Govt to restore control

[vadimbz]

*Looking at my flight booking confirmation for Thursday, feeling grinched.

I am sorry, I am too tired and drunk to read all posts in this thread. Am I the first one to type "martial law" here?

Are Shinawatras going to replace morlum gigs, fireworks, cheap booze, kittens, yum woon sen, easy women, sky full of kratongs, mai bpeng rai, and tom yum goong with bleak assault riflemen in camo, barb wire, zech hedgehogs, and turnpikes? Or it's nothing to worry about?

Edited November 25, 2013 by vadimbz

[Thai at Heart]

the old hands of former student rebellions and the leaders of the yellows are the masterminds of the tactics, they are the strategists who took counsel months ago, in August the plans were ready and they remain in the background now, Suthep and co are puppets on a string.

Please identify these "old hands".

Thank you.

If there is one thing the army in Thailand can do very well is propaganda. They've been doing it for 60 years.

[Thai at Heart]

the old hands of former student rebellions and the leaders of the yellows are the masterminds of the tactics, they are the strategists who took counsel months ago, in August the plans were ready and they remain in the background now, Suthep and co are puppets on a string.

Please identify these "old hands".

Thank you.

If there is one thing the army in Thailand can do very well is propaganda. They've been doing it for 60 years.

Please identify these old hands more specifically than "army" if that is what you are trying to imply as it's not clear.

Thank you.

You want a name and address?, what is the single most dominant political force in the country? The army

What do they protect. King, religion and country. What do they hate? People messing their hard created system. I think there have been nearly as many serving military PMS as civilian. So, how do you think they take to some guy from chiangmai messing with their country.....

[Rich teacher]

Good to see that the government is going to disperse the protesters.

Peaceful protests are annoying, but seizing government buildings is breaking the law, when they do that, they're starting to turn rabid.

I think you mean 'attempt to disperse the protesters'.

Judging by the volume of work to be done and the fact that I doubt they are going to move along peacefully, I would say that it is downright dangerous at this point.

If they want the protesters to be dispersed, they'll be dispersed. The only question is how heavier hand they need in order to do it.

The Yellow shirts will probably want to have some of their people killed so that they can hold them up as martyrs, but from what I've read previous "red" governments have been significantly less violent than the last "yellow" government (Probably because the red governments get their power from a majority of voters, so public perception is important. The democrats on the other hand had the army at their back, so didn't need to worry about a military coup etc)

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How predictable. The losers are coming out with the most idiotic statements.

Try as you will you will never change the fact that this is not a yellow shirt movement.

This is a movement by grassroots citizens from all walks of life and political belief. The Yellow shirts are just riding on the coat tails of honest loving hard working Thailand citizens from all over the country. They were a political dead issue who seized on the work of honest citizens to try to justify their existence.They are not being paid for their protesting. Reason being some thing you people will never understand. They love Thailand and are tired of seeing it raped. Maybe you enjoy watching that but they don't. Maybe your a business man able to get into the trough with the other pigs.

As for the last government being yellow shirts explain to me why the yellow shirts would not vote for the

democrats. If they had we would have a far different government.

The facts are it is not and never will be a yellow shirt movement. It is from all political persuasion, They have even had red shirts up on the stage denying the government.

So you bunch just carry on and blame it all on as an all but defunct yellow shirt party. It will still be a protest by people who love Thailand.

On another note I felt kind of sorry when I saw the red shirt rally in there football stadium. So many empty seats and leaders who looked lost. They probably wanted to start jumping around and urging their supporters they had to burn Bangkok down.

Just like in their glory days of 2010

Do you have the capacity to watch and understand ASTV? Do you know the main players in the yellow shirt movement? Have you learnt who Anupong is yet? Ignorance is bliss.

[waza]

I think you mean 'attempt to disperse the protesters'.

Judging by the volume of work to be done and the fact that I doubt they are going to move along peacefully, I would say that it is downright dangerous at this point.

If they want the protesters to be dispersed, they'll be dispersed. The only question is how heavier hand they need in order to do it.

The Yellow shirts will probably want to have some of their people killed so that they can hold them up as martyrs, but from what I've read previous "red" governments have been significantly less violent than the last "yellow" government (Probably because the red governments get their power from a majority of voters, so public perception is important. The democrats on the other hand had the army at their back, so didn't need to worry about a military coup etc)

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How predictable. The losers are coming out with the most idiotic statements.

Try as you will you will never change the fact that this is not a yellow shirt movement.

This is a movement by grassroots citizens from all walks of life and political belief. The Yellow shirts are just riding on the coat tails of honest loving hard working Thailand citizens from all over the country. They were a political dead issue who seized on the work of honest citizens to try to justify their existence.They are not being paid for their protesting. Reason being some thing you people will never understand. They love Thailand and are tired of seeing it raped. Maybe you enjoy watching that but they don't. Maybe your a business man able to get into the trough with the other pigs.

As for the last government being yellow shirts explain to me why the yellow shirts would not vote for the

democrats. If they had we would have a far different government.

The facts are it is not and never will be a yellow shirt movement. It is from all political persuasion, They have even had red shirts up on the stage denying the government.

So you bunch just carry on and blame it all on as an all but defunct yellow shirt party. It will still be a protest by people who love Thailand.

On another note I felt kind of sorry when I saw the red shirt rally in there football stadium. So many empty seats and leaders who looked lost. They probably wanted to start jumping around and urging their supporters they had to burn Bangkok down.

Just like in their glory days of 2010

Do you have the capacity to watch and understand ASTV? Do you know the main players in the yellow shirt movement? Have you learnt who Anupong is yet? Ignorance is bliss.

What do the yellowshirts (PAD) and ASTV have to do with the current political crisis?

[Rich teacher]

I think you mean 'attempt to disperse the protesters'.

Judging by the volume of work to be done and the fact that I doubt they are going to move along peacefully, I would say that it is downright dangerous at this point.

If they want the protesters to be dispersed, they'll be dispersed. The only question is how heavier hand they need in order to do it.

The Yellow shirts will probably want to have some of their people killed so that they can hold them up as martyrs, but from what I've read previous "red" governments have been significantly less violent than the last "yellow" government (Probably because the red governments get their power from a majority of voters, so public perception is important. The democrats on the other hand had the army at their back, so didn't need to worry about a military coup etc)

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How predictable. The losers are coming out with the most idiotic statements.

Try as you will you will never change the fact that this is not a yellow shirt movement.

This is a movement by grassroots citizens from all walks of life and political belief. The Yellow shirts are just riding on the coat tails of honest loving hard working Thailand citizens from all over the country. They were a political dead issue who seized on the work of honest citizens to try to justify their existence.They are not being paid for their protesting. Reason being some thing you people will never understand. They love Thailand and are tired of seeing it raped. Maybe you enjoy watching that but they don't. Maybe your a business man able to get into the trough with the other pigs.

As for the last government being yellow shirts explain to me why the yellow shirts would not vote for the

democrats. If they had we would have a far different government.

The facts are it is not and never will be a yellow shirt movement. It is from all political persuasion, They have even had red shirts up on the stage denying the government.

So you bunch just carry on and blame it all on as an all but defunct yellow shirt party. It will still be a protest by people who love Thailand.

On another note I felt kind of sorry when I saw the red shirt rally in there football stadium. So many empty seats and leaders who looked lost. They probably wanted to start jumping around and urging their supporters they had to burn Bangkok down.

Just like in their glory days of 2010

Do you have the capacity to watch and understand ASTV? Do you know the main players in the yellow shirt movement? Have you learnt who Anupong is yet? Ignorance is bliss.

What do the yellowshirts (PAD) and ASTV have to do with the current political crisis?

Sometimes I think I am debating with intelligent, well informed people and then.......

[waza]

How predictable. The losers are coming out with the most idiotic statements.

Try as you will you will never change the fact that this is not a yellow shirt movement.

This is a movement by grassroots citizens from all walks of life and political belief. The Yellow shirts are just riding on the coat tails of honest loving hard working Thailand citizens from all over the country. They were a political dead issue who seized on the work of honest citizens to try to justify their existence.They are not being paid for their protesting. Reason being some thing you people will never understand. They love Thailand and are tired of seeing it raped. Maybe you enjoy watching that but they don't. Maybe your a business man able to get into the trough with the other pigs.

As for the last government being yellow shirts explain to me why the yellow shirts would not vote for the

democrats. If they had we would have a far different government.

The facts are it is not and never will be a yellow shirt movement. It is from all political persuasion, They have even had red shirts up on the stage denying the government.

So you bunch just carry on and blame it all on as an all but defunct yellow shirt party. It will still be a protest by people who love Thailand.

On another note I felt kind of sorry when I saw the red shirt rally in there football stadium. So many empty seats and leaders who looked lost. They probably wanted to start jumping around and urging their supporters they had to burn Bangkok down.

Just like in their glory days of 2010

Do you have the capacity to watch and understand ASTV? Do you know the main players in the yellow shirt movement? Have you learnt who Anupong is yet? Ignorance is bliss.

What do the yellowshirts (PAD) and ASTV have to do with the current political crisis?

Sometimes I think I am debating with intelligent, well informed people and then.......

That's funny your post are so inaccurate and basic one could be excused for thinking your target audience is poorly informed and gullible children. Then I guess your more used to debating with reds, but thanks for the flame and sticking to the red formula.

Edited November 25, 2013 by waza

[whybother]

"International standards" what does that mean? Chinese..Russian...Argentinian ????????????????????

 

Suffice to say it will not include live fire zones and snipers marksmen.

That will be because the protesters don't have grenades and their own militia.

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[khunsiam]

the old hands of former student rebellions and the leaders of the yellows are the masterminds of the tactics, they are the strategists who took counsel months ago, in August the plans were ready and they remain in the background now, Suthep and co are puppets on a string.

Please identify these "old hands".

Thank you.

If there is one thing the army in Thailand can do very well is propaganda. They've been doing it for 60 years.

sorry but this is "first hand" information from the very people involved.

[webfact]

Thai PM tightens security as protests escalate
by Thanaporn PROMYAMYAI

BANGKOK, November 26, 2013 (AFP) - Thailand's embattled premier on Monday invoked a special security law in the tense capital Bangkok and nearby areas after protesters stormed key ministries in a bid to topple the government.

The mass rallies against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and her brother, ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra, are the biggest since 2010 when more than 90 civilians were killed in a bloody military crackdown.

The United States called for restraint on both sides and said it was monitoring the situation closely.

The turmoil has raised fears of a fresh bout of street violence in a country that has been convulsed by several episodes of political unrest since royalist generals overthrew Thaksin in a 2006 coup.

The special law, which had already been in force in several districts of the capital and is known as the Internal Security Act, gives the police additional powers to block routes, impose a curfew, ban gatherings and carry out searches.

Tens of thousands of protesters opposed to Yingluck's elected government marched on more than a dozen state agencies across Bangkok, including military and police bases, as well as several television stations.

Hundreds of demonstrators swarmed into finance ministry buildings and later forced their way into the foreign ministry compound, which were both apparently left unguarded by government security forces.

Demonstrators broke down the gates to the foreign ministry and after occupying an area of the compound they asked civil servants to leave and not to return to work the next day, according to a ministry spokesman.

There was no immediate sign that the government was preparing to try to evict the demonstrators from the ministries, where they stayed into the night, despite Yingluck's decision to impose the Internal Security Act in the entire capital.

"While the government will enforce the laws it will not use force against the people," Yingluck said.

"The government would like to ask people not to join illegal protests and to respect the law," she added.

Protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban called for the occupation on Tuesday of "all government agencies".

"The Thaksin system can no longer work," he said, vowing to defy police warnings for the protesters to leave the ministry.

Some of the demonstrators had earlier called for the intervention of the military in a country that has seen 18 actual or attempted coups since it became a constitutional monarchy in 1932.

A boisterous rally on Sunday brought up to 180,000 anti-government demonstrators to the streets of Bangkok, according to the National Security Council.

Thousands of pro-government "Red Shirts" remain in a suburban football stadium in Bangkok in a show of support for Yingluck and Thaksin.

The United States urged "all sides to refrain from violence, exercise restraint, and respect the rule of law".

"Violence and the seizure of public or private property are not acceptable means of resolving political differences," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a statement.

Running out of room to manoeuvre
The rallies are the biggest challenge yet for Yingluck, who swept to power in elections in 2011 thanks to support from the Red Shirts, whose protests in 2010 were crushed by the then-government led by the Democrat party.

Yingluck on Monday told reporters she would neither resign nor dissolve parliament despite the mounting pressure.

But experts said she is running out of room to manoeuvre.

"It will be very difficult for Yingluck to stay in office, let alone get anything done," said Thitinan Pongsudhirak, director of the Institute of Security and International Studies at Bangkok's Chulalongkorn University.

The Thai capital has faced weeks of opposition-backed rallies sparked by an amnesty bill that could have allowed the return of Thaksin from self-imposed exile.

The amnesty bill -- which was rejected by the upper house of parliament -- also angered Thaksin's supporters because it would have pardoned those responsible for the 2010 military crackdown on their rallies.

Former premier Abhisit Vejjajiva -- now the opposition leader -- and his deputy Suthep face murder charges for overseeing the military operation.

The government said Monday that it might also seek an arrest warrant for Suthep after firearms and ammunition were found in the protest area.

The opposition Democrat Party is seeking to raise the pressure on Yingluck with a no-confidence debate on Tuesday -- although her party dominates the lower house.

Thaksin, a billionaire telecoms tycoon-turned-politician, draws strong support from many of the country's rural and urban working class. But he is loathed by the elite and the middle classes, who accuse him of being corrupt and a threat to the monarchy.

"Yingluck, Thaksin, their party and their corrupt system must go this week," demonstrator Thanabhum Prompraphan, 50, told AFP.

"We will stay peaceful... whistles are our weapons," he said.

A series of protests by the royalist "Yellow Shirts" helped to trigger the coup that toppled Thaksin, who now lives in self-imposed exile in Dubai to avoid a prison term for corruption that he contends was politically motivated.


-- (c) Copyright AFP 2013-11-26

[MaiChai]

I recon Yingluck won't resign and dissolve the government because does not know how to or what that means. She is probably waiting to be told what to do.

[webfact]

POLITICS
PM extends ISA and insists she won't resign or dissolve House
Hataikarn Treesuwan,
Anapat Deechuay,
Khanittha Thepphajorn
The Nation


Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra told reporters she wouldn't dissolve House or resign.

PM to explain stance during censure debate; 'coalition parties staying put'

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra last night extended the invocation of special internal security law to cover entire Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Samut Prakan’s Bang Phli district and Pathum Thani’s Ladlumkaew district.

Since October 18, the Internal Security Act (ISA) covered only three Bangkok districts; Phra Nakhon, Dusit and Pomprap Sattrupai. The law that prohibits mass gathering would directly affect rally sites on Rajdamnoen Avenue and others.

In a special TV broadcast, Yingluck said her government has no choice but to use the ISA after the anti-government protesters stepped up their protests by invading, seizing many government agencies and destroying the assets including the front gates.

The protesters also cut off electricity and water supplies in those buildings, the moves that would affect officials and people in general. The premier called for people not to provide cooperation with the protesters who broke the laws and to cooperate with government officers so that the situation returns to normal.

The US Department of State also issued a statement, urging all sides to avoid violence.

"The US Government is concerned about the rising political tension in Thailand and is following the ongoing demonstrations in Bangkok closely. We urge all sides to refrain from violence, exercise restraint, and respect the rule of law. Violence and the seizure of public or private property are not acceptable means of resolving political differences," said its spokesperson Jen Psaki.

Earlier on the day, the prime minister refused to resign or dissolve the House and plans to use the two-day censure debate, which will start today, as a venue to explain the government’s stand.



"I will fully explain every issue during the censure and in order to overcome time constraints, may also issue additional clarification at other venues," she said yesterday.

Yingluck was speaking at the weekly Cabinet meeting.

After the meeting she was asked by reporters if she insisted that she would neither resign nor call a House dissolution. She said, "That's correct."

Meanwhile, junior coalition parties will not desert the Yingluck Shinawatra government - even if the government has been rocked to its core by the Rajdamnoen protesters led by former Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban.

Chief coalition whip Amnuay Klangpha said he was not concerned that protesters might lay siege to Parliament today, coinciding with the censure debate.

Today's censure is scheduled to begin at 9.30am and the debate will last until 3am. Tomorrow the censure will resume at 10.00am and conclude at midnight. The censure vote will take place on Thursday, he said.

Censure targets comprise the prime minister and Interior Minister Charupong Ruangsuwan.

The two are expected to issue rigorous rebuttals to issues raised by the opposition.

Opposition Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday said the marches across Bangkok by the anti-government protests won't affect the censure debate scheduled for today and tomorrow.

The opposition party has prepared more than 20 MPs for the debate and is ready to expose alleged corruption scandals of the government, he said.

A government MP who asked not to be named said the junior coalition parties had no choice. They could not stop the political turmoil even if they decided to withdraw from the government coalition.

The junior parties had been pushed into working with the ruling Pheu Thai Party in violating Article 157 of the criminal law and the Constitution, and their implementation of the constitutional-amendment bill related to the Senate.

The MP said the Constitutional Court had ruled in favour of the opposition Democrat Party, which appeared to be politically a bad sign. That's why they should keep their silence now.

"I cannot guess the future of MPs and senators who proposed the charter amendment. They might have to cease their duties this week by order of the National Anti-Corruption Commission [NACC]. If that happens, Pheu Thai must reject the NACC's decision for sure and [this will] lead to political deadlock," he said.

A Chart Pattana MP, who also asked not to be named, said he went to the Rajdamnoen rally site to join the protest on Sunday as a Thai citizen, not a government MP. He said he had no idea if the Yingluck government would survive the opposition moves, especially a House dissolution, which might not be enough to satisfy the demonstrators.

"I admit the Democrats' battle strategy is better than the government's. Suthep and his fellow protest leaders succeeded in analysing the situation and set up conditions consistent with the times. Meanwhile, the Pheu Thai Party's strategy is like two boats tied together. If one boat is burned, it would destroy the other boat," he said.

At about 2pm yesterday, due to the large number of protesters rallying near the Parliament, parliamentary officials were told to leave, but there had been no announcement that they should stay home from work today.


-- The Nation 2013-11-26

[whybother]

The government said Monday that it might also seek an arrest warrant for Suthep after firearms and ammunition were found in the protest area.

Plain clothed police with fire arms, and students with BB guns.

Any other reports?

[Tatsujin]

I think you mean 'attempt to disperse the protesters'.

Judging by the volume of work to be done and the fact that I doubt they are going to move along peacefully, I would say that it is downright dangerous at this point.

If they want the protesters to be dispersed, they'll be dispersed. The only question is how heavier hand they need in order to do it.

The Yellow shirts will probably want to have some of their people killed so that they can hold them up as martyrs, but from what I've read previous "red" governments have been significantly less violent than the last "yellow" government (Probably because the red governments get their power from a majority of voters, so public perception is important. The democrats on the other hand had the army at their back, so didn't need to worry about a military coup etc)

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How predictable. The losers are coming out with the most idiotic statements.

Try as you will you will never change the fact that this is not a yellow shirt movement.

This is a movement by grassroots citizens from all walks of life and political belief. The Yellow shirts are just riding on the coat tails of honest loving hard working Thailand citizens from all over the country. They were a political dead issue who seized on the work of honest citizens to try to justify their existence.They are not being paid for their protesting. Reason being some thing you people will never understand. They love Thailand and are tired of seeing it raped. Maybe you enjoy watching that but they don't. Maybe your a business man able to get into the trough with the other pigs.

As for the last government being yellow shirts explain to me why the yellow shirts would not vote for the

democrats. If they had we would have a far different government.

The facts are it is not and never will be a yellow shirt movement. It is from all political persuasion, They have even had red shirts up on the stage denying the government.

So you bunch just carry on and blame it all on as an all but defunct yellow shirt party. It will still be a protest by people who love Thailand.

On another note I felt kind of sorry when I saw the red shirt rally in there football stadium. So many empty seats and leaders who looked lost. They probably wanted to start jumping around and urging their supporters they had to burn Bangkok down.

Just like in their glory days of 2010

Do you have the capacity to watch and understand ASTV? Do you know the main players in the yellow shirt movement? Have you learnt who Anupong is yet? Ignorance is bliss.

What do the yellowshirts (PAD) and ASTV have to do with the current political crisis?

Sometimes I think I am debating with intelligent, well informed people and then.......

Yeah, we feel the same about you RT . . . keep up with the red propaganda, you're doing a great job as always.

[Ricardo]

Sly animal, MJP, PeterSmiles - would you mind not insulting our intelligence? Do a bit - and you only need "a bit" - of research before you comment about Chuwit. He is last year's (pop culture) news - has no relevance to today. He is a nobody. Forget him.

IMO Khun Chuwit's relevance or usefulness, is that he's willing to reveal instances of corruption to Parliament, & this is both healthy and entertaining for us observers !

If only there were many more like him ! Shining the bright cleansing light of publicity, on dirty dealings in this country, does far more than meaningless platitudes or speeches about being against-corruption, from the faux-PM of this corrupt government ever will.

Meanwhile, back to the OP, the faux-PM is good at taking orders from the real-PM, so will continue to hold onto power at-all-costs.

[noikrit]

Love the way the know all falangs go on rambling and raving about just about anything ..... Just spoke to my die hard RED shirt nieghbours again and they laughed when I told them what Falang are talking about ... They said, they are tired of Thaksin trying to run their country when he is not man enough to be here , and they don't like all the problems his family make .... Their words not mine.... but kinda makes me think what the THAIS are talking about .....

[Thainy Tim]

Love the way the know all falangs go on rambling and raving about just about anything ..... Just spoke to my die hard RED shirt nieghbours again and they laughed when I told them what Falang are talking about ... They said, they are tired of Thaksin trying to run their country when he is not man enough to be here , and they don't like all the problems his family make .... Their words not mine.... but kinda makes me think what the THAIS are talking about .....

It's a pity really that you have allowed yourself to be indoctrinated by your die hard red neighbors.

Normally indoctrination needs to be done from childhood, but some more vulnerable types can be converted at any age so long as their IQ does not exceed a certain low threshold.

[noikrit]

alt=cheesy.gif width=32 height=20> Love the way the know all falangs go on rambling and raving about just about anything ..... Just spoke to my die hard RED shirt nieghbours again and they laughed when I told them what Falang are talking about ... They said, they are tired of Thaksin trying to run their country when he is not man enough to be here , and they don't like all the problems his family make .... Their words not mine.... but kinda makes me think what the THAIS are talking about ..... alt=coffee1.gif width=32 height=24>

It's a pity really that you have allowed yourself to be indoctrinated by your die hard red neighbors.

Normally indoctrination needs to be done from childhood, but some more vulnerable types can be converted at any age so long as their IQ does not exceed a certain low threshold.

Thainy Tim ... Wasn't he some sort of joke singer ??? Whatever , Indoctrinated, ??? Not sure what your trying to sing there Tiny ... If you read CAREFULLY I was repeating , in English, what my Red shirt THAI neighbours said !!!! .. NEVER did I express MY opinion there!!! Listening to thais in Thailand isn't a bad thing you know !!! Maybe you should try it one day instead of slagging it off with Falang on a keyboard !! Get a life !! Now off you go Thainy , back to Tip Toeing through your TWOLIPS !1

[virtualtraveller]

Dear Yingluck, the Democrat ex-MP Suthep is playing dirty, he is your political opponent, he has been pressured endlessly from your mob and brother and persecuted, he has stood by patiently for two years tolerating your farce, watching the country be run from Dubai, cringing at your embarrassing lack of experience and naivety, insincerity even. Many of us, hundreds of thousands feel the same way. Why on earth do you expect us now back off when you're back's up against the wall. You signed up for this job, it's going wrong for you, now deal with it. Stop asking us to cut you a break, you contrived this situation yourself. You let yourself become a puppet, suffer the consequences.

[Crushdepth]

Blood is in the water.

We've gone from 'will not use force' to "don't want to use force". It's only a matter of time until it escalates. Getting the jack boots out now is the worst thing the Muppet princess could do.

[farangman]

Chuwit Kamolvisit?

Yeah that's the guy. I don't know much about him, but everything I've heard has been good.

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All I do know is he owns a lot of brothels, so to my mind, that's not necessarily a good start.

This country does need a Gandhi-esque figure to finally take it from feudal kleptocracy to democratic meritocracy. Because all I've ever seen here is a bunch of thieves on either side fighting over who can steal the most.

Yeah all of the politicians are dirty in one way or another, but at least he's honest about it.

Last yeah he told the newspapers where a big gambling den was. Then blatantly said that he knew no arrests would be made and that nothing would happen because the local police chief was getting paid well by the owner (who was apparently a cousin of Taksin).

But that's starting to drift off topic.

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I guess you guys haven't lived here that long if you think K Chuwit is the bastion of good practises.

[farangman]

Sometimes I think I am debating with intelligent, well informed people and then.......

.....and then you realize you're not up to the task???

[klauskunkel]

Yingluck also urges former Democrat MPs, who led protesters to government buildings, to solve conflicts through parliamentary procedure.

Oh, now parliamentary procedure is useful? Last time parliamentary procedure was a mockery with the rushing of the amnesty bill...

[gerry1011]

Good to see that the government is going to disperse the protesters.

Peaceful protests are annoying, but seizing government buildings is breaking the law, when they do that, they're starting to turn rabid.

I think you mean 'attempt to disperse the protesters'.

Judging by the volume of work to be done and the fact that I doubt they are going to move along peacefully, I would say that it is downright dangerous at this point.

If they want the protesters to be dispersed, they'll be dispersed. The only question is how heavier hand they need in order to do it.

The Yellow shirts will probably want to have some of their people killed so that they can hold them up as martyrs, but from what I've read previous "red" governments have been significantly less violent than the last "yellow" government (Probably because the red governments get their power from a majority of voters, so public perception is important. The democrats on the other hand had the army at their back, so didn't need to worry about a military coup etc)

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The yellows and the Dems are very "OK" with the use if force, as we could witness during the last Democrats' administration deadly crackdown on their opponents, and all the arrogant comments/excuses/denials they made afterwards.

But please, use force only on the ugly dirty brainless underclass red thugs who should not be given a voice in society and be kept up country forever...

Do not even think about braking even a single yellow/Dems' protesters' nail or even mess his/her expensive hairstyle

It's quite funny to hear Suthep warn the government about using force, while he is responsible of the death of so many people. He is an amazing guy, really amazing

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Edited November 26, 2013 by gerry1011

[Artisi]

That's funny your post are so inaccurate and basic one could be excused for thinking your target audience is poorly informed and gullible children. Then I guess your more used to debating with reds, but thanks for the flame and sticking to the red formula.

How predictable. The losers are coming out with the most idiotic statements.

Try as you will you will never change the fact that this is not a yellow shirt movement.

This is a movement by grassroots citizens from all walks of life and political belief. The Yellow shirts are just riding on the coat tails of honest loving hard working Thailand citizens from all over the country. They were a political dead issue who seized on the work of honest citizens to try to justify their existence.They are not being paid for their protesting. Reason being some thing you people will never understand. They love Thailand and are tired of seeing it raped. Maybe you enjoy watching that but they don't. Maybe your a business man able to get into the trough with the other pigs.

As for the last government being yellow shirts explain to me why the yellow shirts would not vote for the

democrats. If they had we would have a far different government.

The facts are it is not and never will be a yellow shirt movement. It is from all political persuasion, They have even had red shirts up on the stage denying the government.

So you bunch just carry on and blame it all on as an all but defunct yellow shirt party. It will still be a protest by people who love Thailand.

On another note I felt kind of sorry when I saw the red shirt rally in there football stadium. So many empty seats and leaders who looked lost. They probably wanted to start jumping around and urging their supporters they had to burn Bangkok down.

Just like in their glory days of 2010

Do you have the capacity to watch and understand ASTV? Do you know the main players in the yellow shirt movement? Have you learnt who Anupong is yet? Ignorance is bliss.

What do the yellowshirts (PAD) and ASTV have to do with the current political crisis?Sometimes I think I am debating with intelligent, well informed people and then.......

Isn't it amazing, as soon as YL came out and issued what is probably an unenforceable edict, all the old red-brigade are starting to stir and jump on the band wagon with their in-accurate and futile drivel - guess they assume there will be blood spilt shortly or is that what they are hoping for.

It just proves they are typical uneducated thugs who can't see past their collective brown-noses, but that's ok they can sit in the comfort of their home sucking on another Chang beer waxing lyrically and showing their ignorance.

Of course, this beggars an important question, why are they in Thailand (that's if they are actually here) is it the cheap booze, maybe women or in some case boys, no rule of law so they feel they can do and say what they like or is it they feel so intelligence and worldly it makes them superior to the Thai people.

Well guess what, Thailand doesn't need them mouthing off in support of inept, corrupt and self-serving politicians.

[Arkady]

Blood is in the water.

We've gone from 'will not use force' to "don't want to use force". It's only a matter of time until it escalates. Getting the jack boots out now is the worst thing the Muppet princess could do.

I am not exactly sure what Suthep's strategy is at the moment and don't agree with his move to seize govt buildings but she does seem to have been painted into a corner by the mupeteer over the water. The Dem mob has followed the play book of the reds in 2009 and 2010 and the yellows in 2006 and 2008. She can no longer remain aloof pretend to know nothing about is going on and must now take a position - affirming that she will not resign or dissolve Parliament is a start. Using lethal force is a hiding to nothing and may prompt military intervention, as well as get her tangled in legal cases for years to come like Abhisit and Suthep. Yet her position now looks untenable and her government is unable to govern and refusing the acknowledge the Constitutional Court's authority, however flawed she may feel its judgment is (assuming she actually has an opinion of her own on it), is a very slippery wicket that could tip the balance in justifying a coup, if things turn violent. It is quite possible that she will receive another body blow from the NACC if it suspends all MPs and senators who supported the senate reform bill.

The mupeteer is playing his favorite high stakes poker game again but this time he is putting kin in harm's way, rather than just expendable red shirt cannon fodder.

[jpinx]

Occupying government buildings never ends well -- best they get out of that now if the demonstrators want Thailand to survive this mess with any semblance of democratic dignity. The PM is indeed between a rock and a hard place -- manipulated or otherwise is academic, she has to deal with it, and decisively. Best plan would probably just to call an election now. That will take the wind out of everyone's sails and give time for reflection and organising during the election preparations. Of course it's a risk that they might lose the election - but isn't that what democracy is all about ?

Edited November 26, 2013 by jpinx

[tingtongteesood]

It is SERIOUSLY concerning that the imperious government forces are purposely covering over the CCTV cameras so that there will not be cctv evidence of what happens. This action is utterly deplorable !!! Keep your camera phones at the ready peaceful protestors and make sure you record what they do for us all to see on Youtube....

[hellodolly]

Please identify these "old hands".

Thank you.

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Names please that is some thing that they don't know. they just know there is a boogy man under their bed waiting to get them

How predictable. The losers are coming out with the most idiotic statements.

Try as you will you will never change the fact that this is not a yellow shirt movement.

This is a movement by grassroots citizens from all walks of life and political belief. The Yellow shirts are just riding on the coat tails of honest loving hard working Thailand citizens from all over the country. They were a political dead issue who seized on the work of honest citizens to try to justify their existence.They are not being paid for their protesting. Reason being some thing you people will never understand. They love Thailand and are tired of seeing it raped. Maybe you enjoy watching that but they don't. Maybe your a business man able to get into the trough with the other pigs.

As for the last government being yellow shirts explain to me why the yellow shirts would not vote for the

democrats. If they had we would have a far different government.

The facts are it is not and never will be a yellow shirt movement. It is from all political persuasion, They have even had red shirts up on the stage denying the government.

So you bunch just carry on and blame it all on as an all but defunct yellow shirt party. It will still be a protest by people who love Thailand.

On another note I felt kind of sorry when I saw the red shirt rally in there football stadium. So many empty seats and leaders who looked lost. They probably wanted to start jumping around and urging their supporters they had to burn Bangkok down.

Just like in their glory days of 2010

Do you have the capacity to watch and understand ASTV? Do you know the main players in the yellow shirt movement? Have you learnt who Anupong is yet? Ignorance is bliss.

You must be the most blissful man in Thailand.

[Bpuumike]

Victory monument? You mean Democracy monument right?

Depends if you are Thai or Farang.