Pump Differences

[JimSiam]

I am looking at a new pump, there are two types I have seen, one seems to be a constant pump and other a storage pump, can anyone explain what the difference is and the situations they can be used in.

I have a 3 storey shophouse and an inground 1,000 litre water tank, does having an above ground tank change the type of pump needed as the lift is less?

Here is an example of the two different types of pumps.

Edited December 23, 2013 by JimSiam

[Crossy]

Both those pumps are pressure storage type (they have a pressure tank). The bigger the tank the better (Mitsubishi).

Just visually they both appear to be self-priming, so either will do the trick, if, they have sufficient pressure and flow to work your top floor shower. Even with a self-primer you should install a foot valve in your below ground tank to prevent the pump losing prime.

True constant pressure (inverter) pumps are a LOT more expensive.

Your local pump shop should be able to recommend a suitable unit based upon your requirements.

[JimSiam]

Both those pumps are pressure storage type (they have a pressure tank). The bigger the tank the better (Mitsubishi).

Just visually they both appear to be self-priming, so either will do the trick, if, they have sufficient pressure and flow to work your top floor shower. Even with a self-primer you should install a foot valve in your below ground tank to prevent the pump losing prime.

True constant pressure (inverter) pumps are a LOT more expensive.

Your local pump shop should be able to recommend a suitable unit based upon your requirements.

Thanks, the store reccomended the Fujika as it has onsite service and the others were return to depot, I have had the type like the mitsu before and didnt like the way they fluctuate in pressure as the high and low pressure switch turns the pump on and off, so a constant flow pump like the Fujika may suit me better, they suggested the 150watt would handle 3 floors head, but only 1 bathroom at once, for an extra 1,000 baht the 250 watt would handle all 3 apparently, so I may opt for that, thanks for your input.

The tank has a foot valve on the bottom of the pickup already, the Fujika also comes with an inlet filter which is easy to clean.

[kamalabob2]

I'm not sure what Province in Thailand or what type of retailer for the house water pump JimSiam was shopping, but prior to purchasing a Fujika FCP-250 he might wish to compare that model (and the REAL availability to spare parts, fit and finish of the build and fine print of the warranty) to a Mitsubishi Electric

EP-205QS Domestic/Automatic Constant Pressure Water Pump (EP)

It can NOT be unique to Buriram Province where the high volume "Water Pump Specialist Store" will not only give a genuine discount to list prices, but will provide trained actual store staff working under the guarantee of the store, (NOT a sales guy "moonlighting on the side on his day off with minimal tools and no formal training" offering an installation) to safely and correctly install your water pump. It can't be only in Buriram Province where the "water pump shop" will have in stock actual spare parts for the models they sell so ON SITE repairs can be done at your home AND the staff will bring in the truck a free "loaner water pump" so if the water pump had to be taken to the shop (not sent off in a box to Bangkok) you still would have a water pump at your house. Think about where hospitals go to have water pumps installed and serviced. This must be a similar situation in any province in Thailand. Hospitals all over Buriram Province have water pumps bought and installed by Ruangsangthai. Check the stickers on the water pumps at the hospitals in your province to clue you to the water pump specialists in your area.

The owner of Ruangsangthai Hardware in Buriram read the posting by JimSiam and suggested a better value, long term water pump would be the Mitsubishi EP-205QS. That same shop owner stocks and sells thousands, of Hitachi, Lucky Pro, and Lucky Star water pumps, but in the specific posting of a three story house, with an in ground water storage tank, the water pump shop owner with 20 years experience in selling and servicing water pumps, would highly recommend the Mitsubishi EP-205QS Constant Pressure Water Pump which has on site service and actual spare parts in any water pump specialist shop in Thailand. Before you buy a water pump for a house in Thailand you might consider to look at the actual repair department at that store, actual stock of spare parts for the brand you are considering at that store, and look to see the supply of "loaner water pumps", so you can never be stuck without a properly maintained water pump. You will pay less, get guaranteed installation, and have professional prompt local service from a water pump specialist in your province, rather than a fancy store with sales staff getting a "spiff" or secret commission to push a 2nd tier brand on trusting customers. Think about how quiet a Mitsubishi Electric floor standing fan is compared to ANY other brand of free standing floor fans.

http://www.fujika-electric.com/product_detail.php?part_no=FCP-250%20&type_no=02

http://www.mitsubishi-kye.com/ProdDetailEN.asp?prodid=55

http://www.burirambuildersmerchants.com/mitsubishi-water-pumps.html

[JimSiam]

I'm not sure what Province in Thailand or what type of retailer for the house water pump JimSiam was shopping, but prior to purchasing a Fujika FCP-250 he might wish to compare that model (and the REAL availability to spare parts, fit and finish of the build and fine print of the warranty) to a Mitsubishi Electric

EP-205QS Domestic/Automatic Constant Pressure Water Pump (EP)

It can NOT be unique to Buriram Province where the high volume "Water Pump Specialist Store" will not only give a genuine discount to list prices, but will provide trained actual store staff working under the guarantee of the store, (NOT a sales guy "moonlighting on the side on his day off with minimal tools and no formal training" offering an installation) to safely and correctly install your water pump. It can't be only in Buriram Province where the "water pump shop" will have in stock actual spare parts for the models they sell so ON SITE repairs can be done at your home AND the staff will bring in the truck a free "loaner water pump" so if the water pump had to be taken to the shop (not sent off in a box to Bangkok) you still would have a water pump at your house. Think about where hospitals go to have water pumps installed and serviced. This must be a similar situation in any province in Thailand. Hospitals all over Buriram Province have water pumps bought and installed by Ruangsangthai. Check the stickers on the water pumps at the hospitals in your province to clue you to the water pump specialists in your area.

The owner of Ruangsangthai Hardware in Buriram read the posting by JimSiam and suggested a better value, long term water pump would be the Mitsubishi EP-205QS. That same shop owner stocks and sells thousands, of Hitachi, Lucky Pro, and Lucky Star water pumps, but in the specific posting of a three story house, with an in ground water storage tank, the water pump shop owner with 20 years experience in selling and servicing water pumps, would highly recommend the Mitsubishi EP-205QS Constant Pressure Water Pump which has on site service and actual spare parts in any water pump specialist shop in Thailand. Before you buy a water pump for a house in Thailand you might consider to look at the actual repair department at that store, actual stock of spare parts for the brand you are considering at that store, and look to see the supply of "loaner water pumps", so you can never be stuck without a properly maintained water pump. You will pay less, get guaranteed installation, and have professional prompt local service from a water pump specialist in your province, rather than a fancy store with sales staff getting a "spiff" or secret commission to push a 2nd tier brand on trusting customers. Think about how quiet a Mitsubishi Electric floor standing fan is compared to ANY other brand of free standing floor fans.

http://www.fujika-electric.com/product_detail.php?part_no=FCP-250%20&type_no=02

http://www.mitsubishi-kye.com/ProdDetailEN.asp?prodid=55

http://www.burirambuildersmerchants.com/mitsubishi-water-pumps.html

Thanks for a great report, that was just the info I was after!

[bazmlb]

Both Thai Watsadu and Homeworks have the Mitsubishi EP-205QS Constant Pressure Water Pump for 6,700 baht which isn't bad.

[KarlHatton]

For slightly more money, I'd go for the 250W pump. I have a 150W pump (hitachi, from memory) and the shower flow/pressure when having a shower in the first floor bathroom is really not very good and I will be changing the pump soon.

[kamalabob2]

Everyday that Mitsubishi EP-205QS is less money in Buriram at Ruangsangthai Water Pump Shop than the price posted at Thai Watsadu or Homeworks. In my opinion the major differences when purchasing a water pump for a house in Buriram or any province in Thailand, would be exactly who is performing the installation, under what guarantee is the installation. What exact water pump repair team would come to your house to adjust or repair your Mitsubishi Water pump. Does the retailer actually have a repair staff at that store, do they maintain a stock of water pump spare parts, do they have actual repair teams with training, and will they at no charge install a "loaner water pump" in the event they had to take your water pump, even a deep well pump, from your home and back to the store for repairs. I am of the belief that most every Province in Thailand has independent water pump specialists who sell, maintain and repair the major brands of water pumps including Mitsubishi, Hitachi, and Grundfos Water pumps. Those independent Thailand water pump specialist shops generally have lower overhead, higher sales volume and lower prices to sell, install and repair water pumps than the major big box home centers. It is the same sort of water pump shop that the Thailand Highway Police would have install a water pump in their offices or the Thailand Election Commission would trust to install Grundfos water pumps in their three story offices in a new Buriram Province office. Those sort of customers, not to mention the Hospitals would be unforgiving of shoddy installations and incorrect water pump choices. Farang are not the only "fussy" customers. What water pump shop would the owner of a major Buriram professional soccer team trust to install and maintain his stadium water pumps or even his private residence water pumps. Every Province in Thailand has similar high profile customers which demand top notch quality workmanship and will not accept some "moon lighting" big box store clerk attempting water pump installations or water pump repairs on his day off. Those customers are not going to wait for water pump repairs from a Bangkok repair center.

[JimSiam]

Everyday that Mitsubishi EP-205QS is less money in Buriram at Ruangsangthai Water Pump Shop than the price posted at Thai Watsadu or Homeworks. In my opinion the major differences when purchasing a water pump for a house in Buriram or any province in Thailand, would be exactly who is performing the installation, under what guarantee is the installation. What exact water pump repair team would come to your house to adjust or repair your Mitsubishi Water pump. Does the retailer actually have a repair staff at that store, do they maintain a stock of water pump spare parts, do they have actual repair teams with training, and will they at no charge install a "loaner water pump" in the event they had to take your water pump, even a deep well pump, from your home and back to the store for repairs. I am of the belief that most every Province in Thailand has independent water pump specialists who sell, maintain and repair the major brands of water pumps including Mitsubishi, Hitachi, and Grundfos Water pumps. Those independent Thailand water pump specialist shops generally have lower overhead, higher sales volume and lower prices to sell, install and repair water pumps than the major big box home centers. It is the same sort of water pump shop that the Thailand Highway Police would have install a water pump in their offices or the Thailand Election Commission would trust to install Grundfos water pumps in their three story offices in a new Buriram Province office. Those sort of customers, not to mention the Hospitals would be unforgiving of shoddy installations and incorrect water pump choices. Farang are not the only "fussy" customers. What water pump shop would the owner of a major Buriram professional soccer team trust to install and maintain his stadium water pumps or even his private residence water pumps. Every Province in Thailand has similar high profile customers which demand top notch quality workmanship and will not accept some "moon lighting" big box store clerk attempting water pump installations or water pump repairs on his day off. Those customers are not going to wait for water pump repairs from a Bangkok repair center.

How much is it there?

[kamalabob2]

6400 baht for the Mitsubishi EP-205QS INCLUDING testing the water pump out of the box at the store, prior to you taking the pump, or pump shop staff bringing the pump and doing a professional installation at your house in Buriram Province. Most any independent Mitsubishi Water Pump Dealer in Thailand could match that price. It is not on promotion this month, that is the normal selling price at Ruangsangthai in Buriram seven days a week. Any good water pump shop in Thailand could set up the water pump in their repair department and test to make sure it works perfect prior to taking the pump to your home, or prior to you taking the water pump with you from the water pump store. It has been my experience in Thailand to do business with stores that facilitate "testing" of most any electrical item prior to departing from the store. It is not just the DVD players or Garmin device that need to be tested prior to leaving a retail store in Thailand.

[DraxNet]

Hi Baz, yeah I saw the thread thanks. Where is it 6400? I couldn't make it out in the detail?

[bazmlb]

Hi Baz, yeah I saw the thread thanks. Where is it 6400? I couldn't make it out in the detail?

Ruangsangthai Hardware in Buriram

http://www.burirambuildersmerchants.com/mitsubishi-water-pumps.html

[DraxNet]

Hi Baz, yeah I saw the thread thanks. Where is it 6400? I couldn't make it out in the detail?

Ruangsangthai Hardware in Buriram

http://www.burirambuildersmerchants.com/mitsubishi-water-pumps.html

I can't really match something on a product that's 337km away I'm afraid that's a bit much. I can price match strictly on a 20-30km radius but I push it a bit into Chon Buri but not Buriram I'm afraid. I will highlight the detail to head office to check and they may decide to match it nationally.

Thanks

Toby.

[bazmlb]

Hi Baz, yeah I saw the thread thanks. Where is it 6400? I couldn't make it out in the detail?

Ruangsangthai Hardware in Buriram

http://www.burirambuildersmerchants.com/mitsubishi-water-pumps.html

I can't really match something on a product that's 337km away I'm afraid that's a bit much. I can price match strictly on a 20-30km radius but I push it a bit into Chon Buri but not Buriram I'm afraid. I will highlight the detail to head office to check and they may decide to match it nationally.

Thanks

Toby.

I thought a major company backed by one of the biggest companys in Thailand would have a little bit better buying power than a small mom and pop shop in the middle of outback Thailand, where the freight costs to deliver there would be higher than Pattaya. Not taking the P..., but I hope you can see my point here.

[raro]

Just opened another thread before seeing this one... Here's the op :

The water pump seems to be on it's last leg. After having done some nnnnnnn-chk noises for a while - sometimes more sometimes less - it seems now to run idle. Pumping non stop without producing any pressure.

We had a repair guy here already a while ago who said no problem with the pump and since that thing is noisy I had it with it.

Now what would you recommend for a replacement? This is a one storey house.

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[raro]

I believe I have that mitubishi pump on the picture will check the type tomorrow.

The house came with a second dysfunctional pump of the same type and the House is as of today 11 Years old. This is less than 6 Years life span for one pump. Is that the normal life expectancy for a pump? Can I have something that lasts 10 Years for a 1,000 more?

How much are those inverter pumps?

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[bazmlb]

I believe I have that mitubishi pump on the picture will check the type tomorrow. The house came with a second dysfunctional pump of the same type and the House is as of today 11 Years old. This is less than 6 Years life span for one pump. Is that the normal life expectancy for a pump? Can I have something that lasts 10 Years for a 1,000 more? How much are those inverter pumps? Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

The Mitsu EP205QS seems to be the pump of choice at 6,700 baht, in the inverter version they are around 24,000 baht, the difference being about 100 baht in electronic components to control the speed of the motor.

The Mitsu is very quiet

[raro]

ok, friend came over who is in the know about water pumps.

He opened some screw cap on the top of the pump, lots of air came out and the pump works again. Now that was an easy one...

[PeterSmiles]

ok, friend came over who is in the know about water pumps.

He opened some screw cap on the top of the pump, lots of air came out and the pump works again. Now that was an easy one...

If there was air inside it will have had a reason. If you don't find the cause it will have been a temporary repair.

[PeterSmiles]

Hi Baz, yeah I saw the thread thanks. Where is it 6400? I couldn't make it out in the detail?

Ruangsangthai Hardware in Buriram

http://www.burirambuildersmerchants.com/mitsubishi-water-pumps.html

I can't really match something on a product that's 337km away I'm afraid that's a bit much. I can price match strictly on a 20-30km radius but I push it a bit into Chon Buri but not Buriram I'm afraid. I will highlight the detail to head office to check and they may decide to match it nationally.

Thanks

Toby.

I thought a major company backed by one of the biggest companys in Thailand would have a little bit better buying power than a small mom and pop shop in the middle of outback Thailand, where the freight costs to deliver there would be higher than Pattaya. Not taking the P..., but I hope you can see my point here.

Because they have more buying power doesn't necessarily mean the end consumer will profit from it .

EP205QS = 6125 Baht

http://homeone.tarad.com/product.detail_717322_th_4333280

Even a 100 Watt more powerful pump is only 7190 Baht at Home Pro

EP305QS

http://www.directtoshop.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/en/directtoshop/plumbing/water-pumps/mitsubishi-ep-305qs-constant-pump-p236369#.UsJSmuIQR1A

Edited December 31, 2013 by PeterSmiles

[kamalabob2]

There might not be any advantage to a larger pump for the O.P. other than a higher electrical bill each month. Certainly pays to shop around as some of the independent builders merchants have lower prices than larger National chains. Certainly was my personal experience with air conditioners, TV's and appliances in Buriram Province. It has been my observation and experience that a "pump shop" that offers professional installation, prompt repairs at your house or back at the local store is worth consideration. A Buriram water pump shop might not be the best place for a home owner in Chonburi, maybe not even in Korat, but I believe that in each province you will find the high volume water pump shop with an area and policy shown in this current photo at Ruangsangthai Hardware in Buriram.

[sandyf]

I believe I have that mitubishi pump on the picture will check the type tomorrow. The house came with a second dysfunctional pump of the same type and the House is as of today 11 Years old. This is less than 6 Years life span for one pump. Is that the normal life expectancy for a pump? Can I have something that lasts 10 Years for a 1,000 more? How much are those inverter pumps? Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

It is hit and miss with Mitsubishi, my sister in law has had hers for about 7 years without a problem, and it has done some work. I bought one about 5 years ago and after about 2 years the stud welding had corroded and the tank sprung a leak. It was like an ornamental fountain and soaked everything in the pumphouse. I had the tank replaced with a stainless steel one.

With water pumps in general, air is the biggest problem is air, keep it out and the pump should work fine,

We have 3 pumps on the house, one for the house, one for the waste water and one on the well. The well was an old piston pump with belt drive and I have recently replaced that with a Hatachi deep well pump, parallel jet version. I put a float valve on the house tank and it all works a treat at the moment, time will tell on that one.

Edited May 4, 2014 by sandyf

[raro]

Haven't had the air problem since. Still the pump is doing this nnnn-chuck from time to time, notably in the morning. I got me a time switch now that switches off the pump in the wee hours.

Another thing I noticed is that when you open the tap the pump is not constantly running but on/off which also causes the water flow being a bit "wavey". Not an annoyance as such, but I wonder whether this is the way it is supposed to be.

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[golf1here]

Does anyone know where I can get this pump. http://www.thaiwaterpump.com/home/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=16&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=103&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=64. in Rayong or even Pattaya ?

Edited October 7, 2014 by golf1here

[kamalabob2]

That Mitsubishi Super pump is a fine product. I bought one for my inlaws. I asked Mr. Pichai the owner of Buriram Ruangsangthai Buildes Merchants and he said that Mitsubishi would be able to tell you on the telephone the dealers in your area that are authorized to sell and service the "super pump" line. Not every Mitsubishi dealer can order that water pump. The Mitsubishi Super pump will be on display inside the Buriram Home Show next Tuesday October 14th and I plan to visit that booth after I enjoy complimentary fresh baked Pizza from Roma Pizza in Buriram. The Mitsubishi rep does speak and understand English so I can ask him the name of the dealer in your area and I'll post the answer on Thai Visa.

[golf1here]

Thanks KamalaBob! I appreciate it.

[khunjoelbc]

Hi,

Can anyone please provide me the english version owner's manual of FUJIKA FCP-250 Home Pump. This was installed last week on my new rented place but unfortunately the installer cant be contacted now. He was already padi for that labor. The problme is, when I tested it today - the motor will not stop even after all the lines are close - I waited for more than 3 minutes - then i just unplug the pump- I am afraid maybe it will burn.

I want to see the manual of there's an adjustment of the pressure switch or DIY work needed.

Many Thanks,

[bankruatsteve]

Can't help with the manual, but just to say... If you closed the water input line (or same if the tank goes dry), most pumps will keep running.

[wayned]

Can't help with the manual either but these guys can, but it's Friday so you'd better call them quick!

FUJIKA ELECTRIC (THAILAND) CO., LTD.
258 Soi Wachirathamsatit
Sukhumvit Rd. Bangna, Bangkok 10260 THAILAND
Telephone: (662) 749-5199
FAX: (662) 749-5200
Email: [email protected]

Are you getting water if one of the taps is open or is there no water at all?

[khunjoelbc]

Thanks Guys for the prompt reply,

My reply to Khun bankruatsteve - if i close the valve that goes to the underground concrete tank - the pump will stop

My reply to khun wayned - there is water - I tested opening all taps - including the shower. Then after I wait and check if the WC tank is full - then I wait again about 3 to 4 minutes - checking if the FUJIKA FCP-250 will eventually stop. But it didnt. Then back to office (Di it at luch time). I will go back tomorrow morning and test it more tan 5 mintue - maybe the cut off is just high.

If this is pressure switch adjustment only -perhaps will try to DIY (while checking the internet for the proper way). If this is a line leak - I am dead. All pipes are underground now or inside walls. One thing with this FUJIKA and all new pump/bosster motors - they dont have a built in pressure gauge. How to check if the pressure is too high during adjustment?

Hmm - I hope it will not be lesson learn ("I told you so - why not use the same brand we are using now? - and that is the mitsubishi)

I will update you guys after my DIY tomorrow or hopefully I can catch up that installer guy but it's Friday today - beerday....(not even answeringthe phone since morning:)