Thai govt threatens to seize assets of sponsors of anti-govt rallies

[Pimay1]

Companies that take government contracts would be the first to know the level of corruption in any administration and whether their company is being given especially harsh treatment for backing a previous administration.

The threat today to go after the monied backers is one of the few course they imagine they have left.

But it has yet to be shown that the protestors are being paid to protest,

which was demonstrated several times in the Red Shirt protests.

When you are losing money more with one maladministration than with another, you favor the one you lose the least with.

It is a natural business strategy.

Another business strategy is to hire 'Perception Management' shills, in a boiler room somewhere,

to sow disinformation, and attempt to make 'legitimate public grievances'

sound like 'political manipulations for profits'. Reducing the legitimate to an attempted parody.

We see that happening again the last few weeks. And when this has happened in the past,

things got rather ugly, coming from the current maladministration's cronies of course.

It started when the amnesty debate looked seriously ready to pass, and has grown louder,

and with more obvious players here, whom we usually never see on TVF, saying the same things

with slightly different wordings, as if it were some ground swell of the common man.

A underhanded tactic, but one employed regularly.

Well I came on Thaivisa to state that I disagreed with the changes made to the Amnesty Bill at the time.

It was a crazy and arrogant decision by Thaksin and it gave the Dems a golden opportunity to attack PTP.

They couldn't pass it up.

The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote.

The original intent was to release some 180 red shirts many who remain in prison without charge or have ludicrously long prison sentences and whilst the charged yellow shirts remain at large.

No wonder Abhisit is clutching at straws to suggest the bill can be re-introduced in 180 days.

"He wouldn't let it lie."

We've seen Thai airways staff allowed off work to protest. Chula and Thammasat students and staff,medical groups led by Dr Tul, the madcap, government workers and what I saw a week ago in Siam looked like Hi-so's with their guards, gardeners and maids

The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote.

Can you back up your claim with facts that red shirts represent 50% of the population? I'm not trying to wind you up I would just like to know how you arrived at this percentage.

[dru2]

Companies that take government contracts would be the first to know the level of corruption in any administration and whether their company is being given especially harsh treatment for backing a previous administration.

The threat today to go after the monied backers is one of the few course they imagine they have left.

But it has yet to be shown that the protestors are being paid to protest,

which was demonstrated several times in the Red Shirt protests.

When you are losing money more with one maladministration than with another, you favor the one you lose the least with.

It is a natural business strategy.

Another business strategy is to hire 'Perception Management' shills, in a boiler room somewhere,

to sow disinformation, and attempt to make 'legitimate public grievances'

sound like 'political manipulations for profits'. Reducing the legitimate to an attempted parody.

We see that happening again the last few weeks. And when this has happened in the past,

things got rather ugly, coming from the current maladministration's cronies of course.

It started when the amnesty debate looked seriously ready to pass, and has grown louder,

and with more obvious players here, whom we usually never see on TVF, saying the same things

with slightly different wordings, as if it were some ground swell of the common man.

A underhanded tactic, but one employed regularly.

Well I came on Thaivisa to state that I disagreed with the changes made to the Amnesty Bill at the time.

It was a crazy and arrogant decision by Thaksin and it gave the Dems a golden opportunity to attack PTP.

They couldn't pass it up.

The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote.

The original intent was to release some 180 red shirts many who remain in prison without charge or have ludicrously long prison sentences and whilst the charged yellow shirts remain at large.

No wonder Abhisit is clutching at straws to suggest the bill can be re-introduced in 180 days.

"He wouldn't let it lie."

We've seen Thai airways staff allowed off work to protest. Chula and Thammasat students and staff,medical groups led by Dr Tul, the madcap, government workers and what I saw a week ago in Siam looked like Hi-so's with their guards, gardeners and maids

Don't like High Society people, eh? Don't like the knobs, Mr. Parrot? Farang prai with a chip on our shoulder, are we? Well the entire Thaksin clan are amart, so get used to it. This is Thailand, and if Thai prai don't count, Farang prai wannabees certainly count for still less.

[fab4]

Pracha "had received information about the alleged mobilisation of the' unemployed and drug addicts" from upcountry to boost the protests" How than can be ? Thaksin eliminated poverty and got rid of all drugs in Thailand years ago.

So are you saying that you believe that statement which is obviously untrue or just restating an untrue statement? Basically what is the point of your post?

If you believe in that as a fact, say so. Otherwise it adds nothing to the debate except asking for pats on the back from your fellow anti Thaksin posters.

Edited November 16, 2013 by fab4

[JRSoul]

Companies that take government contracts would be the first to know the level of corruption in any administration and whether their company is being given especially harsh treatment for backing a previous administration.

The threat today to go after the monied backers is one of the few course they imagine they have left.

But it has yet to be shown that the protestors are being paid to protest,

which was demonstrated several times in the Red Shirt protests.

When you are losing money more with one maladministration than with another, you favor the one you lose the least with.

It is a natural business strategy.

Another business strategy is to hire 'Perception Management' shills, in a boiler room somewhere,

to sow disinformation, and attempt to make 'legitimate public grievances'

sound like 'political manipulations for profits'. Reducing the legitimate to an attempted parody.

We see that happening again the last few weeks. And when this has happened in the past,

things got rather ugly, coming from the current maladministration's cronies of course.

It started when the amnesty debate looked seriously ready to pass, and has grown louder,

and with more obvious players here, whom we usually never see on TVF, saying the same things

with slightly different wordings, as if it were some ground swell of the common man.

A underhanded tactic, but one employed regularly.

Well I came on Thaivisa to state that I disagreed with the changes made to the Amnesty Bill at the time.

It was a crazy and arrogant decision by Thaksin and it gave the Dems a golden opportunity to attack PTP.

They couldn't pass it up.

The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote.

The original intent was to release some 180 red shirts many who remain in prison without charge or have ludicrously long prison sentences and whilst the charged yellow shirts remain at large.

No wonder Abhisit is clutching at straws to suggest the bill can be re-introduced in 180 days.

"He wouldn't let it lie."

We've seen Thai airways staff allowed off work to protest. Chula and Thammasat students and staff,medical groups led by Dr Tul, the madcap, government workers and what I saw a week ago in Siam looked like Hi-so's with their guards, gardeners and maids

"The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote."

As the total PTP vote was <50% that figure is more than suspect. The claim that 5% yellows represent 20% of the vote is merely ludicrous unless you can justify it somehow.

[h90]

This grub of a man has declared that his aim is to bring down the government ! Is this really legal in Thailand other than through the ballot box.

If not then this man should be put on trial .

It happens in England, France and other euro countries,

when there is enough unrest in the streets it is considered

a 'vote of no confidence' in the current administration, and parliament is dissolved.

And "this grub of a man" had exactly the SAME tactics used against him while in office,

but also including intentional deaths to make it a more long lasting removal from office.

And a card to use for the amnesty fight.

By what is observed so far, the demonstrations have not been at all violent or illegal,

nothing more than discussions of national options centering around the current maladministration.

If it goes past that it is impossible to approve,

as it was when the Red Shirts took over much of Bangkok.

Poland, India and South Africa are the best examples.

[Benmart]

Thailand, it's not just my country that has gone astray...

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have. Thomas Jefferson

[ballpoint]

Well I came on Thaivisa to state that I disagreed with the changes made to the Amnesty Bill at the time.

It was a crazy and arrogant decision by Thaksin and it gave the Dems a golden opportunity to attack PTP.

They couldn't pass it up.

The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote.

The original intent was to release some 180 red shirts many who remain in prison without charge or have ludicrously long prison sentences and whilst the charged yellow shirts remain at large.

No wonder Abhisit is clutching at straws to suggest the bill can be re-introduced in 180 days.

"He wouldn't let it lie."

We've seen Thai airways staff allowed off work to protest. Chula and Thammasat students and staff,medical groups led by Dr Tul, the madcap, government workers and what I saw a week ago in Siam looked like Hi-so's with their guards, gardeners and maids

The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote.

Can you back up your claim with facts that red shirts represent 50% of the population? I'm not trying to wind you up I would just like to know how you arrived at this percentage.

Funny how they all clam up when asked to provide proof of their ridiculous assertions.

This is an ex-parrot, and he has ceased to post. Until he comes up with the next item from the little red lie book.

[kimamey]

I wonder how Thailand would be if there was RULE OF LAW?

Yeah, why can't Thailand be like our home countries, things are much better there, that's why we left.

I don't often resort to rude personal remarks but this post makes it difficult.

Perhaps you could list the countries you're referring to including your own.

Maybe you could also give a list of 'we' so those involved can take advantage of you information of which they might not be aware.

It doesn't affect me as I know why I've chosen to live in Thailand. I'm aware that not everything is perfect in my country the UK but I'm here at the moment and happy enough with it until I return to Thailand in December.

Another idiot who thinks they know everything about everyone.

[Thai at Heart]

Really hope that all these protests by the both sides ends up in massive violence with high amount of casualities especially the politicians . As far as i am concerned, thailand was never ready for democracy as there are no decent and honest politicians with the key view of enhancing the countyr and its people plus majaority of the population condones corruption plus the same majority will not raise an evelid about selling their mothers, daughters or even sons these days for a mere Bt 500!

Judging from your name I can see why possibly you don't dig democracy too much.

[fab4]

Right i am going to fight logic and have a stab at justifying this one however feeble it maybe. Suthep has claimed he is trying to overthrow the Government, which I am going to presume is not as legal as something like calling for elections:). Hence Suthep is now inciting illegal acts, and those funding it are supporting the criminal act of trying to overthrow the Government, hence the money should be traced and stopped, much the same way a number of persons in 2010 had their finances blocked.

The key point here is that Suthep has moved from a rally with a specific aim against a bill, a protest on that is obviously not illegal, to now claiming he is trying to overthrow the Government which i presume is illegal

Splendid job i have done there.

One flaw in your argument. Suthep has said he wants to "overthrow the Thaksin regime", so unless you're admitting that Thaksin is running the government, what Suthep is wanting wouldn't be illegal, and, if you are suggesting that Thaksin is running the government, then what Suthep is wanting wouldn't be illegal either.

See the Semantics Kid is out again. The Thaksin regime is generally used to describe a government loyal to Thaksin. The TRT Party was the first of the Thaksin Regimes for example with Thaksin at his head. This was followed by the PPP also part of a Thaksin Regime but this time he was barred from participating in politics so did not have a role in the government. He was obviously bankrolling the party.

[kirk0233]

THE GOVERNMENT will enforce anti-money-laundering laws and seize the assets of capitalists who sponsor anti-government rallies, the prime minister's deputy secretary-general, Suporn Atthawong, warned yesterday.

Why not enforce the law against money-laundering for all those engaged in it? The protestors unfortunately have been targeted for reasons most likely related to "national security" for the un-Thai like behavior of not knowing their place.

[jdinasia]

The sheer hypocrisy of Suthep's call for a national strike becomes apparent when you realize the vast majority of the working population are on daily contracts.

If you don't turn up you're fired!

It's become common knowledge that many of those protesting come from certain companies and have been given leave to attend and not go to work.

They should be exposed. Named and shamed.

BP said there were 50,000 but the police said 20,000 but the public are losing patience.

OK ... so from your post I can tell just a few things ......

1) You have no clue. "The vast majority...." Try reading Thai labor law.

2) You have no clue. "If you do not show up you are fired" again try reading Thai labor law.

3) You have no clue. "... common knowledge ..." Please feel free to name the companies giving their employees time off and then feel free to show that those companies are both paying them for the time off or doing anything illegal or unethical. Your "common knowledge" is rumor and innuendo.

4)You have no clue. The police estimate is always far lower than any other estimate out there for crowd numbers.

5) You have no clue, Where is there evidence that the "public are losing patience?"

I understand that some people are frustrated by watching democracy in action. That is a shame, but peaceful demonstrations and peaceful civil disobedience is a part of democracy.

[chainarong]

The UDD stand for no dictatorship , well they have strange bed partners, this is the best example of a dictatorship if you'd ever seen one, what a pathetic lot this administration really are., freedom and democracy , PTP find a dictionary and read all about it.

[mikemac]

This grub of a man has declared that his aim is to bring down the government !

This classic line could have been used on Thaksin, many times.

Thanks oldsailor.

The sheer hypocrisy of Suthep's call for a national strike becomes apparent when you realize the vast majority of the working population are on daily contracts.

If you don't turn up you're fired!

It's become common knowledge that many of those protesting come from certain companies and have been given leave to attend and not go to work.

They should be exposed. Named and shamed.

BP said there were 50,000 but the police said 20,000 but the public are losing patience.

Quite fitting that you mention the word "hypocrisy".

I am often reminded of this term when reading your amazing comments !

[johntren]

I doubt if anything will come of this. The anti-money laundering guys are far too busy investigating that dodgy monk who allegedly laundered cash for government ministers, generals ....

Er ... maybe something will come of this ...

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[khunken]

This is deja vu - straight from the Thaksin rule book:

http://cpj.org/2003/03/attacks-on-the-press-2002-thailand.php

He used the AMLO to 'investigate' local journalists & others in 2002. The Nation, Thai Rath & Bangkok Post had better be on guard after Tarit & the AMLO finish their instructions on 'businesses'. Both the DSI & AMLO are theoretically independent.

The lies here are just incredible. Arms at the protests, druggies & homeless infiltration of the meetings. What next? Zombies?

I'm no fan of Suthep but he is a petty criminal compared to Thaksin and anything that can rid Thailand of his dynasty is worth a try. Don't think he'll get a million on the streets but if he can scare PTP enough to drop their goal of amnesty for Mr T permanently - it'll be worthwhile.

On a side issue I see the intimidation branch of the red shirts are ready to target the CC if the ruling next week goes against the government. That type of 'protest' is of course quite legal and acceptable to PTP and no financing investigation will be necessary (just like in 2010).

[siampolee]

Yet another fine example of Thaksins and the Red Shirts take on democracy. Any dissension to them whitewash of Thaksin and any dissension to his marionette company that masquerades as a government must be halted at any cost as such dissent is heading to a probable interruption in ''commission payments'' on all those lovely scams schemes that this puppet show of a government have implemented to date and if they get their way, more to come too.

Face the facts you misguided supporters of a wanna be dictator, the public have seen through the flimsy facade that Thaksin and his puppet show have as a scenery backdrop to their stage and the truth is showing.

This threat to confiscate peoples property is indeed a wonderful example taken from the handbook of ''The Worlds Greatest Dictators.'' Jointly authored by, Robert Mugabe Ferdinand Marcos Thaksin Shinwatra, Joe Stalin,Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, Hun Sen, Kim il Sun, Mao Tse Tung Idi Amin and many more tin pot despots, legal advice by Tulips in Amsterdam, Robert Amsterdam.

All hail Thaksin and Red Shirt style demonacracy democracy.

Edited November 16, 2013 by siampolee

[bigbamboo]

Looking at things from the PTP standpoint you can see why they are doing this. The one big advantage that TRT/PPP/PTP (have I left any out?) have always had is their access to big money, especially at election time.

Given their current relegation form PTP badly need to retain this edge.

Edited November 16, 2013 by bigbamboo

[scorecard]

This grub of a man has declared that his aim is to bring down the government ! Is this really legal in Thailand other than through the ballot box.

If not then this man should be put on trial .

I read this 10 times to be sure I wasn't missing something. I guess it nicely summarizes your thinking.

[gerry1011]

I suggest to confiscate up to 46 billions from the financial backers of the Dem's protest to overthrow the elected government..

Then both sides are equal

They can always have it back the day there is an amnesty

[jdinasia]

I suggest to confiscate up to 46 billions from the financial backers of the Dem's protest to overthrow the elected government..

Then both sides are equal

They can always have it back the day there is an amnesty

More trolling?

Gerry you are getting kind of sad with this. But should a court find cause to relieve the supposed financial backers of lawful protesters participating in lawful protests for something like, shall we say, abuse of power .... then they should never get it back. That way it would be done by rule of law and be equal.

[phantomfiddler]

This government is really plumbing new depths ! During the 2010 riots I do believe I read on the front page of the Bangkok Post that somewhere around 86 billion came out of T and cronies accounts to support the chaos and violence. Talk about double standards !

[MrSlatersParrot]

Companies that take government contracts would be the first to know the level of corruption in any administration and whether their company is being given especially harsh treatment for backing a previous administration.

The threat today to go after the monied backers is one of the few course they imagine they have left.

But it has yet to be shown that the protestors are being paid to protest,

which was demonstrated several times in the Red Shirt protests.

When you are losing money more with one maladministration than with another, you favor the one you lose the least with.

It is a natural business strategy.

Another business strategy is to hire 'Perception Management' shills, in a boiler room somewhere,

to sow disinformation, and attempt to make 'legitimate public grievances'

sound like 'political manipulations for profits'. Reducing the legitimate to an attempted parody.

We see that happening again the last few weeks. And when this has happened in the past,

things got rather ugly, coming from the current maladministration's cronies of course.

It started when the amnesty debate looked seriously ready to pass, and has grown louder,

and with more obvious players here, whom we usually never see on TVF, saying the same things

with slightly different wordings, as if it were some ground swell of the common man.

A underhanded tactic, but one employed regularly.

Well I came on Thaivisa to state that I disagreed with the changes made to the Amnesty Bill at the time.

It was a crazy and arrogant decision by Thaksin and it gave the Dems a golden opportunity to attack PTP.

They couldn't pass it up.

The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote.

The original intent was to release some 180 red shirts many who remain in prison without charge or have ludicrously long prison sentences and whilst the charged yellow shirts remain at large.

No wonder Abhisit is clutching at straws to suggest the bill can be re-introduced in 180 days.

"He wouldn't let it lie."

We've seen Thai airways staff allowed off work to protest. Chula and Thammasat students and staff,medical groups led by Dr Tul, the madcap, government workers and what I saw a week ago in Siam looked like Hi-so's with their guards, gardeners and maids

Don't like High Society people, eh? Don't like the knobs, Mr. Parrot? Farang prai with a chip on our shoulder, are we? Well the entire Thaksin clan are amart, so get used to it. This is Thailand, and if Thai prai don't count, Farang prai wannabees certainly count for still less.

No chip on my shoulder but I have a problem with those who want to perpetuate this feudal state and those farang who would support them.

[culicine]

Donating to a protest is money laundering.

Who are these idiots?

For balance, love to see someone put serious pressure on tarit to go back to the 2010 situation and demand he press charges on the people financing the 2010 events.

Every little dirty deed of Tarit will float to the surface when eventually the PT boat is sunk and the tide turns with a change of government. Tarit will be toast.

[Artisi]

This government is really plumbing new depths ! During the 2010 riots I do believe I read on the front page of the Bangkok Post that somewhere around 86 billion came out of T and cronies accounts to support the chaos and violence. Talk about double standards !

Yeah, but that's different, PTP weren't in power at that time.

[Artisi]

Donating to a protest is money laundering.

Who are these idiots?

For balance, love to see someone put serious pressure on tarit to go back to the 2010 situation and demand he press charges on the people financing the 2010 events.

Every little dirty deed of Tarit will float to the surface when eventually the PT boat is sunk and the tide turns with a change of government. Tarit will be toast.

And hopefully all the other brown-nose's will be included.

[jdinasia]

No chip on my shoulder but I have a problem with those who want to perpetuate this feudal state and those farang who would support them.

You are describing yourself there Parrot,

Thaksin's whole political philosophy and implementation of that philosophy is based upon feudalism, or perhaps, to be more accurate based upon the patronage client system. Offer up a tiny bit of rice to the serfs for their support .... that is all he did with his populist policies that actually made things worse in areas with the largest wealth distribution problems. Cronyism .... Nepotism .. Patron/client relationship with the electorate ... That is what you are decrying, but publicly supporting.

[A1Str8]

I thought it was about to seize its own assets after robbing the nation.

[khunken]

Companies that take government contracts would be the first to know the level of corruption in any administration and whether their company is being given especially harsh treatment for backing a previous administration.

The threat today to go after the monied backers is one of the few course they imagine they have left.

But it has yet to be shown that the protestors are being paid to protest,

which was demonstrated several times in the Red Shirt protests.

When you are losing money more with one maladministration than with another, you favor the one you lose the least with.

It is a natural business strategy.

Another business strategy is to hire 'Perception Management' shills, in a boiler room somewhere,

to sow disinformation, and attempt to make 'legitimate public grievances'

sound like 'political manipulations for profits'. Reducing the legitimate to an attempted parody.

We see that happening again the last few weeks. And when this has happened in the past,

things got rather ugly, coming from the current maladministration's cronies of course.

It started when the amnesty debate looked seriously ready to pass, and has grown louder,

and with more obvious players here, whom we usually never see on TVF, saying the same things

with slightly different wordings, as if it were some ground swell of the common man.

A underhanded tactic, but one employed regularly.

Well I came on Thaivisa to state that I disagreed with the changes made to the Amnesty Bill at the time.

It was a crazy and arrogant decision by Thaksin and it gave the Dems a golden opportunity to attack PTP.

They couldn't pass it up.

The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote.

The original intent was to release some 180 red shirts many who remain in prison without charge or have ludicrously long prison sentences and whilst the charged yellow shirts remain at large.

No wonder Abhisit is clutching at straws to suggest the bill can be re-introduced in 180 days.

"He wouldn't let it lie."

We've seen Thai airways staff allowed off work to protest. Chula and Thammasat students and staff,medical groups led by Dr Tul, the madcap, government workers and what I saw a week ago in Siam looked like Hi-so's with their guards, gardeners and maids

Don't like High Society people, eh? Don't like the knobs, Mr. Parrot? Farang prai with a chip on our shoulder, are we? Well the entire Thaksin clan are amart, so get used to it. This is Thailand, and if Thai prai don't count, Farang prai wannabees certainly count for still less.

No chip on my shoulder but I have a problem with those who want to perpetuate this feudal state and those farang who would support them.

And I have a problem with those who want to perpetuate a feudal dynasty and those too blind to see what it is.

I do however have a laugh at those who post wacky comments like this:

The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote.

With that comment I'd suggest some homework on Thai politics from non-PTP & red shirt sources.

[MrSlatersParrot]

Roughly 50% of the voters support PTP/the red shirts. They got 15.7 million votes last time.

The yellow and the elites represent around 5% of the population and they can count on a further 20% to support and vote for them.

A further 20% are uninterested in politics and don't vote and the remainder vote for the smaller parties.

That's my understanding and I can't pull the article where I just read this.

It's not rocket science. They have a parliamentary majority.

This excellent article linked below about the flawed politics of the Amnesty Bill is worth reading.

For Thaksin because of the politics he should be setting aside his own personel interests regarding his convictions and his assets removal at this time for the greater good.

Not least amnesty should not be for those who acted with brutality and have always got away with it in the past but for those the army rounded up and have had unjustly held in prison ever since.

The Total Cost of Amnesty

Fri, 15/11/2013 - 13:11 | by prachatai

Nidhi Eoseewong

" Khun Abhisit’s and Khun Suthep’s political path is relentlessly confrontational. I believe that it no longer matches the changing mood of the people in the city."

http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/3745