dblaisde Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 So says "The Kratom News" in this unintentionally rather amusing broadcast. Does anyone have confirmation about this? Many people have found it to be very useful for pain control and relaxation, without disorientation and lack of coordination (at least in moderate doses). It's also been successful for weaning people off heroin. It's an interesting drug with many different alkaloids and deserves scientific study, of which there's not much. Banning it (as is being talked about in the US) would make it very hard to do research on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kvIELu76Qsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seajae Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I have been looking at it for chronic pain but am not up on the best way to use it etc plus I am a bit unsure about it. I was on regular opoids for the pain but have weened myself of them and will only use them when it is extreme as they were really damaging to my health, kratom seems like a pretty good alternative but I know bugger all about it and do not want to use it till I know more. I have a access through people my wife knows(they grow it themselves) if I want it and pretty cheap too but until it is legal and I know more about it I will just sit on the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinity11 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Treu or not? Is kartom illegal still or now legal? The trees grow here so seems silly to make/keep it illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dblaisde Posted December 16, 2013 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2013 seajae--I've been taking it for a couple of months and like it a lot. You can find more at wikipedia, of course. It's very good for pain relief, hitting the same receptors as the opiates. The feeling is very much the same (I know because I've broken a few bones and have experienced hospital opiates). It has the benefit of not being very addictive either. You *can* build up a tolerance if you take it every day (vs. every other day, say), but I've read that going "cold turkey" is pretty easy. (vs. the opiates). There are several alkaloids in kratom, and some confusion as to which cause its effects. Their are different species of Kratom, with differing effects, probably because of the different ratio of alkaloids in different species. It's grown in Borneo, Malaysia,Thailand, Indonesia, and a number of other SE Asia countries, and illegal in Malaysia (what isn't) and Thailand, as well as Australia. It was made illegal in Thailand in the '40s, primarily because people were turning to it rather than the more expensive opium, so the opium producers pushed the government to make it illegal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kratom And here's a report out of Thailand with lots of good info and pics that recommends legalization... http://www.tni.org/sites/www.tni.org/files/download/kratom-briefing-dlr13.pdf Reddit also has an online discussion forum: http://www.reddit.com/r/kratom 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblaisde Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 infinity11--Decriminalization isn't the same thing as legalization. The former means that you won't go to jail anymore, but may be fined--like a traffic ticket. But I'm still not sure that it in fact *is* decriminalized, as alleged by the video I posted. I'd hoped for confirmation here (or at least confirmation that it *hadn't*) but nobody seem to know much (or care?). I *much* prefer kratom to beer, BTW. No hangovers, no falling down. But a nice lucid relaxation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazygourmet Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 We have a kratom tree in our garden in Khao Yai. It is not illegal to own it -local orbotor said-; but it is illegal to commercialize the leaves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 We have a kratom tree in our garden in Khao Yai. It is not illegal to own it -local orbotor said-; but it is illegal to commercialize the leaves. Actually at the present time it is illegal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinity11 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 BTW and FYI: The effect of the leaves fresh and dry are very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbalEd Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 The guy in the video should learn how to pronounce kratom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbalEd Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 BTW and FYI: The effect of the leaves fresh and dry are very different. I what ways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dao16 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Nice.....a few years ago I went with the wife to visit some relatives and they gave us a ton of fruits and things to take back home (they have a lot of fertile land). Uncle had offered this to my wife and she said no, better not as we are driving a long distance. So, uncle got it into his head to tuck it underneath a seat among all the other fruit (the back of the car was really packed). Drove a few thousand kilos with that in the car. Unfortunately, we didn't know about it so it rotted in the heat in the car and I finally fished it out looking for what was causing the smell. When I showed the wife (hahaha....I took it out of the car and carried the whole lot to the apt in broad daylight...whatever, guess it looks like any leaf to the unanointed like me) she said "oh...we shouldn't have taken that with us...it is illegal now, but it used to be legal, so "lung" just wanted my parents to have it, I guess." Never got to try it, hahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 We have a kratom tree in our garden in Khao Yai. It is not illegal to own it -local orbotor said-; but it is illegal to commercialize the leaves. Actually at the present time it is illegal The Kratom Act of 2486 specifically states it is illegal to grow and existing ones to be cut down. In early October it went under its 3rd review since 1990 to remove it from the illicit drug list. They expected to know the decision in 2 months, which would make it this month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 We have a kratom tree in our garden in Khao Yai. It is not illegal to own it -local orbotor said-; but it is illegal to commercialize the leaves. The told me in the south, that it is absolute illegal to have a kratom tree. The complete plant is illegal In Nakhon Si Thammerat they have huge problems with it. The kids "extract" the substances out of it with coke and drink way too much of it and get complete crazy. They told me the difference is like chewing coca leaves or taking cocaine. I am against restricting any narcotics, as it doesn't work, but I can understand that people don't like Kratom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblaisde Posted December 26, 2013 Author Share Posted December 26, 2013 Here's 2 stories I found in the thai (.th) domain, which support the KN article:englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/justice-minist...atom-from-drug-list/thainews.prd.go.th/centerweb/newsen/News...D=WNSOC5610030010004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthbkkbkk Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 So, is it legal or not? My assistant did her usual web searches in Thai and said yes but them we saw on the news people have just been arrested for it. Any information would be nice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko kok prong Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Yet that other beautiful and helpful plant,mary jane is still illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandi Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 We have a kratom tree in our garden in Khao Yai. It is not illegal to own it -local orbotor said-; but it is illegal to commercialize the leaves. The told me in the south, that it is absolute illegal to have a kratom tree. The complete plant is illegal In Nakhon Si Thammerat they have huge problems with it. The kids "extract" the substances out of it with coke and drink way too much of it and get complete crazy. They told me the difference is like chewing coca leaves or taking cocaine. I am against restricting any narcotics, as it doesn't work, but I can understand that people don't like Kratom. People who compare kratom with cocaine show they have absolutely no idea about the substance(s) themselves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliot Rosewater Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 My knowledge is that it is decriminalized only in the southrrn provinces where it is grown Still illegal everywhere else Sent from my GT-I9300T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiberius Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Tramadol for medium pain, around 50 baht for 10 generic in the chemist. Works on the opiate receptors but not strictly an opiate. Work everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthbkkbkk Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Tramadol for medium pain, around 50 baht for 10 generic in the chemist. Works on the opiate receptors but not strictly an opiate. Work everytime. It is also addictive and one builds a tollerence to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiberius Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Agreed but couldn't you say the same of any opiate related painkiller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthbkkbkk Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Agreed but couldn't you say the same of any opiate related painkiller? you're up early (or late). Yes, the same can be said. tramadol was released as an over the counter drug in America because, supossedly, it takes a lot to become addicted. I don't know if that is true or not. That's why I am interested in Kratom but only if it is legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiberius Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Tramadol gets a bad press. I personally haven't had any problems with it but I only use it sporadically. I can see the attraction though if you take a lot of it there is a discernible "high". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeya Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 mix it with coke and mosquito coils and its called >see kun roy anyone know the thai spelling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthbkkbkk Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 mix it with coke and mosquito coils and its called >see kun roy anyone know the thai spelling? I would be fairly certain that extraction of any of the alkaloids is illegal. Why break the law when abiding by it is almost the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurkster Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> BTW and FYI: The effect of the leaves fresh and dry are very different. that is for sure, i ordered some powder and dry leaf (its all legal in the US) and it wasn't the same as the fresh leaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkgooner Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Is this stuff legal or illegal in Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Is this stuff legal or illegal in Thailand? Still illegal same with weed, will probably stay illigal for a long time its great to put people in jail for it and extort money. So doubt they will make it legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkgooner Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Is this stuff legal or illegal in Thailand? Still illegal same with weed, will probably stay illigal for a long time its great to put people in jail for it and extort money. So doubt they will make it legal. Thanks, very strange that it is still illegal sounds like it could help a lot of people suffering with chronic pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinity11 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 BTW and FYI: The effect of the leaves fresh and dry are very different. I what ways? with a name like yours i MUST respond weaker or no effect at all now what they are selling in the states or the uk legally may very well be tainted or a special breed because of the effect i heard about because the fresh leaves here work fine and the dry ones as a tea almost like nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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