1 dead, four people shot at Ramkhamhaeng University after clashes

[lovetotravel]

The government has shown incredible restraint so far.

They don't have a choice. If it gets out of hand, the army will step in and that will be the end of PTP. The army doesn't want to do this, but if there is too much bloodshed, they will have no choice.

[Dogmatix]

Miss Puppet has left the country just now. Going to Johannesburg. Can't step down now.

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Is this confirmed?

Nonsense.

A fake manipulation of an older trip plan from about half a year ago,

Just changed dates.

They were just not smart enough to make it a one way trip and remove the "party of about 100 persons".

5555

Another shame for the yellow TG airline (they should repaint their planes).

If she really was fleeing, I am sure that she could find 100 persons to accompany her and it does no harm to book a return flight. After all they don't pay for their seats and the return fare is often no more than one way.

[ppmacready]

Every one in politics is corrupt, but-

The Elite right wing can not accept democracy as it erodes the power they have held for century's over the uneducated poor.

Its a shame whilst studying in the west they didn't learn from history that you can't hold a people down forever!

[yourauntbob]

Apparently (from the missus) a lot of what is being posted on social media contradicts many of the things report by the news. I am not sure what info to trust anymore, i sincerely hope that all this calms down and common sense prevails.

Well, there's certainly an awful lot of nonsense rumours & speculation posted on social media by both sides, so I wouldn't automatically trust it more than the news...

agreed, but apparently the news report a break in a government building but on facebook/youtube there is a video of government officials opening the gate for the protestors. then we saw reports about the shooting, and there are videos that didnt quite line up.

really not taking sides in this one, but i think others shouldnt be quick to either.

[MikeOboe57]

Miss Puppet has left the country just now. Going to Johannesburg. Can't step down now.

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Is this confirmed?

Nonsense.

A fake manipulation of an older trip plan from about half a year ago,

Just changed dates.

They were just not smart enough to make it a one way trip and remove the "party of about 100 persons".

5555

Another shame for the yellow TG airline (they should repaint their planes).

Get your facts straight. It is a genuine plan. TG announced that the flight was cancelled "before the protests". So another shopping spree and promotion trip for "Thai democracy" at tax payers' expenses was foiled by the protests - nice.

[HuaHinHarold]

In August some die hard PAD'rs told me about the plans for the marches and guerilla-tactics to occupy the ministries, they said the PAD leaders were brainstorming and counseling and that it wouldn't take long before action.

How fortunate you were to be included in the discussion of such secretive and clandestine plans.

However, it's too bad you didn't go rogue agent and reveal these covert special ops to the proper authorities as then, no one would have been killed or injured now and it would have been due to your valiant courage.

Ah well, opportunity missed.

.

[yourauntbob]

The government has shown incredible restraint so far.

and should continue to do so. the military should not fire a single shot at ANYONE no matter what. the military/government should protect the people, not be the cause of violence.

[sorbormoryorhor]

Are they all trying to get the last punch in before 5th Dec?. Peace, brotherhood and goodwill....the perfect and most dignified birthday gift....ahem.

[Hulkster]

The government has shown incredible restraint so far.

and should continue to do so. the military should not fire a single shot at ANYONE no matter what. the military/government should protect the people, not be the cause of violence.

You have protesters hijacking government buildings, inciting violence, intent on overthrowing the democratically government by any means necessary. Lethal force should be a last resort, but should it get to that stage I have no problem with the police and/or military using it to maintain control.

[zydeco]

The government has shown incredible restraint so far.

and should continue to do so. the military should not fire a single shot at ANYONE no matter what. the military/government should protect the people, not be the cause of violence.

You have protesters hijacking government buildings, inciting violence, intent on overthrowing the democratically government by any means necessary. Lethal force should be a last resort, but should it get to that stage I have no problem with the police and/or military using it to maintain control.

There are allegations and some visual evidence that last night at the stadium the police and the Redshirts were interchangeable. When the police resembles the Ton Ton Macoute more than a reputable agency to maintain law and order, you're going to have what you have right now. Streets filled with opponents who want to be rid of them and their influence.

[MikeOboe57]

The government has shown incredible restraint so far.

and should continue to do so. the military should not fire a single shot at ANYONE no matter what. the military/government should protect the people, not be the cause of violence.

You have protesters hijacking government buildings, inciting violence, intent on overthrowing the democratically government by any means necessary. Lethal force should be a last resort, but should it get to that stage I have no problem with the police and/or military using it to maintain control.

Nice to see you approve Abhisit's and Suthep's handling of the red siege of Bangkok in 2010.

[Prbkk]

Certainly time for water cannons and tear gas to clear this rabble. Overdue. People's committee? More like a gang of four

[Biscuit22]

The government has shown incredible restraint so far.

They don't have a choice. If it gets out of hand, the army will step in and that will be the end of PTP. The army doesn't want to do this, but if there is too much bloodshed, they will have no choice.

It is almost certainly already under discussion in some areas of the armed forces.

While the police remain one sided, and allow the red shirts to attempt to murder students at RU, and run amock damaging property and beating up bystanders at will (which is currently happening). Then there is no point having a police force there in the first place. Where is SWAT? there are armed men running through the streets unloading their guns completely unchecked.

Even with the 'leniency' tactic, this should not be allowed to happen let alone continue. I am struggling to think of a different country where this would happen, the special forces would have been mobilized in a heartbeat, and the gunmen would have been taken out with marksmen. But not here.

[Hulkster]

The government has shown incredible restraint so far.

and should continue to do so. the military should not fire a single shot at ANYONE no matter what. the military/government should protect the people, not be the cause of violence.

You have protesters hijacking government buildings, inciting violence, intent on overthrowing the democratically government by any means necessary. Lethal force should be a last resort, but should it get to that stage I have no problem with the police and/or military using it to maintain control.

Nice to see you approve Abhisit's and Suthep's handling of the red siege of Bangkok in 2010.

Violence wasn't used as a last resort with snipers picking off protesters. Plus that government had no legitimacy.

On this occasion we have a democratically elected government who on Thursday easily survived a no confidence motion in parliament.

Should lethal force be required for the government to maintain control of the country, then it should be used.

[DrDweeb]

And another incorrect and misleading item from the AP article:

"The protesters' arch enemy Thaksin lives in self-imposed exile to avoid a jail term for a corruption conviction that he contends is politically motivated, but is widely believed to be the real power behind the ruling party."

His conviction is not for corruption it's for abuse of power which is an entirely different subject. AP always says this and always adds the tag about 'he contends is politically motivated'.

AP know the details of the charge quite well and it's been pointed out to them before that their words are incorrect and misleading but they never correct their writing.

The said charge and conviction are not politically motivated, in fact he was found guilty and was given 2 years in jail whilst his own party was the government. He had the chance of appeal but didn't appeal.

He didn't even defend himself in the case!

The facts of the case are not in dispute. Thaksin's defence was that what took place (land deal with the government and his wife and therefore also him by extension) was not covered in his specific case. His argument that the owner of the land was not in fact the government (that would be illegal). It was a government owned body of some sort (excuse my lack of details). His defence rested on a previous court decision where the court ruled that this very government body was in fact not the government.

The court in this case decided that the previous decision didn't count or was just wrong, and found Thaksin guilty. End of.

Thaksin has nothing to appeal about, because there are no material facts that are in dispute. I think the case in which he was convicted was the first case tried because it was a slam dunk.

[Biscuit22]

Certainly time for water cannons and tear gas to clear this rabble. Overdue. People's committee? More like a gang of four

Oh don't worry. I am sure that those whom you glorify have all sorts of agendas that should satisfy your blood lust. Last night was a start for you, the police and reds have done you proud.

Unfortunately for you, the students proved to be a worthy match. Thus leaving no other option than for the red shirts to descend back to their normal ways of looting and indiscriminate violence against everything that moves and anyone's shop or home is a target. But hey, I suppose when you have the police aiding you and government backing for it.... why not.

[Spare]

Why does the Red has to be so violent. Can they just keep their fire weapons to themselves?

Why did they have to (alleged) shoot and kill so many Thai University student?

Don't the red think that illegally occupying their place of study (Ram University) is already bad enough?

[maengda]

 

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Is this confirmed?

 

 

Nonsense.

A fake manipulation of an older trip plan from about half a year ago,

Just changed dates.

They were just not smart enough to make it a one way trip and remove the "party of about 100 persons".

5555

Another shame for the yellow TG airline (they should repaint their planes).

 

 

I hope I'm wrong. She needs to face the music.

[bkkjames]

Certainly time for water cannons and tear gas to clear this rabble. Overdue. People's committee? More like a gang of four

Even if Suthep and crew manage to take all the TV stations, I still believe that the Soaps tonight will be shown in their entirety...albeit with a slight delay.

Re: Rabble, just out of curiosity, were you spouting the same when the Red's Occupied central Bangkok a couple year's back?

Unfortunately for Jatuporn and team, they made too many errors this time around. 1) Set up a fort in a stadium of little significance but essentially cornered themselves 2) Over-estimated the desire within their own camp to fight another fight while completely underestimating the other side's desire. 3) Somebody must have gotten to him to call off the red show and send everyone home

Now I seem to remember somebody the other day from the head of transport unions saying he would shut down everything should violence / force be used against the protesters...seems that time has come.

Will be an interesting rest of the day and most likely a more violent evening ahead.

[Prbkk]

No, I would clear out the reds as well....each as bad as the other...but we can't have thugs ...of either colour...running the streets and stopping people going about their legitimate business

Certainly time for water cannons and tear gas to clear this rabble. Overdue. People's committee? More like a gang of four

Oh don't worry. I am sure that those whom you glorify have all sorts of agendas that should satisfy your blood lust. Last night was a start for you, the police and reds have done you proud.

Unfortunately for you, the students proved to be a worthy match. Thus leaving no other option than for the red shirts to descend back to their normal ways of looting and indiscriminate violence against everything that moves and anyone's shop or home is a target. But hey, I suppose when you have the police aiding you and government backing for it.... why not.

[Biscuit22]

Why does the Red has to be so violent. Can they just keep their fire weapons to themselves?

Why did they have to (alleged) shoot and kill so many Thai University student?

Don't the red think that illegally occupying their place of study (Ram University) is already bad enough?

Well this demonstrates the real reason they were shot at back in 2010.

Now the army have moved into the RU compound to save the students from the terrorists. Let's hope a couple of the brain dead reds get the insane notion to take a couple of pot shots at the army.

The police need removed from the streets, only the army is effective against the red shirts.

By the time this is all over, I suspect the death toll to be higher than 2010.

[AleG]

The government has shown incredible restraint so far.

They don't have a choice. If it gets out of hand, the army will step in and that will be the end of PTP. The army doesn't want to do this, but if there is too much bloodshed, they will have no choice.

It also helps to have a mob with a long and lurid history of violence to intimidate, beat up and shoot at your opponents, while you smile and wave ever so reconciliatorily.

[bkkjames]

No, I would clear out the reds as well....each as bad as the other...but we can't have thugs ...of either colour...running the streets and stopping people going about their legitimate business

Certainly time for water cannons and tear gas to clear this rabble. Overdue. People's committee? More like a gang of four

Oh don't worry. I am sure that those whom you glorify have all sorts of agendas that should satisfy your blood lust. Last night was a start for you, the police and reds have done you proud.

Unfortunately for you, the students proved to be a worthy match. Thus leaving no other option than for the red shirts to descend back to their normal ways of looting and indiscriminate violence against everything that moves and anyone's shop or home is a target. But hey, I suppose when you have the police aiding you and government backing for it.... why not.

Sorry mate, you seem a bit confused if you think my observation was in anyway Pro Red. Go back a few thousand posts of mine if you have the time when our dear friends were busy throwing blood around and burning the city for my feelings.

[MikeOboe57]

Violence wasn't used as a last resort with snipers picking off protesters. Plus that government had no legitimacy.

Nice to see you approve Abhisit's and Suthep's handling of the red siege of Bangkok in 2010.

On this occasion we have a democratically elected government who on Thursday easily survived a no confidence motion in parliament.

Should lethal force be required for the government to maintain control of the country, then it should be used.

I knew you would bring in the old red fairy tale of the "no legitimacy". Parties switching allegiance in mid-term is a common trait in democracies. The German chancellor Helmut Kohl came to power in the same way.

[Asiantravel]

Certainly time for water cannons and tear gas to clear this rabble. Overdue. People's committee? More like a gang of four

Oh don't worry. I am sure that those whom you glorify have all sorts of agendas that should satisfy your blood lust. Last night was a start for you, the police and reds have done you proud.

Unfortunately for you, the students proved to be a worthy match. Thus leaving no other option than for the red shirts to descend back to their normal ways of looting and indiscriminate violence against everything that moves and anyone's shop or home is a target. But hey, I suppose when you have the police aiding you and government backing for it.... why not.

I would love to ask the yellow shirt supporters what are they fighting for in such a violent action? I mean, what is so vital that it deserves the death of some of their fellow citizens

and deny the existing government the right to finish its term instead of campaigning in a general election as most countries around the world seemed to be able to do it effectively?

Hypothetically if the Democrats got into power now how would this change the lives of some of these protesters in any dramatic way in the short term or even the medium term compared to now?

Edited December 1, 2013 by Asiantravel

[sorbormoryorhor]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/webmobile/politics/Five-killed-inside-Ramkhamhaeng-University-deputy--30221048.html

An M67...and so it begins, again.

[Biscuit22]

Certainly time for water cannons and tear gas to clear this rabble. Overdue. People's committee? More like a gang of four

Oh don't worry. I am sure that those whom you glorify have all sorts of agendas that should satisfy your blood lust. Last night was a start for you, the police and reds have done you proud.

Unfortunately for you, the students proved to be a worthy match. Thus leaving no other option than for the red shirts to descend back to their normal ways of looting and indiscriminate violence against everything that moves and anyone's shop or home is a target. But hey, I suppose when you have the police aiding you and government backing for it.... why not.

I would love to ask the yellow shirt supporters what are they fighting for in such a violent action? I mean, what is so vital that it deserves the death of some of their fellow citizens

and deny the existing government the right to finish its term instead of campaigning in a general election as most countries around the world seemed to be able to do it effectively?

Hypothetically if the Democrats got into power now how would this change the lives of some of these protesters in any dramatic way in the short term or even the medium term compared to now?

First.

They are fighting for the end of government corruption and the Thaksin influence in Thai politics. Corruption and influence that put this rabble of a government in power in the first place. They would be welcomed to finish their term had they not been so damned aligned and loyal to Thaksin.

Hypothetically, can not exist in politics, and short term solutions do not exist, only in the minds of the Thaksin government that have made zero impact on their voters apart from cause danger to the economy and pushed the poor into more debt than they can afford.

Real stable politics always are long term. Things have to be worked on for a minimum period, all quick fixes are unworkable.

It takes a long time to get everything working correctly, and needs to start with eradication of corruption. Also the stupid rice scheme needs to go and a more leveled approach to assist all farmers of all types.

[Jip99]

and should continue to do so. the military should not fire a single shot at ANYONE no matter what. the military/government should protect the people, not be the cause of violence.

You have protesters hijacking government buildings, inciting violence, intent on overthrowing the democratically government by any means necessary. Lethal force should be a last resort, but should it get to that stage I have no problem with the police and/or military using it to maintain control.

Nice to see you approve Abhisit's and Suthep's handling of the red siege of Bangkok in 2010.

Violence wasn't used as a last resort with snipers picking off protesters. Plus that government had no legitimacy.

On this occasion we have a democratically elected government who on Thursday easily survived a no confidence motion in parliament.

Should lethal force be required for the government to maintain control of the country, then it should be used.

How sad that a Farang should encourage the government to kill people.

[DrDweeb]

One killed as 'V-Day' eve violence erupts

...

Speaking at the Democracy Monument demonstration base, ex-Democrat MP and protest leader Sathit Wongnongtoey claimed that some police officers had taken off their uniforms and donned red shirts to attack Ramkhamhaeng students in front of the university.

-- Phuket News 2013-12-01

These Democrats really dare... Even the most unbelievable lie is permitted.

What a bunch of insane people.

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The Democrat/Yellow Shirt/PAD thugs are desperate now.

They have :

Got students to shoot other students and claim its red shirts.

Let off fireworks and then tried to claim reds firing RPG's

Told their supporters to go to the red rally yesterday and create violence against reds on their TV and radio stations.

Faked and doctored many photos to try to hide the fact they are violent yellow shirt/Democrat/PAD thugs.

Put out a fake story and photo about Yingluck leaving to South Africa

Trying to seize media outlets to

The list goes on and on.

They are desperate and now are resorting to their normal violence as seen in 2006 and 2008 - they are scum, nothing but disgusting scum.

The Democrat Party are now finished - not many voted for them before - and now they will get even less. They know now they have to seize power by illegitimate means because nobody will forgive them for what they are doing now.

rotfl ... that's funny

[Spare]

Certainly time for water cannons and tear gas to clear this rabble. Overdue. People's committee? More like a gang of four

Oh don't worry. I am sure that those whom you glorify have all sorts of agendas that should satisfy your blood lust. Last night was a start for you, the police and reds have done you proud.

Unfortunately for you, the students proved to be a worthy match. Thus leaving no other option than for the red shirts to descend back to their normal ways of looting and indiscriminate violence against everything that moves and anyone's shop or home is a target. But hey, I suppose when you have the police aiding you and government backing for it.... why not.

I would love to ask the yellow shirt supporters what are they fighting for in such a violent action? I mean, what is so vital that it deserves the death of some of their fellow citizens

and deny the existing government the right to finish its term instead of campaigning in a general election as most countries around the world seemed to be able to do it effectively?

Hypothetically if the Democrats got into power now how would this change the lives of some of these protesters in any dramatic way in the short term or even the medium term compared to now?

First.

They are fighting for the end of government corruption and the Thaksin influence in Thai politics. Corruption and influence that put this rabble of a government in power in the first place. They would be welcomed to finish their term had they not been so damned aligned and loyal to Thaksin.

Hypothetically, can not exist in politics, and short term solutions do not exist, only in the minds of the Thaksin government that have made zero impact on their voters apart from cause danger to the economy and pushed the poor into more debt than they can afford.

Real stable politics always are long term. Things have to be worked on for a minimum period, all quick fixes are unworkable.

It takes a long time to get everything working correctly, and needs to start with eradication of corruption. Also the stupid rice scheme needs to go and a more leveled approach to assist all farmers of all types.

Democrat. Suthep is fighting to return democracy to the Thai people through a parliament that truly represent all Thai people equally, set up by all Thai people. Current parliament is bought by Thaksin only to represent Thksin and his supporters.