Thai-Pakistani ties destined to strengthen

[simple1]

@geriatrickid: I agree with your summary regards Pakistani government. An interesting article on interference by Pakistan and regional rivalries that far exceed Thailands current challenges at:

http://blog.inkerman.com/index.php/2013/07/30/afghanistans-sibling-rivalry/

As the OP states "We have invited Thai private businesses to invest in Pakistan in various sectors, including infrastructure development, energy" These sectors are highly politisied and strategic within Pakistan, you would think that Thailand will face severe challenges to compete.

India has committed to the TAPI gas project that would require routing through Pakistan thereby may be potential opportunities for Thailand, but as I understand already controlled by a US company. However, Pakistan has recently put talks with India on hold, even though the US is pressuring Pakistan to cancel the proposed Iran - Pakistan (via Afghanistan) gas pipeline. The first contract for the development of the Afghan oil resources has been awarded to China. India and China are both investing in Afghanistan on large metal and mineral mining projects.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-china-could-find-common-ground-in-afghanistan/article4627850.ece

http://zeenews.india.com/news/south-asia/pak-to-skip-us-brokered-tapi-pipeline-talks-in-india-over-loc-tensions_871134.html

Your thoughts...

[Jay Kay]

Time for the old joke about why Pakistan got banned from the World Cup, every time they got a corner they built a shop.

Seriously though, the Pakistani business community could teach Thailand a lot about international trade, work ethic and identifying opportunities.

People also overlook that Pakistani soldiers have died in their droves fighting the Taliban. The Taliban are a more serious threat to the Pakistani nation than they are to us.

It's better to look beyond the stereotype, you'll be amazed at what you find.

Oh Please. The cornershops you allude too are renowned for their ability to trade in counterfeit goods, and to circumvent applicable laws in the sale of tobacco to minors, hygiene etc. The Pakistani government has been extorting the west for decades, playing the west for fools. The taliban exists because it is in Pakistan's best interests to allow them to exist. What a great opportunity to demand "aid" from the west. The Taliban serves Pakistan's interest as it seeks to destabilize Afghanistan under the false assumption that anything that hurts India is good for Pakistan. All of the aforementioned point to one thing and one thing only: Pakistan is a defacto enemy of Thailand, despite sharing some negative qualities. the Pakistanis will betray Thailand just as they have betrayed their Indian sisters and brothers. The Pakistani state reviles the basis of the Thai state, and yet the Thai government runs to embrace what is ostensibly a toxic nation.

The Thai government is making a serious, tactical mistake seeking to "curry" favour with pakistan, China's defacto ally against India. The Thai government should be focusing on building bridges to India and seeking common ground. One would think that with some shared common religious origins and culture, that India would be the natural direction. But no, India is aligned with Myanmar and India is a threat on the world rice market. India will win its slow and steady campaign in Afghanistan and the oil will flow through India, not Pakistan. It is more likely that Pakistan will be nuked into a wasteland by India than Pakistan ever becoming peaceful and functional.

Cosying up to Pakistan is a waste of time and effort. It is a basket case country and sooner rather than later, India will deal with its castoff state.

A very emotional note by an Indian friend. I can understand your frustration. Despite all diplomatic allegations and strategic manoeuvring, Pakistani nation didn't bow to their "greater Indian dream."

Below is the point to point reply to your emotional allegations devoid of any facts and figures;

1. You stated the Taliban's presence is in the interest of Pakistan as a strategic asset.

NO it is not. Yes, it used to be a strategic asset to both the U.S. and Pakistan. But, not anymore, especially after the 9/11. Pakistan has suffered the most for turning it's back on the Taliban. And TTP, the Pakistani Taliban has attacked the govt. officials, security forces and innocent men, women and children and the toll has reached more than 40,000. Is it what you call a strategic asset? Then all the insurgencies going on in twenty one states of India including Kashmir, Assam, Jharkhand etc. is a drama and the insurgents are actually Indian strategic assets? Do you want Taliban as assets too. Please take them for free.

2. You stated that Pakistan has betrayed it's Indian brethren and chose China as it's ally against India?

A very childish and emotional analysis again my brother:

a) Pakistan is an independent state to choose it's friends and allies. Not a colony or subservient state to India or any other state in the world.

China is strong enough to counter India single, rather half-handedly. It doesn't need Pakistan as an ally against India.

c) it is not Pakistan which betrayed India, it is India and Indians that have never accepted Pakistan as a state since independence. The doctrine of Hindutva and the philosophies of radical Hindu movements of Vishva Hindu Parishad, and some elements of BJP and shiv sena are on record. Anybody can read about their stance on Pakistan on the Internet.

It was very much India to deploy it's 1 million army on Pakistani eastern borders after 9/11 when Pakistan got busy on it's western border to fight the war on terror as a US ally against it's "assets" Taliban as you call it.

d) Thailand and any other state is mature enough to decide for it's future and to choose it's friends and foes. So it's govt. should not be treated and directed as it is run by some ignorant kids.

[BrianCR]

"Domestically, he still has a long way to go in terms of bringing the military to accept civilian rule." Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and President Nawaz Sharif seem to have the same problem?

[yooper2001]

How the hell can you expect Pakistan to help on defense when they cannot defend themselves from the Taliban. Their country is in complete turmoil and is dependent on America for support to the amount of billions of dollars

I think this is a BIG mistake for Thailand to get involved with Pakistan.

OH WELL GET OUT THE WELCOME SIGN FOR THE TALIBAN TO GET A FOOTHOLD IN THAILAND

So mr idian u want visit to india for help for defence who doing evety thing in pakistan.helping anti pakistan movement.who helping afghanistan militians?indin embasy in afghanistan helping anti pakistan groups.bomb attack near pakistan border.what happing in peshawer.

You do not have to look far to see who is supporting the Taliban> Just look at Iran and you will find who is supporting the Taliban and Hezbhullah and alQueda this is easy to figure out JUST FOLLOW THE MONEY it all trails back to Iran

[Scott]

This thread is about Thai-Pakistani relationships. Please confine your comments, and examples, to things that would affect that relationship or their relationships with other nations.

[simple1]

Time for the old joke about why Pakistan got banned from the World Cup, every time they got a corner they built a shop.

Seriously though, the Pakistani business community could teach Thailand a lot about international trade, work ethic and identifying opportunities.

People also overlook that Pakistani soldiers have died in their droves fighting the Taliban. The Taliban are a more serious threat to the Pakistani nation than they are to us.

It's better to look beyond the stereotype, you'll be amazed at what you find.

Oh Please. The cornershops you allude too are renowned for their ability to trade in counterfeit goods, and to circumvent applicable laws in the sale of tobacco to minors, hygiene etc. The Pakistani government has been extorting the west for decades, playing the west for fools. The taliban exists because it is in Pakistan's best interests to allow them to exist. What a great opportunity to demand "aid" from the west. The Taliban serves Pakistan's interest as it seeks to destabilize Afghanistan under the false assumption that anything that hurts India is good for Pakistan. All of the aforementioned point to one thing and one thing only: Pakistan is a defacto enemy of Thailand, despite sharing some negative qualities. the Pakistanis will betray Thailand just as they have betrayed their Indian sisters and brothers. The Pakistani state reviles the basis of the Thai state, and yet the Thai government runs to embrace what is ostensibly a toxic nation.

The Thai government is making a serious, tactical mistake seeking to "curry" favour with pakistan, China's defacto ally against India. The Thai government should be focusing on building bridges to India and seeking common ground. One would think that with some shared common religious origins and culture, that India would be the natural direction. But no, India is aligned with Myanmar and India is a threat on the world rice market. India will win its slow and steady campaign in Afghanistan and the oil will flow through India, not Pakistan. It is more likely that Pakistan will be nuked into a wasteland by India than Pakistan ever becoming peaceful and functional.

Cosying up to Pakistan is a waste of time and effort. It is a basket case country and sooner rather than later, India will deal with its castoff state.

A very emotional note by an Indian friend. I can understand your frustration. Despite all diplomatic allegations and strategic manoeuvring, Pakistani nation didn't bow to their "greater Indian dream."

Below is the point to point reply to your emotional allegations devoid of any facts and figures;

1. You stated the Taliban's presence is in the interest of Pakistan as a strategic asset.

NO it is not. Yes, it used to be a strategic asset to both the U.S. and Pakistan. But, not anymore, especially after the 9/11. Pakistan has suffered the most for turning it's back on the Taliban. And TTP, the Pakistani Taliban has attacked the govt. officials, security forces and innocent men, women and children and the toll has reached more than 40,000. Is it what you call a strategic asset? Then all the insurgencies going on in twenty one states of India including Kashmir, Assam, Jharkhand etc. is a drama and the insurgents are actually Indian strategic assets? Do you want Taliban as assets too. Please take them for free.

2. You stated that Pakistan has betrayed it's Indian brethren and chose China as it's ally against India?

A very childish and emotional analysis again my brother:

a) Pakistan is an independent state to choose it's friends and allies. Not a colony or subservient state to India or any other state in the world.

China is strong enough to counter India single, rather half-handedly. It doesn't need Pakistan as an ally against India.

c) it is not Pakistan which betrayed India, it is India and Indians that have never accepted Pakistan as a state since independence. The doctrine of Hindutva and the philosophies of radical Hindu movements of Vishva Hindu Parishad, and some elements of BJP and shiv sena are on record. Anybody can read about their stance on Pakistan on the Internet.

It was very much India to deploy it's 1 million army on Pakistani eastern borders after 9/11 when Pakistan got busy on it's western border to fight the war on terror as a US ally against it's "assets" Taliban as you call it.

d) Thailand and any other state is mature enough to decide for it's future and to choose it's friends and foes. So it's govt. should not be treated and directed as it is run by some ignorant kids.

As Pakistan is an OIC member, Thailand would be seeking some contribution from Pakistan on how to resolve it's own conflict in the deep South; Thailand has previously looked for guidance from OIC.

The Taliban were never viewed as a strategic asset by the US. During the rise of the Taliban the US supported the Northern Alliance.

Pakistani military are fighting the Pakistan Taliban, but at the same time ISI provides support, training & supplies to the Afghan Taliban, the Haqqani Group fighting in Afganistan and other extremist groups. As I said a very complex game. From a link I provided above and reposted below for your convenience. "The most obvious manifestation of the latter is undoubtedly the ISI supported Haqqani Network’s campaign of attacks against senior Afghan political figures, including Hamid Karzai himself in 2008"

http://blog.inkerman.com/index.php/2013/07/30/afghanistans-sibling-rivalry/

As you know India amassed it's troops along the Pakistan border in response to the intelligence that identified a Pakistani based terrorist group, alledgedly supported by ISI, who attacked India's Parliament. Not as an opportunistic move due to the deployment of some Pakistani troops to the western border areas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/25/international/asia/25INDI.html

Edited August 25, 2013 by simple1

[Credo]

Thailand has no interest in having Pakistan, or any other country, help solve the situation in the South. They are only interested in making sure that no other country says anything about the situation in the South.

Thailand is only interested in doing it the Thai way. That is one of the reasons it isn't working.

[Jay Kay]

Time for the old joke about why Pakistan got banned from the World Cup, every time they got a corner they built a shop.

Seriously though, the Pakistani business community could teach Thailand a lot about international trade, work ethic and identifying opportunities.

People also overlook that Pakistani soldiers have died in their droves fighting the Taliban. The Taliban are a more serious threat to the Pakistani nation than they are to us.

It's better to look beyond the stereotype, you'll be amazed at what you find.

Oh Please. The cornershops you allude too are renowned for their ability to trade in counterfeit goods, and to circumvent applicable laws in the sale of tobacco to minors, hygiene etc. The Pakistani government has been extorting the west for decades, playing the west for fools. The taliban exists because it is in Pakistan's best interests to allow them to exist. What a great opportunity to demand "aid" from the west. The Taliban serves Pakistan's interest as it seeks to destabilize Afghanistan under the false assumption that anything that hurts India is good for Pakistan. All of the aforementioned point to one thing and one thing only: Pakistan is a defacto enemy of Thailand, despite sharing some negative qualities. the Pakistanis will betray Thailand just as they have betrayed their Indian sisters and brothers. The Pakistani state reviles the basis of the Thai state, and yet the Thai government runs to embrace what is ostensibly a toxic nation.

The Thai government is making a serious, tactical mistake seeking to "curry" favour with pakistan, China's defacto ally against India. The Thai government should be focusing on building bridges to India and seeking common ground. One would think that with some shared common religious origins and culture, that India would be the natural direction. But no, India is aligned with Myanmar and India is a threat on the world rice market. India will win its slow and steady campaign in Afghanistan and the oil will flow through India, not Pakistan. It is more likely that Pakistan will be nuked into a wasteland by India than Pakistan ever becoming peaceful and functional.

Cosying up to Pakistan is a waste of time and effort. It is a basket case country and sooner rather than later, India will deal with its castoff state.

A very emotional note by an Indian friend. I can understand your frustration. Despite all diplomatic allegations and strategic manoeuvring, Pakistani nation didn't bow to their "greater Indian dream."

Below is the point to point reply to your emotional allegations devoid of any facts and figures;

1. You stated the Taliban's presence is in the interest of Pakistan as a strategic asset.

NO it is not. Yes, it used to be a strategic asset to both the U.S. and Pakistan. But, not anymore, especially after the 9/11. Pakistan has suffered the most for turning it's back on the Taliban. And TTP, the Pakistani Taliban has attacked the govt. officials, security forces and innocent men, women and children and the toll has reached more than 40,000. Is it what you call a strategic asset? Then all the insurgencies going on in twenty one states of India including Kashmir, Assam, Jharkhand etc. is a drama and the insurgents are actually Indian strategic assets? Do you want Taliban as assets too. Please take them for free.

2. You stated that Pakistan has betrayed it's Indian brethren and chose China as it's ally against India?

A very childish and emotional analysis again my brother:

a) Pakistan is an independent state to choose it's friends and allies. Not a colony or subservient state to India or any other state in the world.

China is strong enough to counter India single, rather half-handedly. It doesn't need Pakistan as an ally against India.

c) it is not Pakistan which betrayed India, it is India and Indians that have never accepted Pakistan as a state since independence. The doctrine of Hindutva and the philosophies of radical Hindu movements of Vishva Hindu Parishad, and some elements of BJP and shiv sena are on record. Anybody can read about their stance on Pakistan on the Internet.

It was very much India to deploy it's 1 million army on Pakistani eastern borders after 9/11 when Pakistan got busy on it's western border to fight the war on terror as a US ally against it's "assets" Taliban as you call it.

d) Thailand and any other state is mature enough to decide for it's future and to choose it's friends and foes. So it's govt. should not be treated and directed as it is run by some ignorant kids.

As Pakistan is an OIC member, Thailand would be seeking some contribution from Pakistan on how to resolve it's own conflict in the deep South; Thailand has previously looked for guidance from OIC.

The Taliban were never viewed as a strategic asset by the US. During the rise of the Taliban the US supported the Northern Alliance.

Pakistani military are fighting the Pakistan Taliban, but at the same time ISI provides support, training & supplies to the Afghan Taliban, the Haqqani Group fighting in Afganistan and other extremist groups. As I said a very complex game. From a link I provided above and reposted below for your convenience. "The most obvious manifestation of the latter is undoubtedly the ISI supported Haqqani Networks campaign of attacks against senior Afghan political figures, including Hamid Karzai himself in 2008"

http://blog.inkerman.com/index.php/2013/07/30/afghanistans-sibling-rivalry/

As you know India amassed it's troops along the Pakistan border in response to the intelligence that identified a Pakistani based terrorist group, alledgedly supported by ISI, who attacked India's Parliament. Not as an opportunistic move due to the deployment of some Pakistani troops to the western border areas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/25/international/asia/25INDI.html

OIC is a non-functional dead horse. It can't even deal with the ongoing problems of Egypt, Syria, Leabanon and Palestine so how would it interfere with the internal affairs of Thailand. Pakistan is not among the Top brass of OIC, it's all Arab states.

The insurgency in the south is Thailand's interal problem. No other country has any right to interfere or help unless Thailand wants. And no such request is on the table. Just baseless assumptions.

Although the majority of Thais in its southern provinces, mainly three, are Muslims. But the insurgency is not based on religious reasons, it is purely on ethnic grounds. For reference please see the book "The Terrorist Threat from Thailand" coincidentally researched and authored by two Indian writers.

Please straighten your records regarding Taliban as being as stretegic assets or not. I can post many links here. But I will give you just one name i.e. UNOCAL Gas company. Kindly read about it and the pipeline deals.

As for Haqqani is concerned, you can see him sitting with President Regan in the Oval Office in a picture available on net. Yes, it is a very complex game, and Pakistan will indeed come out of this quagmire.

As far as Indian allegations are concerned regarding the attacks on parliament etc. I don't want to comment much about it. The Indian home ministry officials themselves have called it a hoax and concoction to put undue pressure on Pakistan. You seem to be learned enough to browse through the Times of India July papers. Everyone knows who killed the investigating office for the train bombing incident, Mr. Kurkurre.

I don't want to go for a tit for tat debate. I will remain true to the subject because for me truth and humanity is above nationalism.

Edited August 25, 2013 by Jay Kay

[simple1]

Thailand has no interest in having Pakistan, or any other country, help solve the situation in the South. They are only interested in making sure that no other country says anything about the situation in the South.

Thailand is only interested in doing it the Thai way. That is one of the reasons it isn't working.

Could be BS, but the link below states otherwise, not permitted to provide BKK Post link

http://dawn.com/news/1037521/pakistan-and-thailand-to-upgrade-defence-ties

[Credo]

Thanks, Simple 1.

[hellodolly]

How the hell can you expect Pakistan to help on defense when they cannot defend themselves from the Taliban. Their country is in complete turmoil and is dependent on America for support to the amount of billions of dollars

I think this is a BIG mistake for Thailand to get involved with Pakistan.

OH WELL GET OUT THE WELCOME SIGN FOR THE TALIBAN TO GET A FOOTHOLD IN THAILAND

Other than defense from are own government what does Thailand need state of the art defense for?

No she is looking for more corrupt countries than Thailand!

Hard to find but they're out there.

Actually on a list of corrupt countries they are tied for 88 with 5 other countries. The list is 1 to 174 with many ties on it. Put out by Transparency International. Not hard to find more corrupt at all. You listen too much to Thai Visa.

Thailand is tied with Swaziland, Zambia, Suriname, Morocco and Malawi

I had to laugh at

"The two countries also signed a memorandum of understanding to increase their annual two-way trade to US$1 billion in five years."

Not exactly what I would call a successful deal. On a international scene it is just a bump in the road that is going to take 5 years to reach. Thailand spends more tax payers money than that every year in corruption.

[marell]

I heard she was invited to christen a new shopping mall there.

You can't say 'christen' in Pakistan.

[hellodolly]

Thailand has no interest in having Pakistan, or any other country, help solve the situation in the South. They are only interested in making sure that no other country says anything about the situation in the South.

Thailand is only interested in doing it the Thai way. That is one of the reasons it isn't working.

Could be BS, but the link below states otherwise, not permitted to provide BKK Post link

http://dawn.com/news/1037521/pakistan-and-thailand-to-upgrade-defence-ties

So what are we to believe.

The article from DAWN.com said

"The two countries are eyeing to double their bilateral trade to $2 billion over the next five years."

The nation said

"The two countries also signed a memorandum of understanding to increase their annual two-way trade to US$1 billion in five years."

[simple1]

Thailand has no interest in having Pakistan, or any other country, help solve the situation in the South. They are only interested in making sure that no other country says anything about the situation in the South.

Thailand is only interested in doing it the Thai way. That is one of the reasons it isn't working.

Could be BS, but the link below states otherwise, not permitted to provide BKK Post link

http://dawn.com/news/1037521/pakistan-and-thailand-to-upgrade-defence-ties

So what are we to believe.

The article from DAWN.com said

"The two countries are eyeing to double their bilateral trade to $2 billion over the next five years."

The nation said

"The two countries also signed a memorandum of understanding to increase their annual two-way trade to US$1 billion in five years."

from a third news source; same numbers in BKK Post

Thailand announced its comprehensive support for Pakistan’s ‘full dialogue partnership’ with the Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean).The two countries have expressed the resolve to build a strong economic partnership, double their existing trade by taking it to US$2 billion within five years. They also agreed to conclude the Free Trade Agreement (FTA).

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-13-24900-Pakistan-Thailand-to-set-up-trade-and-business-bodies

Edited August 25, 2013 by simple1

[skyaslimit]

Time for the old joke about why Pakistan got banned from the World Cup, every time they got a corner they built a shop.

Seriously though, the Pakistani business community could teach Thailand a lot about international trade, work ethic and identifying opportunities.

People also overlook that Pakistani soldiers have died in their droves fighting the Taliban. The Taliban are a more serious threat to the Pakistani nation than they are to us.

It's better to look beyond the stereotype, you'll be amazed at what you find.

Oh Please. The cornershops you allude too are renowned for their ability to trade in counterfeit goods, and to circumvent applicable laws in the sale of tobacco to minors, hygiene etc. The Pakistani government has been extorting the west for decades, playing the west for fools. The taliban exists because it is in Pakistan's best interests to allow them to exist. What a great opportunity to demand "aid" from the west. The Taliban serves Pakistan's interest as it seeks to destabilize Afghanistan under the false assumption that anything that hurts India is good for Pakistan. All of the aforementioned point to one thing and one thing only: Pakistan is a defacto enemy of Thailand, despite sharing some negative qualities. the Pakistanis will betray Thailand just as they have betrayed their Indian sisters and brothers. The Pakistani state reviles the basis of the Thai state, and yet the Thai government runs to embrace what is ostensibly a toxic nation.

The Thai government is making a serious, tactical mistake seeking to "curry" favour with pakistan, China's defacto ally against India. The Thai government should be focusing on building bridges to India and seeking common ground. One would think that with some shared common religious origins and culture, that India would be the natural direction. But no, India is aligned with Myanmar and India is a threat on the world rice market. India will win its slow and steady campaign in Afghanistan and the oil will flow through India, not Pakistan. It is more likely that Pakistan will be nuked into a wasteland by India than Pakistan ever becoming peaceful and functional.

Cosying up to Pakistan is a waste of time and effort. It is a basket case country and sooner rather than later, India will deal with its castoff state.

After reading your statement about this "TOXIC NATION" and "BASKET CASE COUNTRY", I goggled to re-search whether they have done any thing positive? or cosying up to Pakistan is a waste of time for Thailand? Look what I have found:

A Super Sonic Fighter Jet (built by China and Pakistan)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDTA3u1o-5w&list=PL5U3C3EaiYPIEiCQ4S6uGCW6cFA5TpnGy&index=14

A Noble Prize Winner in Physics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqC92-T2WUg&list=PL5U3C3EaiYPIEiCQ4S6uGCW6cFA5TpnGy&index=13

An Oscar Winner (2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwy92C9EN3c&list=PL5U3C3EaiYPIEiCQ4S6uGCW6cFA5TpnGy&index=10

An Overseas Sword Winner at Royal Military Academy Sandhurst UK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVrDxay4RMo&list=PL5U3C3EaiYPIEiCQ4S6uGCW6cFA5TpnGy&index=11

Nuclear Capability

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy6oYHhAa-8&list=PL5U3C3EaiYPIEiCQ4S6uGCW6cFA5TpnGy&index=8

Winners of Cambrian Patrols (2010)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HhYXIpQxuY&list=PL5U3C3EaiYPIEiCQ4S6uGCW6cFA5TpnGy&index=12

[Bagwan]

It is a futuristic and far sighted decision by the Thai govt. to refresh it's bilateral ties with it's former ally from SEATO. Because after the Nato forces withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2014, Pakistan will be the gate way to oil and gas rich Central Asia. Thailand as a growing economy can benefit well and also be one of the pioneers to invest not only in Pakistan but Central Asian states. Pakistan is fighting against terrorism for the last 12 years alone. And it had contained it successfully, and have cornered it to some areas adjacent to Afghanistan. At these difficult times, it needs sincere friends like Thailand.

Pakistan has been playing a two faced game for years in the War on Terror. Yes, Pakistan has been fighting the Pakistani Taliban and other internal Islamic extremist groups. At the same time it has been actively assisting Afghan Taliban and others in their attacks within Afghanistan for many years. Many analysts and observers state Pakistani support for extremists to launch attacks in Afghanistan is to counter Indian influence and investment and to support attacks against India in places such as Kashmir.

Totally a misperception. You cant just blame Pakistan for the failure of 49 nations, mostly super powers. Suppose, if a layman buys your argument for one minute, it means that Pakistan is mightier than the whole ISAF forces? Why can't they stop it? Why the president Obama and Sen. Kerry praise Pakistan's role on daily basis? Afghans have always been like that, a tough resistance force to any invader. Since long before Pakistan was created. Pakistanis have offered 40,000 lives for the sake of world peace. Who else, among ISAF and NATO have sacrificed even quarter of it?

Some say Pakistan had got billions of dollars in aid from the U.S. I say they only got some less than 5 billion dollars plus promises and have spent it's own 70 billion rupees from the national ex-chequer i.e. tax payers money. If you can't help it's okay. But don't try to underestimate or malign their truest endeavours.

You are seriously misinformed or the Pakistan equivalent of Baghdad Bob aka Comical Ali. Who paid out to make Pakistan a nuclear power? Pakistan used the money that the US gave them to buy arms destined for Afghanistan to fight the Russians. Who gave Pakistan F16's which they then converted to carry nuclear weapons? Do you think that seriously senior Pakistani people didn't know that Pakistan was harbouring bin Laden? Pakistanis cheat and lie in everything that touches them, including the UK Welfare system, and may God forgive them because I won't, cricket. BTW the 'only' 5 billion dollars Pakistan got converts to 103 billion rupees.

You, and the readership of this thread, may care to read the paper at the address below to get a more accurate and realistic picture of Pakistan. They might be persuaded to believe that Pakistan and Thailand make excellent bedfellows.

http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/publication/19490/us_aid_to_pakistanus_taxpayers_have_funded_pakistani_corruption.html

[lemoncake]

Good to see Thailand is making good friends, Tajikistan, Iran, Pakistan, i assume Afghanistan and Uzbekistan is next

[Jay Kay]

It is a futuristic and far sighted decision by the Thai govt. to refresh it's bilateral ties with it's former ally from SEATO. Because after the Nato forces withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2014, Pakistan will be the gate way to oil and gas rich Central Asia. Thailand as a growing economy can benefit well and also be one of the pioneers to invest not only in Pakistan but Central Asian states. Pakistan is fighting against terrorism for the last 12 years alone. And it had contained it successfully, and have cornered it to some areas adjacent to Afghanistan. At these difficult times, it needs sincere friends like Thailand.

Pakistan has been playing a two faced game for years in the War on Terror. Yes, Pakistan has been fighting the Pakistani Taliban and other internal Islamic extremist groups. At the same time it has been actively assisting Afghan Taliban and others in their attacks within Afghanistan for many years. Many analysts and observers state Pakistani support for extremists to launch attacks in Afghanistan is to counter Indian influence and investment and to support attacks against India in places such as Kashmir.

Totally a misperception. You cant just blame Pakistan for the failure of 49 nations, mostly super powers. Suppose, if a layman buys your argument for one minute, it means that Pakistan is mightier than the whole ISAF forces? Why can't they stop it? Why the president Obama and Sen. Kerry praise Pakistan's role on daily basis? Afghans have always been like that, a tough resistance force to any invader. Since long before Pakistan was created. Pakistanis have offered 40,000 lives for the sake of world peace. Who else, among ISAF and NATO have sacrificed even quarter of it?

Some say Pakistan had got billions of dollars in aid from the U.S. I say they only got some less than 5 billion dollars plus promises and have spent it's own 70 billion rupees from the national ex-chequer i.e. tax payers money. If you can't help it's okay. But don't try to underestimate or malign their truest endeavours.

You are seriously misinformed or the Pakistan equivalent of Baghdad Bob aka Comical Ali. Who paid out to make Pakistan a nuclear power? Pakistan used the money that the US gave them to buy arms destined for Afghanistan to fight the Russians. Who gave Pakistan F16's which they then converted to carry nuclear weapons? Do you think that seriously senior Pakistani people didn't know that Pakistan was harbouring bin Laden? Pakistanis cheat and lie in everything that touches them, including the UK Welfare system, and may God forgive them because I won't, cricket. BTW the 'only' 5 billion dollars Pakistan got converts to 103 billion rupees.

You, and the readership of this thread, may care to read the paper at the address below to get a more accurate and realistic picture of Pakistan. They might be persuaded to believe that Pakistan and Thailand make excellent bedfellows.

http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/publication/19490/us_aid_to_pakistanus_taxpayers_have_funded_pakistani_corruption.html

You know this is the problems of you Indian friends, trying to show Pakistan as a monster and to keep your own evils hidden from the world.

Yes Pakistan got f-16s from the US but not for free. It got itself in trouble by standing with the US and the world against soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Whereas, on the other hand, India was siding with the Soviet Union and getting Mig-22s and other things. And, today it is India siding with USA and getting benefitted, and got itself in a deal of nuclear reactors. It is always prostrating to the rising sun. Maybe tomorrow, it stands with China or Russia again. Because it's policies and loyalties change with time. Who is the number one cheater in the world, only time will tell.

Law and order situation is so bad that gang rape in buses and public places is a fashion. I am not posting any links again, everyone knows about it. We get news on weekly basis. I feel sorry for the women in India.

It's an open secret that Pakistan is a nuclear power because of you Indians. Had you not tested it in 1973, Pakistan would never have opted for it. Pakistan had no other option but to avail the technology by hook or crook because of Indian evil designs against it especially after the 1971 indian involvement in east Pakistan which is today's Bangladesh.

Pakistan being a smaller country could not afford to have a conventional war. But now things are quite balanced.

I am sorry for typo it's 70 bn USD, not Pak rupees. Kindly calculate again. Thx

And pleased, keep your kind suggestions to help your India to prosper. Because, it is impossible to keep India united by just monsterising Pakistan for the rest of your lives. Lets suppose Pakistan is as bad as you guys are trying to prove, but you can't keep the world's eye off your own s**t for long.

You had not answered any of my posts regarding radical Hindu movements and the rise of insurgencies and hindu religious fanaticism in India. Stop trying to play on my court, lets talk about India, the big brother, first.

Edited August 25, 2013 by Jay Kay

[jackr]

I am intrigued as to why you are saying this is a 'rude' comment? I have a feeling it is because of the word Paki, and if so you are spouting utter PC nonesense. If British people are called 'Brits', Americans can be called 'Yanks' people from Thailand re called Thai's, Australians are Ozzie's, New Zealanders are Kiwi's, then why can people from Pakistan not be called 'Paki's, short as you know for Pakistani's? This kind of crap drives me insane.

I agree in principal, although, as I'm sure you are aware, the former is/was always a derogatory term for those guys (their skin colour, for one) as opposed to a benign nickname.

The new relationship is not a strange one at all when you consider who is behind this current government and their thirst for money.

[simple1]

@Jay kay. You are a Pakistani nationalist, but some rather odd remarks; it was primarily West Pakistani forces who carried out crimes against humanity, including the use of rape and sexual slavery as a tool of oppression during the war in today's Bangladesh. You mentioned a picture of Reagan with Haqqani, this would have been during the Russian Afghan war when Haqqani were fighting the Russian invasion.

It's not an open secret that Pakistan is nuclear armed, Pakistani weapons testing is very well known and advertised by Pakistan as a deterrent.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/10/17685030-pakistan-test-fires-nuclear-capable-missile-that-could-hit-deep-within-india?lite

Before this exchange is stopped by the mods, Hindu nationalism nothing to do with the topic and any comment would be deleted.

[skyaslimit]

I think she's looking into goat farming for export to these countries.....!!

Here is one flying goat they are trying to milk... I guess :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDTA3u1o-5w&list=PL5U3C3EaiYPIEiCQ4S6uGCW6cFA5TpnGy&index=14

[Scott]

The nonsensical and inflammatory discussion of Pakistan will end. Further off-topic comments will be deleted without notice.

The topic is about Thai-Pakistani ties.

[simple1]

How the hell can you expect Pakistan to help on defense when they cannot defend themselves from the Taliban. Their country is in complete turmoil and is dependent on America for support to the amount of billions of dollars

I think this is a BIG mistake for Thailand to get involved with Pakistan.

OH WELL GET OUT THE WELCOME SIGN FOR THE TALIBAN TO GET A FOOTHOLD IN THAILAND

So mr idian u want visit to india for help for defence who doing evety thing in pakistan.helping anti pakistan movement.who helping afghanistan militians?indin embasy in afghanistan helping anti pakistan groups.bomb attack near pakistan border.what happing in peshawer.

You do not have to look far to see who is supporting the Taliban> Just look at Iran and you will find who is supporting the Taliban and Hezbhullah and alQueda this is easy to figure out JUST FOLLOW THE MONEY it all trails back to Iran

Simply not true, Al Qaeda and Taliban are Sunni and in direct idealogical conflict with Iran. The primary supporters are Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. It has been alledged that Iranian elements do supply some weapons to the Taliban to support their efforts fighting ISAF.

[overherebc]

How the hell can you expect Pakistan to help on defense when they cannot defend themselves from the Taliban. Their country is in complete turmoil and is dependent on America for support to the amount of billions of dollars

I think this is a BIG mistake for Thailand to get involved with Pakistan.

OH WELL GET OUT THE WELCOME SIGN FOR THE TALIBAN TO GET A FOOTHOLD IN THAILAND

Stop thinking what I'm thinking.

[Jay Kay]

The nonsensical and inflammatory discussion of Pakistan will end. Further off-topic comments will be deleted without notice.

The topic is about Thai-Pakistani ties.

Thanks Scott. If you can kindly delete the previous ones too, thx

[MyFriend You]

It is a futuristic and far sighted decision by the Thai govt. to refresh it's bilateral ties with it's former ally from SEATO. Because after the Nato forces withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2014, Pakistan will be the gate way to oil and gas rich Central Asia. Thailand as a growing economy can benefit well and also be one of the pioneers to invest not only in Pakistan but Central Asian states. Pakistan is fighting against terrorism for the last 12 years alone. And it had contained it successfully, and have cornered it to some areas adjacent to Afghanistan. At these difficult times, it needs sincere friends like Thailand.

This has been going on for a few years now - Thailand just built the second largest Embassy in the Diplomatic Enclave in Islamabad - second only to the USA's monstrosity..............I spent two years there driving past it at least twice a day............

[simple1]

It is a futuristic and far sighted decision by the Thai govt. to refresh it's bilateral ties with it's former ally from SEATO. Because after the Nato forces withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2014, Pakistan will be the gate way to oil and gas rich Central Asia. Thailand as a growing economy can benefit well and also be one of the pioneers to invest not only in Pakistan but Central Asian states. Pakistan is fighting against terrorism for the last 12 years alone. And it had contained it successfully, and have cornered it to some areas adjacent to Afghanistan. At these difficult times, it needs sincere friends like Thailand.

This has been going on for a few years now - Thailand just built the second largest Embassy in the Diplomatic Enclave in Islamabad - second only to the USA's monstrosity..............I spent two years there driving past it at least twice a day............

That's interesting, any knowledge why Thailand is strengthening its diplomatic presence in Pakistan?

[osiboy]

Good to see Thailand is making good friends, Tajikistan, Iran, Pakistan, i assume Afghanistan and Uzbekistan is next

just a matter of time before we see the first mosque on walking street i think , with promises of happy endings for all ,......now about those promised virgins ..................could be a problem ,............mmmmmmmmm!?

[ableguy]

I think she's looking into goat farming for export to these countries.....!!

Maybe she has noticed one of the things missing in pattaya is having sex with goats on fire, I would advise dont leave the matches around for children to pick up, Come on dealing with another failed state ????? She is really proving to be one smart cookie

[ableguy]

How the hell can you expect Pakistan to help on defense when they cannot defend themselves from the Taliban. Their country is in complete turmoil and is dependent on America for support to the amount of billions of dollars

I think this is a BIG mistake for Thailand to get involved with Pakistan.

OH WELL GET OUT THE WELCOME SIGN FOR THE TALIBAN TO GET A FOOTHOLD IN THAILAND

So mr idian u want visit to india for help for defence who doing evety thing in pakistan.helping anti pakistan movement.who helping afghanistan militians?indin embasy in afghanistan helping anti pakistan groups.bomb attack near pakistan border.what happing in peshawer.

You do not have to look far to see who is supporting the Taliban> Just look at Iran and you will find who is supporting the Taliban and Hezbhullah and alQueda this is easy to figure out JUST FOLLOW THE MONEY it all trails back to Iran

Simply not true, Al Qaeda and Taliban are Sunni and in direct idealogical conflict with Iran. The primary supporters are Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. It has been alledged that Iranian elements do supply some weapons to the Taliban to support their efforts fighting ISAF.

Yak Yak Yak know all know nothing