webfact Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 PM'S FULL SPEECHPrime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's speech on the amnesty billDear People,The country has sustained damage inflicted by political conflict for the past 10 years.After I was elected to take office, I believe every Thai citizen agreed the country would not move forward if the conflict persisted.When this government took office, I announced a clear policy to bring about reconciliation under the rule of law. Recently, I pushed to form a political-reform venue where all differing sides could join hands to mend fences and foster unity.Under the democratic principle of balanced sharing of powers, the government - particularly myself as the prime minister - has refrained from interfering with the legislature, as seen in the case of amending the Constitution.I have been wrongly accused of neglecting to perform my concurrent duty as MP when, in fact, I want the legislature to freely do its job.In regard to the recent House vote for the passage of the amnesty bill, which has spawned much public debate, it is a fact that countries, when mired in political conflict causing loss of lives and properties, would grant amnesty. Thailand should emulate the amnesty lesson.In principle, amnesty is an option worthy of consideration. If all sides agree to forgive each other, I believe the conflict would dissipate and the country would move on.It is to be regretted that hundreds of people were killed and thousands were injured in the political violence triggered by attempts to overthrow an elected government.Amnesty does not mean we should forget this painful lesson. We are obliged to learn and understand, so that our children would not face a repeat of such tragedies.In the meantime, we have to cooperate with one another to overcome the conflict and move the country forward.The resumption of peace means all sides must grant forgiveness - without bias or emotion - and be open-minded to allow the airing of dissenting opinions. I understand this is difficult to do, but we have to put the greater good before personal interest.As of today, the amnesty bill was passed by the House and forwarded to the Senate for deliberation. This is in accordance with normal legislative proceedings.Relevant parties have differing views on amnesty, spawning wide differences among sectors of society, institutions, and between and within political parties.Despite the House passage of the bill, several groups appear not ready to embrace forgiveness and are mired in differences.I don't want to see the politicisation of the bill with the aim of unseating the elected government and derailing democratic rule once again.The bill has been distorted to cause misunderstanding as a fiscal issue. I, as the prime minister, would have to endorse a fiscal-related bill, but I have never lent my signature to endorsing amnesty.More importantly, the bill is being portrayed as a whitewash of corruption, but this is beside the point. Amnesty is designed to absolve victims of the power seizure, which happened outside the rule of law, and those accused of committing offences related to life, physical injury and property.I reaffirm that the government will strive to serve the national interests and that it will not use its majority contrary to the people's feelings.I will heed the views of proponents and opponents. The government's main goal is to bring about reconciliation.In the face of prevailing differences, the government would like all sides to pause in order to stop causing further divisiveness.Under the Constitution, the bill is now under the purview of the Senate.I want to plead for the senators, those appointed and those elected, to use their discretion while deliberating the bill. It is well known that the Senate is beyond interference.So I hope the senators will deliberate on the bill on the basis of forgiveness and compassion so as to dispense justice equally for those with grievances and pain.The deliberation on amnesty should factor into the country's interest. Regardless of the outcome of the Senate's decision, be it to disagree with, to withhold or to revise the bill, I believe the Members of Parliament, who cast the vote for the bill's passage, will accept the result for the sake of reconciliation.The legislative procedures should prevail to completion and everyone should uphold this in order to safeguard the freedom of every Thai citizen.In conclusion, I would like to thank everyone in the legislature for striving to achieve reconciliation. It is now time for all Thai citizens to unite and decide on the way to bring about understanding without bias and emotion. Open-heartedness and compassion should be the basis to achieve reconciliation.Thank you.-- The Nation 2013-11-05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jaidam Posted November 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2013 Her prepared speech is offensive drivel for any educated observer. It's worth noting that her choice of clothing is very uncharismatic. Her peers have put more thought into a catchy wardrobe, like Big Bob M's flashy colorful suits or the Korean Kims natty boilersuits. Even her big brother tipped his hat to Idi Amin with the chestful of amart medals he used to like wearing. Come on Yingluk please put more thought into developing a defining uniform for the masses to associate you with for the rest of your clans reign. Image over substance, it can work in the right circumstances. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tatsujin Posted November 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2013 I'm sure that there are a number of (fabulous) people who will accept this at face value, however anyone with half a brain should be able to see this as the self-serving bullshit it really is. There's far too many sheep here. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ratcatcher Posted November 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2013 The caption on the advertising under the characters seems to refer to "Foot and Mouth" disease. I often wonder whether dear lady Poo suffers from the more common ailment affecting politicians, called "Foot In Mouth" disease. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ballpoint Posted November 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2013 It is to be regretted that hundreds of people were killed and thousands were injured in the political violence triggered by attempts to overthrow an elected government. So, she acknowledges that the redshirts were attempting to overthrow an elected government. Someone should tell their supporters here. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 So, who really wrote it, providing that she is a puppet, and totally inept at everything except maybe reciting french fashion brands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampolee Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 ballpoint post # 5 So, she acknowledges that the redshirts were attempting to overthrow an elected government. Someone should tell their supporters here. Indeed so true. However '' there are none so deaf as those who do not want to hear and none so blind as those that do not want to see.'' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) So this bill = reconcilliation and if you are against this bill, you are against reconcilliation? Right... Edited November 5, 2013 by pedro01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hawkman Posted November 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2013 Propaganda at its best. There will be some who won't be able to see through it though. To say such a speech, cries of desperation, are they panicking they won't get the senate vote or worried how the vote will go down with the public, if in their favor. Should have seen my Thai colleague's face, when she read it, "she is speaking to the nation as if we're stupid and lack intelligence". The worry now is, how many people in the senate have been influenced financially or politically. Shame, to see such a great country being taken advantage by such blatant corruption. Can't believe the cheek of this line " I understand this is difficult to do, but we have to put the greater good before personal interest." That's exactly what they are doing - putting a certain man's personal interest above the greater good. Hypocrites. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ricardo Posted November 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2013 "More importantly, the bill is being portrayed as a whitewash of corruption, but this is beside the point." No, this is entirely the point, and is all too true, so she will ignore it completely ! Yay for Red Anti-Corruption ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Her prepared speech is offensive drivel for any educated observer. It's worth noting that her choice of clothing is very uncharismatic. Her peers have put more thought into a catchy wardrobe, like Big Bob M's flashy colorful suits or the Korean Kims natty boilersuits. Even her big brother tipped his hat to Idi Amin with the chestful of amart medals he used to like wearing. Come on Yingluk please put more thought into developing a defining uniform for the masses to associate you with for the rest of your clans reign. Image over substance, it can work in the right circumstances. You think she should be wearing more colourful clothing whilst the nation is in a state of official mourning??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyPinkham Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Two guesses as to who wrote that speech! and the first one doesn't count! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinchester Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 "More importantly, the bill is being portrayed as a whitewash of corruption, but this is beside the point." No, this is entirely the point, and is all too true, so she will ignore it completely ! Yay for Red Anti-Corruption ! More than any ither tgat one sentence also jumped out at me. An incredible thing to say. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry1011 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I think that you guys are really stuck in "anger" mode. Whatever is said or done your comments won't vary. Always the same comments coming again and again and again... and again. This country is at a standstill because of the hatred of some people for only one man. Astonishing. Hopefully there are some more mature people who can put aside the anger to find solutions. Sent from my iPhone... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 "More importantly, the bill is being portrayed as a whitewash of corruption, but this is beside the point." If that is a true translation of what she said, then it has to be the quote of the year ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 So, who really wrote it, providing that she is a puppet, and totally inept at everything except maybe reciting french fashion brands. Probably Lt Sunisa, the young lady between Kittirat & Yingluck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 When this government took office, I announced a clear policy to bring about reconciliation under the rule of law. Recently, I pushed to form a political-reform venue where all differing sides could join hands to mend fences and foster unity. Do she run her election campaign on the back of this amnesty bill ? If not then I would hardly call her election into office a mandate, as she implies in her speech, to grant amnesty to individuals on behalf of the people of Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post klubex99 Posted November 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) Dear People,The country has sustained damage inflicted by political conflict for the past 10 years. Mostly at the hands of your brother.After I was elected to take office, I believe every Thai citizen agreed the country would not move forward if the conflict persisted. Most of the conflict during your term has been against you governments stupid failing policies.When this government took office, I announced a clear policy to bring about reconciliation under the rule of law. Recently, I pushed to form a political-reform venue where all differing sides could join hands to mend fences and foster unity. But you are circumventing the 'rule of law' in every conceivable way.Under the democratic principle of balanced sharing of powers, the government - particularly myself as the prime minister - has refrained from interfering with the legislature, as seen in the case of amending the Constitution. Come again??I have been wrongly accused of neglecting to perform my concurrent duty as MP when, in fact, I want the legislature to freely do its job. Rightly accused.In regard to the recent House vote for the passage of the amnesty bill, which has spawned much public debate, it is a fact that countries, when mired in political conflict causing loss of lives and properties, would grant amnesty. Thailand should emulate the amnesty lesson. You mean spawned much 'public outrage'.... there is a difference. It is a fact that corrupt nations and banana republics would grant amnesty and Thailand should NOT emulate this.In principle, amnesty is an option worthy of consideration. If all sides agree to forgive each other, I believe the conflict would dissipate and the country would move on. Pie in the sky.It is to be regretted that hundreds of people were killed and thousands were injured in the political violence triggered by attempts to overthrow an elected government.Amnesty does not mean we should forget this painful lesson. We are obliged to learn and understand, so that our children would not face a repeat of such tragedies. While amnesty is a 'get out of jail free card'... our children WILL face a repeat of such tragedies.In the meantime, we have to cooperate with one another to overcome the conflict and move the country forward. Not going to happen.... wake up.The resumption of peace means all sides must grant forgiveness - without bias or emotion - and be open-minded to allow the airing of dissenting opinions. I understand this is difficult to do, but we have to put the greater good before personal interest. Why not make it a real 'blanket amnesty' then and empty the prisons?As of today, the amnesty bill was passed by the House and forwarded to the Senate for deliberation. This is in accordance with normal legislative proceedings.Relevant parties have differing views on amnesty, spawning wide differences among sectors of society, institutions, and between and within political parties. Wide differences within PTP?.... 310-0 and 4 abstentions.Despite the House passage of the bill, several groups appear not ready to embrace forgiveness and are mired in differences. several? ..... Try several hundred groups.I don't want to see the politicisation of the bill with the aim of unseating the elected government and derailing democratic rule once again. YOU started all this. It;s a political amnesty.... how the hell could it not be politicised?? The bill has been distorted to cause misunderstanding as a fiscal issue. I, as the prime minister, would have to endorse a fiscal-related bill, but I have never lent my signature to endorsing amnesty. Yup.... But luckily everyone saw straight through your attempt to distort it, a bit like an elephant hiding behind a blade of grass. More importantly, the bill is being portrayed as a whitewash of corruption, but this is beside the point. Amnesty is designed to absolve victims of the power seizure, which happened outside the rule of law, and those accused of committing offences related to life, physical injury and property. If it looks like shit, and it smells like shit.......I reaffirm that the government will strive to serve the national interests and that it will not use its majority contrary to the people's feelings. Self-interests you mean.I will heed the views of proponents and opponents. The government's main goal is to bring about reconciliation. The governments main goal is to bring about a whitewash for Thaksin everything else is willing collateral loss. In the face of prevailing differences, the government would like all sides to pause in order to stop causing further divisiveness. Because you can see that this bill is spiraling the wrong direction to what you thought it would do.Under the Constitution, the bill is now under the purview of the Senate.I want to plead for the senators, those appointed and those elected, to use their discretion while deliberating the bill. It is well known that the Senate is beyond interference. But you will already be trying to interfere and corrupt the senate.So I hope the senators will deliberate on the bill on the basis of forgiveness and compassion so as to dispense justice equally for those with grievances and pain. The senate is there to uphold the constitution at all cost, not sympathise.The deliberation on amnesty should factor into the country's interest. Regardless of the outcome of the Senate's decision, be it to disagree with, to withhold or to revise the bill, I believe the Members of Parliament, who cast the vote for the bill's passage, will accept the result for the sake of reconciliation. No other choice really is there? The legislative procedures should prevail to completion and everyone should uphold this in order to safeguard the freedom of every Thai citizen. No comment. In conclusion, I would like to thank everyone in the legislature for striving to achieve reconciliation. It is now time for all Thai citizens to unite and decide on the way to bring about understanding without bias and emotion. Open-heartedness and compassion should be the basis to achieve reconciliation. So lets have justice done, and jail; all those responsible for political crimes. You can start by applying for the extradition of your brother if you want to show the people that you are sincere about what is best for the Thais.Thank you. 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Popular Post klubex99 Posted November 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2013 I think that you guys are really stuck in "anger" mode. Whatever is said or done your comments won't vary. Always the same comments coming again and again and again... and again. This country is at a standstill because of the hatred of some people for only one man. Astonishing. Hopefully there are some more mature people who can put aside the anger to find solutions. Sent from my iPhone... Nothing to do with anger. The only solution is to see justice done. That is what everyone on here is saying, no anger in that. The only anger I see, is that YOU get angry every time someone comments in a way that does not fit your own personal narrative. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bigbamboo Posted November 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) I think that you guys are really stuck in "anger" mode. Whatever is said or done your comments won't vary. Always the same comments coming again and again and again... and again. This country is at a standstill because of the hatred of some people for only one man. Astonishing. Hopefully there are some more mature people who can put aside the anger to find solutions. Sent from my iPhone... The country CAN move forward if three things happen. 1 The de facto PM stands down. 2 A referendum is held on the government's chosen amnesty bill. 3 The courts decide who is guilty of coup crimes not the politicians or the shirted ones. Pray to your chosen god for Thailand. Edited November 5, 2013 by bigbamboo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culicine Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Both 'sides' need t forgive and forget? Pray tell WHO are these sides? Thaksin and his cronies vs other elites? And where do ordinary citizens fit in? Because PT won an election does not give them carte blanche to do whatever they please. Many people from all walks of life are very upset by this amnesty bill. Hopefully the Senate will throw it back in their faces to be completely rewritten. After the fiasco in 2001 with the Constitutional Court, I don't trust them to squash this bill if it gets that far. 5/4 was such a beautiful number. I would expect the same this time around, if the judges are gotten at. Hopefully sense will prevail - I really worry for the youth of this country and the role model they are setting for our children. How can anyone tell them to obey any kind of rule, when politicians can just whitewash themselves at will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABloke Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I love the well-timed wording on the ticker below her - sums up a problem many Shins have... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hawkman Posted November 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2013 I think that you guys are really stuck in "anger" mode. Whatever is said or done your comments won't vary. Always the same comments coming again and again and again... and again. This country is at a standstill because of the hatred of some people for only one man. Astonishing. Hopefully there are some more mature people who can put aside the anger to find solutions. Sent from my iPhone... So, what is the solution, then? What is mature, about putting one man's interests above the country and it's people? Why is it a solution to whitewash a man's crimes, who causes such a divide amongst all Thais? That's not a solution that is worsening the situation. A solution would be a start where the country and it's people are put first, not one man. I really can't believe someone could be so brainwashed by a speech like you seem to have. It's a complete joke. Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottocus Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) The real turning point will be when the prophecy comes true. Then there will be a lot of blood. Edited November 5, 2013 by nottocus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSmiles Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I think that you guys are really stuck in "anger" mode. Whatever is said or done your comments won't vary. Always the same comments coming again and again and again... and again. This country is at a standstill because of the hatred of some people for only one man. Astonishing. Hopefully there are some more mature people who can put aside the anger to find solutions. Sent from my iPhone... So you think the anger on Thaivisa is the cause of the country's stand still ? I doubt so. I think it has more to do with the feelings of the majority of the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry1011 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) I think that you guys are really stuck in "anger" mode. Whatever is said or done your comments won't vary. Always the same comments coming again and again and again... and again. This country is at a standstill because of the hatred of some people for only one man. Astonishing. Hopefully there are some more mature people who can put aside the anger to find solutions. Sent from my iPhone... So, what is the solution, then? What is mature, about putting one man's interests above the country and it's people? Why is it a solution to whitewash a man's crimes, who causes such a divide amongst all Thais? That's not a solution that is worsening the situation. A solution would be a start where the country and it's people are put first, not one man. I really can't believe someone could be so brainwashed by a speech like you seem to have. It's a complete joke. Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app "A solution would be a start where the country and it's people are put first, not one man" A very good start would be to stop being obsessed by that "one man". Someone like you can hardly speak about putting the country first, when in fact the one and only important factor is to put down only one man. I do believe that all the people who think about the country should sit together. But the Dems are not ready to put the country first. They prefer to continue to fight... Just to bring down that one man. It's just not mature. Certainly not wise. Sent from my iPhone... Edited November 5, 2013 by gerry1011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Thanks for explaining the need for amnesty Yingluck, it sounds so much more corrupt the way you describe it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkman Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) I think that you guys are really stuck in "anger" mode. Whatever is said or done your comments won't vary. Always the same comments coming again and again and again... and again. This country is at a standstill because of the hatred of some people for only one man. Astonishing. Hopefully there are some more mature people who can put aside the anger to find solutions. Sent from my iPhone... So, what is the solution, then?What is mature, about putting one man's interests above the country and it's people? Why is it a solution to whitewash a man's crimes, who causes such a divide amongst all Thais? That's not a solution that is worsening the situation. A solution would be a start where the country and it's people are put first, not one man. I really can't believe someone could be so brainwashed by a speech like you seem to have. It's a complete joke. Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app "A solution would be a start where the country and it's people are put first, not one man"A very good start would be to stop being obsessed by that "one man". Someone like you can hardly speak about putting the country first, when in fact the one and only important factor is to put down only one man. I do believe that all the people who think about the country should sit together. But the Dems are not ready to put the country first. They prefer to continue to fight... Just to bring down that one man. It's just not mature. Certainly not wise. Sent from my iPhone... You say the dems and us shouldn't focus on "one man" - so what are pheu Thai doing? You can't have it both ways tell one side not to focus on one man but at the same time expect to put one man ahead of the country. That's just being hypocritical. I have yet to meet someone who actually hates Thaksin; I have zero hatred for him. What I do hate is corruption; brainwashing the people and exploiting the people all for power and ego. Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Edited November 5, 2013 by Hawkman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLew Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Hey ... look out the window ... what do you see? .........Turn on the TV ... what do you see? You surely are smart enough to see this bill has zero chance to reunite Thailand By adopting this bill you are saying 'screw you Thailand and screw you Thai people" 100% useless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkman Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 How about this for a solution? The Dems agree to stop all anti-Thaksin agenda and sit down and openly discuss the way forward with PT. In response, PT stop trying to amend laws to benefit one man and Thaskin legally signs that he is withdrawing from Politics and to let PT run without him. If he still wishes to return then come back and face Legal proceedings. This way, the country wins, PT as a government can work on the country and focus on its people and the Dems can focus on being an opposition party and the people can focus on themselves and not one man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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