Thai opposition says all its MPs to resign

[Thait Spot]

 

Not sure how this will work out. Nobody appears to want to govern this country under a democratic system.

I'm very worried for Thai folk over the "Peoples" Council thing. At least the current democratic system had SOME checks and balances. I mean the Democrats and protests did help stop the amnesty bill. But an unelected council of appointed people smacks of a Laos, DPRK style ring to it. Hope I'm wrong but it seems to me the PC is a big jump into the unknown that will bring its own style of grief. Finding impartial, incorruptible people to serve for the greater good, seems akin to mission impossible.It might have been better for Thais to work with what they've got, rather than trying on a new system.

I also haven't seen anything to suggest that there should be either an election (assuming PT would run on a platform of maintaining the current system and the Democrats on a platform of changing to a new system of Peoples Council), or a referendum on changing the system of government. In my opinion, a change in governmental system should be voted for by the people. It certainly isn't, in my opinion, right that a very small number of protestors should decide for the whole country.

But I am just a guest and I'll go about my daily life whoever and whatever system Thais end up with.

 

 

I could be wrong, but I don't think the dems are any keener on suthep's people's council than PT.

 

 

So why have they voted en masse to resign and march on government house in support of suthep - apart from being clinically deluded that is?

So the clinically deluded outsmart the politically bewildered?

No surprises there

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[Always18]

"The protest leaders have said that they would not be satisfied with new elections, leaving the two sides locked in a stalemate that risks scaring off foreign investors and tourists."

The protest leaders want the country to be governed by appointed, not elected, councils because they keep losing elections. If they succeed it will tear this country apart, the Thai's will not abandon democracy without a fight.

"The Thais will not abandon democracy without a fight"......................sadly, you're assuming that Thais actually understand the true meaning of the word democracy...................not in my lifetime or yours, I can assure you.

[patyh]

So let me understand this

This legally elected gvernement has offered to stand down and hold elections within 2 months but the opposition says that is not good enough

I think it clear who are the whack jobs are.

Thats because you dont understand whats at stake here if they buy an additional 2months then they get awfully close to the 180days where they could pass the ammnesty bill as easy as ripping of a fart and no one can say shit about it and after that the PTP could do whatever they want as they dobt have to listen to anyone people are not allowed to protest anymore they dont have to disclose what they do with public funds or how the 2trillion baht loan is spent etc do your home work

There are reasons for concern you just dont see the big picture...if they get time to reach the 180days its checkmate for democracy and Thailand has become a Thaksinocracy instead...

A question. Awfully close to 180 days. You clearly do not understand how that work. They have to dissolve the house way before the 2 months which puts them further way from it.

Then there is the question of the purpose of the protest. It started as a protest against the amnesty bill which I think should never been created by anyway, once the senate reject the bill, the protest seems to have lost it's purpose till Mr. Suthep comes up and say, let's get rid of the Thaksin Regime. What is that suppose to mean? The reason why they are in power before those fools have never for once managed to get into power via a proper election. Every single time the Democrat lose to some other party fingers point to vote buying. Seriously? I've seen vote buying from EVERY SINGLE PARTY including the Democrat party. So really a point to ponder.

So really, if the protest is for the removal of the "Thaksin Regime" accept the election, win some actual votes and throw them out. And not hire buses to pick up all your supporters from the south. Quite a coincidence with the floods in the south ain't it.

[jackrich]

They are resigning only because they know that they are leading their supporters to their graves tomorrow and they are afraid that their party will be dissolved because of it if they don't.

[Henn]

My local soup vendor says he's getting paid 1,000 Baht to go protest tomorrow. He says that's the only reason he's going, as he doesn't care who wins. A few of his friends are apparently being picked up by a bus tomorrow morning to go to the rally, at which point each of them will receive 1,000 Baht.

I think there are some good replies to your alleged scenario.

Remarkably, and rather ironically, they are you own replies to people who similarly posted their own personal experiences.

And where is the proof of that? I keep reading these accusations but the reality is that my 5 year old makes things up too. Doesn't mean that it's true.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/687430-pm-offers-house-dissolution-and-national-election/page-2#entry7134882

and

Is there any proof for this story? Or something that your wife's cousin might have made up? I mean no disrespect but other than words, there is no proof to back up this story.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/687207-thai-govt-behind-the-violence-pdrc-claims/#entry7130383

[TVGerry]

My local soup vendor says he's getting paid 1,000 Baht to go protest tomorrow. He says that's the only reason he's going, as he doesn't care who wins. A few of his friends are apparently being picked up by a bus tomorrow morning to go to the rally, at which point each of them will receive 1,000 Baht.

But that's not corruption, is it?

The red shirts actually offered me 5000 baht to go protest with them!

But I told them I would only get out of bed for 10000. Too bad.

[StealthEnergiser]

just saw a photo of the red cyber academy on twitter @cdmthai l it makes think if any thai visa posters are part that academy .

[Alwyn]

have i got this right?
Boooo.. we don't want you as prime minister. We want democracy
Okay, step down and we'll have an election in a democratic manner
Booo we don't want you as prime minister, we want democracy

(Keep repeating)

[Neurath]

RT@veen_NT: Rak Prathet Thai Party leader Chuwit Kamolvisith is to resign as MP too. he said the parliament could no longer drag on. via @Thairath_News

The first rat has jumped off the sinking ship.

Who will be next ?

He's not a member of the Government.

[Alwyn]

have i got this right?

Boooo.. we don't want you as prime minister. We want democracy

Okay, step down and we'll have an election in a democratic manner

Booo we don't want you as prime minister, we want democracy

(Keep repeating)

Second verse.... we want democracy, if we resign the military will take over.. yayyyy for democracy (mob rule)

[millwall_fan]

HEY BRUCE! Maybe they now want some DEMOCRATIC reforms? I wish pray and hope so. If not back to selling bananas for all THAILAND as INVESTORS will leave - and much to people thinking they will return... look elsewhere my friends, money DOES NOT come back via big industry.

i don't know how long you have been in Thailand, but you patently don't have a clue what is going on. The 'Democrat' party are advocating an unelected council run by themselves as the stooges of the Ruling Elite. They most certainly don't want 'democratic' reforms'. They lose every time a 'democratic' election is held. They are the enemies of 'democracy

Interesting move. Does this mean that Chuvit is now opposition leader?

Good post - I suppose that's about right! Bangkok's king of porn is now leader of the opposition.....well he couldn't do a worse job!

Really it's that clear "who are the whack jobs are"? Not those who pulled soldiers out of trucks and murdered them, not those who tried to burn down Bangkok?

So let me understand this

This legally elected gvernement has offered to stand down and hold elections within 2 months but the opposition says that is not good enough alt=rolleyes.gif pagespeed_url_hash=2070704717 width=20 height=20>

I think it clear who are the whack jobs are.

'Tried to burn Bangkok down'? Don't you think thats a trifle exaggerated? 1 rich peoples shopping centre was set alight - it remains unclear by whom. The army was instructed by indicted murderers Abhisit and Suthep to intervene with live ammunition and at least 90 people were murdered. so yes, Diamond King is right - the 'Dems' are the 'whack-jobs'

[whybother]

They are resigning only because they know that they are leading their supporters to their graves tomorrow and they are afraid that their party will be dissolved because of it if they don't.

Going to their graves? Are you suggesting that Yingluck has ordered the police to shoot people?

[jackrich]

My local soup vendor says he's getting paid 1,000 Baht to go protest tomorrow. He says that's the only reason he's going, as he doesn't care who wins. A few of his friends are apparently being picked up by a bus tomorrow morning to go to the rally, at which point each of them will receive 1,000 Baht.

I think there are some good replies to your alleged scenario.

Remarkably, and rather ironically, they are you own replies to people who similarly posted their own personal experiences.

And where is the proof of that? I keep reading these accusations but the reality is that my 5 year old makes things up too. Doesn't mean that it's true.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/687430-pm-offers-house-dissolution-and-national-election/page-2#entry7134882

and

Is there any proof for this story? Or something that your wife's cousin might have made up? I mean no disrespect but other than words, there is no proof to back up this story.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/687207-thai-govt-behind-the-violence-pdrc-claims/#entry7130383

Well, since the other person's post was widely accepted as proof, I think it's only fair that mine be accepted as well, no? Or is it only proof if the other party does it?

[whybother]

'Tried to burn Bangkok down'? Don't you think thats a trifle exaggerated? 1 rich peoples shopping centre was set alight - it remains unclear by whom. The army was instructed by indicted murderers Abhisit and Suthep to intervene with live ammunition and at least 90 people were murdered. so yes, Diamond King is right - the 'Dems' are the 'whack-jobs'

"at least 90 people were murdered" "it remains unclear by whom"

[jackrich]

They are resigning only because they know that they are leading their supporters to their graves tomorrow and they are afraid that their party will be dissolved because of it if they don't.

Going to their graves? Are you suggesting that Yingluck has ordered the police to shoot people?

Read the Bangkok post. Suthep has said that people should be prepared to die tomorrow for the cause.

[hellodolly]

POLITICS

Democrat Party MPs to resign en masse : Abhisit

BANGKOK: -- Democrat Party's leader Abhisit Vejjajiva announced Sunday that a party meeting resolved that all of its lawmakers would resign en masse.

Abhisit said Pheu Thai and the government have never taken responsibility for passing the controversial Amnesty Bill.

Moreover the government declared that it will not accept the Constitutional Court’s ruling on the charter amendment.

Abhisit, a former prime minister, said the declaration is not acceptable. He also questioned Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra’s latest offers to dissolve the House and hold a public referendum.

He said Yingluck is not sincere in making the offers and distorted the information to make people think his party was the cause of the coup d’etat in 2006.

Therefore, after reviewing all circumstances and incidents, the party decided that all party MPs will resign en masse with immediate effects.

Abhisit added that tomorrow, we as Thai citizens, will use their basic rights to protect the constitution.

-- The Nation 2013-12-08

Makes sense to me. the government never listened to them any way. the people who elected them had no voice because of the irresponsible attitude of the government.

If any one doubts there credibility have a look at there corruption rating. with a perfect score they would have a score of 100 with no credibility at all just pure corruption they would have a score of 0. They scored 35 down 2 points since they came into 9ffice and said they were going to clean corruption up.

Check it out.

http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/results/

[icare999]

They are back to their 2006 tactic, if you can't win at the ballot box, you frustrate the system. The democratic party is democratic in name only.

Not only do they backstab all the people that voted for them, they now openly support Suthep and his People's council.

I feel sorry for everyone that voted these clowns in to parliament.

Once and for all it is now been officially revealed. The financial muscle behind the Dems is the same group sponsoring the rally. I have just watched that spineless thing that calls himself a leader declaring his intentions in the hope level headed Democrat supporters will head for the streets tomorrow and swell the dwindling numbers.

What amazed me most was the skill of Blue Sky TV to hide the strings of the puppet master controlling Mr Abhisit. If they have resigned they should never be allowed to enter politics again after failing the 11 million that voted for them. The Dems are effectively saying that they dont want to govern in favour of a selected 'Peoples Council". For the 11 million that voted for these worthless people I feel sorry , you deserve better. Dont make the same mistake again, they dont want democracy, the next free election is your chance to resign this political party (term used very loosely) to history and let Thailand move forward.

yes lets all move to a one party Taksin state and lets let him his clan and cronies do anything they want . This country will only more forward when Taksin his clan and cronies finally leave. I hope you actually live here along with all other blind idiots because if you do you will get to see your wish come true and watch your family and children kneel before big brother not the Korea style. Maybe your so rich it does not matter or put nothing into this country so again can just jump ship and flee like rest of Taksin cowards. Maybe your just so deluded and brainwashed you no longer see whats in front of your eyes.

I odnt know and really don't care what you think. What I do know for sure is if Taksin gets away with this Thailand will slowly and surely descend into a one party police state. Its been happening slowly since Taksin first started to take control of everything back in 2003-2006 and before.

As I've said many times I've been here 30 years and lived through all sorts of bad and corrupt governments but none have been as bad as this or so bent on taking total power and control. This will not end tomorrow but maybe tomorrow just maybe could be start of ridding Thailand of an evil megalomaniac and maybe just maybe start of something better.

I just pray this protest succeeds and if not then that army take over again and rid us once and for all of Taksin.

Well see but I have plans for whichever way it goes over next few years and they do not include living in a Taksin dominated Thailand if he wins.

[millwall_fan]

They are resigning only because they know that they are leading their supporters to their graves tomorrow and they are afraid that their party will be dissolved because of it if they don't.

Going to their graves? Are you suggesting that Yingluck has ordered the police to shoot people?

Like the leaders of the protest movement ordered the army to do in 2010?

[Thait Spot]

Guess you can't buy peoples hearts, and Thais have big hearts and love their country. A lesson for Taksin, although i am not convinced he learns from his mistakes or is prepared to listen to others.

Yingluck should resign and dissolve the house. No point trying to fool the nation any more with outrageous lies.

 

Absolutely no point dissolving the house....for what. The Suthep mob does not want elections it can never win. It wants total control and nothing less and the only way to do this is appoint their own people to a Council. Dont give one hoot about Thailand. And Thaksins bad. Now desperation sets in they are showing their morals...absolutely none what so ever

In a mature democracy this bunch of PTP cheats would be imprisoned for their crimes.

That they are able to call upon the red hordes to intimidate judges is an even further insult to democracy.

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[whybother]

They are resigning only because they know that they are leading their supporters to their graves tomorrow and they are afraid that their party will be dissolved because of it if they don't.

Going to their graves? Are you suggesting that Yingluck has ordered the police to shoot people?

Read the Bangkok post. Suthep has said that people should be prepared to die tomorrow for the cause.

You'll need to be a bit more specific ... maybe the title of the article ... as I can't find a reference to Suthep saying people should be prepared to die.

[Docno]

Hmmm .... One hellava chess game ?????

You can't compare this <deleted> to chess - politicians from both sides are about as subtle as hand grenades and have the tactical thinking of a 7 year old with dyslexia.

It's all a game of "mine's bigger than yours" being carried out by playground bullies.

They should rename this place Kindergartenland.

Nothing unique to Thailand. Have you forgotten how the opposition in the "world's most powerful nation" recently shut-down government operations because they didn't like legislation introduced by the democratically elected party in power?

give us a break ,you really dont know what democracy is,just as your red buddies dont

Please do educate...

[Your reply seems to be a non-sequitur... I simply said that political brinksmanship is not unique to Thailand. What does this have to do with my--or your--definition of democracy, colour coding, etc?]

Edited December 8, 2013 by Docno

[Bluespunk]

They are resigning only because they know that they are leading their supporters to their graves tomorrow and they are afraid that their party will be dissolved because of it if they don't.

The democrats aren't leading anything tomorrow.

[dru2]

The Democrate Party knows that their days are numbered and so resigned to avoid being dissolved....well, to save face really.

I know that there are some guys that like these kind of posts but could you explain why the Dems were going to be dissolved (their days are numbered)?

Of course he can't!

[whybother]

They are resigning only because they know that they are leading their supporters to their graves tomorrow and they are afraid that their party will be dissolved because of it if they don't.

Going to their graves? Are you suggesting that Yingluck has ordered the police to shoot people?

Like the leaders of the protest movement ordered the army to do in 2010?

I look forward to seeing Yingluck charged with murder then, if there are any deaths this time round.

[icare999]

The lesser of two evils is the Military COUP.. Anything is better than the Thaksin and red SHIrT running Thailand now!!!

You were obviously not here during the coup years.

nor were you by sounds of things Ive been here 30 years and if you were here in years before the coup you will have witnessed Taksin taking over every part of power in this country. You will also if you were here have seen on day of coup the joy in Bangkok of we thought getting rid of this evil monster and huge welcome given to army for doing its duty and protecting once again Thailand. THe mistake was letting him go but it was thought he would give p and just take billions he stole as others had down before him and people believed his words when he said he was done with politics.

Taksin is biggest threat to democracy and freedom here I have seen in 30 years

[Misterwhisper]

The former premier went into exile in 2008 to avoid jail for a corruption conviction which he says was politically motivated.

But failed to mention he is the king of political motivation.

There's some crucial information missing anyway:

The former premier jumped bail and went fled into exile in 2008 to avoid jail for ahead of an anticipated corruption conviction which he says claims was politically motivated.

Puts an entirely different spin on it and is in fact much "truer" than the original sentence.

[philw]

This is a very perceptive post.

Ignoring the fact that they're completely made up numbers.

it's not about the numbers, but why bother, why bother.

[Bluespunk]

They are resigning only because they know that they are leading their supporters to their graves tomorrow and they are afraid that their party will be dissolved because of it if they don't.

Going to their graves? Are you suggesting that Yingluck has ordered the police to shoot people?

Read the Bangkok post. Suthep has said that people should be prepared to die tomorrow for the cause.

suthep said that not the democrats. suthep is calling for these days of [pointless] action not the democrats. suthep and the democrats are not one and the same.

[millwall_fan]

'Tried to burn Bangkok down'? Don't you think thats a trifle exaggerated? 1 rich peoples shopping centre was set alight - it remains unclear by whom. The army was instructed by indicted murderers Abhisit and Suthep to intervene with live ammunition and at least 90 people were murdered. so yes, Diamond King is right - the 'Dems' are the 'whack-jobs'

"at least 90 people were murdered" "it remains unclear by whom"

The level of uninformed debate on this forum seems to grow daily. Even Abhisit admits that he and Suthep authorised the army to use live ammunition. An inquest in August found officially that the army killed the 6 protesters murdered in Pathum Wanaram temple. It is perfectly clear to everyone except 'whybother' that the army were guilty. The only issue to be resolved is who authorised them to shoot. We may get a step nearer to finding the answer to that on Thursday when Messrs Suthep and Abhisit are due in court to answer murder charges. Assuming Mr. Suthep intends to attend.

[Thait Spot]

That is what you do when your name is a joke and you are in a matter of fact not interested at all in democracy. If you cannot win elections, you do not take part in elections or your resign, hoping that you are asked to form the new government and can appoint "honest" people. Honest people like Suthep (land scandal, palmoil scandal,bribing scandal).

Hopefully someone in the judiciary have noticed it and disband the party and give all people who resign a life time political ban. Go out and campaign in Izan, take the voters seriously instead of refusing to get your boots dirty and serve the Chinese minority only. IF Bangkok was a normal place, all people living there would be able to register as a voter and even in Bangkok the Democrat Party would not stand any chance.

Yep the democratic party should be disolved. It is quite clear that their only aim is to disrupt the system, and all because they are unable to appeal to enough Thai voters. I have no doubt any general election called by Yingluck will be boycotted as well as any by election that might follow in the case she doesn't disolve the house.

An utter disgrace, no other words.

Disrupt what system?

The one where you get to play PM with the right DNA?

The one where you change legislation half way through its passage to benefit those with the right DNA?

The one where you cheat the vote in the house by giving your voting cards to a friend!

The one where you lie about closing voting times to con the house vote?

You should be ashamed of your undemocratic principles

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