Popular Post Misterwhisper Posted November 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2013 "He said the red-shirt people used to fight against 60,000 troops and armoured carriers..." Oh, yeah? Not that he was ever seen anywhere near the "frontline". I also seem to distinctly remember that during one incident when red-shirts clashed with soldiers back in 2010, he was reported to sit it out in a nearby McDonald's restaurant, happily munching away while his "brothers and sisters" got bloodied in the street. Why has this abrasive, big-mouthed thug not been arrested yet? He has violated his bail conditions dozens of times over the past few days. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwan Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Jatuporn warns demonstrating Ramkhamhaeng students against coming to Rajamangala BANGKOK: -- Red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan Saturday warned Ramkhamhaeng students, who gathered inside the Ramkhamaheng 1 campus, against coming to the Rajamangala Stadium. Jatuporn said it was fine for the students to rally inside their campus but if they attempted to block red-shirt people from entering the Rajamangala Stadium, the students themselves would get hurt. "They have their right to rally. But if they come here, the ones to get hurt will not be the ones inside the Rajamangala but the students themselves," Jatuporn said. He said the red-shirt people used to fight against 60,000 troops and armoured carriers so they are not afraid of Ramkhamhaeng students. -- The Nation 2013-11-30 Jatuporn is playing right into Suthep's hands. Poke, poke, poke..... Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand Correct, Jutaporn wasn't afraid, he was hiding behind someone else when ever there was any real action - seems he is all mouth and trousers, unfortunately doesn't seem to be too much in the trousers though. Au contraire, mon brave. What's in his trousers describes him pretty accurately whether you have a front or back view.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) ""They have their right to rally. But if they come here, the ones to get hurt will not be the ones inside the Rajamangala but the students themselves," Jatuporn said." Straight from the red shirt fascist bible: you have rights as long as you don't try to use them. Take it away joe. http://m.youtube.com/watch?autoplay=1&v=bL0CCphgmZ8&desktop_uri=%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DbL0CCphgmZ8%2526autoplay%253D1 Edited November 30, 2013 by Bluespunk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dogmatix Posted November 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Jatuporn seems ignorant of Thai history. He should not underestimate Thai students when they are politically motivated. It was Ramkhamhaeng students that caused the final blow off in the 1992 political crisis by barricading themselves in their campus and refusing to back down even when the army moved tanks into position in front of them. They clearly would have stood their ground and been slaughtered, if the King hadn't intervened that night. In 1976 Thammasat students stood up to the military and were shot, beaten to death, raped and hanged, while the survivors fled to the jungles to save their lives. In 1973 Thai students fought on in the face of helicopter gunships and fought heavily armed police until all were dead. Thai students have been sleeping politically for over 20 years but now they are awake and will not go back to sleep easily. They will fight for proper democracy that forces elected representatives to respect the rule of law because it is for their future. Jatuporn, Nattuwut, Veera and all the other paid Southern lackeys leading the red shirts should take a reality check by visiting their native South and find out how much they are really loved by their own people down there. Edited November 30, 2013 by Dogmatix 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtonormal Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Jatuporn seems ignorant of Thai history. He should not underestimate Thai students when they are politically motivated. It was Ramkhamhaeng students that caused the final blow off in the 1992 political crisis by barricading themselves in their campus and refusing to back down even when the army moved tanks into position in front of them. They clearly would have stood their ground and been slaughtered, if the King hadn't intervened that night. In 1976 Thammasat students stood up to the military and were shot, beaten to death, raped and hanged, while the survivors fled to the jungles to save their lives. In 1973 Thai students fought on in the face of helicopter gunships and fought heavily armed police until all were dead. Thai students have been sleeping politically for over 20 years but now they are awake and will not go back to sleep easily. They will fight for proper democracy that forces elected representatives to respect the rule of law because it is for their future. Jatuporn, Nattuwut, Veera and all the other paid Southern lackeys leading the red shirts should take a reality check by visiting their native South and find out how much they are really loved by their own people down there. Those students were fighting the royalist elites, the Red Gaur, village scouts and the army bullies,,,a little like the Yingluck government. Paid for technical students at todays protest wont have the heart to tangle with some of these farmer boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The students are fuming because the red shirts who came into the area desecratied a local statue of the founder of their school. links or photos please Link, which you'll immediately dismiss as an Abhisit's government plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The Minister for War has spoken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Those students were fighting the royalist elites, the Red Gaur, village scouts and the army bullies,,,a little like the Yingluck government. Paid for technical students at todays protest wont have the heart to tangle with some of these farmer boys 1) Not an accurate assessment of historical events as told by ANY side. 2) Yingluck nor her government are in the same class as the students that died in the past 3) Please show us ANY indication that there are "paid for technical students" in current events. 4) I assume you know that RU is not a technical college but is , in fact, a full university providing education to Thai people regardless of their backgrounds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAERTH Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 It is funny. Rajamangala is as good as a part of the Ramkhamheang Uni campus. Yet Jabba the Hut tells the students to stay away from their own campus.W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabruce Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 "They have their right to rally. But if they come here, the ones to get hurt will not be the ones inside the Rajamangala but the students themselves," Jatuporn said. Exactly the reason the current government need to be ousted. I think Jatuporn may for once actually have a valid point here. It's obvious if they try to block the reds they're going to get hurt. Jatuporn doesn't want that, so he's right in making it crystal clear to students, surely? What if reds went to try to block people going to peaceful Democrat rally? Would Suthep have a fair point if he warned them that they risk reprisal? I think so. I've got no problem criticizing Jatuporn. I think he's a moron who talks nonsense 90% of the time. But this seems a fair warning to students not to needlessly provoke reds. Read the translation more carefullly. It's a threat, not a warning. Granted it's an English translation, so who knows what the original thai says. I would agree with you that rival demonstrations in the same place is a VERY BAD IDEA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Jatuporn seems ignorant of Thai history. He should not underestimate Thai students when they are politically motivated. It was Ramkhamhaeng students that caused the final blow off in the 1992 political crisis by barricading themselves in their campus and refusing to back down even when the army moved tanks into position in front of them. They clearly would have stood their ground and been slaughtered, if the King hadn't intervened that night. In 1976 Thammasat students stood up to the military and were shot, beaten to death, raped and hanged, while the survivors fled to the jungles to save their lives. In 1973 Thai students fought on in the face of helicopter gunships and fought heavily armed police until all were dead. Thai students have been sleeping politically for over 20 years but now they are awake and will not go back to sleep easily. They will fight for proper democracy that forces elected representatives to respect the rule of law because it is for their future. Jatuporn, Nattuwut, Veera and all the other paid Southern lackeys leading the red shirts should take a reality check by visiting their native South and find out how much they are really loved by their own people down there. Those students were fighting the royalist elites, the Red Gaur, village scouts and the army bullies,,,a little like the Yingluck government. Paid for technical students at todays protest wont have the heart to tangle with some of these farmer boys Actually the technical students are the most dangerous ones who fight rival schools with pen guns, home made grenades and Samurai swords. In 1973 they made the female students march at the front of the columns because they couldn't believe the police would open fire on them. Sadly they were wrong but that enflamed the surviving students even more. Some even attacked a police station with fire engines they filled up with petrol to turn their hoses into flame throwers. We'll see what happens, if Jatuporn gives the order to his red shirt thugs to attack students. Edited November 30, 2013 by Dogmatix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rixalex Posted November 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2013 Those students were fighting the royalist elites, the Red Gaur, village scouts and the army bullies,,,a little like the Yingluck government. Laughable to suggest the Yingluck government is fighting any of those groups. Just take the "army bullies" for one. All of the ongoing court proceedings we are seeing regarding the events of 2010. And how many of them are targeting the actions of the military? Not one. You could be forgiven for thinking they weren't involved.. weren't even there perhaps. Yes, Yingluck is really giving those "army bullies" what for. This government fights for one thing, and that one thing is a man in Dubai (or wherever the coward is holed-up these days). If the events of the last month haven't demonstrated that, you haven't been paying attention. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 According to Thai Rath and the Chancellor at RU, 2 RU students have already been injured. T can't post Thai in here but some of the rather eloquent rhetoric would make a Catholic blush .... (Mara's womb --- Mara being the tempter of Buddha -- so basiclly Satan's womb ... oy vey!) I will post an Eng language link when one pops up if I am at home. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dogmatix Posted November 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2013 Those students were fighting the royalist elites, the Red Gaur, village scouts and the army bullies,,,a little like the Yingluck government. Laughable to suggest the Yingluck government is fighting any of those groups. Just take the "army bullies" for one. All of the ongoing court proceedings we are seeing regarding the events of 2010. And how many of them are targeting the actions of the military? Not one. You could be forgiven for thinking they weren't involved.. weren't even there perhaps. Yes, Yingluck is really giving those "army bullies" what for. This government fights for one thing, and that one thing is a man in Dubai (or wherever the coward is holed-up these days). If the events of the last month haven't demonstrated that, you haven't been paying attention. Well put. What are the red shirts fighting for now? Amnesty for Abhisit and Suthep for their parts in the killings of red shirt protesters in 2010; the quashing of corruption convictions following due process; the annulment of 25,000 pending corruption cases; the right to ignore court rulings they don't like; the right to pack the Senate with political nominees; the right to keep a ruinous rice pledging scheme which pays out more money to wealthy politicians and middlemen than it does to poor farmers; the right to build a wasteful hi-speed train network that will pay out 40% in bribes to politicians; a per diem of B2,000 plus free food and shelter and a return bus trip to Bangkok? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) link did not load the photo so doing it manually -- The high-so entertainment at the stadium ... (and how empty it is!) There are about 100 buses heading down from Udon now though (so that will add 50% to the crowd) Edited November 30, 2013 by jdinasia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Jatuporn seems ignorant of Thai history. He should not underestimate Thai students when they are politically motivated. It was Ramkhamhaeng students that caused the final blow off in the 1992 political crisis by barricading themselves in their campus and refusing to back down even when the army moved tanks into position in front of them. They clearly would have stood their ground and been slaughtered, if the King hadn't intervened that night. In 1976 Thammasat students stood up to the military and were shot, beaten to death, raped and hanged, while the survivors fled to the jungles to save their lives. In 1973 Thai students fought on in the face of helicopter gunships and fought heavily armed police until all were dead. Thai students have been sleeping politically for over 20 years but now they are awake and will not go back to sleep easily. They will fight for proper democracy that forces elected representatives to respect the rule of law because it is for their future. Jatuporn, Nattuwut, Veera and all the other paid Southern lackeys leading the red shirts should take a reality check by visiting their native South and find out how much they are really loved by their own people down there. Jatuporn was a Ramkhamhaeng student leader and was one of the last people on the stage in 1992 when the bullets started flying, so I doubt he's ignorant of that particular slice of history. Thida, Weng and other red shirt leaders and no doubt some of those in the red shirt crowd were present during the demonstrations in 73, 76 and 92 also, and these stories are often told on the stage. Also it wasn't the military in 76. They were just co-ordinating things in the background. Those who actually took part in the massacre included royalist vigilantes comprised of Village Scouts (rural villagers and urban right-wing bourgeoise) and Red Gaur (technical students and high school drop outs), who were lead & encouraged by the Nawapon (a shadowy right-wing organisation which involved many of the old elites) and the Border Police. Unfortunately, I believe these particular RU students now stand against the very parliamentary democracy which you so rightly point out students have fought and died for in the past. And for some reason they seem to be deliberately trying to provoke red shirts: Jack Kurtz @photogjack 2h #bangkok bottles being thrown at Red Shirts at Rajamangala stadium. Throwers appear to be anti-govt students. L. Suwanrumpha @TheLilyfish 2h Ramkamhaeng students just chased, beat Red Shirt down main road. Confrontation over now. georgehenton @georgehenton 2h Group just chased red shirt down road. Hitting him with sticks. He has now got away. Protester leaders trying to pull people back. Edited November 30, 2013 by Emptyset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBerg Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Jutaporn is preparing to instigate fights. Thaksin style. Torch the place and pull police/army into it. The missunderstood fugitive is a smart guy though. He knows very well which group he must fear most: the youth.The students know the area around the stadium very well; they have the knowhow and the brains to shut it off. Jutaporn will try to silence the students at all costs. Look at f.i. the arabian spring. The big changes come from the youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonneke breda Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Hate it that I'm not in BKK now, or I would have marched to the police station and filed a complaint over this threat, but doesn't seen Thais bother that much, until shit hits them, not even the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I see that CAPO has said : CAPO Spokesman Pol.Maj.Gen. Piya Uthayo said officers from the Nang Leong police stations had arrested Ek Thaothong and seized his gun in one of the protest areas. The arrest showed that the places were not safe, the officials said. They have not said which protest area, anti Govt or red. Nor have said which group Ek is aligned to. If it was in an anti Govt protest area and it is anything like the others who have been detained, he was likely first caught by the guards then taken to the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBerg Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 This threat looks like a serious one. Red shirts did desacrate the statue a few times the past days. Perhaps it was meant to intimidate the students to keep out of the conflict. It may very well have unleashed a small yet strong force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Also note that spike have again been scattered on the road from the South, is reported that at least 100 vehicles have had their tyres punctured. No doubt in an attempt to stop people joining the anti Govt rally. Now who would do a thing like that ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) According to Thai Rath and the Chancellor at RU, 2 RU students have already been injured. T can't post Thai in here but some of the rather eloquent rhetoric would make a Catholic blush .... (Mara's womb --- Mara being the tempter of Buddha -- so basiclly Satan's womb ... oy vey!) I will post an Eng language link when one pops up if I am at home. I haven't seen details of that yet, but there are reports coming in from journalists on the scene: L. Suwanrumpha @TheLilyfish 7m Two red elderly males have been pulled off their motorbikes outside Uni. L. Suwanrumpha @TheLilyfish 4m They were eventually stopped by protest leaders " They are old! Enough!" But both men have taken a battering. Wayne Hay @wayne_hay 8m A red shirt appearing to be badly injured outside university. Student stage now retreating into university Wayne Hay @wayne_hay 2m The injured man has been taken away in ambulance unconscious #Thailand It seems to have taken on the character of a mass brawl, so wouldn't be surprised if there's more. Edit: It actually appears that students are blocking route to stadium (or one route anyway?) and attacking red shirts that try to get passed Saksith Saiyasombut @Saksith 1m Very, very volatile and chaotic scenes right now on Blue Sky Channel, looks a mob frenzy chasing after every car that looks like red shirts L. Suwanrumpha @TheLilyfish 7m A taxi has been smashed with ppl inside. They drove away but front pane completely shattered Edited November 30, 2013 by Emptyset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta2013 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Did you see those red shirts get beaten unconcious by the Suthep/Democrat mob.......... Shame on you Suthep/Abhisit - you have created a violent mob trying to otherthrow the government - it sedition. You should all be in jail. Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta2013 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Violent anti-government protesters........watching them live now - a total disgrace. Sickening beating of old men. Disgusting Suthep and his democrat/yellow shirt mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Violent anti-government protesters........watching them live now - a total disgrace. Sickening beating of old men. Disgusting Suthep and his democrat/yellow shirt mob. Pardon me ... but exactly where and when was this happening and do you have a source? (I rather doubt that this was anywhere near Suthep's group ... and have no idea if it involved anti-government protesters.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted November 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Did you see those red shirts get beaten unconcious by the Suthep/Democrat mob.......... Shame on you Suthep/Abhisit - you have created a violent mob trying to otherthrow the government - it sedition. You should all be in jail. Disgusting. Not sure why you are blaming Abhisit but if leaders were guilty for the independent actions of their more thuggish followers there wouldn't be any PT leaders walking the streets. Edited November 30, 2013 by Bluespunk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta2013 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Sutheps mob resort to violence, beating old men and smashing up a taxi................ total and utter disgrace. Saksith Saiyasombut @Saksith 1m Screengrab of taxi smashed up by mob at Ramkhamhaeng RT @PanusD pic.twitter.com/WcUyltGHgi Simon Roughneen @simonroughneen 4m Anti thaksin protestors push a bit closer to redshirt rally, just smashed up a taxi, #thailand pic.twitter.com/Fq6upHgn9i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta2013 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Disgusting anti-government protestors........... Wayne Hay @wayne_hay 21m A red shirt appearing to be badly injured outside university. Student stage now retreating into university L. Suwanrumpha @TheLilyfish 18m They were eventually stopped by protest leaders " They are old! Enough!" But both men have taken a battering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Violent anti-government protesters........watching them live now - a total disgrace. Sickening beating of old men. Disgusting Suthep and his democrat/yellow shirt mob. Pardon me ... but exactly where and when was this happening and do you have a source? (I rather doubt that this was anywhere near Suthep's group ... and have no idea if it involved anti-government protesters.) Er, I posted details above. Click on the links for the twitter feeds of the journalists at the scene. Looks like some red shirts are coming out of the stadium with sticks now to confront the students. It's not a group under direct control of Suthep, but think more anti-govt protesters are heading that way now. Edited November 30, 2013 by Emptyset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchuetzRob Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The Red Shirts are the real uneducated violent thugs from the Northeast. Something should be done about these misfits of society who only live on handouts from the corrupt government. Don't you think its wrong to threaten mere students with violence. People in Bangkok and elsewhere should start taking actions in whatetver way they can to prevent these upcountry thugs who do not even pay taxes from being in Bangkok to create violent crimes. I make it a ponit these days never to empoly people from the Northeast and rather even employ Burmese. Also, I do not patronise any businesses owned or run by these northeasterners. i hope you are having a try at sarcasm, although not a very good one at that. but if this should be your honest opinion, then i pity you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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