Pmax Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I am looking for a good running Mercedes Benz Engine. V8 - 450, 500 or 560 ( M117 engine code ). Must be a KA - Jetronic ( 1975-81) and Euro Spec ( No D-Jet or KE- Jet, No USA Spec., No Low-compress. Export models - No Emmission cleaned - Cat-models). The good ones only . Euro Spec with full HP, No Cats. Full package with auto transmission, K-Jet, A/C, Generator, Ignition control as it is for a swap into another classic Benz with orig. 6 cyl.Benz K-Jet.engine. You got a heavy drinker V8 Benz and like to swap Lexus/Toyota V8 ( 1UZ-Fe ) or 1/2JZ ? I buy your V8 ! and can help you with the 1UZ ! , 1/2JZ You know someone who got a V8 and like to get rid of it ? You know a shop that got these beasts ? Contact me ! thank you Pmax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Google is usually pretty good, this may help a dunno. https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&ei=akhnUvSGJIKKrgf6v4GYCw#q=old+mercedes+v8+engine+thailand Not what you want but there's nice one for sale only 17,500,000 bahts cheap err ! Edited October 23, 2013 by Kwasaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmax Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 believe me, I googled almost every possible word-combo ! I visited every possible place, phoned whoever may know something and after 18 years in the country I do know a few guys. already done Jap-swaps are no option ! Not even the stereo in the car is made in Japan ! Difficult to find a good M117. Had a call from a Thai guy in Bangkok who may help. He got a few M117 engines out of UZ-swaps. Will see him next week. Sure it is a possibility to buy a complete car ( w116/W126), they are pretty cheap to get, 350.000B, and rip the heart out. But that will leave me with another unfinshed car in my garage. There are already a few, not to mention the bikes parked all over the house. The wife is not really happy about if bringing another one home. I am looking for an engine ! engine only. It is for a W123 coupe. The car is in perfect condition, with the original 280engine just a bit low on HP and torque . The car is for my daughter. She is working with me on car and bike engines since she is 12 and rebuilds , adjusts CIS fuel injection systems with her closed eyes. She got my genes and a Jap car is as much a no-go for her as new high-tech soulless monkey rides. I grown up with V8's, always had V8's and she will start with a V8 ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Bit harsh on a Jap V8. Ive had a Porche V8, Lexus V8,Rover V8, Holden V8,and the first V8 i had was a 280 S.E. 3.5. V8. The Lexus matched them all. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsie888 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Bit harsh on a Jap V8. Ive had a Porche V8, Lexus V8,Rover V8, Holden V8,and the first V8 i had was a 280 S.E. 3.5. V8. The Lexus matched them all. . Betters quite a few of them too AoP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmax Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 the lexus / toyo V8 (1UZ) is a great V8. Got one in a Grand Cherokee. Got nothing against Jap V8's, but in a Benz it is a NO-GO !I try to stay original as much as possible. Thats why I consider only engines that already exists the time the car was built. No problem to get a V8 of a w140 or later. But that's not the same age as the car. Back in Germany I would look for a 6.9 or a 560, they are widley available there,but thats to much to ask within Thailand.I am a bit picky - I know.Here's my cherokee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Long time ago ,but i remember the 3.5 Benz holding on to my friends Aston of that Year. Suprised me !1. Lexus was nice,but so bland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Long time ago ,but i remember the 3.5 Benz holding on to my friends Aston of that Year. Suprised me !1. Lexus was nice,but so bland. You guys have lost me, the only V8 I had was the Uk Rover and I loved it, come on trans where are you I am not convinced that a Merc V8 is as good as a Chevi V8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmax Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 What is a Rover ? they ever made it of the Island ? Chevy builds fine V8's, reliable and easy, cheap to tune. I love the carb. models. But, staying within my preferred year, mid 70's - early 80's - original set-up. Rover - 3,5 ltr. ~ 150hp Chevy - 5,7 ltr. ~ 150hp - 175hp Benz - 5,0 ltr. 240hp Benz - 5,6 ltr. 300hp 1975 Benz 6,9 ltr. - 286hp and 550 !! Nm torque even the Benz micro V8 - 3,5ltr. built from 71-80 got 200hp but, no chance for any euro V8 to reach to deep distinct rumble of any US V8. Different firing order makes any try just impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The Rover V8,was in fact a Buick , It tuned up very well from its base line 150. Chevy and Ford did go up to 7+ Litre, so my old 280 S.E. looked like an Eco Car next to a Jensen Interceptor. Nice Swap on the G.C. i might add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Long time ago ,but i remember the 3.5 Benz holding on to my friends Aston of that Year. Suprised me !1. Lexus was nice,but so bland. You guys have lost me, the only V8 I had was the Uk Rover and I loved it, come on trans where are you I am not convinced that a Merc V8 is as good as a Chevi V8. No time for us, hes got a job selling Tyre Pressure Gauges for T.Lotus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 What is a Rover ? they ever made it of the Island ? Chevy builds fine V8's, reliable and easy, cheap to tune. I love the carb. models. But, staying within my preferred year, mid 70's - early 80's - original set-up. Rover - 3,5 ltr. ~ 150hp Chevy - 5,7 ltr. ~ 150hp - 175hp Benz - 5,0 ltr. 240hp Benz - 5,6 ltr. 300hp 1975 Benz 6,9 ltr. - 286hp and 550 !! Nm torque even the Benz micro V8 - 3,5ltr. built from 71-80 got 200hp but, no chance for any euro V8 to reach to deep distinct rumble of any US V8. Different firing order makes any try just impossible. it's amazing what torque (500Nm) you get nowadays from a Benz 2.5L twin turbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmax Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 What is a Rover ? they ever made it of the Island ? Chevy builds fine V8's, reliable and easy, cheap to tune. I love the carb. models. But, staying within my preferred year, mid 70's - early 80's - original set-up. Rover - 3,5 ltr. ~ 150hp Chevy - 5,7 ltr. ~ 150hp - 175hp Benz - 5,0 ltr. 240hp Benz - 5,6 ltr. 300hp 1975 Benz 6,9 ltr. - 286hp and 550 !! Nm torque even the Benz micro V8 - 3,5ltr. built from 71-80 got 200hp but, no chance for any euro V8 to reach to deep distinct rumble of any US V8. Different firing order makes any try just impossible. it's amazing what torque (500Nm) you get nowadays from a Benz 2.5L twin turbo. that's true, but I doubt that any modern 2,5 ltr. super-duper-double-turbo FSI-Tdi-GTD whatever engine, will still turn wheels after 30 years+ + of working years ! 30, 40 years ago car manufacturers built engines as good and reliable as possible ! Nowadays as cheap as possible with a possible lifespan of a few month past the official warranty. 1975 a standard walmart toolbox and a 10 $ multimeter was all you need to fix any problem, nowadays you need computer diagnostic tools for thousands of $ just to find out whats wrong and another thousands $ for the replacement parts and special tools. 30, 40 years ago a hard to find non repairable engine was crushed, melted and good for tin cans, construction steel or other metal household items. Nowadays thousands of not dead but to expensive to repair engines are toxic waste. are we really going in the right direction ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomyway Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 that's true, but I doubt that any modern 2,5 ltr. super-duper-double-turbo FSI-Tdi-GTD whatever engine, will still turn wheels after 30 years+ + of working years !30, 40 years ago car manufacturers built engines as good and reliable as possible ! Nowadays as cheap as possible with a possible lifespan of a few month past the official warranty. 1975 a standard walmart toolbox and a 10 $ multimeter was all you need to fix any problem, nowadays you need computer diagnostic tools for thousands of $ just to find out whats wrong and another thousands $ for the replacement parts and special tools. 30, 40 years ago a hard to find non repairable engine was crushed, melted and good for tin cans, construction steel or other metal household items. Nowadays thousands of not dead but to expensive to repair engines are toxic waste. are we really going in the right direction ? How true - absolute nothing more to talk about (but at least the young people will never understand, b/c they don't know about this good "old" stuff). Good luck and success for your way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Shipping one in from Deutschland isn't an option? Not much tax at all if you went this route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmax Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 as my 6cyl. is running well, I am not in a hurry and check out the local market first. saves me shipping costs and tax ! but is is an option, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklev Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Todays cars last 200K with minimal maintenance. My Nissan requires 10,000 mile service intervals and I don't even bother opening the hood between servicings. You are right, I couldn't fix anything in it, but the likelihood of a problem in the first 100K is so far beyond anything pre-1990 it's like a comparing a 1966 Ford Fairlane to a, well, to a modern car. OK, I'm trolling, but really cars today are absolutely amazingly low maintenance and high durability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Todays cars last 200K with minimal maintenance. My Nissan requires 10,000 mile service intervals and I don't even bother opening the hood between servicings. You are right, I couldn't fix anything in it, but the likelihood of a problem in the first 100K is so far beyond anything pre-1990 it's like a comparing a 1966 Ford Fairlane to a, well, to a modern car. OK, I'm trolling, but really cars today are absolutely amazingly low maintenance and high durability. You should at-least lift the bonnet occasionally to check fuild levels (Engine Oil/Coolant, Transmission, Brake, Power Steering) because if any of those mechanicals die because they ran out/low on fluid you can kiss your warranty goodbye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerspiv Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 What's the problem with putting a 1UZ in Benz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmax Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 It's a Jap ! and was not available when the car was built ! a modern engine. Nothing against the UZ ! Great engine and I got one in the GC. But the Benz stays German ! I got no intention to sell but check the market, once you got a Jap engine in a Benz the Value drops significantly ! SE, SEL 100.000 Baht cheaper with 1UZ, SL and SLC 200.000 Baht cheaper. 1UZ engine are pretty cheap to get and the swap costs peanuts. The M117 Benz engine is 100% pure mechanic. No black box, ECU, No chip. Even the fuel injection is 100% mechanic. Can fix everything by myself with standard tools. Auto transmission works without blackbox, just vacuum, rpm and throttle position. It is a complete do it yourself package, very easy to maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Bit harsh on a Jap V8. Ive had a Porche V8, Lexus V8,Rover V8, Holden V8,and the first V8 i had was a 280 S.E. 3.5. V8. The Lexus matched them all. . Your not into tuning then....... ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsie888 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 the lexus / toyo V8 (1UZ) is a great V8. Got one in a Grand Cherokee. Got nothing against Jap V8's, but in a Benz it is a NO-GO ! I try to stay original as much as possible. Thats why I consider only engines that already exists the time the car was built. No problem to get a V8 of a w140 or later. But that's not the same age as the car. Back in Germany I would look for a 6.9 or a 560, they are widley available there,but thats to much to ask within Thailand. I am a bit picky - I know. Here's my cherokee Picture 032.jpg One of the nicest swaps i've seen in TH Most aren't very appealing to the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerspiv Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Could you fit a 1UZ into the ~1992 Holden Calais you sometimes see getting around in Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmax Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 Could you fit a 1UZ into the ~1992 Holden Calais you sometimes see getting around in Thailand? check with www.lextreme.com ! they are the UZ swap experts. If not, the Thai mech. makes it fit. I've seen UZ's in the smallest engine bays, here in T. The Guys in Bangkok are great with modifying and improvising. The Calais is a V6 mid size sedan ? Should be no problem. check the Diff ratios ! probably need to change too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I wouldn't mind having one of those 5.6 L V8's in my pick-up, but I DON'T think there is enough room between the suspension towers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmax Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 I wouldn't mind having one of those 5.6 L V8's in my pick-up, but I DON'T think there is enough room between the suspension towers! I assume your Pick Up is one of the Thailand sold Isuzu, Toyo, Nissan etc....? You won't find a 5.6 ltr. Benz V8 here in Thailand. I tried ! The 1UZ fits for sure ! get a later Version 96 or a post 96 VVTI. 260-280 hp are enough for any Light Pick Up Truck. Available and they are CHEAP ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Could you fit a 1UZ into the ~1992 Holden Calais you sometimes see getting around in Thailand? Plenty have done the UZ into Commodore swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Bit harsh on a Jap V8. Ive had a Porche V8, Lexus V8,Rover V8, Holden V8,and the first V8 i had was a 280 S.E. 3.5. V8. The Lexus matched them all. . Your not into tuning then....... ............ and the speliing of Porsche gives me the creeps. reminds me of the age old joke when a Porsche instead of a Porch was painted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I wouldn't mind having one of those 5.6 L V8's in my pick-up, but I DON'T think there is enough room between the suspension towers! Small block chevy will fit easy, or SB Ford. You can get a SB Chevy up to 7 litre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I wouldn't mind having one of those 5.6 L V8's in my pick-up, but I DON'T think there is enough room between the suspension towers! Small block chevy will fit easy, or SB Ford. You can get a SB Chevy up to 7 litre. Why would you suggest a (not common in Thailand) clunky old 2 valve pushrod engine when a multivalve overhead cam engine is in plentiful supply ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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