Phuket Mob Violently Bounces Aussies From Kangaroo Bar

[EyesWideOpen]

I don't know if they 'went to help' as such, but may have tried to stop them (ie Friends of the American that got ashtrayed/injured). I'd say there is something missing here, which minimises the fact that they were beaten senseless by a mob (and who was actually involved in this), I don't doubt that they actually started it though. They fit the exact MO of the type who wouldn't like to be denied/pushed around when they are drunk (seen plenty of them in Melbourne), and their first time here, I'm sure they weren't going to let someone other Thai/American etc, do it either, like most of us on here know that any Thai will jump in if their 'own' is inovolved in a fight (especially around these bar areas).

They probably did deserve it, but it was way too excessive, however, hopefully they learnt their lesson.

I suppose that's one huge difference between Thailand and Australia. You can't "deserve" a bashing in Australia. Assault is assault no matter who's doing the assaulting. There are courts to decide punishment and it doesn't involve breaking legs or maiming faces.

There's no way those two slightly built drunken young Aussies were a real threat to anyone.

This is an uncivilized Thai gang/mob assault on a couple of drunk Aussie tourists. The whole story is nonsense aimed at covering this up. The whole story is dedicated to putting 100% of the blame on the Aussie tourists and save their collective face.

The rest of the thread has been an excuse for a multitude of pin-heads to let fly with their anti-Aussie and anti-tattoo sentiments. That's really pathetic based on this ridiculous, poorly written report.

We are not in Australia , we are actually in Thailand. And if you were to keep up with Thai news, you would know that in fact street justice is handed out here on a fairly regular basis. Regarding people letting fly with sort of anti drunken Aussies comments, I find it fascinating that a lot of these comments are from fellow Australians.

Regarding what actually happened, none of us has any concrete idea. Something happened, and then there was a fight. Were these guys attacking patrons in the bar? Who knows...Were they quietly minding their business, and were suddenly attacked by a mob? Possible but unlikely. I will assume that in the next few days more information will come out, and then posters can feel either embarrassment or vindication.

[tropo]

We are not in Australia , we are actually in Thailand. And if you were to keep up with Thai news, you would know that in fact street justice is handed out here on a fairly regular basis.

Your actual location is irrelevant to my post. Many readers here don't live in Thailand.

You call it street justice, do you? It's more than that. It's deadly assault in many cases. It's not justice, but the release of pent up hatred. This is when Thailand can become a very dangerous place to live. It's better to understand what it is rather than make excuses for it.

[HaleySabai]

Australians!

.....Ooi !!

[aussieexpat1068]

Interesting story. Made so by the fact that the "mob" was not clearly defined.... Would be curious to know if it was other farang patrons at the bar, or local Thai guys. Looks like they would have pissed off both groups, with the ashtray attack on the American and slapping the bar girl. Impressive to break the guy's leg in a street fight, must have used some furniture on him. And after seeing the photos, it seems to once again solidify the link between excessive tattoos and mindless drunken violence. Regarding their injuries, som nam na !!!!!!!!!

After reading some of the posts on this topic I have to agree that being an aussie expat living in Thailand, I am sad to see a couple of aussie being total fools. After all a common recipe for an idiot is just simply to add alcohol. Culturally aussie's sometimes are guilty of being alcohol bingers and thus for some the end result is to behave poorly.They got a baptism of fire for their actions all be it Thai style. Welcome to Thailand boys. Som num naa. PS. Whats being tattooed got to do with anything?? Maybe I need to add a new recipe ingredient of ignorance to create an idiot. Thailand's full of drunks. From what I seen over the years, a lot of them don't speak English or if they did I do recall a few American accents. Collectively leaving the rest of the world out of it and solely blaming Aussies and Brits is just simply beyond being arrogant.

[hawker9000]

We are not in Australia , we are actually in Thailand. And if you were to keep up with Thai news, you would know that in fact street justice is handed out here on a fairly regular basis.

Your actual location is irrelevant to my post. Many readers here don't live in Thailand.

You call it street justice, do you? It's more than that. It's deadly assault in many cases. It's not justice, but the release of pent up hatred. This is when Thailand can become a very dangerous place to live. It's better to understand what it is rather than make excuses for it.

Deadly assault? Please. Kind o' making too big a thing out of it IMO. A couple of guys ('doesn't really matter to me where they might be from, what they were wearing, how much they'd been drinking, favorite color, or whether or not they like sushi...) get belligerant on the entertainment street in Phuket and receive their just deserts. Those in control of themselves (i.e., the overwhelming majority of people there) had to put up with, and were placed at risk by, these fools and were ultimately relieved of that burden. So, in THIS case, no harm no foul. But the seemingly growing propensity for violence in Thailand (& scams & various injustices that lead to violence in so many cases) is worrisome. The question is - is this instance part of the growing Thai trend that tourists (the quality kind) should be concerned about, or just something that miscreants should figure can happen to them anywhere?

Edited May 24, 2013 by hawker9000

[tropo]

We are not in Australia , we are actually in Thailand. And if you were to keep up with Thai news, you would know that in fact street justice is handed out here on a fairly regular basis.

Your actual location is irrelevant to my post. Many readers here don't live in Thailand.

You call it street justice, do you? It's more than that. It's deadly assault in many cases. It's not justice, but the release of pent up hatred. This is when Thailand can become a very dangerous place to live. It's better to understand what it is rather than make excuses for it.

Deadly assault? Please. Kind o' making too big a thing out of it IMO.

I wasn't referring to this single incident specifically. I've seen, for example, Thais (security?) kicking the shit out of Farang in Walking Street... a whole group of them. When you kick people in the head it is considered deadly assault.

Now you're suggesting that breaking a person's leg in this assault is not a big deal. I don't know what part of his leg was broken, but do you realise that a broken femur can be a very serious, life threatening injury? If the main artery is severed a person can die from internal bleeding. I know a thing or two about this as it happened to me once. There was so much internal bleeding my leg had to remain in traction for a week before they could operate.

Serious skull fractures are also likely if a person's head is being battered, as can be seen on one of the Aussie victims. This can also result in death.

Yes, deadly force was applied in this incident. When a mob of angry people attack, it is a very serious, deadly situation.

Edited May 24, 2013 by tropo

[F4UCorsair]

It's an ill wind that blows no good, and Phuket and Pattaya may be taking some of the idiots who previously went to Bali? That can only be a good thing.

Kilgore Trout, i think playing the 'country founded on criminals' (I left the 'convicted' out because they are convicted if criminals) card is a bit silly after 230 years, is a cliche that's had its time, and does anyone who uses it no credit, and many wear the mantle with pride. I wish I was descended from a bush ranger, because I'd be playing it for whatever I could get from it.

skorchio, post # 234, I agree, and whilst I'm embarrassed by the antics of some Australians in holiday places, I'm equally embarrassed by the antics of many other nationalities, not because I'm Australian, but because of the immature behavior.

If I had to single out a nationality for bad behavior, it would be the Brits, but that doesn't make them all bad, and the poms do like a beer and good time. It's only a few who go overboard, but as for giving the entire country and people a bad name? Nah, that's just a silly proposition.

Edited May 24, 2013 by F4UCorsair

[SeaVisionBurma]

A number of bickering posts between certain members have been removed.

Stay on topic and refrain from petty bickering and personal attacks.

[Andre0720]

Another couple of <deleted> giving us all a bad name, someone should invent an idiot detector to stop these fools leaving Oz

I'm quite sure the problem is with every nationality, when they left Oz I am sure they were very nice people, the drink affects people in different ways! Hope they realize what they did and realize there life could have been at risk!!

''I'm quite sure the problem is with every nationality''

Chinese?

[Andre0720]

IMO this is a one sided article and I can't see how you can know with much certainty they deserved the beating.

Drunk holiday makers on Bangla Rd - which aren't?

Used ashtray as weapon - Why? What was the lead up? I don't know. Do you know?

Bar girl slapped. Why? Just slapped a random girl? Of course not. What did she do and why isn't that reported?

Did the journalist ask for their side?

If I was placing bets I'd side against them but I'm far from knowing.

Based on what is known from the report, it seems that you are far too forgiving of these animals.

Is there ever any justification for a tourist to slap a bar girl?

Yes, definitely, I think there can be.

What do you think? Can you not think of a circumstance which would justify the slapping of a bargirl?

Yes I can.

Took everything out of me to refrain from doing so.

But I did refrain.

Because slapping anyone was not the right thing to do..

[attento]

Yet another incident where the culprits should be on the first plane home. Thai law is intransigent on other issues, how about supporting the Tourist industry and drawing the line. When Thailand earns a reputation, not as a magnet for drunks and thugs, but as a resort of choice for the civilised tourist, then the Tourist industry will have much to promote.

Amazing.....I read daily about the thugs in Taxis and tuk-tuks in Phuket and you talk about civilised tourists..or civilised anything? good luck!!

Recently there was an article here about some British thug who got beaten up in Pattaya....similar circumstances...abusing bar girls...pool balls thrown as I recall. All the bleeding hearts came out and said how the Thais fight like a pack of soi dogs etc etc. Jesus!!!

You are so right in pointing out that the veneer of civilisation is extremely thin in places, both in some tourists and some indigenes. Thailand's reputation would not be harmed by repatriating violent tourists, PDQ. (BTW, what's Jesus got to do with it ?)

[PaullyW]

Another couple of <deleted> giving us all a bad name, someone should invent an idiot detector to stop these fools leaving Oz

I'm quite sure the problem is with every nationality, when they left Oz I am sure they were very nice people, the drink affects people in different ways! Hope they realize what they did and realize there life could have been at risk!!

''I'm quite sure the problem is with every nationality''

Chinese?

Uh, excuse me, perhaps a better example - Japanese?? Koreans? Singaporeans? Malays? Indonesians? Any nationality of Africans? Any nationalities of Central or South Americans? No, not really. Certain nationalities seem to be interestingly overrepresented in these things. I attribute it to cultural arrogance -- aggression and of course drink.

Edited May 25, 2013 by PaullyW

[Payboy]

Strange, I've been drinking alcohol for over 50 years and never felt the need to go about beaning people with ashtrays! Am I not drinking enough?

[harrycallahan]

IMO this is a one sided article and I can't see how you can know with much certainty they deserved the beating.

Drunk holiday makers on Bangla Rd - which aren't?

Used ashtray as weapon - Why? What was the lead up? I don't know. Do you know?

Bar girl slapped. Why? Just slapped a random girl? Of course not. What did she do and why isn't that reported?

Did the journalist ask for their side?

If I was placing bets I'd side against them but I'm far from knowing.

Based on what is known from the report, it seems that you are far too forgiving of these animals.

Is there ever any justification for a tourist to slap a bar girl?

Yes, definitely, I think there can be.

What do you think? Can you not think of a circumstance which would justify the slapping of a bargirl?

No! unless I was a woman!

So when they crack a bottle across your face you won't retaliate with force because of the gender gap. Wait until you find out that there aren't soft female bottles.

[Shot]

Strange, I've been drinking alcohol for over 50 years and never felt the need to go about beaning people with ashtrays! Am I not drinking enough?

After reading 256 comments, I have scientifically determined it’s a mix of alcohol and tattoos. What the proper ratio is, has yet to be determined.

[sandhurstmolonski]

Keep yourself nice , avoid intoxication ..and MOST of the time Trouble will avoid you .

Its easy to find trouble in Bangla , but its also quite easy to avoid it .

[SantiSuk]

Make em swim back home.

[BradinAsia]

IMO this is a one sided article and I can't see how you can know with much certainty they deserved the beating.

Drunk holiday makers on Bangla Rd - which aren't?

Used ashtray as weapon - Why? What was the lead up? I don't know. Do you know?

Bar girl slapped. Why? Just slapped a random girl? Of course not. What did she do and why isn't that reported?

Did the journalist ask for their side?

If I was placing bets I'd side against them but I'm far from knowing.

Based on what is known from the report, it seems that you are far too forgiving of these animals.

Is there ever any justification for a tourist to slap a bar girl?

Yes, definitely, I think there can be.

What do you think? Can you not think of a circumstance which would justify the slapping of a bargirl?

Where I come from a real man does not slap ladies or children.

Do do so makes a wannabe man a cowardly bully...

[hawker9000]

We are not in Australia , we are actually in Thailand. And if you were to keep up with Thai news, you would know that in fact street justice is handed out here on a fairly regular basis.

Your actual location is irrelevant to my post. Many readers here don't live in Thailand.

You call it street justice, do you? It's more than that. It's deadly assault in many cases. It's not justice, but the release of pent up hatred. This is when Thailand can become a very dangerous place to live. It's better to understand what it is rather than make excuses for it.

Deadly assault? Please. Kind o' making too big a thing out of it IMO.

I wasn't referring to this single incident specifically. I've seen, for example, Thais (security?) kicking the shit out of Farang in Walking Street... a whole group of them. When you kick people in the head it is considered deadly assault.

Now you're suggesting that breaking a person's leg in this assault is not a big deal. I don't know what part of his leg was broken, but do you realise that a broken femur can be a very serious, life threatening injury? If the main artery is severed a person can die from internal bleeding. I know a thing or two about this as it happened to me once. There was so much internal bleeding my leg had to remain in traction for a week before they could operate.

Serious skull fractures are also likely if a person's head is being battered, as can be seen on one of the Aussie victims. This can also result in death.

Yes, deadly force was applied in this incident. When a mob of angry people attack, it is a very serious, deadly situation.

Then I guess people should be banned from riding bikes, playing soccer, skiing, and any number of other activities. Reality has definitely taken a walk off the pier here. People break legs (& arms) everyday. 'Bump their heads, too. Accidents happen. And if this clown had died because the broken leg happened to sever an artery, I'd actually consider it more an "accident" than an intentionally inflicted mortal wound, and that's even though someone might've actually been trying to break the leg. Unnecessary roughness? Probably. But whatever the degree or nature of intent involved, they brought it upon themselves. I've spent my share of time (& money) on that soi (tho' not in recent years), not to mention a few others, and never once precipitated any fights or been injured in any way (well, maybe a "morning after" or two...). 'Broken my share of bones in earlier years as well, and I don't think the doctor involved ever classified my injuries as life-threatening. I think the crowd, the man-in-the street, innocent passers-by & bar patrons, have more to fear, and are put at greater risk by, buffoons like this, than by get-even gangs infuriated by the offensive behavior and who you just gotta' know are going to make up their minds to do something about it. I wouldn't egg on such a gang to be sure; in fact, I'd steer well clear of the entire affair. But I just can't seem to dredge up any sympathy for these two, or great concern over the manner in which they were escorted back onto the street. Moreover, I'd say what happened to them was entirely predictable. Like they say, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime... And as you yourself are pointing out, it actually could've been worse!

Edited May 25, 2013 by hawker9000

[BradinAsia]

We are not in Australia , we are actually in Thailand. And if you were to keep up with Thai news, you would know that in fact street justice is handed out here on a fairly regular basis.

Your actual location is irrelevant to my post. Many readers here don't live in Thailand.

You call it street justice, do you? It's more than that. It's deadly assault in many cases. It's not justice, but the release of pent up hatred. This is when Thailand can become a very dangerous place to live. It's better to understand what it is rather than make excuses for it.

Deadly assault? Please. Kind o' making too big a thing out of it IMO.

I wasn't referring to this single incident specifically. I've seen, for example, Thais (security?) kicking the shit out of Farang in Walking Street... a whole group of them. When you kick people in the head it is considered deadly assault.

Now you're suggesting that breaking a person's leg in this assault is not a big deal. I don't know what part of his leg was broken, but do you realise that a broken femur can be a very serious, life threatening injury? If the main artery is severed a person can die from internal bleeding. I know a thing or two about this as it happened to me once. There was so much internal bleeding my leg had to remain in traction for a week before they could operate.

Serious skull fractures are also likely if a person's head is being battered, as can be seen on one of the Aussie victims. This can also result in death.

Yes, deadly force was applied in this incident. When a mob of angry people attack, it is a very serious, deadly situation.

You seem to be overlooking a few things.

1. The drunken scumbags were the perpetrators here.

2. The drunken scumbags got exactly what they deserved.

3. Defending the drunken scumbags is a bit ludicrous, mate.

[BradinAsia]

@Harry...

So when they crack a bottle across your face you won't retaliate with force because of the gender gap. Wait until you find out that there aren't soft female bottles.

If you hang out in places where a lady is apt to crack a bottle across your face, I would suggest it's time for a serious reevaluation of your quality of life.

[aechzen]

australian low brows ,, i think they can only speak 1 languages !!! they lucky, they no die in thailand , but may next time

Edited May 25, 2013 by aechzen

[eezergood]

I am truly amazed by the number of responses to this thread

[aechzen]

I am truly amazed by the number of responses to this thread

its satureday everybody is at home hahahahahahah

[mikemac]

"australian low brows ,, i think they can only speak 1 languages !!! they lucky, they no die in thailand , but may next time" .......<deleted> ! Even your average drunken, tattooed, ashtray wielding yobbo Australian can write better English than that, even if he can only speak 1 language(s)

[harrycallahan]

@Harry...

So when they crack a bottle across your face you won't retaliate with force because of the gender gap. Wait until you find out that there aren't soft female bottles.

If you hang out in places where a lady is apt to crack a bottle across your face, I would suggest it's time for a serious reevaluation of your quality of life.

The present discussion concerns bars where prostitutes can be purchased and where violent altercations are a relatively frequent occurrence. Ethical guidelines you bring to the debate need to be relevant to that environment.

How I might spend my time is irrelevant.

[mikemac]

Just found this one - "90% of every common Asian who ever worked or visited Australia, will most probably let you now that they were discriminated whilst being there"..... Interesting, I would not mind betting that every person, that is 100% of the people who visited Thailand were discriminated against, and the majority did not even know it was happening to them. I read recently that Thailand is one of the more racist countries in the world, a lot higher on the list than Australia or the UK. So, conimex, what is your point ? If you are trying to convince us that Australians are more racist than Thais then you are wasting your time.

[aechzen]

"australian low brows ,, i think they can only speak 1 languages !!! they lucky, they no die in thailand , but may next time" .......<deleted> ! Even your average drunken, tattooed, ashtray wielding yobbo Australian can write better English than that, even if he can only speak 1 language(s)

yes english australian farmer english

[LivinginKata]

yet another off topic post removed. Please stay with this news topic and not wander off onto other stories.

[BradinAsia]

@Harry...

So when they crack a bottle across your face you won't retaliate with force because of the gender gap. Wait until you find out that there aren't soft female bottles.

If you hang out in places where a lady is apt to crack a bottle across your face, I would suggest it's time for a serious reevaluation of your quality of life.

The present discussion concerns bars where prostitutes can be purchased and where violent altercations are a relatively frequent occurrence. Ethical guidelines you bring to the debate need to be relevant to that environment.

How I might spend my time is irrelevant.

May be irrelevant to this discussion, but not irrelevant to your mentality. Also, there is nothing in the OP about a bargirl smashing a bottle across anybody's face. Who died and appointed you the policeman of this discussion... get a life, mate.