Surapong: Suthep must surrender before talks on People's Council

[khunsiam]

Will Thaksin surrender at the same time. Accept his responsibility for rebellion and treason for 2010? because if Suthep is really guilty of these charges, then what charges could be layed on Thaksin for 2010?

But the circumstances were nowhere near the same were they?

In 2010 the Democrats had wormed their way into power and were only representing the elite in Bangkok. They had not been elected into power and certainly were not expressing or representing the interests of Thai citizens in the north and north-east and they were continually procrastinating regarding demands to hold a proper general election. Their demands for a general election culminated in violence.

This current round of violence was an attempt to overthrow a properly elected government and as such was treason.

Oh boy, another poster who should read up on 2010 again.

The Democrat party formed a government December 2008 when a majority of MP voted for Abhisit as PM. They had a small majority of MPs. Now don't try to tell me all those 'only' represented 'Bangkok elite'.

As for 'procrastinating regarding demands to hold new general elections', there was no legal obligation to hold new general elections before the expiration of the four year term since the last general election. Abhisit offered to dissolve the House for elections late 2010, but after initial acceptance a phonecall from afar let the UDD reject the offer. The UDD use of violence led to more violence.

This current round of protests started when the government tried to pass a 'blanket amnesty bill' and even had the gall to say "please wait, there's more procedure to follow'. When if all had stayed home guilty the Senate would have justly thought "no protests, no comments? we vote OK". Most protesters just want the government to step down after all undemocratic actions to just take care of Thaksin and call a new election.

BTW for your information there's also a bit of Thailand South of Bangkok.

But the Democrats did not win an election, the Thaksin clique (PPP) won the election in 2007, the Democrat party wormed their way into power with a little help from the constitutional court, opportunists like Newin etc.

[jdinasia]

That is going to be a problem. It seems that Suthep is using 3000 guards at a cost of 5 million baht per day. (Nobody asking questions this time where them money is coming from?) The morons seem to come from Rayong province and each and every stage member or member of his panel has at any time 8 armed guards with him or her.

It was reported that the logistics of running the ongoing protests were costing 5M baht a day (food water elec staging etc ....) The questions about funding have been asked. and exactly where do you get "Rayong" province from? Suthep's personal bodyguard are mostly former police/military from Surat Thani.

(I know you do not answer questions TK so treat mine as rhetorical

[Scott]

A post containing a reference to the royal family has been removed as well as a post advocating violence. Quite a number of replies to these posts were also removed.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Will Thaksin surrender at the same time. Accept his responsibility for rebellion and treason for 2010? because if Suthep is really guilty of these charges, then what charges could be layed on Thaksin for 2010?

But the circumstances were nowhere near the same were they?

Actually, in my book, the circumstances then and now are pretty much the same, at least in terms of both episodes involving a protest movement engaging in civil disobedience (and other extra-legal measures) in attempts to topple the sitting government.

Then the movement was led by Thaksin and his lackies... Now it's been led by Suthep and a range of other groups. Arguably, the two leaders of the two different groups engaged in pretty similar kinds of actvities.

Of course, in the latest protest, the level of violence and disruption engaged in by the protesters has been pretty minimal overall, and I haven't seen much evidence of them bearing formal weapons. Whereas in the prior protest, the protesters then, or at least substantial numbers of them, were armed to the teeth and widely used those weapons, apart from the arson/burning of Bangkok that also ensued.

So which episode has been the greater affront to the laws in Thailand? I think it's pretty clear the prior protests outdistance the more recent ones by a long mile -- at least thus far.

[Asiantravel]

Will Thaksin surrender at the same time. Accept his responsibility for rebellion and treason for 2010? because if Suthep is really guilty of these charges, then what charges could be layed on Thaksin for 2010?

But the circumstances were nowhere near the same were they?

In 2010 the Democrats had wormed their way into power and were only representing the elite in Bangkok. They had not been elected into power and certainly were not expressing or representing the interests of Thai citizens in the north and north-east and they were continually procrastinating regarding demands to hold a proper general election. Their demands for a general election culminated in violence.

This current round of violence was an attempt to overthrow a properly elected government and as such was treason.

Oh boy, another poster who should read up on 2010 again.

The Democrat party formed a government December 2008 when a majority of MP voted for Abhisit as PM. They had a small majority of MPs. Now don't try to tell me all those 'only' represented 'Bangkok elite'.

As for 'procrastinating regarding demands to hold new general elections', there was no legal obligation to hold new general elections before the expiration of the four year term since the last general election. Abhisit offered to dissolve the House for elections late 2010, but after initial acceptance a phonecall from afar let the UDD reject the offer. The UDD use of violence led to more violence.

This current round of protests started when the government tried to pass a 'blanket amnesty bill' and even had the gall to say "please wait, there's more procedure to follow'. When if all had stayed home guilty the Senate would have justly thought "no protests, no comments? we vote OK". Most protesters just want the government to step down after all undemocratic actions to just take care of Thaksin and call a new election.

BTW for your information there's also a bit of Thailand South of Bangkok.

Oh boy, another poster who is living in the land of unicorns

A " majority of MPs voting " does not constitute a general election and as we subsequently discovered after the election was eventually held, the north-east and north of Thailand were then able to properly express their wishes as to who exactly should be Prime Minister.

[meechai]

[ratcatcher]

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[h90]

That is going to be a problem. It seems that Suthep is using 3000 guards at a cost of 5 million baht per day. (Nobody asking questions this time where them money is coming from?) The morons seem to come from Rayong province and each and every stage member or member of his panel has at any time 8 armed guards with him or her.

Where does it seem that?

Beside from you I never heard that.

[jackrich]

Will Thaksin surrender at the same time. Accept his responsibility for rebellion and treason for 2010? because if Suthep is really guilty of these charges, then what charges could be layed on Thaksin for 2010?

But the circumstances were nowhere near the same were they?

In 2010 the Democrats had wormed their way into power and were only representing the elite in Bangkok. They had not been elected into power and certainly were not expressing or representing the interests of Thai citizens in the north and north-east and they were continually procrastinating regarding demands to hold a proper general election. Their demands for a general election culminated in violence.

This current round of violence was an attempt to overthrow a properly elected government and as such was treason.

Actually, even though I agree with you, you are wrong.

You see, the circumstances are indeed the same as in 2010, because the Democrats are once again trying to worm their way into power.

[mrtoad]

Will Thaksin surrender at the same time. Accept his responsibility for rebellion and treason for 2010? because if Suthep is really guilty of these charges, then what charges could be layed on Thaksin for 2010?

Tarit reclassified it, as Thaksin was not in Thailand at the time, he can't be charged for incitement, treason, funding unrest etc

Bunch if hypocrites the lot if them.

[sjaak327]

Will Thaksin surrender at the same time. Accept his responsibility for rebellion and treason for 2010? because if Suthep is really guilty of these charges, then what charges could be layed on Thaksin for 2010?

But the circumstances were nowhere near the same were they?

In 2010 the Democrats had wormed their way into power and were only representing the elite in Bangkok. They had not been elected into power and certainly were not expressing or representing the interests of Thai citizens in the north and north-east and they were continually procrastinating regarding demands to hold a proper general election. Their demands for a general election culminated in violence.

This current round of violence was an attempt to overthrow a properly elected government and as such was treason.

Oh boy, another poster who should read up on 2010 again.

The Democrat party formed a government December 2008 when a majority of MP voted for Abhisit as PM. They had a small majority of MPs. Now don't try to tell me all those 'only' represented 'Bangkok elite'.

As for 'procrastinating regarding demands to hold new general elections', there was no legal obligation to hold new general elections before the expiration of the four year term since the last general election. Abhisit offered to dissolve the House for elections late 2010, but after initial acceptance a phonecall from afar let the UDD reject the offer. The UDD use of violence led to more violence.

This current round of protests started when the government tried to pass a 'blanket amnesty bill' and even had the gall to say "please wait, there's more procedure to follow'. When if all had stayed home guilty the Senate would have justly thought "no protests, no comments? we vote OK". Most protesters just want the government to step down after all undemocratic actions to just take care of Thaksin and call a new election.

BTW for your information there's also a bit of Thailand South of Bangkok.

Actually according to Suthep, who is after all the leader of the current protest, the last thing the protestors want is a new election. They first want to appoint a people's council, which of course has no mandate whatsoever and which is highly unconstitutional.

I wonder how dear Suthep is going to make sure PT cannot win a general election anymore, maybe he will transfer Issaan back to Laos and Cambodia, ask the North to start their long lost Lanna Kingdom and then call elections in what's left of Thailand. I guess then, and only then he has a good chance of seeing the democrats win these !

[Baerboxer]

You have to hand it to Surapong and Yingluck. They have hides thicker than a Rhinos. But also lack any kind of ethics, morals, conscience or care about anything or anyone but the clan.

Surapong calling for someone to surrender because a warrant has been issued

This is the same guy who illegally issued a new Thai passport to his criminal fugitive cousin and, like his other cousin the PM/DM, refuses to answer questions on it, even from the Ombudsman. There are outstanding warrants on the criminal fugitive recipient of the illegal passport. Will Surapong call for his surrender, or extradition? Not on your nelly !! He'll never answer for this illegal passport action either.

The arrogance and / or stupidity is incredulous. We can do what we want - and we do it ! They must really believe people are stupid or scared shitless to believe they can continually get away with such hypocrisy in word and deed.

The law is used as a tool for the Shin clan against enemies - but of course they are above it and will ignore the courts when it suits.

Yeah for PTP transparency and justice !

[jayboy]

Will Thaksin surrender at the same time. Accept his responsibility for rebellion and treason for 2010? because if Suthep is really guilty of these charges, then what charges could be layed on Thaksin for 2010?

But the circumstances were nowhere near the same were they?

In 2010 the Democrats had wormed their way into power and were only representing the elite in Bangkok. They had not been elected into power and certainly were not expressing or representing the interests of Thai citizens in the north and north-east and they were continually procrastinating regarding demands to hold a proper general election. Their demands for a general election culminated in violence.

This current round of violence was an attempt to overthrow a properly elected government and as such was treason.

Oh boy, another poster who should read up on 2010 again.

The Democrat party formed a government December 2008 when a majority of MP voted for Abhisit as PM. They had a small majority of MPs. Now don't try to tell me all those 'only' represented 'Bangkok elite'.

As for 'procrastinating regarding demands to hold new general elections', there was no legal obligation to hold new general elections before the expiration of the four year term since the last general election. Abhisit offered to dissolve the House for elections late 2010, but after initial acceptance a phonecall from afar let the UDD reject the offer. The UDD use of violence led to more violence.

This current round of protests started when the government tried to pass a 'blanket amnesty bill' and even had the gall to say "please wait, there's more procedure to follow'. When if all had stayed home guilty the Senate would have justly thought "no protests, no comments? we vote OK". Most protesters just want the government to step down after all undemocratic actions to just take care of Thaksin and call a new election.

BTW for your information there's also a bit of Thailand South of Bangkok.

Actually according to Suthep, who is after all the leader of the current protest, the last thing the protestors want is a new election. They first want to appoint a people's council, which of course has no mandate whatsoever and which is highly unconstitutional.

I wonder how dear Suthep is going to make sure PT cannot win a general election anymore, maybe he will transfer Issaan back to Laos and Cambodia, ask the North to start their long lost Lanna Kingdom and then call elections in what's left of Thailand. I guess then, and only then he has a good chance of seeing the democrats win these !

It seems so much hard work when the real solution is surely to reform the Democrat Party, detoxify its tainted leadership (Abhisut surely has to go) and (most importantly) provide a programme that the Thai people can subscribe to at the next general election.The Democrat Party has, unlike the PTP, a long and proud past when it was not hitched to the military or feudal interests.If the reforms are made Thaksinism can be defeated.But the behaviour of the party in the last couple of weeks has been stomach turning - so no early improvement expected.

[samuiwonder]

This guy looks crazy!

[Old Man River]

Will Thaksin surrender at the same time. Accept his responsibility for rebellion and treason for 2010? because if Suthep is really guilty of these charges, then what charges could be layed on Thaksin for 2010?

But the circumstances were nowhere near the same were they?

In 2010 the Democrats had wormed their way into power and were only representing the elite in Bangkok. They had not been elected into power and certainly were not expressing or representing the interests of Thai citizens in the north and north-east and they were continually procrastinating regarding demands to hold a proper general election. Their demands for a general election culminated in violence.

This current round of violence was an attempt to overthrow a properly elected government and as such was treason.

Oh boy, another poster who should read up on 2010 again.

The Democrat party formed a government December 2008 when a majority of MP voted for Abhisit as PM. They had a small majority of MPs. Now don't try to tell me all those 'only' represented 'Bangkok elite'.

As for 'procrastinating regarding demands to hold new general elections', there was no legal obligation to hold new general elections before the expiration of the four year term since the last general election. Abhisit offered to dissolve the House for elections late 2010, but after initial acceptance a phonecall from afar let the UDD reject the offer. The UDD use of violence led to more violence.

This current round of protests started when the government tried to pass a 'blanket amnesty bill' and even had the gall to say "please wait, there's more procedure to follow'. When if all had stayed home guilty the Senate would have justly thought "no protests, no comments? we vote OK". Most protesters just want the government to step down after all undemocratic actions to just take care of Thaksin and call a new election.

BTW for your information there's also a bit of Thailand South of Bangkok.

Oh boy, another poster who is living in the land of unicorns

A " majority of MPs voting " does not constitute a general election and as we subsequently discovered after the election was eventually held, the north-east and north of Thailand were then able to properly express their wishes as to who exactly should be Prime Minister.

People vote for MP's. MP's vote for a PM. That is how the system works.

[khunsiam]

That is going to be a problem. It seems that Suthep is using 3000 guards at a cost of 5 million baht per day. (Nobody asking questions this time where them money is coming from?) The morons seem to come from Rayong province and each and every stage member or member of his panel has at any time 8 armed guards with him or her.

Where does it seem that?

Beside from you I never heard that.

.

"They are spending around five million baht (HK$1.27 million) a day on sustaining the protesters, so he must have people behind him providing that money."

Kan Yuenyong, executive director of the Siam Intelligence Unit, a Bangkok think tank

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1369801/thai-protest-leader-suthep-son-elite-axe-grind

[GeorgeO]

Will Thaksin surrender at the same time. Accept his responsibility for rebellion and treason for 2010? because if Suthep is really guilty of these charges, then what charges could be layed on Thaksin for 2010?

But the circumstances were nowhere near the same were they?

In 2010 the Democrats had wormed their way into power and were only representing the elite in Bangkok. They had not been elected into power and certainly were not expressing or representing the interests of Thai citizens in the north and north-east and they were continually procrastinating regarding demands to hold a proper general election. Their demands for a general election culminated in violence.

This current round of violence was an attempt to overthrow a properly elected government and as such was treason.

Actually, even though I agree with you, you are wrong.

You see, the circumstances are indeed the same as in 2010, because the Democrats are once again trying to worm their way into power.

...ergo, given that you agree with AT, who you argue is wrong, then by extension, you are also, wrong! Right?

[metisdead]

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[fab4]

So, Dept. Prime Minster, Minister of Foreign Affairs and head of the CAPO said so?

Didn't 'the' government already make clear that a 'people's council' was unconstitutional? So why talk about it? Also why put conditions before wanting to talk about something already rejected?

OK Rubl, please explain to me just exactly "what" a Peoples Council is and how " it " fits in with the Constitution. I've not seen an explanation yet.

[englishoak]

I think people missed the crucial word in the OP.... SURRENDER. there is a big difference in doing that and being arrested. If however Suthep really loved the people so much he would sacrifice and surrender allowing others to take his place at the table... maybe Abshit or whoever, it dosnt really matter but atm this is a man under investigation for previous criminal allegations and also under warrant of arrest. He has no place at the table, he is not an MP and needs to stand down and let others get on with dialogue and moving talks forward, which is exactly what this clown wants to avoid... talks.

[HuaHinHarold]

That is going to be a problem. It seems that Suthep is using 3000 guards at a cost of 5 million baht per day. (Nobody asking questions this time where them money is coming from?) The morons seem to come from Rayong province and each and every stage member or member of his panel has at any time 8 armed guards with him or her.

Where does it seem that?

Beside from you I never heard that.

.

"They are spending around five million baht (HK$1.27 million) a day on sustaining the protesters, so he must have people behind him providing that money."

Kan Yuenyong, executive director of the Siam Intelligence Unit, a Bangkok think tank

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1369801/thai-protest-leader-suthep-son-elite-axe-grind

Siam Intelligence Unit

From their website:

About Us

Siam Intelligence Unit (SIU), established in 2009, is a private think tank specializing on politics, economics, public policy and foreign affairs.

While SIU is based in Bangkok, we co-partner and work with many global and local organizations including The Prime Ministers Office

Couldn't possibly be any question regarding the independence of their "think tank" thinking, what with their partnering with Yingluck's Office and whatnot.

[jdinasia]

Oh boy, another poster who is living in the land of unicorns

A " majority of MPs voting " does not constitute a general election and as we subsequently discovered after the election was eventually held, the north-east and north of Thailand were then able to properly express their wishes as to who exactly should be Prime Minister.

Pardon .....

But to correct some bad impressions you are giving that Abhisit's election to PM was off ...

in 2007 PPP did not get a majority of the population (they did not as PTP in 2011 either) Nor did they get a majority of seats in parliament. They had to form a coalition government.

PPP got 36.63% of the constituency vote and 39,60% of the proportional vote

DEMs got 30.30 constituency and 39,63% proportional (strangely due to gerrymandering they got one less proportional/party list seat than PPP .

PPP could have dissolved parliament and called for fresh elections but chose not to. When they got tossed for election fraud (documented on video) Parliament did what it does ... it elected a new PM. Newin switched sides (he was in the PPP coalition) and that was all it took. People have argued a case for interference by outside parties, or money, but let's be honest. Thaksin could outspend anyone and the Friends of Newin faction sided with the Dems. 100% legal and legit.

We call all think what we want to think about what the 2011 elections meant, I think they meant that the Red political machine made hay while the sun shined on the deaths that they themselves were responsible for ... but even in 2011 PTP failed to get 50% of either constituency or partly list votes ---- due to the vagaries of the system, they did however get more than 50% of the seats, I do not think that they would have faired that well had it not been for the red instigated violence.

Now .... Suthep has the charges facing him, which, like the protesters on the red side in the past, he will choose to ignore. (He won't make a runner though.) --- He will step up the protests harder and harder while his political allies (no longer his team -- he quit) steps up the pressure on the administration and its lackeys. Abhisit needs to push for Jatuporn and Nuttawutt's bail revokations (Nuttawutt;s has to wait until the 12th). He also needs to call on malfeasance and dereliction of duties charges against DSI chief Tharit. (see today's Rohingya story)... then he needs to start slamming the head of CAPO ... and start pushing awareness that Thaksin's B-I-L has just joined PTP along with 108 more formerly banned politicians.

Suthep could take the risk of turning himself in like the PAD leaders did in the past, because if they held onto him it would increase the anger on the streets and even more so in the South. So we can assume that if Suthep turns himself in it will be because the bail terms are agreed to in advance and do not include him being restricted from the rallies. After all, unlike the redshirt leaders or their movement, there simply has not been significant violence and no calls for it from the stages.

[billd766]

This hypocritical sycophant is truly shameless.

What else would you expect from Thaksin's mouthpiece (and relative).

he is also a relative? How many relatives does Thaksin have? And as it seems all are in politics. Two sisters, brother in law, wife, etc etc

There are some in the Police and the Army as well.

[billd766]

That is going to be a problem. It seems that Suthep is using 3000 guards at a cost of 5 million baht per day. (Nobody asking questions this time where them money is coming from?) The morons seem to come from Rayong province and each and every stage member or member of his panel has at any time 8 armed guards with him or her.

Really? Where did you get that little gem from?

Do you have ANY verifiable links or proof or it that from Thaksins little red book?

[billd766]

I think people missed the crucial word in the OP.... SURRENDER. there is a big difference in doing that and being arrested. If however Suthep really loved the people so much he would sacrifice and surrender allowing others to take his place at the table... maybe Abshit or whoever, it dosnt really matter but atm this is a man under investigation for previous criminal allegations and also under warrant of arrest. He has no place at the table, he is not an MP and needs to stand down and let others get on with dialogue and moving talks forward, which is exactly what this clown wants to avoid... talks.

Do you realise that you could replace Sutheps name with Thaksin but you would have to add convicted criminal fugitive as well to that.

[slapout]

Surapong certainly has displayed the shin attitude of 'total analiation of those who disagree with us'. He has just been announced as head of CAPO and he is threatening to have a cruise ship load of people arrested. About the only ones he seems to have forgotten are those who have been cleaning up the mess/rubish left behind.

He and Jutaporn would make a good pair to discard. Neither seem to have the ability to get a hand job in a 'whore house' and seem to slink to the back of the crowd when its time to do some head cracking.

[rubl]

So, Dept. Prime Minster, Minister of Foreign Affairs and head of the CAPO said so?

Didn't 'the' government already make clear that a 'people's council' was unconstitutional? So why talk about it? Also why put conditions before wanting to talk about something already rejected?

OK Rubl, please explain to me just exactly "what" a Peoples Council is and how " it " fits in with the Constitution. I've not seen an explanation yet.

No need, the Thai government has said it's unconstitutional. That means I don't even have to know what it means

[jdinasia]

That is going to be a problem. It seems that Suthep is using 3000 guards at a cost of 5 million baht per day. (Nobody asking questions this time where them money is coming from?) The morons seem to come from Rayong province and each and every stage member or member of his panel has at any time 8 armed guards with him or her.

Really? Where did you get that little gem from?

Do you have ANY verifiable links or proof or it that from Thaksins little red book?

I ran across the story today, (I had asked the same thing) it was in the BP. The Lie in TK's post is that the guards are costing that. The logistics of the event are costing that. The same article that said the guards come from Rayong also said they were volunteers. (And consisted of some Navy officers IIRC)

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed.

[kingalfred]

This isn't off topic"Surapong hypocritical scum" right on topic