Ecuador 'analysing' Snowden asylum request: FM

[lannarebirth]

Off-topic posts deleted.

The topic is about Snowden's asylum requests.

I can appreciate and accept that, but may I ask a question? Of the thousands of news articles published worldwide concerning the underlying allegations of American abuse of power, both domestic and foreign, couldn't maybe just one be posted in the News Forum, so that we may comment on that? Thanks.

[mania]

This is being reported in the Thailand live updates:

Snowden 'seeks asylum in Russia'

US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden has applied to Russia for political asylum, Russian officials say

/BBC

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/650595-thailand-live-tuesday-2-jul-2013/?p=6567432

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/01/19234546-snowden-applies-for-political-asylum-in-russia-rants-against-obama-admin

[keemapoot]

Apart from all the hand-wringing on this forum about erosion of inalienable rights, here's what this game is really all about on a global level:

Putin denied that the Russian special services were debriefing Snowden. “I would prefer not to deal with such matters because it’s like shearing a piglet -- there’s a lot of squealing and not much wool,” Putin said.

Putin’s professional skill at putting up smoke screens has turned the Snowden situation into a traditional Cold War-style spy scandal, complete with denials that the Russian special services have even talked to him. Yet indications are that Putin’s propaganda machine will still try to use Snowden as a rights champion. Pro-Putin parliament deputy Alexander Sidyakin has even suggested that Snowden be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-01/edward-snowden-loses-patriot-games-to-putin.html?cmpid=yhoo

Post Cold-war Spy Games, indeed....

[midas]

Snowden has allegedly sent out 15 requests to countries for asylum. It's not clear yet which countries they are.

The requests were made to a number of countries including the Republic of Austria, the Plurinational State of Bolivia, the Federative Republic of Brazil, the People’s Republic of China, the Republic of Cuba, the Republic of Finland, the French Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, the Republic of India, the Italian Republic, the Republic of Ireland, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, the Republic of Nicaragua, the Kingdom of Norway, the Republic of Poland, the Russian Federation, the Kingdom of Spain, the Swiss Confederation and the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.

The requests join or update others previously made including to the Republic of Ecuador and the Republic of Iceland.

http://wikileaks.org/Edward-Snowden-submits-asylum.html

Edited July 2, 2013 by midas

[Scott]

My apologies for deleting posts, but you cannot reference a post number and respond to it. Once posts are deleted the numbering sequence changes and this means you may be responding to a different post.

Posters are not obligated to reply to anyone's posts, if they chose not to.

[SinglePot]

Snowden has allegedly sent out 15 requests to countries for asylum. It's not clear yet which countries they are.

The requests were made to a number of countries including the Republic of Austria, the Plurinational State of Bolivia, the Federative Republic of Brazil, the People’s Republic of China, the Republic of Cuba, the Republic of Finland, the French Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, the Republic of India, the Italian Republic, the Republic of Ireland, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, the Republic of Nicaragua, the Kingdom of Norway, the Republic of Poland, the Russian Federation, the Kingdom of Spain, the Swiss Confederation and the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.

The requests join or update others previously made including to the Republic of Ecuador and the Republic of Iceland.

http://wikileaks.org/Edward-Snowden-submits-asylum.html

Regret I can't seem to access wikileaks in Thailand.

Clicking on the link takes me to http://w3.mict.go.th/

[Jingthing]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-01/edward-snowden-loses-patriot-games-to-putin.html?cmpid=yhoo

Post Cold-war Spy Games, indeed....

As Snowden is playing right into Putin's hand the perception of him as a traitor among Americans is only going to grow. But I think something like arrogant political naif is closer to the truth. Talking here about his being used as a propaganda circus tool rather than the leaking action. They are separate things worthy of being judged separately.

Edited July 2, 2013 by Jingthing

[NeverSure]

Snowden has allegedly sent out 15 requests to countries for asylum. It's not clear yet which countries they are.

The requests were made to a number of countries including the Republic of Austria, the Plurinational State of Bolivia, the Federative Republic of Brazil, the People’s Republic of China, the Republic of Cuba, the Republic of Finland, the French Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, the Republic of India, the Italian Republic, the Republic of Ireland, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, the Republic of Nicaragua, the Kingdom of Norway, the Republic of Poland, the Russian Federation, the Kingdom of Spain, the Swiss Confederation and the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.

The requests join or update others previously made including to the Republic of Ecuador and the Republic of Iceland.

http://wikileaks.org/Edward-Snowden-submits-asylum.html

Regret I can't seem to access wikileaks in Thailand.

Clicking on the link takes me to http://w3.mict.go.th/

The relevant info is in the quote. It's a very short article.

[midas]

Snowden has allegedly sent out 15 requests to countries for asylum. It's not clear yet which countries they are.

The requests were made to a number of countries including the Republic of Austria, the Plurinational State of Bolivia, the Federative Republic of Brazil, the People’s Republic of China, the Republic of Cuba, the Republic of Finland, the French Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, the Republic of India, the Italian Republic, the Republic of Ireland, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, the Republic of Nicaragua, the Kingdom of Norway, the Republic of Poland, the Russian Federation, the Kingdom of Spain, the Swiss Confederation and the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.

The requests join or update others previously made including to the Republic of Ecuador and the Republic of Iceland.

http://wikileaks.org/Edward-Snowden-submits-asylum.html

Regret I can't seem to access wikileaks in Thailand.

Clicking on the link takes me to http://w3.mict.go.th/

i am in Thailand and it opens for me

[mania]

i am in Thailand and it opens for me

+1

[SinglePot]

i am in Thailand and it opens for me

+1

Maybe my iPad settings make it look like I'm still in Beijing. When I go on the bbc uk site I see a small Chinese flag down the bottom left corner.

[Publicus]

Via Wikileaks:

Statement from Edward Snowden in Moscow

One week ago I left Hong Kong after it became clear that my freedom and safety were under threat for revealing the truth. My continued liberty has been owed to the efforts of friends new and old, family, and others who I have never met and probably never will. I trusted them with my life and they returned that trust with a faith in me for which I will always be thankful.

On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit any diplomatic "wheeling and dealing" over my case. Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions.

This kind of deception from a world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile. These are the old, bad tools of political aggression. Their purpose is to frighten, not me, but those who would come after me.

For decades the United States of America have been one of the strongest defenders of the human right to seek asylum. Sadly, this right, laid out and voted for by the U.S. in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is now being rejected by the current government of my country. The Obama administration has now adopted the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon. Although I am convicted of nothing, it has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person. Without any judicial order, the administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A right that belongs to everybody. The right to seek asylum.

In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.

I am unbowed in my convictions and impressed at the efforts taken by so many.

Edward Joseph Snowden

Monday 1st July 2013

Now Snowden is happy to be a propaganda tool in Putin's arsenal of evil.

A Lot Of People Are Wondering Whether Edward Snowden Actually Wrote His Scathing Statement

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-wikileaks-statement-did-he-write-it-2013-7#ixzz2Xr61G1jp

The language style, its grammar and mechanics in particular, are written European style, to include the system of presenting dates.

Slate's Farhad Manjoo first wondered if National Security Agency leak source Edward Snowden actually wrote the statement released by Wikileaks Monday night, pointing to the unusual use of the plural "have been" to refer to the United States of America. The letter states: "For decades the United States of America have been one of ....."

This was quickly changed to: "For decades the United States of America has been one of ......"

WikiLeaks has now edited that portion of the letter, changing it to the more common, singular "has been" to refer to the U.S.

Another odd element in the letter is Snowden's European-style marking of the date — "Monday 1st July 2013," instead of "Monday, July 1st" or "Monday, July 1, 2013." Wikileaks now has also edited the date. Both corrections were made in a second copy released to circulation.

That Snowden did not write the "letter" is embarrassingly obvious. That Snowden is allowing himself to be used in this way by a foreign power is criminal.

That the letter was written instead by Wikileaks, the Russian government and secret services reflects pathetically on each and all of them. The letter is written and presented in a loose and sloppy amateur fashion by awkward klutzes who fool no one but themselves.

Bozos.

People who read the first letter style to think and believe it is Edward Snowden writing miss the boat. I notice the posting above contains the first letter, not the corrected second version later distributed by Wikileaks. Some couple of posters got caught out on this one too. We might call it the reverse touch.

Edited July 2, 2013 by Publicus

[midas]

Via Wikileaks:

Statement from Edward Snowden in Moscow

One week ago I left Hong Kong after it became clear that my freedom and safety were under threat for revealing the truth. My continued liberty has been owed to the efforts of friends new and old, family, and others who I have never met and probably never will. I trusted them with my life and they returned that trust with a faith in me for which I will always be thankful.

On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit any diplomatic "wheeling and dealing" over my case. Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions.

This kind of deception from a world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile. These are the old, bad tools of political aggression. Their purpose is to frighten, not me, but those who would come after me.

For decades the United States of America have been one of the strongest defenders of the human right to seek asylum. Sadly, this right, laid out and voted for by the U.S. in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is now being rejected by the current government of my country. The Obama administration has now adopted the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon. Although I am convicted of nothing, it has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person. Without any judicial order, the administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A right that belongs to everybody. The right to seek asylum.

In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.

I am unbowed in my convictions and impressed at the efforts taken by so many.

Edward Joseph Snowden

Monday 1st July 2013

Now Snowden is happy to be a propaganda tool in Putin's arsenal of evil.

A Lot Of People Are Wondering Whether Edward Snowden Actually Wrote His Scathing Statement

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-wikileaks-statement-did-he-write-it-2013-7#ixzz2Xr61G1jp

The language style, its grammar and mechanics in particular, are written European style, to include the system of presenting dates.

Slate's Farhad Manjoo first wondered if National Security Agency leak source Edward Snowden actually wrote the statement released by Wikileaks Monday night, pointing to the unusual use of the plural "have been" to refer to the United States of America. The letter states: "For decades the United States of America have been one of ....."

This was quickly changed to: "For decades the United States of America has been one of ......"

WikiLeaks has now edited that portion of the letter, changing it to the more common, singular "has been" to refer to the U.S.

Another odd element in the letter is Snowden's European-style marking of the date — "Monday 1st July 2013," instead of "Monday, July 1st" or "Monday, July 1, 2013." Wikileaks now has also edited the date. Both corrections were made in a second copy released to circulation.

That Snowden did not write the "letter" is embarrassingly obvious. That Snowden is allowing himself to be used in this way by a foreign power is criminal.

That the letter was written instead by Wikileaks, the Russian government and secret services reflects pathetically on each and all of them. The letter is written and presented in a loose and sloppy amateur fashion by awkward klutzes who fool no one but themselves.

Bozos.

People who read the first letter style to think and believe it is Edward Snowden writing miss the boat. I notice the posting above contains the first letter, not the corrected second version later distributed by Wikileaks. Somebody got caught out on this one too. We might call it the reverse touch.

" That the letter was written instead by Wikileaks, the Russian government and secret services reflects pathetically on each and all of them "

sounds like a conspiracy theory to me

[SinglePot]

Meanwhile Pres Correa of Ecuador continues to have reservations about Assange and Snowden.

Looks like he really appreciated the personal telephone call from Biden.

Anybody know the latest dialogue between the infidel US government and Mr Putin?

[Publicus]

Snowden has allegedly sent out 15 requests to countries for asylum. It's not clear yet which countries they are.

.

http://wikileaks.org/Edward-Snowden-submits-asylum.html

Regret I can't seem to access wikileaks in Thailand.

Clicking on the link takes me to http://w3.mict.go.th/

i am in Thailand and it opens for me

It's obvious you have that certain touch - even if it is a reverse touch..

Edited July 2, 2013 by Publicus

[lannarebirth]

Apart from all the hand-wringing on this forum about erosion of inalienable rights, here's what this game is really all about on a global level:

Putin denied that the Russian special services were debriefing Snowden. “I would prefer not to deal with such matters because it’s like shearing a piglet -- there’s a lot of squealing and not much wool,” Putin said.

Putin’s professional skill at putting up smoke screens has turned the Snowden situation into a traditional Cold War-style spy scandal, complete with denials that the Russian special services have even talked to him. Yet indications are that Putin’s propaganda machine will still try to use Snowden as a rights champion. Pro-Putin parliament deputy Alexander Sidyakin has even suggested that Snowden be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-01/edward-snowden-loses-patriot-games-to-putin.html?cmpid=yhoo

Post Cold-war Spy Games, indeed....

You know, I was reading your post and I was thinking " blah, blah, blah, bullshit, blah, blah, blah" and then that Nobel Peace Prize thing came up. Then I got to thinking, who might deserve a Nobel Peace Prize more, assuming either did, a war mongering president with the blood of 10's of thousands of people who were no threat to his country, on his hands, or some computer geek that reminded Americans of the values their country was founded on. Namely, avoiding foreign intrigues and war. I'm voting for the kid.

[SinglePot]

I'd have to admit. I did get ushered out of China rather suddenly.

[Jingthing]

You know, I was reading your post and I was thinking " blah, blah, blah, bullshit, blah, blah, blah" and then that Nobel Peace Prize thing came up. Then I got to thinking, who might deserve a Nobel Peace Prize more, assuming either did, a war mongering president with the blood of 10's of thousands of people who were no threat to his country, on his hands, or some computer geek that reminded Americans of the values their country was founded on. Namely, avoiding foreign intrigues and war. I'm voting for the kid.

Our founding fathers executed traitors ... You mean those values?

[wealth]

i am in Thailand and it opens for me

+1

Maybe my iPad settings make it look like I'm still in Beijing. When I go on the bbc uk site I see a small Chinese flag down the bottom left corner.

clear your browser cache. I think it's stored in the memory.

[midas]

You know, I was reading your post and I was thinking " blah, blah, blah, bullshit, blah, blah, blah" and then that Nobel Peace Prize thing came up. Then I got to thinking, who might deserve a Nobel Peace Prize more, assuming either did, a war mongering president with the blood of 10's of thousands of people who were no threat to his country, on his hands, or some computer geek that reminded Americans of the values their country was founded on. Namely, avoiding foreign intrigues and war. I'm voting for the kid.

Our founding fathers executed traitors ... You mean those values?

One in three Americans now believes that former security contractor, Edward Snowden, is a patriot and should not be prosecuted, according to a Reuters poll published on Wednesday.

While a majority of the 645 voters are still undecided on Snowden’s status, only 23 percent perceive him as a traitor to the United States.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/poll-more-americans-see-snowden-patriot-traitor

[SinglePot]

if there were a major act of terrorism against the US due to the neutering effect on counter terrorism, the Nobel Peace Prize would be look very inappropriate.

[Credo]

Sure give him the Peace Prize. Best of luck getting out of where he is and picking it up.

[Publicus]

Apart from all the hand-wringing on this forum about erosion of inalienable rights, here's what this game is really all about on a global level:

Putin denied that the Russian special services were debriefing Snowden. “I would prefer not to deal with such matters because it’s like shearing a piglet -- there’s a lot of squealing and not much wool,” Putin said.

Putin’s professional skill at putting up smoke screens has turned the Snowden situation into a traditional Cold War-style spy scandal, complete with denials that the Russian special services have even talked to him. Yet indications are that Putin’s propaganda machine will still try to use Snowden as a rights champion. Pro-Putin parliament deputy Alexander Sidyakin has even suggested that Snowden be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-01/edward-snowden-loses-patriot-games-to-putin.html?cmpid=yhoo

Post Cold-war Spy Games, indeed....

You know, I was reading your post and I was thinking " blah, blah, blah, bullshit, blah, blah, blah" and then that Nobel Peace Prize thing came up. Then I got to thinking, who might deserve a Nobel Peace Prize more, assuming either did, a war mongering president with the blood of 10's of thousands of people who were no threat to his country, on his hands, or some computer geek that reminded Americans of the values their country was founded on. Namely, avoiding foreign intrigues and war. I'm voting for the kid.

So now we have a US president with the "blood of 10's of thousands" of people "on his hands."

The thread is again going nowhere fast. One could say going to the dogs.

[SinglePot]

You know, I was reading your post and I was thinking " blah, blah, blah, bullshit, blah, blah, blah" and then that Nobel Peace Prize thing came up. Then I got to thinking, who might deserve a Nobel Peace Prize more, assuming either did, a war mongering president with the blood of 10's of thousands of people who were no threat to his country, on his hands, or some computer geek that reminded Americans of the values their country was founded on. Namely, avoiding foreign intrigues and war. I'm voting for the kid.

Our founding fathers executed traitors ... You mean those values?

One in three Americans now believes that former security contractor, Edward Snowden, is a patriot and should not be prosecuted, according to a Reuters poll published on Wednesday.

While a majority of the 645 voters are still undecided on Snowden’s status, only 23 percent perceive him as a traitor to the United States.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/poll-more-americans-see-snowden-patriot-traitor

there was no Internet and no social media in the days of our forefathers.

power to the people's republic

[Exsexyman]

Via Wikileaks:

Statement from Edward Snowden in Moscow

One week ago I left Hong Kong after it became clear that my freedom and safety were under threat for revealing the truth. My continued liberty has been owed to the efforts of friends new and old, family, and others who I have never met and probably never will. I trusted them with my life and they returned that trust with a faith in me for which I will always be thankful.

On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit any diplomatic "wheeling and dealing" over my case. Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions.

This kind of deception from a world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile. These are the old, bad tools of political aggression. Their purpose is to frighten, not me, but those who would come after me.

For decades the United States of America have been one of the strongest defenders of the human right to seek asylum. Sadly, this right, laid out and voted for by the U.S. in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is now being rejected by the current government of my country. The Obama administration has now adopted the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon. Although I am convicted of nothing, it has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person. Without any judicial order, the administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A right that belongs to everybody. The right to seek asylum.

In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.

I am unbowed in my convictions and impressed at the efforts taken by so many.

Edward Joseph Snowden

Monday 1st July 2013

So President Obama promises to do one thing and then promptly breaks that promise, so what else is new! In other breaking news, 'Bear discovered defecating in woods'!

[wealth]

Confirmed!!! Snowden applied for Asylum in Germany.

21 countries ...

Ecuador, Iceland, Austria, Bolivia, Brazil, China, Cuba, Finland, France, Germany, India, Italy, Ireland, The Netherlands, Nicaragua, Norway, Poland, Russia, Spain, Switzerland and Venezuela.

Good luck Snowden. You will get an option to choose ...

[Jingthing]

Confirmed!!! Snowden applied for Asylum in Germany.

21 countries ...

Ecuador, Iceland, Austria, Bolivia, Brazil, China, Cuba, Finland, France, Germany, India, Italy, Ireland, The Netherlands, Nicaragua, Norway, Poland, Russia, Spain, Switzerland and Venezuela.

Good luck Snowden. You will get an option to choose ...

That doesn't mean there is ANY chance Germany would grant it.

Clearly Russia is not Snowden's first choice. I reckon he pines for Quito. All those others, consider them like his "safety" schools.

Edited July 2, 2013 by Jingthing

[wealth]

Confirmed!!! Snowden applied for Asylum in Germany.

21 countries ...

Ecuador, Iceland, Austria, Bolivia, Brazil, China, Cuba, Finland, France, Germany, India, Italy, Ireland, The Netherlands, Nicaragua, Norway, Poland, Russia, Spain, Switzerland and Venezuela.

Good luck Snowden. You will get an option to choose ...

That doesn't mean there is ANY chance Germany would grant it.

It depends on the reaction of European countries. He could end up in Switzerland. - There's another famous whistle-blower from the CIA there already, most of you aren't aware. One who foiled an attack against the President in the Whitehouse by another CIA/NSA group.

Chances are getting better and better for Snowden ...

[Jingthing]

I thought Russia was pretty much a done deal already. If that's looking "better", he can keep it.

Edited July 2, 2013 by Jingthing

[wealth]

I thought Russia was pretty much a done deal already. If that's looking up, he can keep it.

nope, he couldn't continue his job for mankind there ...