im blacklisted in thailand and need help

[Maestro]

To make this topic easier to read I have removed a few more off-topic posts and the replies to them.

[luckizuchinni]

I would apply for a transit visa, explaining your situation. Not sure how they will consider this, as you must change airports and enter the country.

Personnaly I would change my travel plans so I don't have to use two different airports.

Yes i think i will do the latter and transit in KL or somewhere like that and when in manila it should be easy to arrange flights to cambo, nam, laos etc

Off topic but anyone know how much i should pay for a taxi to Angeles from Manila..? And how long is the ride..?

last time i was in Angeles i went direct to clark from BKK flying tiger, operated by seair who has the best looking air hostess iv ever seen in my life

they were wearing mini skirts

Manila to Angeles is about 3,000 pesos. You can take a taxi to Ermita, though, for 180 pesos, then take Fly the Bus to Angeles or Olongapo for 600 pesos. YOu can find them online.

Out of curiosity, what did you do to get banned, if you don't mind sharing?

[Dork]

That would be section 12.6:

6. Having been imprisoned by the judgement of the Thai Court ; or by a lawful injunction ; or by

the judgement of the Court of foreign country , except when the penalty is foe petty offense or negligence

or is provided for as an exception in the Ministerial Regulations.

A conviction in any country is reason for denying someone entry, besides some petty offenses, etc.

While it's true that the op would be disqualified from entry to Thailand by paragraph 6, I have my doubts that it is the reason he was denied entry after being returned from Australia. I say that because both Australia and New Zealand have very strict privacy laws which would prevent disclosure of a persons criminal record to another country without that persons prior written consent. I believe that the op would have had to sign such a consent when attempting to enter Australia and that is how Australian immigration became aware of the exact nature of his NZ convictions and was then the grounds upon which he was refused entry without a visa.

When the op was returned from Australia to Thailand, though Thai immigration were aware that he had been refused entry to Australia because the carrier was obliged to report that, Australian immigration could not disclose the exact reasons why (i.e. criminal convictions) to either the airline or Thai immigration unless the op gave his prior consent to the Australians which would seem unlikely.

Some links to Australian privacy legislation:

http://oaic.gov.au/privacy/privacy-act/criminal-records

https://www.allens.com.au/services/priv/nppsnpps.htm (see NPP 9)

It would therefore seem more likely that the op was refused entry to Thailand under paragraph 11

11. Being deported by either the Government of Thailand that of or other foreign countries ; or the right of stay in the Kingdom or in foreign countries having been revoked ; or having been sent out of the Kingdom by competent officials at the expense of the Government of Thailand unless the Minister shall consider exemption on an individual special case basis.

I'm only guessing of course but it seems to me that in order to understand the intentions of the Thai immigration act one would need a clear definition of the terms "deported", "right of stay revoked" and "refused entry" especially since we are referring to English translations of Thai law.

Also something that I have never understood is how one country can be aware that the citizen of another country might have a criminal past. Is it possible that some governments pass information to Interpol that certain persons have criminal convictions even though they can't disclose the nature of those convictions?

If such an Interpol list exists it seems obvious that Thailand doesn't make use of it simply by the number of convicted criminals that are living here despite the fact that they are specifically prohibited entry by paragraph 6 of section 12.

[lopburi3]

Several trolls and flames removed.

[IMA_FARANG]

if u really want to, go to court, change ur name and get a new passport,

Relaitvely easy for Americans and Candians not sure about Austrilans,

know many friends that have done that

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Used to be possible. but increasingly unlikely since 9/11 in the U.S.

For one thing, all new U.S. passport are now going through a biometrics profile match on issue in the U.S.

So no matter what you call yourself if your photos match your new passport will at least be flagged as "suspicious".

That doesn't mean you will be barred, but it does mean in the U.S. your match will be "noticed".

Then it's up to others to stop you or allow you to get that new passport.

The days of simply having your name checked in a database are long gone.

[lopburi3]

Another flame removed.

[simple1]

@Dork: Australian/NZ law enforcement & immigration do not require written permission to advise foreign countries, on their request, of their nationals criminal convictions/arrest warrants .

One of the roles of Interpol is to act as an international liaison office for member countries to share criminal intelligence analysis and alerts when an international arrest warrant (red notice) has been requested by a member country.

[hellodolly]

Your just dying to get back to pattaya aren't you. Are you blacklisted for life?

Sure am mate

Yes i think its a lifetime ban for me

but when i win a one trillion baht lottery

i may be able to come back

How can you be deported to a country that has you black listed. I always thought they deported you back to the country you come from or the country your passport is for.

If you have a Thai Passport they can not black list you from it. They can how ever take it away from you.

edit

On reflection if you have a Thai passport I would have thought they took it away from you when Thailand blacklisted you.

[nosatisfaction]

Instead of trying to beat the system, find a new pattaya. I've heard Angeles city Philippines is good, and parts of Vietnam think it's Vung Tau. I doubt anyone here that has worked a way with a blacklist on their name would share the secret. Besides your really asking us to help you break the law.

Yeap, Angeles is not bad but the Makati area is better

[sweandfree]

Hey.
Just change your last name and fix a new passport from your homecountry, or from the embassy if you stay elsewhere at the moment.
By doing this your blacklist is gone.
And this is 100% sure, i have more than 3 friends who succesfully removed their blacklist by doing this !


// Over & Out.

[Dork]

@Dork: Australian/NZ law enforcement & immigration do not require written permission to advise foreign countries, on their request, of their nationals criminal convictions/arrest warrants .

See here: https://www.allens.com.au/services/priv/nppsnpps.htm

Thailand has no comparable privacy laws and therefore there is no protection against further dissemination of personal information.

One of the roles of Interpol is to act as an international liaison office for member countries to share criminal intelligence analysis and alerts when an international arrest warrant (red notice) has been requested by a member country.

An "international arrest warrant" has nothing to do with records containing details of spent convictions.

[simple1]

Hey.

Just change your last name and fix a new passport from your homecountry, or from the embassy if you stay elsewhere at the moment.

By doing this your blacklist is gone.

And this is 100% sure, i have more than 3 friends who succesfully removed their blacklist by doing this !

// Over & Out.

Before or after facial recognition technology was implemented by Thai immigration?

[johntren]

AirAsia flies into Clark which, if memory serves, is but a short taxi-ride from Angeles. The connection from Melbourne (and presumably anywhere else in Oz) is through KL, like nearly all AAsia international flights. Worth a look, maybe....?

I learned one thing on my visit to Angeles: it was a dump. No beach, of course. Has anything changed in the last few years?

[sweandfree]

Hey.

Just change your last name and fix a new passport from your homecountry, or from the embassy if you stay elsewhere at the moment.

By doing this your blacklist is gone.

And this is 100% sure, i have more than 3 friends who succesfully removed their blacklist by doing this !

// Over & Out.

Before or after facial recognition technology was implemented by Thai immigration?

If he enter true Suvarnabhum he would get problems with the face recognition, but there are several borders who havent upgraded to the face recognition systems yet, just enter Thailand at one of these.

Problem solved.

Over & Out.

[ubonjoe]

In the US criminal records are classified as a public record. Anybody can ask for them.

If I know the date of birth of somebody I can go online by entering it and their name pay $1.25 and do a criminal record check.

The national sex offender registry is easy to access also.

[harrry]

@Dork: Australian/NZ law enforcement & immigration do not require written permission to advise foreign countries, on their request, of their nationals criminal convictions/arrest warrants .

See here: https://www.allens.com.au/services/priv/nppsnpps.htm

Thailand has no comparable privacy laws and therefore there is no protection against further dissemination of personal information.

One of the roles of Interpol is to act as an international liaison office for member countries to share criminal intelligence analysis and alerts when an international arrest warrant (red notice) has been requested by a member country.

An "international arrest warrant" has nothing to do with records containing details of spent convictions.

Police are not covered by that. They exchange information on a daily basis.

[watcharacters]

AirAsia flies into Clark which, if memory serves, is but a short taxi-ride from Angeles. The connection from Melbourne (and presumably anywhere else in Oz) is through KL, like nearly all AAsia international flights. Worth a look, maybe....?

I learned one thing on my visit to Angeles: it was a dump. No beach, of course. Has anything changed in the last few years?

.

Hold on now..

Angeles Beach Club Hotel

[Nobelcat]

I'm not going to read though pages of comments here, but as someone who's blacklisted from a few countries (not my fault) I can actually answer this. Yes, you can transit though and it doesn't matter what airlines you take. It only matters that you have a booked flight with a single airlines company to your final destination. If you instead have a trip to BKK and then another flight to another country, you will likely be denied boarding before you take off on the first leg.

That's the other thing. They wont let you board the flight, and they will refund your money, if you're denied entry into remote destination. They really want to get you there and they don't want you to get rejected along the way (otherwise it's them paying for your flight back, plus you might end up disputing the first ticket... very bad for them). So if they allow you on the flight then you should be okay (though I've been denied before on a 2nd leg due to a mixup). As long as you don't try crossing customs into a country you're blocked from, you'll be fine.

And I do agree with people that KL is quite good, as well as HKG. BKK should be fine for transit though, unless someone pulls a favor and requests that they stop you for some reason.

[robertson468]

My suggestion is to apply for a non immigrant visa. It will cost you the fee for it. I am almost certain they will check the blacklist and if they issue it you may be ok. I know they checked a blacklist when I applied for an OA so I guess thye do for all.

Bit of a wast of time i think as im 99.999% sure i am on the blacklist

but may look into it as a last resort

You could always go to Thai Immigration Website where you can send them an e-mail and ask if you are, or are not on the black list - job done! This will then give you a base from which to move on from instead of the current "am I or am I not" scenario, leaving you quite unsure and indecisive.

[bitcoinbob]

i had a friend american same problem, when you returned to aussie land did the thais put a big red stamp in your passport , yes report it lost burn the thing get a new one first thing. return to thailand overland with new aussie passport laos,cambodia, even myanmar. good luck

[lopburi3]

Flame removed.

[semaritual]

Well i don't understand this discussion as nobody knows anything .....and nobody is sure so 99.9% can never be fullfilled.

Why not avoid any of the countries you are blacklisted?????

seems you adore to get back and be in trouble...

I been blacklisted by political reasons when i was still working as journalist: i never went back to these countries.....no risk...

[Pattaya2000]

That would be section 12.6:

6. Having been imprisoned by the judgement of the Thai Court ; or by a lawful injunction ; or by

the judgement of the Court of foreign country , except when the penalty is foe petty offense or negligence

or is provided for as an exception in the Ministerial Regulations.

A conviction in any country is reason for denying someone entry, besides some petty offenses, etc.

While it's true that the op would be disqualified from entry to Thailand by paragraph 6, I have my doubts that it is the reason he was denied entry after being returned from Australia. I say that because both Australia and New Zealand have very strict privacy laws which would prevent disclosure of a persons criminal record to another country without that persons prior written consent. I believe that the op would have had to sign such a consent when attempting to enter Australia and that is how Australian immigration became aware of the exact nature of his NZ convictions and was then the grounds upon which he was refused entry without a visa.

When the op was returned from Australia to Thailand, though Thai immigration were aware that he had been refused entry to Australia because the carrier was obliged to report that, Australian immigration could not disclose the exact reasons why (i.e. criminal convictions) to either the airline or Thai immigration unless the op gave his prior consent to the Australians which would seem unlikely.

Some links to Australian privacy legislation:

http://oaic.gov.au/privacy/privacy-act/criminal-records

https://www.allens.com.au/services/priv/nppsnpps.htm (see NPP 9)

It would therefore seem more likely that the op was refused entry to Thailand under paragraph 11

11. Being deported by either the Government of Thailand that of or other foreign countries ; or the right of stay in the Kingdom or in foreign countries having been revoked ; or having been sent out of the Kingdom by competent officials at the expense of the Government of Thailand unless the Minister shall consider exemption on an individual special case basis.

I'm only guessing of course but it seems to me that in order to understand the intentions of the Thai immigration act one would need a clear definition of the terms "deported", "right of stay revoked" and "refused entry" especially since we are referring to English translations of Thai law.

Also something that I have never understood is how one country can be aware that the citizen of another country might have a criminal past. Is it possible that some governments pass information to Interpol that certain persons have criminal convictions even though they can't disclose the nature of those convictions?

If such an Interpol list exists it seems obvious that Thailand doesn't make use of it simply by the number of convicted criminals that are living here despite the fact that they are specifically prohibited entry by paragraph 6 of section 12.

sounds like your on the money there dork

no bad stamps in my passport either

and the flights home were paid by myself

not sure who paid for the sercurity guard that was with me me in the transit areas of the airport

[Pattaya2000]

My suggestion is to apply for a non immigrant visa. It will cost you the fee for it. I am almost certain they will check the blacklist and if they issue it you may be ok. I know they checked a blacklist when I applied for an OA so I guess thye do for all.

Bit of a wast of time i think as im 99.999% sure i am on the blacklist

but may look into it as a last resort

You could always go to Thai Immigration Website where you can send them an e-mail and ask if you are, or are not on the black list - job done! This will then give you a base from which to move on from instead of the current "am I or am I not" scenario, leaving you quite unsure and indecisive.

I wish it was that easy bud

[Globeman]

Your just dying to get back to pattaya aren't you. Are you blacklisted for life?

Sure am mate

Yes i think its a lifetime ban for me

but when i win a one trillion baht lottery

i may be able to come back

Blacklisted in what form? By the police? A stamp in your passport? It requires a high-ranking official to declare you "persona non grata", and the permanent secretary would be signing the things all day long, which is why so many people can keep getting back in, despite the stamp in their passport saying they are banned. However, if you are on a terrorist watchlist, that is another matter.

[roadagent]

I would apply for a transit visa, explaining your situation. Not sure how they will consider this, as you must change airports and enter the country.

Personnaly I would change my travel plans so I don't have to use two different airports.

Yes i think i will do the latter and transit in KL or somewhere like that and when in manila it should be easy to arrange flights to cambo, nam, laos etc

Off topic but anyone know how much i should pay for a taxi to Angeles from Manila..? And how long is the ride..?

last time i was in Angeles i went direct to clark from BKK flying tiger, operated by seair who has the best looking air hostess iv ever seen in my life

they were wearing mini skirts

Manila to Angeles is about 3,000 pesos. You can take a taxi to Ermita, though, for 180 pesos, then take Fly the Bus to Angeles or Olongapo for 600 pesos. YOu can find them online.

Out of curiosity, what did you do to get banned, if you don't mind sharing?

Arrived Manila Friday 8/26 and took taxi booked through Margarita Station (2600p) to Angeles. Total time roughly 2 hours. About an hour & 20 minutes was spent navigating the Manila traffic nightmare from NAIA to the NLEX. Once you get to NLEX (North Luzon Expressway), it's about 40 mintues more to Angeles.

For a much cheaper albeit longer option, take a taxi to the Philippines Rabbit (Avenida) bus terminal then go to Angeles from there. The bus is less than 200p.

[Pattaya2000]

i had a friend american same problem, when you returned to aussie land did the thais put a big red stamp in your passport , yes report it lost burn the thing get a new one first thing. return to thailand overland with new aussie passport laos,cambodia, even myanmar. good luck

My passport is clean

and if i try what you say and it doesint work

it can set off another chain reaction

and could then be banned in more countrys

[ghworker2010]

Instead of trying to beat the system, find a new pattaya. I've heard Angeles city Philippines is good, and parts of Vietnam think it's Vung Tau. I doubt anyone here that has worked a way with a blacklist on their name would share the secret. Besides your really asking us to help you break the law.

this is really sensible advice actually. Try Indonesia. In java theres a cool coastal place called pangandaran and it is what I think pattaya might have been 40 yrs ago

[Ulic]

I would apply for a transit visa, explaining your situation. Not sure how they will consider this, as you must change airports and enter the country.

Personnaly I would change my travel plans so I don't have to use two different airports.

Yes i think i will do the latter and transit in KL or somewhere like that and when in manila it should be easy to arrange flights to cambo, nam, laos etc

Off topic but anyone know how much i should pay for a taxi to Angeles from Manila..? And how long is the ride..?

last time i was in Angeles i went direct to clark from BKK flying tiger, operated by seair who has the best looking air hostess iv ever seen in my life

they were wearing mini skirts

Why not fly KL to Clark direct on Air Asia

[rodroy]

I would apply for a transit visa, explaining your situation. Not sure how they will consider this, as you must change airports and enter the country.

Personnaly I would change my travel plans so I don't have to use two different airports.

Yes i think i will do the latter and transit in KL or somewhere like that and when in manila it should be easy to arrange flights to cambo, nam, laos etc

Off topic but anyone know how much i should pay for a taxi to Angeles from Manila..? And how long is the ride..?

last time i was in Angeles i went direct to clark from BKK flying tiger, operated by seair who has the best looking air hostess iv ever seen in my life

they were wearing mini skirts

About 2 years ago it took me 4.5 hours due to very heavy traffic. From memory I paid around $30-$40.

Hotel was also shocked it took so long , approx traveling time should be 2-2.5 hours

Function of time of day and where you are going!

Downtown into Makati at 1700 hrs or morning rush forget it!