Violence and bloodshed won't solve problems

[Melpomene]

Do you not see the purpose of this article? It is one that calls for an end to the type of narrow minded, one sided, self destructive type of politics you are trying to promote here. It calls for reconciliation while you try to score points. I thought you might have thought more about the pictures/videos you post after that appallingly insensitive way you used the picture you posted yesterday. Seems I was wrong.

you are talking about reconcialiation with hardcore criminals? i guess its yellow sarcasm!

after bringing choas to thailand for years, you have the nerve to talk about peace?

after murdering 90 people 3 years ago and 9 this month, you just want forget it and start over like nothing did happen.

your yellow reconcialtion, you know where you can put it? put it deeply!

ps: please dont tell me what to do/ or not do, if i want to put picture and video, its my business not yours. Let people judge by themself! ...off

Well here's the thing Bender. You may well be right. However, if you are then the end game is almost certainly some kind of civil war of which I don't even want to imagine the consequences.

On the other hand of course, there is the possibillty that it is Bluespunk (despite his rather worrying moniker) who is correct to look for some form of reconciliation. Which if successful might just offer a way out of this mess without the need for further loss of life.

Seems a fairly easy decision to me...

[Yunla]

In fact, a compilation of photos of the victims or participants in political violence over the past decade alone would make very disturbing viewing, and it would surely outsell all the books that idealise the "amazing Kingdom of Thailand".

Book sales or not. In my humble opinion, this is the amazing Kingdom of Thailand, and the greatest nation on Earth, for a lot of reasons ; the people, traditional music, nature, architecture etc.

However it has some real Z-List politicians. Their actions are the ones that make the international papers. Not the actions of normal working Thais, or the magic of Ancient Siam.

[englishoak]

Yes, I fully agree, that violence will NOT solve problems.

In a honest country with a honest system of real Democracy in which politicians actually worked for the interest of the electorate and not for their own self-interest first .... such a thing might be possible

.

But in Thailand we have the following:

• Corrupt politicians of ALL political parties are the norm.
• ALL political parties exist only to serve the self-interest of themselves and their party members.
• ALL political parties are controlled by a wealthy rich capitalist clique whose main interest is to continue their control of Thai society for the benefit of that wealthy ruling clique.
• And NO real changes to that political and economic system are allowed by that ruling clique.
• Who are willing to subvert all the laws to maintain their control

Then the ONLY way to make any meaningful changes in such a system may have to be calling attention to those inequalities in the system by (unfortunately) the use of violence to change that system.

It's like children who misbehave .... you try to reason with them .... but they won't behave,

So, eventually, they have to be disciplined until they learn to behave.

In Thailand, the politicians are acting like children .... and they won't behave like adults.

They need to be disciplined.

Im sorry but do not condone the use of violence, I do however think mass civil and passive non compliance would work. Just walk away and refuse to comply. Passive resistance is an option it happened in India it can and has been proved to work. It must however be passive resistance no matter what, once you pick up the sword you play on their terms and you would lose. Again this takes time and willpower but it can be done. If change is to happen it must come from the masses but it needs an honest leader, It will not come from those that have power now it must come from those that do not.

Edited December 29, 2013 by englishoak

[ggold]

It is the politicians who take advantage of the situation to create the mayhem that they seem to think justifies their self-righteous behaviour in the name of Thailand and the good of the people. When in fact most of the lead politicians should all be put on trial for treason.

[ginjag]

There is violence in schools, at home, on the streets, on T.V. in Thai movies, do you really expect anything better? This is a violent country with violent people, they know no other way.

I disagree, society must educate and lead by good example. I have seen first hand the influence and changes one can make in the home and family, it is here it has to begin. It takes but one step and then another and another, this takes time but this is how changes are made.

Thailand must realise this before things will improve and patience must be learnt. That is the real problem here the lack of patience and willpower to see it through.

At the present time Mampara is CORRECT, so I agree with what he says.

Now what you posted I also agree, it may take a generation or two.

You are both correct to my mind.

[englishoak]

There is violence in schools, at home, on the streets, on T.V. in Thai movies, do you really expect anything better? This is a violent country with violent people, they know no other way.

I disagree, society must educate and lead by good example. I have seen first hand the influence and changes one can make in the home and family, it is here it has to begin. It takes but one step and then another and another, this takes time but this is how changes are made.

Thailand must realise this before things will improve and patience must be learnt. That is the real problem here the lack of patience and willpower to see it through.

At the present time Mampara is CORRECT, so I agree with what he says.

Now what you posted I also agree, it may take a generation or two.

You are both correct to my mind.

I should have been more clear I do expect better, heck I know the whole of Thailand expects better, the truth is as you say it will take generations and they must be made to realise that. By example, now the next question is who sets it ?

[ginjag]

There is violence in schools, at home, on the streets, on T.V. in Thai movies, do you really expect anything better? This is a violent country with violent people, they know no other way.

I disagree, society must educate and lead by good example. I have seen first hand the influence and changes one can make in the home and family, it is here it has to begin. It takes but one step and then another and another, this takes time but this is how changes are made.

Thailand must realise this before things will improve and patience must be learnt. That is the real problem here the lack of patience and willpower to see it through.

At the present time Mampara is CORRECT, so I agree with what he says.

Now what you posted I also agree, it may take a generation or two.

You are both correct to my mind.

I should have been more clear I do expect better, heck I know the whole of Thailand expects better, the truth is as you say it will take generations and they must be made to realise that. By example, now the next question is who sets it ?

Could well be the like minded people that put holy water on the highway to prevent accidents.

[brit1984]

Yes, I fully agree, that violence will NOT solve problems.

In a honest country with a honest system of real Democracy in which politicians actually worked for the interest of the electorate and not for their own self-interest first .... such a thing might be possible

.

But in Thailand we have the following:

• Corrupt politicians of ALL political parties are the norm.
• ALL political parties exist only to serve the self-interest of themselves and their party members.
• ALL political parties are controlled by a wealthy rich capitalist clique whose main interest is to continue their control of Thai society for the benefit of that wealthy ruling clique.
• And NO real changes to that political and economic system are allowed by that ruling clique.
• Who are willing to subvert all the laws to maintain their control

Then the ONLY way to make any meaningful changes in such a system may have to be calling attention to those inequalities in the system by (unfortunately) the use of violence to change that system.

It's like children who misbehave .... you try to reason with them .... but they won't behave,

So, eventually, they have to be disciplined until they learn to behave.

In Thailand, the politicians are acting like children .... and they won't behave like adults.

They need to be disciplined.

by who?... where are the adults?...

[ramrod711]

Violence and bloodshed won't solve problems

I agree completely, behead Yingluck and put a stop to all this violence.

[winstonc]

even dead, these "peaceful" yellow thugs will try to kill you a second time without pity, you can not them see sense!

here some policeman trying to prevent that one more life to be taken away...

Do you not see the purpose of this article? It is one that calls for an end to the type of narrow minded, one sided, self destructive type of politics you are trying to promote here. It calls for reconciliation while you try to score points. I thought you might have thought more about the pictures/videos you post after that appallingly insensitive way you used the picture you posted yesterday. Seems I was wrong.

you are talking about reconcialiation with hardcore criminals? i guess its yellow sarcasm!

after bringing choas to thailand for years, you have the nerve to talk about peace?

after murdering 90 people 3 years ago and 9 this month, you just want forget it and start over like nothing did happen.

your yellow reconcialtion, you know where you can put it? put it deeply!

ps: please dont tell me what to do/ or not do, if i want to put picture and video, its my business not yours. Let people judge by themself! ...off

we do judge that your a fool..just a sad troll,your posts irrelevent to this story yet you cant keep your big mouth shut...you get no attention at home still sad little girl...

[Halion]

Simply not true but typical Thai comment in highlighting what wont work. Human history is full of a myriad of situations where force and violence were the only tools available to secure freedom from corruption and tyranny. In such cases the end justifies the means.

This nation through decades of complacency, ignorance and avarice has brought this upon themselves and the established oligarchical democracy is not going relinquish their position, and privilege without a fight. Dialogue is a blunt tool in Thailand owing to the fact that whatever is said simply has zero credibility therefore if there is no way to talk reform then your only options are to accept the situation or fight.

I get very tired of hearing about the dead and injured as a result of the protest. They are a drop in the ocean compared to annual statistics of the dead and injured for road accidents and yet apart from knee jerk indignation , banal proposals nothing is done. Why should the loss of life of a protester or policeman be viewed as far more heinous that a road accident injury or death. Why because it is simple manipulation for the benefit of the corrupt and power hungry parasites who have their teeth into this nation.

[Benmart]

Interesting that some posters give positive reviews about the article, but qualify it with a negative past reference.

It seems that some readers can not give a positive comment with out refering to some past issue, oversight, eyewear (colored glasses) etc. It's much like telling a child "You've been a good boy today, but remember, you were an absolute brat yesterday".

It seems to send a mixed message and questions the sincerity of the poster IMO. If giving a compliment, I try to avoid adding a barb for good measure.

[doctorburt]

Violence nevers solves anything, I dont know the answers but hopefully all the expected trouble will not happen as everyone thinks for everyones sake

[Longtooth]

Political violence is not a Thai society prerogative, nor is it Thai culture. Political violence always is instigated by a few, not by many. The problem is how to identify, expose and isolate those few. The identification should not be too difficult.

Well, it's after midnight, and I just finished watching an old documentary on the complete Viet Nam war. I'm a Viet Nam vet from '67/'68. I probably won't get read back here at the bottom much, but I'd like to say:

We don't want any more deaths in Bangkok. We don't want to encourage violence. We don't want this political simmering to get to a boil. There is nothing a bunch of foreigners can do about it, but we don't want to "egg it on." Does believing in peace in your mind cause more peace in the cosmos? I'm just shaking my head at watching things go bad. Did the eight people who died so far have much to gain personally from their political stance? I think some were just inocently doing their job. What's happening in the world today is just too, too bad. I have no answers. I just see and read, and shake my head. Every parent of young children today says they feel sorry for the future. When I was a child my parents did not say that! They told me I would have a better life than them. I did. Now it's not the same. It's not just because I'm old and my point of view is different. Can't find a "shaking head with eyes raised and pursed lips" avatar, but you get the idea. What is a person to do? Is the best answer "nothing"? People make sacrifices for what they believe is right, but every human "right brand of whatever" will have wrong mixed in with it, because it's run by humans and has humans in it. (Can't find a shrugging with raised brow avatar either.) Goodnight.

[Thai at Heart]

Well when one sides stated aim is to take away your vote, what should be the reasonable response?

A. Let him take it?

B. Fight him for it?

[Thai at Heart]

Well when one sides stated aim is to take away your vote, what should be the reasonable response?

A. Let him take it?

B. Fight him for it?

[EricBerg]

EricBerg, on 29 Dec 2013 - 06:47, said:

Political violence is not a Thai society prerogative, nor is it Thai culture. Political violence always is instigated by a few, not by many. The problem is how to identify, expose and isolate those few. The identification should not be too difficult.

Yes, but in Thailand they identified "those few".....issued arrest warrants.....keep threatening that they will take them in.......but they are still out there causing trouble.

And that applies to both sides, Reds or Yellows.

So, yes again, "Political violence always is instigated by a few"...........but is supported by many.

These few will get what they should get. Unfortunately it does take much time. But after this group the next that does similar will get it more fast. The whole proces is very slow, will speed up some more after a while. The good people will prevail.

[123thaibourbon]

agree, excellent article & many posts worth pondering. Nation Senior author has been accused of stoking 'class war' & lese majeste of course. seems like preaching to the choir as 'anti'-democrats scoff away criticism or so it seems. back to Khun Pravits' article; the cherry atop the Oct 6th massacre was a sectarian monk condoning death to 'communists' not a sin. the anti-communist hysteria was whipped up into a shoe-in-mouth frenzy by trained joint CIA JUSMAAG agents, namely the Reddi-wip Lugseau Chowban & Krating Dang=childtiger villagers & red guars resp. fruit-filling, hyper-royalism (per Dr. Thongchai Winichakul critiques) ~last but not least the crumbly crust of old coger brand 3 Tyrants.

my concern is why so much Thai & intl media hoo-haa when a yellow-shirt is lost? the red-shirt 'poor them' 'stupid them' responses are lese magna charta. YLS made the mistake of using the 2010 military assault on red-shirts as a bargaining amnesty chip for brother T. this was not right, but not reason enough to oust her as PM as the likes of Absit & Suthep dream on... the sad fact is now the Oct 73&76, Black May '92 vigilantes are reincarnated w/vengeance because the army refuses to intervene for the moment in their favor.

with due respect for all life lost in The Kingdom over politics, let healing begin in 2014/2557. This is the 21st century, the answers(heart/jai) are still blowing in the (sea/talay) winds.

Edited December 30, 2013 by 123thaibourbon

[123thaibourbon]

agree, excellent article & many posts worth pondering. Nation Senior author has been accused of stoking 'class war' & lese majeste of course. seems like preaching to the choir as 'anti'-democrats scoff away criticism or so it seems. back to Khun Pravits' article; the cherry atop the Oct 6th massacre was a sectarian monk condoning death to 'communists' not a sin. the anti-communist hysteria was whipped up into a shoe-in-mouth frenzy by trained joint CIA JUSMAAG agents, namely the Reddi-wip Lugseau Chowban & Krating Dang=childtiger villagers & red guars resp. fruit-filling, hyper-royalism (per Dr. Thongchai Winichakul critiques) ~last but not least the crumbly crust of old codger brand 3 Tyrants.

my concern is why so much Thai & intl media hoo-haa when a yellow-shirt is lost? the red-shirt 'poor them' 'stupid them' responses are lese magna charta. YLS made the mistake of using the 2010 military assault on red-shirts as a bargaining amnesty chip for brother T. this was not right, but not reason enough to oust her as PM as the likes of Absit & Suthep dream on... the sad fact is now the Oct 73&76, Black May '92 vigilantes are reincarnated w/vengeance because the army refuses to intervene for the moment in their favor.

with due respect for all life lost in The Kingdom over politics, let healing begin in 2014/2557. This is the 21st century, the answers(heart/jai) are still blowing in the (sea/talay) winds.

[123thaibourbon]

agree, excellent article & many posts worth pondering. Nation Senior author has been accused of stoking 'class war' & lese majeste of course. seems like preaching to the choir as 'anti'-democrats scoff away criticism or so it seems. back to Khun Pravits' article; the cherry atop the Oct 6th massacre was a sectarian monk condoning death to 'communists' not a sin. the anti-communist hysteria was whipped up into a shoe-in-mouth frenzy by trained joint CIA JUSMAAG agents, namely the Reddi-wip Lugseau Chowban & Krating Dang=childtiger villagers & red guars resp. fruit-filling, hyper-royalism (per Dr. Thongchai Winichakul critiques) ~last but not least the crumbly crust of old codger brand 3 Tyrants.

my concern is why so much Thai & intl media hoo-haa when a yellow-shirt is lost? the red-shirt 'poor them' 'stupid them' responses are lese magna charta. YLS made the mistake of using the 2010 military assault on red-shirts as a bargaining amnesty chip for brother T. this was not right, but not reason enough to oust her as PM as the likes of Absit & Suthep dream on... the sad fact is now the Oct 73&76, Black May '92 vigilantes are reincarnated w/vengeance because the army refuses to intervene for the moment in their favor.

with due respect for all life lost in The Kingdom over politics, let healing begin in 2014/2557. This is the 21st century, the answers(heart/jai) are still blowing in the (sea/talay) winds.

no little birdies out there?