct a rally condeming these actions or would that be considered Blasphemous?

Just a minor point - the person who held that placard was arrested and charged. FYI as you are Australian, the following from a Uni of Melbourne study, list of senior Islamic leaders who have spoken out against terrorism and specifcally state it is against the tennants of Islam is at:

http://www.nceis.unimelb.edu.au/about/projects/national_imams_consultative_forum/fatwa_and_rulings_against_terrorism_in_islam

Edited May 24, 2013 by simple1

[winstonc]

you dont see them going mad in america,,,why,,,because they wouldnt put up with this crap,,,,,,britain is a liberal pussy state,,,what about banning all religons,,problem solved,,i dont understand,if people hate the west why live there,,,we know the answer dont we,,,

[geriatrickid]

One of the suspects was a follower of the hate-preaching cleric named Anjem Choudary. This chap has been accused of inspiring other outbreaks of terror in Britain. It is well and nice for some in the Muslim community to tut tut and to offer their empty platitudes, but no one has taken a stand against the preachings of Imams like Choudary. There is not one statement from all of these muslim community representatives about the community's responsibility to speak out against the likes of Choudary.

Here is the Imam justifying the murder and refusing to condemn it. (see 2.40) Sadly, many of his views have been parroted by some people on this thread.

It is an incredibly sad event that a man, who volunteered to serve his country, was savagely murdered on the street by fellow countrymen who have benefited from the deceased's service. I find it vulgar and offensive that anyone would seek to offer excuses for such a profane and violent act. Anyone with a sense of decency will see the actions for what they were. A ruthless, barbaric act of terror.

Edited May 24, 2013 by geriatrickid

[DoctorG]

all religions are crazy, but some are crazier than others

[JDGRUEN]

There is a considerable difference between a mass murderer who happens to have a Christian, Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu background killing people for various and sundry - often personal psychological reasons and a mass murderer or indiscriminate murderer who performs his heinous act in the name of his religion - yelling 'Allahu Akbar' all the while chopping the young soldier's head off with a meat cleaver. It is called MOTIVE ... and the motive for Islamic Jihadies is domination of the infidel and /or revenge for insults against Islam - done world-wide.

Except for the blind that refuse to see - there is a world-wide Islamic Jihadist Movement and has been for many decades - even before the slaughter of Israeli athletes by Arab commandos at the Munich Olympics in the 1970's. The motive was the same then and is the same now whether in England, Spain, India, Bali, Africa, Southern Thailand, or in Boston, USA. There is no comparison to any other religion of modernity - none. Islam has not evolved in 700 years or more ... And we are suppose to tolerate the brutal acts of people STUCK in the age of the Crusades. I think not.

somebody who uses "700 years" in context with "Islam evolving" is hardly qualified to make any judgment on the faith of 1.6 billion. that also applies to "jihadists Munich olympics".

Jihadist mentality goes back many decades - before it was commonly called by that name. The Arab murders at the Munich Olympics was an act of vengeful Jihad ... And if you think Islam has advanced - evolved or changed much in the 1000 years (I stand corrected) since the Crusades --- that Islam has changed for the better - then you are welcome to live it in England or any other country that is tragically suicidal - a country soon to be dominated by Islam - all facilitated by the government's toleration of it and by the acquiescence of the English citizens.