Suthep's panel cannot resolve current conflict, academics say

[Lite Beer]

Suthep's panel cannot resolve current conflict, academics say
The Sunday Nation

BANGKOK: -- Chulalongkorn University's political scientist Trakul Mechai said the People's Democratic Reform Committee set up by anti-government group led by former Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban itself could not bring national reform as it did not reduce the current conflicts.

"A national reform can occur only after the [political protest] ends. The real reform committee might be another group comprising of academics who did not go on stage [with the PDRC]. I think seizure of government agencies is just a symbolic measure to finalise the fight," he said.

Trakul said the government must review its role and should not be stubborn. Otherwise, confrontation might occur.

Meanwhile, former Ramkhamhaeng University dean Assadang Panikabutra said Suthep's plan was only prolonging the anti-government protest. The people's council he announced to set up was not approved by the law.

Political Science Association of Kasetsart University yesterday issued a statement calling on Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra to submit a motion for a House-Senate joint sitting to find solutions to the current political conflicts. Meanwhile, the people should gather names to initiate a charter rewrite

-- The Nation 2013-12-01

[noitom]

Not approved by law in Thailand.

[WitawatWatawit]

"Political Science Association of Kasetsart University yesterday issued a statement calling on Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra to submit a motion for a House-Senate joint sitting to find solutions to the current political conflicts."

And the only safe place they could meet is Dubai.

[chainarong]

A total re - think is needed, Mr Trakul Mechai is very correct in he's surmising , there needs to be peace before anyone can sit down and have talks, this may turn out to be harder than thought , given the current circumstances, although anyone from a democratic / Westminster system knows only to well a Amnesty would never be given to people convicted of a crime, also any one with a criminal past cannot be a member of parliament, so there's a start for everyone, when or if talks start.

[Toscano]

Chainarong

The crime which Thaksin has been convicted for in Thailand , is not recognised in Westminster England , it is unique to Thailand .

In other countries a woman can legitimately purchase land as Mrs Shinawatra did , without her husband having to sign a consent .

Only the fact that Thaksin was Prime Minister or member of the government made it a crime in Thailand, but not anywhere else .

This anti Thaksin campaign at the behest of Elite , Middle Class , Democrats is effectively " Cutting Off The Nose To Spite The Face ".

For all his faults , and who in Thailand is without fault in similar measure , Thaksin still remains the strongest and best man to lead Thailand .

The Coup was a terrible error of judgement , that Thailand may have to suffer the consequences of for years to come .

[RKASA]

The democratic / Westminster system does not work well with a Romen style court of law, but it is a convenience to people like the Dem's. Suthep has already pulled the rug out from under the whole Dem party just to avoid the courts himself - Mark is unwilling, but has no where else to go - he has been screwed like so many other people that do things for Suthep - in the end their will be no Dem party now. New name new faces and the old hidden hands will buy a new one.

[Yunla]

This was a concept-suggestion that only discredits the person suggesting it and those who follow him. It is hard to see even the mere suggestion of government-by-committee in such an already divided nation, as anything other than sunstroke or intentional hamstringing of ones own position, for reasons unknown. The only way to resolve factionalism is by democratic voting, with heavy regulation of voting fraud. Also a tightening up of Parliamentary rules on absence and non-response, conduct etc.. Of course also a corruption nullpoint work agency. There are many things that can be done in the existing system, without overhauling it or toppling it, to bring about a fair democracy that is (and has to be) accepted by all sides. Toppling the system by force and putting your friends in charge will send the nation back to the pterodactyl era.

Edited December 1, 2013 by Yunla

[Scott]

Off-topic post deleted.

[hellodolly]

Political Science Association of Kasetsart University yesterday issued a statement calling on Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra to submit a motion for a House-Senate joint sitting to find solutions to the current political conflicts. Meanwhile, the people should gather names to initiate a charter rewrite

Ya rite have the people in control dictate the way to end the difficulties. I do agree that Suthep's idea is wrong but it is just as good as these supposed academics answer is to the problem. In my opinion the only way to end it is for the government to step down and put it up for an election again. The PTPredshirt may win again but they will most assuredly not have the ultimate control they enjoy now and they will learn to consider the needs of the people instead of the needs of a man in Dubai.

If they continue in power as they are now they will still have to face the music come election time. The people are awake they no longer sleep. Perhaps it is time for the real academics to wake up also.

edit

I just wish to reiterate it is the real people not the yellow shirts. Calling them that takes away from the truth of the situation. The yellow shirts are just a bunch of dead ideologists who's only concern had narrowed down to who owns 4 square kilometers of land. They saw a rising star and hooked their wagon to it. they had absolutely no hand in the forming of it. It was formed by every day citizens who love Thailand and are sick and tired of the way it's government has been robbing it's own people.

The people are awake they no longer sleep

Edited December 1, 2013 by hellodolly

[brit1984]

If the government is so bad ("if" not really required)... why not just defeat them democratically?... if voters only voted for Pheu Thai in return for 500 baht bribes, then why not offer them more (via an income assistance program)...?

By my calculations, for much less the cost of the rice scheme, they could give the 20 MILLION poorest voters the same 500 baht PER MONTH EVERY MONTH (and most of the cash would be recycled into the economy via consumption almost immediately)... given the required swing in votes is ~2/3 mil voters, victory could therefore be achieved easily without the need for the FORCE of "peaceful protests"...

If (as i suspect) the support for the red-shirts goes much deeper than a 500 baht note then gaining power by force can only be temporary (it cannot lead to an equilibrium situation) and the justification given for bypassing the democratic process would therefore not be justified...

The only other explanation for the current actions is that the "democrats" believe most Thai people (i.e. a majority of the electorate) are not intelligent enough (too stupid) to see why the current government is bad (un-due influence of Thaksin, illogical economic policy, etc) but pushing out the government they voted for is only going to make them angry and making stupid people angry doesn't make them intelligent, it just makes them dangerous!

Going forward, the best path would surely be that Yingluck) announces fresh elections on a specified date (subject to easing of tension by an earlier specified date) and the "democrats" start to engage properly with the electorate and accept that to get their votes they need to make a massive effort to show they understand them and want to help them (not just ignore / alienate them) and/or make some clear and significant financial pledges to win them over.

For Pheu Thai, if they want to hold power for the long term they must at some point replace Yingluck with someone without an obvious connection to Thaksin (and should publicly announce a fresh / new start) as his haters will never accept his ongoing influence. I expect a new leader (IF in conjunction with more logical economic policy) could win more voters than they would lose (and those lost would likely become non-voters rather than opposition voters).

Is my logic wrong?.. or is my assumption of the presence of logic in the Thai political process wrong?

[FangFerang]

"former Ramkhamhaeng University dean Assadang Panikabutra said Suthep's plan was only prolonging the anti-government protest"

No sh%t, Sherlock Holmes.

What really bothers me is that the red shirts have left now, and do not want casualties.

No punters for the yellow side doing name-calling now? No sideline armchair experts jumping on the bandwagon? No would-be wannabee experts screaming the anger over the reds..... Maybe we are all realizing both sides are the same. No one counts. many are untouchable. Who wins?.....................No One.

There is an interesteing silence here...

[MILT]

Friend of mine just sent me this.

Nothing to do about the political problems.

Anarchy?

Edited December 1, 2013 by MILT

[xminator]

Suthep belong behind bars. His actions have gone far beyond what any democracy can accept from protests. In a normal functional society, protests have to be cleared with the police before taking place. Any illegal protests would be broken up. Leaders would be behind bars for weeks waiting trial. Random protesters would have their names taken and had to meet in court for fines.

The only real good way for this to move Thailand forward as a democracy is when Suthep is behind bars waiting a public trial.

[bbbbooboo]

Yes stupidity and anger is a dangerous mixture. Actually on thinking about it stupidity and politics is probably more so

[Baerboxer]

Chainarong

The crime which Thaksin has been convicted for in Thailand , is not recognised in Westminster England , it is unique to Thailand .

In other countries a woman can legitimately purchase land as Mrs Shinawatra did , without her husband having to sign a consent .

Only the fact that Thaksin was Prime Minister or member of the government made it a crime in Thailand, but not anywhere else .

This anti Thaksin campaign at the behest of Elite , Middle Class , Democrats is effectively " Cutting Off The Nose To Spite The Face ".

For all his faults , and who in Thailand is without fault in similar measure , Thaksin still remains the strongest and best man to lead Thailand .

The Coup was a terrible error of judgement , that Thailand may have to suffer the consequences of for years to come .

You are joking? Research the circumstances regarding how the land was seized and purchased. Check up on laws changed to facilitate tax avoidance. Check out the other more serious outstanding criminal charges the fugitive is anxious not to face.

The elite HiSo's clearly don't want a change from their years of raking in massive wealth and fortunes at the expense of the poor. The want to retain the system that allows them to acquire huge wealth and also act above the law in any capacity including murder as we've seen repeatedly.

All Thaksin wants is to replace these families with his own. Period. Through a few crumbs to the poor while his family enrich themselves, put themselves above the law and implement a police state dynasty. Strong - sure if you equate no morals, ethics or conscious to strength - like Mugabe, Hun Set, Mao, Castro etc. Best man - not in a million years.

[jayboy]

Chainarong

The crime which Thaksin has been convicted for in Thailand , is not recognised in Westminster England , it is unique to Thailand .

In other countries a woman can legitimately purchase land as Mrs Shinawatra did , without her husband having to sign a consent .

Only the fact that Thaksin was Prime Minister or member of the government made it a crime in Thailand, but not anywhere else .

This anti Thaksin campaign at the behest of Elite , Middle Class , Democrats is effectively " Cutting Off The Nose To Spite The Face ".

For all his faults , and who in Thailand is without fault in similar measure , Thaksin still remains the strongest and best man to lead Thailand .

The Coup was a terrible error of judgement , that Thailand may have to suffer the consequences of for years to come .

You are joking? Research the circumstances regarding how the land was seized and purchased. Check up on laws changed to facilitate tax avoidance. Check out the other more serious outstanding criminal charges the fugitive is anxious not to face.

The elite HiSo's clearly don't want a change from their years of raking in massive wealth and fortunes at the expense of the poor. The want to retain the system that allows them to acquire huge wealth and also act above the law in any capacity including murder as we've seen repeatedly.

All Thaksin wants is to replace these families with his own. Period. Through a few crumbs to the poor while his family enrich themselves, put themselves above the law and implement a police state dynasty. Strong - sure if you equate no morals, ethics or conscious to strength - like Mugabe, Hun Set, Mao, Castro etc. Best man - not in a million years.

Give us a break.Thaksin's errors are well documented but the thread is about Suthep's panel.Suthep's murky and corrupt past is well set out in David Eimer's piece in the South China Morning Post.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1369801/thai-protest-leader-suthep-son-elite-axe-grind

Edited December 1, 2013 by jayboy

[DtemJai]

[Baerboxer]

Suthep belong behind bars. His actions have gone far beyond what any democracy can accept from protests. In a normal functional society, protests have to be cleared with the police before taking place. Any illegal protests would be broken up. Leaders would be behind bars for weeks waiting trial. Random protesters would have their names taken and had to meet in court for fines.

The only real good way for this to move Thailand forward as a democracy is when Suthep is behind bars waiting a public trial.

Yes. Providing justice is for all. Therefore illegally issued passports to criminal fugitives should be cancelled and those responsible for issuing it face charges. Then an extradition should be made so that the criminal fugitive could be returned to serve his sentence, charged with jumping bail and face the other outstanding criminal charges against him.

Thaksin and Suthep should face the courts and Jatuporn should be arrested for breaking his bail conditions along with the Interior Minister who has broken the ISA.

Yingluck needs to be a real leader and come down hard on all those causing the issues. But will never ever happen. Because she's just a puppet. The Amnesty bill will be pushed through, the Senate bill has already been sent for approval and if the courts rule against the loan bill, PTP will simply ignore that ruling too.

Unfortunately 2 corrupt evil groups are battling for the spoils. The groups are interested in power and wealth for themselves. Whichever side "wins" the losers will be the same - Thailand and its people. Either way they will get less freedoms, more corruption and a massive state debt.

[rogerdee123]

Chainarong

The crime which Thaksin has been convicted for in Thailand , is not recognised in Westminster England , it is unique to Thailand .

In other countries a woman can legitimately purchase land as Mrs Shinawatra did , without her husband having to sign a consent .

Only the fact that Thaksin was Prime Minister or member of the government made it a crime in Thailand, but not anywhere else .

This anti Thaksin campaign at the behest of Elite , Middle Class , Democrats is effectively " Cutting Off The Nose To Spite The Face ".

For all his faults , and who in Thailand is without fault in similar measure , Thaksin still remains the strongest and best man to lead Thailand .

The Coup was a terrible error of judgement , that Thailand may have to suffer the consequences of for years to come .

You are joking? Research the circumstances regarding how the land was seized and purchased. Check up on laws changed to facilitate tax avoidance. Check out the other more serious outstanding criminal charges the fugitive is anxious not to face.

The elite HiSo's clearly don't want a change from their years of raking in massive wealth and fortunes at the expense of the poor. The want to retain the system that allows them to acquire huge wealth and also act above the law in any capacity including murder as we've seen repeatedly.

All Thaksin wants is to replace these families with his own. Period. Through a few crumbs to the poor while his family enrich themselves, put themselves above the law and implement a police state dynasty. Strong - sure if you equate no morals, ethics or conscious to strength - like Mugabe, Hun Set, Mao, Castro etc. Best man - not in a million years.

Give us a break.Thaksin's errors are well documented but the thread is about Suthep's panel.Suthep's murky and corrupt past is well set out in David Eimer's piece in the South China Morning Post.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1369801/thai-protest-leader-suthep-son-elite-axe-grind

So? ... send them both to prison.

[Baerboxer]

Chainarong

The crime which Thaksin has been convicted for in Thailand , is not recognised in Westminster England , it is unique to Thailand .

In other countries a woman can legitimately purchase land as Mrs Shinawatra did , without her husband having to sign a consent .

Only the fact that Thaksin was Prime Minister or member of the government made it a crime in Thailand, but not anywhere else .

This anti Thaksin campaign at the behest of Elite , Middle Class , Democrats is effectively " Cutting Off The Nose To Spite The Face ".

For all his faults , and who in Thailand is without fault in similar measure , Thaksin still remains the strongest and best man to lead Thailand .

The Coup was a terrible error of judgement , that Thailand may have to suffer the consequences of for years to come .

You are joking? Research the circumstances regarding how the land was seized and purchased. Check up on laws changed to facilitate tax avoidance. Check out the other more serious outstanding criminal charges the fugitive is anxious not to face.

The elite HiSo's clearly don't want a change from their years of raking in massive wealth and fortunes at the expense of the poor. The want to retain the system that allows them to acquire huge wealth and also act above the law in any capacity including murder as we've seen repeatedly.

All Thaksin wants is to replace these families with his own. Period. Through a few crumbs to the poor while his family enrich themselves, put themselves above the law and implement a police state dynasty. Strong - sure if you equate no morals, ethics or conscious to strength - like Mugabe, Hun Set, Mao, Castro etc. Best man - not in a million years.

Give us a break.Thaksin's errors are well documented but the thread is about Suthep's panel.Suthep's murky and corrupt past is well set out in David Eimer's piece in the South China Morning Post.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1369801/thai-protest-leader-suthep-son-elite-axe-grind

Try reading the post I was responding to before you type, See how many times the poster used the word Thaksin,

You've posted many comments on many threads about Suthep. We get the message.

Interesting that you use the expression "Thaksin's errors" rather than words like actions, crimes etc. Do you think these are really just simple errors? One could even say "honest mistakes"

Edited December 1, 2013 by Baerboxer

[Spare]

"former Ramkhamhaeng University dean Assadang Panikabutra said Suthep's plan was only prolonging the anti-government protest"

No sh%t, Sherlock Holmes.

What really bothers me is that the red shirts have left now, and do not want casualties.

No punters for the yellow side doing name-calling now? No sideline armchair experts jumping on the bandwagon? No would-be wannabee experts screaming the anger over the reds..... Maybe we are all realizing both sides are the same. No one counts. many are untouchable. Who wins?.....................No One.

There is an interesteing silence here...

That is why he is a former dean. No credit at all.

[millwall_fan]

The only way for the current conflict to be resolved is for the Ruling Elite to accept that Thaksin let the democratic genie out of the bag. Sure the voters will accept 500 Baht (I understand the going rate is now 1,000B) in bribes: they are poor and can't afford not to, but it will no longer affect the way they vote. The masses now understand its a secret ballot (given the circumstances, its remarkable how little malfeasance of the electoral bureaucracy is ever alleged). From the point of view of the ruling elite, Thaksin is a pretty good bet - he is no socialist, unlike Jutaporn. He is just the same as the elite- a rich Thai/Chinese who got his money corruptly. The irony is that if Thaksin doesn't return, Thailand may be in for a period of Chavez/Castro/Gaddafy style 'socialism' Now that really would scare the ruling elite.

[millwall_fan]

Chainarong

The crime which Thaksin has been convicted for in Thailand , is not recognised in Westminster England , it is unique to Thailand .

In other countries a woman can legitimately purchase land as Mrs Shinawatra did , without her husband having to sign a consent .

Only the fact that Thaksin was Prime Minister or member of the government made it a crime in Thailand, but not anywhere else .

This anti Thaksin campaign at the behest of Elite , Middle Class , Democrats is effectively " Cutting Off The Nose To Spite The Face ".

For all his faults , and who in Thailand is without fault in similar measure , Thaksin still remains the strongest and best man to lead Thailand .

The Coup was a terrible error of judgement , that Thailand may have to suffer the consequences of for years to come .

You are joking? Research the circumstances regarding how the land was seized and purchased. Check up on laws changed to facilitate tax avoidance. Check out the other more serious outstanding criminal charges the fugitive is anxious not to face.

The elite HiSo's clearly don't want a change from their years of raking in massive wealth and fortunes at the expense of the poor. The want to retain the system that allows them to acquire huge wealth and also act above the law in any capacity including murder as we've seen repeatedly.

All Thaksin wants is to replace these families with his own. Period. Through a few crumbs to the poor while his family enrich themselves, put themselves above the law and implement a police state dynasty. Strong - sure if you equate no morals, ethics or conscious to strength - like Mugabe, Hun Set, Mao, Castro etc. Best man - not in a million years.

Give us a break.Thaksin's errors are well documented but the thread is about Suthep's panel.Suthep's murky and corrupt past is well set out in David Eimer's piece in the South China Morning Post.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1369801/thai-protest-leader-suthep-son-elite-axe-grind

Everyone should read this link in the South China Morning Post (not exactly a radical paper). this is the man so many ThaiVisa posters are putting their faith in.

[Thai at Heart]

A total re - think is needed, Mr Trakul Mechai is very correct in he's surmising , there needs to be peace before anyone can sit down and have talks, this may turn out to be harder than thought , given the current circumstances, although anyone from a democratic / Westminster system knows only to well a Amnesty would never be given to people convicted of a crime, also any one with a criminal past cannot be a member of parliament, so there's a start for everyone, when or if talks start.

The reform needs to go beyond the parliament. The legal system in thailand is a disgrace. In fact if they'd dune their job with his assets case this wouldn't be happening.

[bigbamboo]

The only way for the current conflict to be resolved is for the Ruling Elite to accept that Thaksin let the democratic genie out of the bag. Sure the voters will accept 500 Baht (I understand the going rate is now 1,000B) in bribes: they are poor and can't afford not to, but it will no longer affect the way they vote. The masses now understand its a secret ballot (given the circumstances, its remarkable how little malfeasance of the electoral bureaucracy is ever alleged). From the point of view of the ruling elite, Thaksin is a pretty good bet - he is no socialist, unlike Jutaporn. He is just the same as the elite- a rich Thai/Chinese who got his money corruptly. The irony is that if Thaksin doesn't return, Thailand may be in for a period of Chavez/Castro/Gaddafy style 'socialism' Now that really would scare the ruling elite.

As opposed to a Mugabe style democracy.

[Thai at Heart]

The only way for the current conflict to be resolved is for the Ruling Elite to accept that Thaksin let the democratic genie out of the bag. Sure the voters will accept 500 Baht (I understand the going rate is now 1,000B) in bribes: they are poor and can't afford not to, but it will no longer affect the way they vote. The masses now understand its a secret ballot (given the circumstances, its remarkable how little malfeasance of the electoral bureaucracy is ever alleged). From the point of view of the ruling elite, Thaksin is a pretty good bet - he is no socialist, unlike Jutaporn. He is just the same as the elite- a rich Thai/Chinese who got his money corruptly. The irony is that if Thaksin doesn't return, Thailand may be in for a period of Chavez/Castro/Gaddafy style 'socialism' Now that really would scare the ruling elite.

Whoever or whatever leads the country better put the north, north east and south very near the top of their list of things to do, or the country will split.

Bangkok better get used to sucking hind tit for a while.

[Baerboxer]

The only way for the current conflict to be resolved is for the Ruling Elite to accept that Thaksin let the democratic genie out of the bag. Sure the voters will accept 500 Baht (I understand the going rate is now 1,000B) in bribes: they are poor and can't afford not to, but it will no longer affect the way they vote. The masses now understand its a secret ballot (given the circumstances, its remarkable how little malfeasance of the electoral bureaucracy is ever alleged). From the point of view of the ruling elite, Thaksin is a pretty good bet - he is no socialist, unlike Jutaporn. He is just the same as the elite- a rich Thai/Chinese who got his money corruptly. The irony is that if Thaksin doesn't return, Thailand may be in for a period of Chavez/Castro/Gaddafy style 'socialism' Now that really would scare the ruling elite.

Not a bad summary. Choices - Suthep and the old elite reactionaries, Thaksin and his family dynasty or some new communist style "socialism".

What a choice!

[millwall_fan]

The only way for the current conflict to be resolved is for the Ruling Elite to accept that Thaksin let the democratic genie out of the bag. Sure the voters will accept 500 Baht (I understand the going rate is now 1,000B) in bribes: they are poor and can't afford not to, but it will no longer affect the way they vote. The masses now understand its a secret ballot (given the circumstances, its remarkable how little malfeasance of the electoral bureaucracy is ever alleged). From the point of view of the ruling elite, Thaksin is a pretty good bet - he is no socialist, unlike Jutaporn. He is just the same as the elite- a rich Thai/Chinese who got his money corruptly. The irony is that if Thaksin doesn't return, Thailand may be in for a period of Chavez/Castro/Gaddafy style 'socialism' Now that really would scare the ruling elite.

As opposed to a Mugabe style democracy.

No, not opposed to - I am prepared to add Mugabe to my list of interesting possibilities for Thailand's future. Of course if Mr. Suthep were to take over, Thein Sein would be a good role model for where Thailand might be in the future.

[jayboy]

Chainarong

The crime which Thaksin has been convicted for in Thailand , is not recognised in Westminster England , it is unique to Thailand .

In other countries a woman can legitimately purchase land as Mrs Shinawatra did , without her husband having to sign a consent .

Only the fact that Thaksin was Prime Minister or member of the government made it a crime in Thailand, but not anywhere else .

This anti Thaksin campaign at the behest of Elite , Middle Class , Democrats is effectively " Cutting Off The Nose To Spite The Face ".

For all his faults , and who in Thailand is without fault in similar measure , Thaksin still remains the strongest and best man to lead Thailand .

The Coup was a terrible error of judgement , that Thailand may have to suffer the consequences of for years to come .

You are joking? Research the circumstances regarding how the land was seized and purchased. Check up on laws changed to facilitate tax avoidance. Check out the other more serious outstanding criminal charges the fugitive is anxious not to face.

The elite HiSo's clearly don't want a change from their years of raking in massive wealth and fortunes at the expense of the poor. The want to retain the system that allows them to acquire huge wealth and also act above the law in any capacity including murder as we've seen repeatedly.

All Thaksin wants is to replace these families with his own. Period. Through a few crumbs to the poor while his family enrich themselves, put themselves above the law and implement a police state dynasty. Strong - sure if you equate no morals, ethics or conscious to strength - like Mugabe, Hun Set, Mao, Castro etc. Best man - not in a million years.

Give us a break.Thaksin's errors are well documented but the thread is about Suthep's panel.Suthep's murky and corrupt past is well set out in David Eimer's piece in the South China Morning Post.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1369801/thai-protest-leader-suthep-son-elite-axe-grind

Try reading the post I was responding to before you type, See how many times the poster used the word Thaksin,

You've posted many comments on many threads about Suthep. We get the message.

Interesting that you use the expression "Thaksin's errors" rather than words like actions, crimes etc. Do you think these are really just simple errors? One could even say "honest mistakes"

Actually the past of Suthep has not been much discussed on the forum.Perhaps his present is a distraction.In any event it is always easier to return to the subject of Thaksin - as you have done.

Edited December 1, 2013 by jayboy

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies deleted.