Thai protesters cut power to police headquarters

[tragickingdom]

It is obvious that thailand is a de facto failed state where thugs give the orders to cut electricity and the police is too busy taking bribes. A real banana republic

[aaacorp]

The comments here are always funny cause the people who support the Yellow ones would certainly not appreciate the same in their own country.

So now the yellow want to get rid of democracy (even if we all know that every side is corrupted) and the democrats which was not able to win a single election and need the back up of the army are the "good ones" ?

If the democrats wanted to be in charge maybe they should have take care of the voters instead of complaining afterwards.

You are being intentionally over simplistic - you know as well as us (and hence it shows the irrelevance of your post) that the demonstrators are not "Yellows", they are a mix of people - including Reds. There have been many reports of Reds joining the demonstration (even after taking money to go to the stadium). You attempt to make it plainly "must be yellows against the government" fails easily. Also the Dems are not running it - an ex Dem (quit so as not to bring his party along with his own personal decision) is the self-appointed leader - but even that was well after the show had started. Being against this government does not make people "yellow" it simply makes them "not PTP".

not ptp...and wanting an appointed government instead of the results of an election.

you are quite easily twisting it the other way to ;ake your point, but this movment is far from democarcy...

[aaacorp]

The comments here are always funny cause the people who support the Yellow ones would certainly not appreciate the same in their own country.

So now the yellow want to get rid of democracy (even if we all know that every side is corrupted) and the democrats which was not able to win a single election and need the back up of the army are the "good ones" ?

If the democrats wanted to be in charge maybe they should have take care of the voters instead of complaining afterwards.

What democracy?

There was elections right?

the Yingluck government won right?

Like it or not the Democrats are far more less democratics than the Yingluck government.

Occupy buildings and asking for the army to make a coup is worse than buying votes, as both sides do this.

You can yell or complain the yellow movment is just an enormous joke who want to get rid of elections and have an appointed bureau.

who are he worse then?

Again - the Democrats are not occupying buildings - the Yellows are not occupying building - the demonstrators of mixed allegiances (and no allegiances) are occupying the buildings.

no sure, that s why the leaders of these movments have resigned for democrat party to led this...you know as well as me that this movment is "made in Democrat"

[hellodolly]

Protesters cut electricity at Police HQ, patients at Police General Hospital affected; Police chief bars protesters entering premises /MCOT

The demonstrators tried to get in the hospital?

According to the article they just cut the power to the forensic unit in the hospital. Wonder how many of the posters on previous threads who didn't think much of the forensic here in Thailand are now saying it is a serious thing?

Protesters are demanding the end of the "Thaksin regime" and want to replace the government with an unelected "people's council" -- a demand Yingluck said was impossible under the constitution.

Kind of a funny situation for her. She is rite it would be unconstitutional.

But she has been saying that she was not going to honor the constitutional court decisions any way when they ruled against her.

My personal opinion is that Suthep had a good thing going for him but coming up with an unconstitutional solution is a little bit like Thaksins antics shooting himself in the foot. It would seem from here that nothing is going to happen just going to be a lot of demonstrating then the people will get tired of it and go home. Most of them are not like the red shirts and have to work for a living. No one is paying them to demonstrate.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying Suthep has a bad idea but it would be a violation of what many of them have come there to stand up for. They got the whitewash job scuttled and are now trying to make it an honest democracy. There will be a lot of heads rolling before that happens.

[Colabamumbai]

The lights have been off at Police Headquarters for many years now.

[peterpop]

Patients at Police General Hospital affected; Police chief bars protesters entering premises /MCOT

That will be a load of <deleted> too.... Smells like the propaganda machine is working overtime.

You would know of course.

[peterpop]

Protesters cut electricity at Police HQ, patients at Police General Hospital affected; Police chief bars protesters entering premises /MCOT

The demonstrators tried to get in the hospital?

According to the article they just cut the power to the forensic unit in the hospital. Wonder how many of the posters on previous threads who didn't think much of the forensic here in Thailand are now saying it is a serious thing?

Protesters are demanding the end of the "Thaksin regime" and want to replace the government with an unelected "people's council" -- a demand Yingluck said was impossible under the constitution.

Kind of a funny situation for her. She is rite it would be unconstitutional.

But she has been saying that she was not going to honor the constitutional court decisions any way when they ruled against her.

My personal opinion is that Suthep had a good thing going for him but coming up with an unconstitutional solution is a little bit like Thaksins antics shooting himself in the foot. It would seem from here that nothing is going to happen just going to be a lot of demonstrating then the people will get tired of it and go home. Most of them are not like the red shirts and have to work for a living. No one is paying them to demonstrate.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying Suthep has a bad idea but it would be a violation of what many of them have come there to stand up for. They got the whitewash job scuttled and are now trying to make it an honest democracy. There will be a lot of heads rolling before that happens.

Quote 'Most of them are not like the red shirts and have to work for a living'. No one is paying them to demonstrate.'. What staggering ignorance you have of the realities. It is about time you tried to understand the huge frustrations of the poor in this country. Taksin was as corrupt as all the previous Prime Ministers but at least he had sympathy for the poor and empowered them. Read your history my friend and then make an educated guess at the future.

[khunken]

The comments here are always funny cause the people who support the Yellow ones would certainly not appreciate the same in their own country.

So now the yellow want to get rid of democracy (even if we all know that every side is corrupted) and the democrats which was not able to win a single election and need the back up of the army are the "good ones" ?

If the democrats wanted to be in charge maybe they should have take care of the voters instead of complaining afterwards.

What democracy?

There was elections right?

the Yingluck government won right?

Like it or not the Democrats are far more less democratics than the Yingluck government.

Occupy buildings and asking for the army to make a coup is worse than buying votes, as both sides do this.

You can yell or complain the yellow movment is just an enormous joke who want to get rid of elections and have an appointed bureau.

who are he worse then?

Time for you to learn that democracy is not all about winning elections. Plus seriously flawed elections at that - vote buying (the side with the biggest war chest 'wins'), intimidation and promises that can only be fulfilled by bankrupting the country.

Ignoring an amnesty attempt that not only targeted their paymaster but would have been a disastrous precedent that both killing and corruption will be absolved. Refusing to accept a legal ruling from a court - just as the criminal fugitive did after failing to bribe the court.

The country is in a complete mess from any way you look at it and the faux democracy is not working. A pause is needed with time to weed out the dynasty running it (into the ground) and as many of the other dinosaurs feeding of the trough as possible.

[Benmart]

Fabulous security eh. They must really consider staggered lunch breaks...............

Please share the details of the security posture there. I was left out of the briefing that day. Thank you.

[h90]

Its already been confirmed by the hospital director that power to the main hospital was not cut - a forensic lab had its power cut and is running on generators - but not the main hospital. They also have generators ready. A policeman was slightly hurt, cut forehead; looks like he cut his head on the razor wire while trying to deflect the cutting of the cables - not details on that yet other than pictures of his cut eyebrow.

He cut himself on their own razor wire? So not at all the demonstrators fault, right?

So, if he was trying to prevent demonstrators cutting cables and got caught on some razor wire it is whose fault precisely? His? The wire's ? Or perhaps it I the people committing or attempting to commit a criminl act?

in this case I don't know but for several government buildings the labor union gave a letter that if the electric bill isn't paid the electric will be cut. As the government didn't pay bills. To have a legal background for cutting the wire.

But I don't know if it is the case for the police station as well.

[oldsailor35]

Its already been confirmed by the hospital director that power to the main hospital was not cut - a forensic lab had its power cut and is running on generators - but not the main hospital. They also have generators ready. A policeman was slightly hurt, cut forehead; looks like he cut his head on the razor wire while trying to deflect the cutting of the cables - not details on that yet other than pictures of his cut eyebrow.

He cut himself on their own razor wire? So not at all the demonstrators fault, right?

So, if he was trying to prevent demonstrators cutting cables and got caught on some razor wire it is whose fault precisely? His? The wire's ? Or perhaps it I the people committing or attempting to commit a criminl act?

The latter i should say ! and what a beautiful badge you have there .

[h90]

The comments here are always funny cause the people who support the Yellow ones would certainly not appreciate the same in their own country.

So now the yellow want to get rid of democracy (even if we all know that every side is corrupted) and the democrats which was not able to win a single election and need the back up of the army are the "good ones" ?

If the democrats wanted to be in charge maybe they should have take care of the voters instead of complaining afterwards.

What democracy?

There was elections right?

the Yingluck government won right?

Like it or not the Democrats are far more less democratics than the Yingluck government.

Occupy buildings and asking for the army to make a coup is worse than buying votes, as both sides do this.

You can yell or complain the yellow movment is just an enormous joke who want to get rid of elections and have an appointed bureau.

who are he worse then?

And you ignore the vote buying and the fact that the PTP basically destroy the base of democracy (separation of power)

[h90]

Can someone explain how the protesters are able to cut electricity to buildings so easily?

Bolt cutters and rubber gloves - like most places here, not-so-overhead cables.

yes not very difficult....a bit dangerous when the sparks are flying but doable.

[HUAHIN62]

Stop the f@#$n agruing between two groups of half wits. The country is on the verge of going over the edge and all you can do is arguing about who is right and who is wrong, ending up chasing your own tails. Both groups are wrong and two wrongs don't make a right.

In 2010 AV was wrong not to call an election earlier, after many requests, to prevent the protest from happening. BUT the Red shirts actions in BKK can not be acceptable to anyone thats pro-democracy and for the rule of law. The lack of political control over the police meant that the army had to do their job. The army is neither trained, equiped, didn't have good leadership nor had the correct rules of engagement to handle the 2010 protest. This led to the killing of people that was neither a threat or an armed civilian that could have posed a threat. The killing of these people must be condemned (Italian nurse and Thai paramedic for example). For those who say the RTA didn't do the shooting, all video evidence show that the high bround was held by the RTA. The shots came from outside of the temple and the only way people inside could have been shot was from the high ground. For those civilians who lost their lives while armed, destroying property or threating lives of others must be seen within the context of a violent conflict and the RTA can't be blamed for these deaths.

Jump to the present. PTP was wrong to push through the amnesty bill and the people had the right to protest against it. BUT invading government buildings and attacking police (one that was attacked near the monument and ended in hospital and others that was attacked with poles when they diverted the protest route) is not within the rule of law the same as the red shirt action in 2010. The attack on the journalist was a result of a protest leader identifying the man and instructing him to be removed. In the process he was assaulted. THIS is against any acceptable norms as its a direct attack on press freedom. Although this protest has not become violent yet (like 2010), the intention of the protest leaders are for it to become violent as without violence it will die a slow death.

To understand protest like this and understand its ultimate goals one should look at the money behind it. In 2010 the money behind the protest was from TS and everyone knew it was about him. The question is who's money is behind this protest ? Yes there is some companies thats given money, but who are they ? Why are they sponsoring these protesters if the result can harm their businesses badly ? There must be something more thats motivating them. And yes I know about them being against corruption etc etc. But now the truth about Thailand, every government before, during and after TS have been corrupt, some more than others, but corrupt. Part of this corruption is that the government give benefits to companies that support them (contracts etc). Today Suthep said " politicians will have no role to play in the political reforms" he wants to make happen (Bloomberg 28/11). In todays Bangkok Post, Voranai wrote an article about Suthep, stating that he (Suthep) wants to bring Thailand back to an absolute monarchy (please read this article). Now lets connect the dots, the companies that is sponsoring this protest is doing so because they are pro-absolute monarchy and because in the tradition of Thai politics they will benefit from a corrupt relationship from the future political system proposed by Suthep. Any future political system will just be as corrupt as the present. The protest is not about the present governments corruption nor about the people, its about corrupt money that is to be made in a future undemocratic political system. For Suthep there is a future without murder charges and untold influence and wealth to be had.

In the dark shadows stand the corrupters while the jester perform on stage and the people drunk with their own power cheer and rant only later to wake up to reality of their own lives. SAME SAME , MAI BPEN RAI

[wolf5370]

Its already been confirmed by the hospital director that power to the main hospital was not cut - a forensic lab had its power cut and is running on generators - but not the main hospital. They also have generators ready. A policeman was slightly hurt, cut forehead; looks like he cut his head on the razor wire while trying to deflect the cutting of the cables - not details on that yet other than pictures of his cut eyebrow.

He cut himself on their own razor wire? So not at all the demonstrators fault, right?

So, if he was trying to prevent demonstrators cutting cables and got caught on some razor wire it is whose fault precisely? His? The wire's ? Or perhaps it I the people committing or attempting to commit a criminl act?

The latter i should say ! and what a beautiful badge you have there .

Yes I don't think there can be much doubt there - criminal damage is not acceptable. If the Electric Company came to cut them off, they would remove/disconnect the metre, not use bolt cutters.

[Voice]

If government give in to this demonstrator it could be more demonstration out on street over and over again if anyone feels like it. To pay this ransom would be like encouraging riot and if government don’t seem to be doing anything about it and could be taken as weakness either way not good for government. Fresh election could be a solution but it could mean government given in to protester but I think it could the best move is she could announce new election to easing this tension once and for all…..it could prove government strength if they win election again.

[oldsailor35]

The comments here are always funny cause the people who support the Yellow ones would certainly not appreciate the same in their own country.

So now the yellow want to get rid of democracy (even if we all know that every side is corrupted) and the democrats which was not able to win a single election and need the back up of the army are the "good ones" ?

If the democrats wanted to be in charge maybe they should have take care of the voters instead of complaining afterwards.

What democracy?

There was elections right?

the Yingluck government won right?

Like it or not the Democrats are far more less democratics than the Yingluck government.

Occupy buildings and asking for the army to make a coup is worse than buying votes, as both sides do this.

You can yell or complain the yellow movment is just an enormous joke who want to get rid of elections and have an appointed bureau.

who are he worse then?

Again - the Democrats are not occupying buildings - the Yellows are not occupying building - the demonstrators of mixed allegiances (and no allegiances) are occupying the buildings.

NO! its Sutheps mob of sheep that are occupying buildings. He is the instigator of this unrest so he should be put in jail.

[Bpuumike]

Then do something about this Suthep and his gang of Hooligans.

Sure he's one of many queuing up for a slice of the 2 Ttrill loan

[oldsailor35]

The comments here are always funny cause the people who support the Yellow ones would certainly not appreciate the same in their own country.

So now the yellow want to get rid of democracy (even if we all know that every side is corrupted) and the democrats which was not able to win a single election and need the back up of the army are the "good ones" ?

If the democrats wanted to be in charge maybe they should have take care of the voters instead of complaining afterwards.

What democracy?

There was elections right?

the Yingluck government won right?

Like it or not the Democrats are far more less democratics than the Yingluck government.

Occupy buildings and asking for the army to make a coup is worse than buying votes, as both sides do this.

You can yell or complain the yellow movment is just an enormous joke who want to get rid of elections and have an appointed bureau.

who are he worse then?

And you ignore the vote buying and the fact that the PTP basically destroy the base of democracy (separation of power)

H90.........wake up, this is Thailand, all politicans and parties buy their way, that's how it is in Thailand.

On Koh Samui not so long ago a candidate for the mayoral elections was demanding a recount. Apparently she only got 14000 votes but had paid for 20000............makes anyone but a Thai cry with laughter !

Bye the way, she was not a redshirt, coming from the south guess who she supports ?

[wolf5370]

There was elections right?

the Yingluck government won right?

Like it or not the Democrats are far more less democratics than the Yingluck government.

Occupy buildings and asking for the army to make a coup is worse than buying votes, as both sides do this.

You can yell or complain the yellow movment is just an enormous joke who want to get rid of elections and have an appointed bureau.

who are he worse then?

Again - the Democrats are not occupying buildings - the Yellows are not occupying building - the demonstrators of mixed allegiances (and no allegiances) are occupying the buildings.

NO! its Sutheps mob of sheep that are occupying buildings. He is the instigator of this unrest so he should be put in jail.

Yes, it has been Suthep that escalated and called for the offices to be invaded. He is clearly running his own agenda now, and it seems to be playing well to quite a few people. now Dangerous to say he should be put in gaol for it though, many troubles since 2004 with leaders conspicuous by the fact they are not languishing in gaol.

[oldsailor35]

There was elections right?

the Yingluck government won right?

Like it or not the Democrats are far more less democratics than the Yingluck government.

Occupy buildings and asking for the army to make a coup is worse than buying votes, as both sides do this.

You can yell or complain the yellow movment is just an enormous joke who want to get rid of elections and have an appointed bureau.

who are he worse then?

Again - the Democrats are not occupying buildings - the Yellows are not occupying building - the demonstrators of mixed allegiances (and no allegiances) are occupying the buildings.

NO! its Sutheps mob of sheep that are occupying buildings. He is the instigator of this unrest so he should be put in jail.

Yes, it has been Suthep that escalated and called for the offices to be invaded. He is clearly running his own agenda now, and it seems to be playing well to quite a few people. now Dangerous to say he should be put in gaol for it though, many troubles since 2004 with leaders conspicuous by the fact they are not languishing in gaol.

Why not ? other party members were jailed .

[Spare]

If government give in to this demonstrator it could be more demonstration out on street over and over again if anyone feels like it. To pay this ransom would be like encouraging riot and if government don’t seem to be doing anything about it and could be taken as weakness either way not good for government. Fresh election could be a solution but it could mean government given in to protester but I think it could the best move is she could announce new election to easing this tension once and for all…..it could prove government strength if they win election again.

If she win again, Suthep will be back on the street the next day claiming the same thing all over again.

[wolf5370]

Yes, it has been Suthep that escalated and called for the offices to be invaded. He is clearly running his own agenda now, and it seems to be playing well to quite a few people. now Dangerous to say he should be put in gaol for it though, many troubles since 2004 with leaders conspicuous by the fact they are not languishing in gaol.

Why not ? other party members were jailed .

Not leaders though - others found guilty (or on remand for) more serious charges. A lot of crimes happen in times of dispute - there are always the opportunists and those that use the dispute for cover - and those that go over board. Leaders rarely get punished here from any side - all threats, and baloney. This has not changed with successive governments - and the amnesty was the ultimate example. There has been on going moaning that the PAD airport people are still on external remand, yet there has been no attempt to prosecute them even under this government. If the world turned upside down and the Dems got in I doubt any of the 2010 lot would end up in gaol either. Just the way it goes here - at the end of the day, cover each other's <deleted>.

Edited November 28, 2013 by wolf5370

[wolf5370]

If government give in to this demonstrator it could be more demonstration out on street over and over again if anyone feels like it. To pay this ransom would be like encouraging riot and if government don’t seem to be doing anything about it and could be taken as weakness either way not good for government. Fresh election could be a solution but it could mean government given in to protester but I think it could the best move is she could announce new election to easing this tension once and for all…..it could prove government strength if they win election again.

If she win again, Suthep will be back on the street the next day claiming the same thing all over again.

I doubt the PTP would go again with her in the chair - a re-election would be under different leadership I think. It would be the best way to say, "Look no strings".

[Bagwan]

The comments here are always funny cause the people who support the Yellow ones would certainly not appreciate the same in their own country.

So now the yellow want to get rid of democracy (even if we all know that every side is corrupted) and the democrats which was not able to win a single election and need the back up of the army are the "good ones" ?

If the democrats wanted to be in charge maybe they should have take care of the voters instead of complaining afterwards.

So logically you are saying that any Government voted out of power doesn't stand a chance of being re-elected at some future date. Twenty years have gone by and water has passed under the bridge. Maybe the Dem leopard has lost a few spots.

[silent]

The Police had a Gen-set that was operational. Thailand is full of surprises. I wonder if it has UPS back up?

[Bagwan]

Patients at Police General Hospital affected; Police chief bars protesters entering premises /MCOT

That will be a load of <deleted> too.... Smells like the propaganda machine is working overtime.

You would know of course.

Apparently he did. If you are Thai, or think like one. I suppose you will blame your keyboard for making an ass of yourself.

[Marcel1]

Just hear from my friend who works close to the police hq her friend works there she told that the reds turn the electricity themself to blame the whitesss

[h90]

If government give in to this demonstrator it could be more demonstration out on street over and over again if anyone feels like it. To pay this ransom would be like encouraging riot and if government don’t seem to be doing anything about it and could be taken as weakness either way not good for government. Fresh election could be a solution but it could mean government given in to protester but I think it could the best move is she could announce new election to easing this tension once and for all…..it could prove government strength if they win election again.

More demonstrations? Where have you been from 2005 to now? There were all the time demonstrations from yellows and reds.

[Loles]

....." want to replace the government with an unelected "people's council" ...."

If they can't win the election this maens don't make election. 55555555555

And off course they are the experts, whose can be in new government. 5555555555555

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