I thought I had seen everything on Thai roads

[hellodolly]

So when you stop, and do as much as you can to help the person, phone for Ambulance and get them to hospital, what will you do then, when you get handed the Bill for being the good Samaritan?

No you will be fingered for causing the accident!! Police arrive there instantly on ya like white on rice and before you know it your bending over being violated at the closest ATM!!

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Well I have read a lot of pro and con here. Not sure what I would do. From the description in the OP I thought the guy would have been killed. Would I take the chance and get the blame for it I don't think so.The article said

The hapless motorcyclist went under both wheels of the pick-up and was left laying in the middle of the road, the pick-up just sped away.

Part of the problem for me is I read to many posts that say I would such as yours but have no experience with it happening to you just more rumors. Then I read where some people have stopped and helped and not got blamed.

When are we going to here where some one actually stopped to help in an accident and got blamed for it from the person who did stop to help some one and got blamed for it?

Maybe I am just gullible enough to listen to the rumors and while not actually believing them to all be true enough to stop and think about them first.

[adweb00]

So when you stop, and do as much as you can to help the person, phone for Ambulance and get them to hospital, what will you do then, when you get handed the Bill for being the good Samaritan?

No you will be fingered for causing the accident!! Police arrive there instantly on ya like white on rice and before you know it your bending over being violated at the closest ATM!!Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Well I have read a lot of pro and con here. Not sure what I would do. From the description in the OP I thought the guy would have been killed. Would I take the chance and get the blame for it I don't think so.The article said

The hapless motorcyclist went under both wheels of the pick-up and was left laying in the middle of the road, the pick-up just sped away.

Part of the problem for me is I read to many posts that say I would such as yours but have no experience with it happening to you just more rumors. Then I read where some people have stopped and helped and not got blamed. When are we going to here where some one actually stopped to help in an accident and got blamed for it from the person who did stop to help some one and got blamed for it? Maybe I am just gullible enough to listen to the rumors and while not actually believing them to all be true enough to stop and think about them first.

As i first stated my instincts is to always stop and help if i can do anything. Just not in this country! After 2 friends actually went thru the whole blame then scam scenario kinda cemented it for me!

[Commander Tamson]

I can provide all the documentary evidence anybody wants, to back up what happened to me at Song Kran 2010:

Was doing an overnight drive from Bangkok to Ubon in an SUV. It was about 4:30am and had just arrived on main road into Ubon; saw some flashing red lights ahead and someone in the road waving a red-light stick. Slowed down and stopped; lowered the passenger window, but they were just slowing me down and waved me on. Didn't take too much notice of what was going on, but saw a couple of ambulances there, a car, a motorbike, and some people crowded round something on the ground. About a kilometer up the road, was t-boned by a drunk in a pick-up. Car was undrivable. Waiting then for the police, insurance, tow truck (& GF) etc to arrive, when suddenly the police did arrive with host of people in tow and all shouting and pointing at me. Seemingly there were 4 witnesses who saw me drive over, and kill, a road sweeper a km back down the road and then speed off. Unbelievable! Denied the whole thing of course, but was arrested and charged. Got the insurance lawyers involved, the British Embassy and even hired my own lawyers. Everyone, including the Embassy, to begin with, said I should just admit guilt - the insurance company would pay and I would 'probably' get a small fine. In any other country, a fatal hit & run is manslaughter, and I wasn't having that on my record, even if Thailand law said it was a lessor charge. To cut a very long long story short, 3 years later I was acquitted of the whole thing. All the forensic evidence was in my favour, but what really clinched it was that my lawyer managed to track down the ambulance drivers at the original scene and who remembered me stopping. Three f'ing years, during which time I had to put up 300k baht bail and had restrictions on my passport, whereby I was interviewed each time I wanted to leave/enter the country. Still don't have my money back - some certificate from the court has yet to be signed seemingly - might be a nice Christmas present! I was asked if I wanted to now bring counter charges, but after 3 years I just want it all ended.

And would I now still stop if I saw an accident? - I think I'd have an accident with GF if I did. My earlier motorbike tale just lended credence to any resolve I may have had.

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[adweb00]

I can provide all the documentary evidence anybody wants, to back up what happened to me at Song Kran 2010:

Was doing an overnight drive from Bangkok to Ubon in an SUV. It was about 4:30am and had just arrived on main road into Ubon; saw some flashing red lights ahead and someone in the road waving a red-light stick. Slowed down and stopped; lowered the passenger window, but they were just slowing me down and waved me on. Didn't take too much notice of what was going on, but saw a couple of ambulances there, a car, a motorbike, and some people crowded round something on the ground. About a kilometer up the road, was t-boned by a drunk in a pick-up. Car was undrivable. Waiting then for the police, insurance, tow truck (& GF) etc to arrive, when suddenly the police did arrive with host of people in tow and all shouting and pointing at me. Seemingly there were 4 witnesses who saw me drive over, and kill, a road sweeper a km back down the road and then speed off. Unbelievable! Denied the whole thing of course, but was arrested and charged. Got the insurance lawyers involved, the British Embassy and even hired my own lawyers. Everyone, including the Embassy, to begin with, said I should just admit guilt - the insurance company would pay and I would 'probably' get a small fine. In any other country, a fatal hit & run is manslaughter, and I wasn't having that on my record, even if Thailand law said it was a lessor charge. To cut a very long long story short, 3 years later I was acquitted of the whole thing. All the forensic evidence was in my favour, but what really clinched it was that my lawyer managed to track down the ambulance drivers at the original scene and who remembered me stopping. Three f'ing years, during which time I had to put up 300k baht bail and had restrictions on my passport, whereby I was interviewed each time I wanted to leave/enter the country. Still don't have my money back - some certificate from the court has yet to be signed seemingly - might be a nice Christmas present! I was asked if I wanted to now bring counter charges, but after 3 years I just want it all ended.

And would I now still stop if I saw an accident? - I think I'd have an accident with GF if I did. My earlier motorbike tale just lended credence to any resolve I may have had.

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This is just total bullshit!! Understand that you must of had a gutfull but counter charges and a win would feel soooo good i imagine. Maybe you could be in one of those pics where you are pointing at the real crooks

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[lensta]

So when you stop, and do as much as you can to help the person, phone for Ambulance and get them to hospital, what will you do then, when you get handed the Bill for being the good Samaritan?

No you will be fingered for causing the accident!! Police arrive there instantly on ya like white on rice and before you know it your bending over being violated at the closest ATM!!

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Well I have read a lot of pro and con here. Not sure what I would do. From the description in the OP I thought the guy would have been killed. Would I take the chance and get the blame for it I don't think so.The article said

The hapless motorcyclist went under both wheels of the pick-up and was left laying in the middle of the road, the pick-up just sped away.

Part of the problem for me is I read to many posts that say I would such as yours but have no experience with it happening to you just more rumors. Then I read where some people have stopped and helped and not got blamed.

When are we going to here where some one actually stopped to help in an accident and got blamed for it from the person who did stop to help some one and got blamed for it?

Maybe I am just gullible enough to listen to the rumors and while not actually believing them to all be true enough to stop and think about them first.

I have also heard that people get blamed for the accident when they stop to help, I do not know if this is true or not. In western countries there is a thing called "duty of care", which means that it is your duty top stop and help at an accident. In Thailand the law states that only trained people can administer medical assistance at an accident. For instance if you moved a person and the person died the family could try to blame you for the death and extort money from you. Not sure if you would be charged with anything by the police.

[Benmart]

but still on the actual other thread about road accident,

the apologist claims -that thai people dont stopping- is just a myth that you only hear on a barstool...

Now we know we should never rely on the apologist...

Nothing better than slapping a label on something we disagree with and don't understand.

Opposing views sometimes reveal our shallow thinking.

Live and let live

[Commander Tamson]

I can provide all the documentary evidence anybody wants, to back up what happened to me at Song Kran 2010:

Was doing an overnight drive from Bangkok to Ubon in an SUV. It was about 4:30am and had just arrived on main road into Ubon; saw some flashing red lights ahead and someone in the road waving a red-light stick. Slowed down and stopped; lowered the passenger window, but they were just slowing me down and waved me on. Didn't take too much notice of what was going on, but saw a couple of ambulances there, a car, a motorbike, and some people crowded round something on the ground. About a kilometer up the road, was t-boned by a drunk in a pick-up. Car was undrivable. Waiting then for the police, insurance, tow truck (& GF) etc to arrive, when suddenly the police did arrive with host of people in tow and all shouting and pointing at me. Seemingly there were 4 witnesses who saw me drive over, and kill, a road sweeper a km back down the road and then speed off. Unbelievable! Denied the whole thing of course, but was arrested and charged. Got the insurance lawyers involved, the British Embassy and even hired my own lawyers. Everyone, including the Embassy, to begin with, said I should just admit guilt - the insurance company would pay and I would 'probably' get a small fine. In any other country, a fatal hit & run is manslaughter, and I wasn't having that on my record, even if Thailand law said it was a lessor charge. To cut a very long long story short, 3 years later I was acquitted of the whole thing. All the forensic evidence was in my favour, but what really clinched it was that my lawyer managed to track down the ambulance drivers at the original scene and who remembered me stopping. Three f'ing years, during which time I had to put up 300k baht bail and had restrictions on my passport, whereby I was interviewed each time I wanted to leave/enter the country. Still don't have my money back - some certificate from the court has yet to be signed seemingly - might be a nice Christmas present! I was asked if I wanted to now bring counter charges, but after 3 years I just want it all ended.

And would I now still stop if I saw an accident? - I think I'd have an accident with GF if I did. My earlier motorbike tale just lended credence to any resolve I may have had.

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This is just total bullshit!! Understand that you must of had a gutfull but counter charges and a win would feel soooo good i imagine. Maybe you could be in one of those pics where you are pointing at the real crooks

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The real crooks were the police. Whoever did the crime had good connections. One of the police even completely changed his story on the witness stand - not an eye was blinked!

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[Benmart]

I can provide all the documentary evidence anybody wants, to back up what happened to me at Song Kran 2010:

Was doing an overnight drive from Bangkok to Ubon in an SUV. It was about 4:30am and had just arrived on main road into Ubon; saw some flashing red lights ahead and someone in the road waving a red-light stick. Slowed down and stopped; lowered the passenger window, but they were just slowing me down and waved me on. Didn't take too much notice of what was going on, but saw a couple of ambulances there, a car, a motorbike, and some people crowded round something on the ground. About a kilometer up the road, was t-boned by a drunk in a pick-up. Car was undrivable. Waiting then for the police, insurance, tow truck (& GF) etc to arrive, when suddenly the police did arrive with host of people in tow and all shouting and pointing at me. Seemingly there were 4 witnesses who saw me drive over, and kill, a road sweeper a km back down the road and then speed off. Unbelievable! Denied the whole thing of course, but was arrested and charged. Got the insurance lawyers involved, the British Embassy and even hired my own lawyers. Everyone, including the Embassy, to begin with, said I should just admit guilt - the insurance company would pay and I would 'probably' get a small fine. In any other country, a fatal hit & run is manslaughter, and I wasn't having that on my record, even if Thailand law said it was a lessor charge. To cut a very long long story short, 3 years later I was acquitted of the whole thing. All the forensic evidence was in my favour, but what really clinched it was that my lawyer managed to track down the ambulance drivers at the original scene and who remembered me stopping. Three f'ing years, during which time I had to put up 300k baht bail and had restrictions on my passport, whereby I was interviewed each time I wanted to leave/enter the country. Still don't have my money back - some certificate from the court has yet to be signed seemingly - might be a nice Christmas present! I was asked if I wanted to now bring counter charges, but after 3 years I just want it all ended.

And would I now still stop if I saw an accident? - I think I'd have an accident with GF if I did. My earlier motorbike tale just lended credence to any resolve I may have had.

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This is just total bullshit!! Understand that you must of had a gutfull but counter charges and a win would feel soooo good i imagine. Maybe you could be in one of those pics where you are pointing at the real crooks

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Oh dear! The language and hate is overwhelming. Confusing to say the least.

[Hedghog]

Op.

Sorry mate,but you didn't see the event on the road,as it happened.

Only CC TV footage,from a broadcaster,hardly an eye witness.

[papa al]

Maybe if you are killed in a wreck that is your karma.

Maybe you will be reincarnated soon for another go.

I dunno.

I don't understand Buddhism that well.

[jpeg]

Sorry to say but this kind of callousness is the hallmark of the Thai, maybe all Asian cultures in fact. I lived here for quite a while, some time ago and have just returned temporarily and already I am stressed from the sheer brutality and lack of compassion that is everywhere. Worst most inconsiderate drivers in the world. I think it's the fatalistic Buddhist influence coupled with stupidity from a dismal education.

Beg to differ. I HAVE seen the pic of some SUV driving Thai guy wiping down his illegally parked (Fortuna drivers ) whilst my visiting English friend was trying to get out of further harms way after having summersaulted, bike and all, on the highway to hell that is the notorious Vichit Road here on Phuket, (no, he couldn't believe it either), over the bloody thing. No one paid any attention apart from a few locals enjoying a beer at the side of the road, who offered him one

However, another friend (farang) was dragged from their car and deposited in an ambulance (by a group of Thais) after the wheel had fallen off their hire car. Folks are different from other folks.

So in answer to your question, broadly speaking, NO, not all Thais/Asians are alike,(same we farang, thank God), but, if I were Custer midst the Indians, let the Indians get on with sorting themselves out.

[thonglorjimmy]

Op.

Sorry mate,but you didn't see the event on the road,as it happened.

Only CC TV footage,from a broadcaster,hardly an eye witness.

I never claimed to be an eye witness, I was very clear in my post that I saw the CCTV footage of the incident on TV and that it sickened me.

They showed the clip a number of times, I got the impression it sickened the TV presenters as well..

Not really sure what point you're trying to make.

[taotoo]

And would I now still stop if I saw an accident?

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But if you hadn't stopped, then you wouldn't have had a witness, and you would have been convicted, no?

[Commander Tamson]

And would I now still stop if I saw an accident?

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But if you hadn't stopped, then you wouldn't have had a witness, and you would have been convicted, no?

No ! Because I wouldn't have lowered the passenger window; they wouldn't have seen it was a Farang. I wasn't the only car to have passed the incident, nor the only car at my own later accident - it blocked the road. Regardless, the forensic evidence alone would have had thrown out of any other court - as the appeal trial said it should have been. That trial was heard in Bangkok. The reason mine dragged on and on was precisely because I was an obviously rich Farang and everyone thought they could get a slice of the cake.

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[taotoo]

Gotcha.

[Commander Tamson]

Gotcha.

????

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[Chivas]

Quite simply I would have stopped and tried to help the Guy no matter what anyone else thinks.

[allucero]

IF YOU ARE A FORONG DO NOT STOP, YOU MIGHT BE THE CAUSE OF THIS ACCIDENT AND END UP IN JAIL. HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN THAILAND!!!

[adweb00]

Quite simply I would have stopped and tried to help the Guy no matter what anyone else thinks.

Going off your pic you would have no problem stopping may even provide lunch and a cool drink

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[Chivas]

Quite simply I would have stopped and tried to help the Guy no matter what anyone else thinks.

Going off your pic you would have no problem stopping may even provide lunch and a cool drink

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Wife....

[adweb00]

Quite simply I would have stopped and tried to help the Guy no matter what anyone else thinks.

Going off your pic you would have no problem stopping may even provide lunch and a cool drink

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Wife....

Ahh is why assumption is the mother of all stuff ups

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[taotoo]

Gotcha.

????

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I got you/I understand you/gotcha.

[taotoo]

Quite simply I would have stopped and tried to help the Guy no matter what anyone else thinks.

Going off your pic you would have no problem stopping may even provide lunch and a cool drink

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Wife....

Your wife's photo is quite popular on the internet.

[JungleBiker]

I've stopped 3 times in the past - all motorbike accidents - all within a couple of kilometres of each other not far from my home - I never got blamed by anyone.

I think the first guy later died. He'd run his motorbike into the back of a badly parked and virtually invisible motorbike at the side of the road in the dark.

The second suffered serious brain damage. He got hit while crossing some traffic lights - I don't know who was in the wrong but the driver had stopped and asked my wife to be a witness to say the motorcyclist had gone through a red light, yet we had arrived after the accident had happened! My wife refused.

The third recovered from his hangover (he was drunk and had gone off the road into a ditch).

I also heard about another drunk guy who drove his motorbike into a ditch just opposite our house and died in the ditch; he was found the next morning. But I wasn't around at the time.

Mind you, I did get blamed one time but that was because I did cause the accident! (Thankfully nobody was hurt).

I have also been the victim of 4 road accidents in Thailand and Laos and suffered fractured bones on 3 of those occasions; none of those accidents was my fault. In 2 of those cases, the drivers "hit and run"; one of them was tracked down because a witness had kindly noted the registration number and handed it to me. In one of the other accidents, the driver (motorbike rider) who came out of side street and T-boned me did not run but tried to blame me. Due to the location and position of our vehicles it was obvious who was at fault and the police knew they couldn't pin the blame on me.

[FarangKino]

I've only got 6 [more] words to say:

Dash Cams Dash Cams Dash Cams

[FarangKino]

I've only got 6 [more] words to say:

Dash Cams Dash Cams Dash Cams

[Scottythai]

Only time in Bangkok I have actually seen the accident was a Motorbike Taxi with a University girl sitting side saddle on the phone and trying to do Makeup all together. A second motorbike was trying to weave between cars. First guy swerved and she was deposited onto the street, as he was going a fair clip she was scraped up pretty bad. Motorbike 1 did not stop. The guy on the 2nd motorbike and me helped her to the sidewalk where she was crying her eyes out. Lots of people gathered and I went on my way. Not 1 person said it was me.

[Chivas]

Quite simply I would have stopped and tried to help the Guy no matter what anyone else thinks.

Going off your pic you would have no problem stopping may even provide lunch and a cool drink

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Wife....

Your wife's photo is quite popular on the internet.

Better not be,,,,

[taotoo]

Fraid so. I'll spare you the links.

Do you make a point of booking flights that she will be on? Only you're sitting down and she's in uniform.

[adweb00]

Fraid so. I'll spare you the links.

Do you make a point of booking flights that she will be on? Only you're sitting down and she's in uniform.

Ha ha ha think the word is owned!! Hahaha

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