gerry1011 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Funny how if the whistle blowers protest again Yingluck, they are heroes. If they do against Abhisit, they are corrupt and don't have rights to do it. Funny TV posters Abhisit caught at his own whistle. I love it More should do the same. I also love what that man said: "I am not your rival, I am the people". Very true. Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post arthurboy Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 Corruption under the Pheau Thai government has indeed been extreme - to say the least. However, corruption has been endemic and thoroughly institutionalized in Thailand for decades. C level government posts have been available for the right price for years, the police continue their daily business of extorting the public and the market inspectors claim their fee from the numerous street vendors everyday - to name but a few examples. All of this exists outside of any government and its corrupt practices. It's the norm. Corruption is illegal in Thailand, full stop, the relevant laws already exist, but are rarely enforced and very few phu yai's ever found guilty, yet alone imprisoned. Over the years, the drain on the economy and the development of Thailand has been and continues to be immeasurable. So why now the sudden hand wringing interest, Khun Abhisit? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mountain Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) To me Mr. Abhisit is a real disappointment, i really liked this guy but since I know who he calls his friend(s). I have to vomit. Edited January 8, 2014 by Jack Mountain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tominbkk Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 "Security guards later surrounded the man and led him out of the room. After the heckler has been removed, Mr. Abhisit told the crowd that such harassment is a reason why the upcoming election on 2 February 2014 would not be a fair one." Yes, we can't have people voicing their opinions just before an election, or at any time under the SuDems! Haha try and heckle K. Poo at one of her PTP rallies. They would have you gutted and served up as nam tok to the peasants they bused in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 "Former Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has been heckled by a man who told the former leader to respect his rights to vote." Abihist is showing any disrespect for this guys right to vote. Did he go to this guys work place and heckle him? Did he deny the guys right to vote? If this guy was a PTP voter then is was the PTP that disrespected his vote by dissolving parliament before the end of their mandated term. No, the guy is showing disrespect for Abihist by protesting his right to not participate in an election. Think: The PTP voter goes to an meeting with Abhisit and a sign written in English.....It is of course not a guy who got angry, it is staged for the international press. That's ridiculous. Sorry - I know this guy, he's a friend of a friend. And although he's been a red sympathiser for years, it's more because he opposes the royalist conservatives than it is because he has any great love for PTP or Thaksin. And he does speak fairly fluent English - bear in mind, many Thais that don't speak English anywhere near as well as he does decide to write semi-literate signs in English. Thais like short slogans in English as well as Thai, and #respectmyvote is already becoming a meme. แก้วมาลา Kaewmala @Thai_Talk 10h As expected #RespectMyVote has gone viral. Seen many signs of the meme - from this original hand-written placard. pic.twitter.com/XIsvbALVg1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You can surely forgive people for suspecting Abhisit and the Democrats might be supporting this protest... Why wouldn't they support this protest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Emptyset Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 "Security guards later surrounded the man and led him out of the room. After the heckler has been removed, Mr. Abhisit told the crowd that such harassment is a reason why the upcoming election on 2 February 2014 would not be a fair one." Yes, we can't have people voicing their opinions just before an election, or at any time under the SuDems! Haha try and heckle K. Poo at one of her PTP rallies. They would have you gutted and served up as nam tok to the peasants they bused in. This wasn't a rally. It was a seminar. I'd suggest it'd be similarly risky to try heckling Abhisit at a Democrat seminar in the South. As for what happens when anti-government protesters heckle Yingluck, don't you remember this? http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2013/12/26/video-tomboy-blows-whistle-yingluck-awarded-golden-whistle-suthep 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DocN Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 He had a point and he made it! I am a bit surprised by the rather week return from Abisith! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You can surely forgive people for suspecting Abhisit and the Democrats might be supporting this protest... Why wouldn't they support this protest? Up to them, I'm just saying you can hardly separate the Democrats and this protest any more than you can separate PT & the red shirts. If this gig didn't have the support of the Democrat machine, they'd have as many people as Pitak Siam or PAD were achieving in recent years (20,000 at best). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DocN Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 Corruption costs the country Bt300 bn every year, claims Abhisit Hataikarn Treesuwan The Nation Suthep Thaugsuban, leader of the anti-government People The Democrat Party yesterday unveiled its anti-corruption proposal as part of its national reform blueprint. BANGKOK: -- Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said corruption is costing Thailand Bt300 billion per year, or 2 per cent of gross domestic product. With that amount of money, the country could build 30 Parliament Houses, 201 BTS stations, or 5,100 large secondary schools, he said. The party yesterday held a press conference to announce its blueprint for national reform after it decided to boycott the February 2 election and spend time considering the reform measures. Abhisit declared the anti-corruption mechanism as the first point in a seven-point national reform blueprint. He said the proposal has 20 measures. For example, laws should be amended so that corruption cases have no statute of limitations, National Anti-Corruption Commission investigations should be increased, and so too the role of the Office of the State Audit and the Auditor-General. Moreover, there should be retroactive examination of politicians' and senior government officials' tax payments. Laws should be amended to control the government's use of advertising budget, and judicial officers should be banned from sitting on state-enterprises' boards of directors, the party's proposal said. Information related to state enterprises should be transparent in the same way as listed companies. The party also proposed setting up a fund to support civil movements against corruption. While Abhisit was speaking, a man who declined to be named blew a whistle at him. "I respect my vote. Please stop creating political speeches because your party [the Democrat Party] has never won an election," the man said. Abhisit replied by saying "Thank you", before the Democrats’ supporters took the protesting man out of the room. -- The Nation 2014-01-08 Grrrrrreat! Now he starts slapping babies! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 The Protester is EXACTLY right, the Majority who voted this Governement is their votes are not being respected and again he is right when he says he is the PEOPLE For the umpteenth time - but just for you again : Which majority are you referring too? Do you mean the large minority that voted for PTP in the last election? If so, many of that minority who voted PTP may not do so again. I base this on a large group of young university educated Thais that I know, All are from Isaan, all voted for PPT. All are disgusted at the sheer corruption and lies over the last 2.5 years. All vow to never vote for a Thaksin proxy party again - and yes, they've all joined protest marches against this regime. Now they are all trying to explain to their relatives in the NE why taking the cash bribe and believing all the false promises won't deliver a government that really looks after them, Conversely, my friends in CM tell me the power of the Shins is as strong as ever and any voice against them won't be tolerated. It really is a feudal factionalised society where clan loyalty, bribery and corruption, coupled with violent intimidation when necessary, are seen as acceptable facets of democracy. Not a surprise given the complete lack of legal integrity that permeates all levels. And we have posters on here saying "this government was democratically elected " (many also usually falsely claim by a majority) and then compare this phenomena with Western Democracy. Apples and Oranges. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jawnie Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 "Former Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has been heckled by a man who told the former leader to respect his rights to vote." Abihist is showing any disrespect for this guys right to vote. Did he go to this guys work place and heckle him? Did he deny the guys right to vote? If this guy was a PTP voter then is was the PTP that disrespected his vote by dissolving parliament before the end of their mandated term. No, the guy is showing disrespect for Abihist by protesting his right to not participate in an election. Apparently there's a need to state the obvious: heckling like this is a form of political protest used around the world and it goes with the territory for politicians. But, again, this is another case of TVF posters from western democracies who, once in Thailand, become completely untethered from the democratic ideals of equality and justice in society. Hypocrites all! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DiamondKing Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 The Protester is EXACTLY right, the Majority who voted this Governement is their votes are not being respected and again he is right when he says he is the PEOPLE For the umpteenth time - but just for you again : Which majority are you referring too? Do you mean the large minority that voted for PTP in the last election? If so, many of that minority who voted PTP may not do so again. I base this on a large group of young university educated Thais that I know, All are from Isaan, all voted for PPT. All are disgusted at the sheer corruption and lies over the last 2.5 years. All vow to never vote for a Thaksin proxy party again - and yes, they've all joined protest marches against this regime. Now they are all trying to explain to their relatives in the NE why taking the cash bribe and believing all the false promises won't deliver a government that really looks after them, Conversely, my friends in CM tell me the power of the Shins is as strong as ever and any voice against them won't be tolerated. It really is a feudal factionalised society where clan loyalty, bribery and corruption, coupled with violent intimidation when necessary, are seen as acceptable facets of democracy. Not a surprise given the complete lack of legal integrity that permeates all levels. And we have posters on here saying "this government was democratically elected " (many also usually falsely claim by a majority) and then compare this phenomena with Western Democracy. Apples and Oranges. If all that you spew is true what dont they just go to the election and vote then just like Yingluck, said Vote her out ?? If there is overwhelming majority support against the TS clan I really dont understand why they dont WELCOME THE ELECTIONS on the 2nd of Feb But the truth is very different isnt it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wave Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 He had a point and he made it! I am a bit surprised by the rather week return from Abisith! I am also surprised at Abhisits response to the protester "This is an example of reasons why we need reforms," Mr. Abhisit told the audience, "This is the form of Democrat Party′s rivals" It's a rather chilling statement. Surely he cant mean that reforms are required to stop dissenting voices because that is certainly how it comes across. He appears happy to join protests against the government but when someone protests against him he claims this is an example of why reforms are needed. WOW REALLY WOW 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You can surely forgive people for suspecting Abhisit and the Democrats might be supporting this protest... Why wouldn't they support this protest? Up to them, I'm just saying you can hardly separate the Democrats and this protest any more than you can separate PT & the red shirts. If this gig didn't have the support of the Democrat machine, they'd have as many people as Pitak Siam or PAD were achieving in recent years (20,000 at best). I imagine that the Dems support the protests in that they are foolishly following the doctrine of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" but this current series of protests is suthep's creation. He is no friend to any party in Thailand. He is fascist with his own agenda. PT and the red shirts are intrinsically entwined at present. This may change as their are factions within the reds who are seeing the reality and corruption that lies behind PT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 "Former Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has been heckled by a man who told the former leader to respect his rights to vote." Abihist is showing any disrespect for this guys right to vote. Did he go to this guys work place and heckle him? Did he deny the guys right to vote? If this guy was a PTP voter then is was the PTP that disrespected his vote by dissolving parliament before the end of their mandated term. No, the guy is showing disrespect for Abihist by protesting his right to not participate in an election. Think: The PTP voter goes to an meeting with Abhisit and a sign written in English.....It is of course not a guy who got angry, it is staged for the international press. That's ridiculous. Sorry - I know this guy, he's a friend of a friend. And although he's been a red sympathiser for years, it's more because he opposes the royalist conservatives than it is because he has any great love for PTP or Thaksin. And he does speak fairly fluent English - bear in mind, many Thais that don't speak English anywhere near as well as he does decide to write semi-literate signs in English. Thais like short slogans in English as well as Thai, and #respectmyvote is already becoming a meme. แก้วมาลา Kaewmala @Thai_Talk 10h As expected #RespectMyVote has gone viral. Seen many signs of the meme - from this original hand-written placard. pic.twitter.com/XIsvbALVg1 I respect the guys rights to protest but this was a purely a political election stunt, designed to draw attention away from the PTP and Yingluck, who after all dissolved parliament. If this guy wanted a gold whistle he should have targeted Suthep, after all that's who he is really protesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bkksteviejai Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 Corruption costs the country Bt300 bn every year, claims Abhisit Hataikarn Treesuwan The Nation Suthep Thaugsuban, leader of the anti-government People The Democrat Party yesterday unveiled its anti-corruption proposal as part of its national reform blueprint. BANGKOK: -- Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said corruption is costing Thailand Bt300 billion per year, or 2 per cent of gross domestic product. With that amount of money, the country could build 30 Parliament Houses, 201 BTS stations, or 5,100 large secondary schools, he said. The party yesterday held a press conference to announce its blueprint for national reform after it decided to boycott the February 2 election and spend time considering the reform measures. Abhisit declared the anti-corruption mechanism as the first point in a seven-point national reform blueprint. He said the proposal has 20 measures. For example, laws should be amended so that corruption cases have no statute of limitations, National Anti-Corruption Commission investigations should be increased, and so too the role of the Office of the State Audit and the Auditor-General. Moreover, there should be retroactive examination of politicians' and senior government officials' tax payments. Laws should be amended to control the government's use of advertising budget, and judicial officers should be banned from sitting on state-enterprises' boards of directors, the party's proposal said. Information related to state enterprises should be transparent in the same way as listed companies. The party also proposed setting up a fund to support civil movements against corruption. While Abhisit was speaking, a man who declined to be named blew a whistle at him. "I respect my vote. Please stop creating political speeches because your party [the Democrat Party] has never won an election," the man said. Abhisit replied by saying "Thank you", before the Democrats’ supporters took the protesting man out of the room. -- The Nation 2014-01-08 "Khun Suthep caught slapping baby!" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieinthailand Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Spot ON... Resect my vote... Mark, has pulled the Dem's out of the election for one reason only, can't win so try to claim the election result will lack illegitimacy. Who knows maybe this guy want to vote dem's but now can't? or maybe he want's to vote PTP but knows the result will be disputed as illegitimate so again his vote not respected. But hey the only thing Suthep respects in falangs, eerrr nop', democracy, err umm no'p again aahh yes I know HIS BANK ACCOUNT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Great stuff about corruption, great that democrats want to do something about it and want to remove the statue of limitations of corruption. The PTP seems to want to have a big amnesty and make 25.000 cases of corruption go away. That sends a clear message doesn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkksteviejai Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 He had a point and he made it! I am a bit surprised by the rather week return from Abisith! I am also surprised at Abhisits response to the protester "This is an example of reasons why we need reforms," Mr. Abhisit told the audience, "This is the form of Democrat Party′s rivals" It's a rather chilling statement. Surely he cant mean that reforms are required to stop dissenting voices because that is certainly how it comes across. He appears happy to join protests against the government but when someone protests against him he claims this is an example of why reforms are needed. WOW REALLY WOW I agree, I would of expected a more "statesman" like response rather than "well look, these are the kinds of idiots we are (dems) up against"....even if it were true, it's just plain stupid. Come on Mark, you can do better than that surely. I quite liked him when he was in the hot seat and personally thought he did his best handling the rathchaprasong nonsense, sadly he's getting dragged down to a place he might find it hard to get out of. As a politician it seems social media can be your best buddy..........or kick you in the goolies just as easily!. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikeybkk Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You don't need 20 measures to end corruption in Thailand. You just need one. Require all politicians, senior public officials and generals to open their personal finances to public scrutiny. Then we can see who's living far beyond the means of their salary. now that is a lovely thought, but that is required already for politicians. They just open companys and accounts in other peoples names or shift funds through companies for offshore investment never to return, many ways to hide it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiready Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The pic says it all " Suthep the ANTI GOVERNMENT LEADER" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirit47 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Quotes from the previous article....did the "Nation" miss something...again? "If you cannot even reform yourself, how can you reform the country?". Mr. Abhisit was visibly surprised by the incident, but the former leader tried to manage the confrontation by thanking the man for his remarks. "When you were the government, why didn′t you do it? Stop the discourse about anti-corruption. You have intimidated other people, so can they not intimidate you as well?". "I am not your rival, I am the people!". The 74% of Thais that agree with corruption, if they could participate. But this game have only a few winners. The dark side... What about the other 26%? Corruption is not a peccadillo, its like cancer, and the 26% have a right to fight against it. So now is a chance to work it out, and millions of Thais want a clean Government. We will see, if the democrats able to heal themself. For the future elections, after reform, I hope the voters have a choose between more honest politicans and parties. But it not working, when parties can not appear in the whole country without violence. Its an opportunity for the North and the South to work together in a peaceful manner, without Taksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pantareiyingluck Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 If Suthep and his loonies get their way you won't have a vote. It is remarkable but good that the general opinion on TVF is changing from relatively Pro-Suthep and against the "Thaksin-Maffia" (Maffia = a secret, organised world of crime.....) to now more realistic posts and views. Yingluck tries to keep the peace and invited all parties at the negotiation table. But they declined. Abhisit keeps talking about rivals (read; fellow citizens.....), regime (as if every Thai is being repressed....), democratic reform (yes, we saw him doing that in 2007 - 2011 ). The King asks for Unity. The Army is fueling its equipment. Suthep and his clowns are the destructors of this florishing country. Motive; jealousy and power-greed. After the Thaksin era they will invent other conflicts, it is in their minds. Deep respect for the whistle-blower since he is fully RIGHT!! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Suthep Thaugsuban, leader of the anti-government People The women in the blue kerchief at the bottom of the pic appears to be going above and beyond the call of duty for the great kamnam cos it looks like she's giving Uncle Suthep a J Arthur. Which might explain his pained expression as he's possibly reaching the vinegar strokes. Although it's good to see there's a party vibe amid all the rhetoric as the finalists for the " People's Revolution 5th, 6th Or Whatever D-Day It Is Fancy Dress Competition" are behind him. Let's have a big hand folks for the Thai Terminator and cowboy from The Village People. Edited January 8, 2014 by mca 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Suthep Thaugsuban, leader of the anti-government People The women in the blue kerchief at the bottom of the pic appears to be going above and beyond the call of duty in the "Peoples Revolution" cos it looks like she's giving Uncle Suthep a J Arthur. Which might explain his pained expressions as he's possibly reaching the vinegar strokes. 8 out of 10 for baby slapping contest? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 "Former Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has been heckled by a man who told the former leader to respect his rights to vote." Abihist is showing any disrespect for this guys right to vote. Did he go to this guys work place and heckle him? Did he deny the guys right to vote? If this guy was a PTP voter then is was the PTP that disrespected his vote by dissolving parliament before the end of their mandated term. No, the guy is showing disrespect for Abihist by protesting his right to not participate in an election. Think: The PTP voter goes to an meeting with Abhisit and a sign written in English.....It is of course not a guy who got angry, it is staged for the international press. That's ridiculous. Sorry - I know this guy, he's a friend of a friend. And although he's been a red sympathiser for years, it's more because he opposes the royalist conservatives than it is because he has any great love for PTP or Thaksin. And he does speak fairly fluent English - bear in mind, many Thais that don't speak English anywhere near as well as he does decide to write semi-literate signs in English. Thais like short slogans in English as well as Thai, and #respectmyvote is already becoming a meme. แก้วมาลา Kaewmala @Thai_Talk 10h As expected #RespectMyVote has gone viral. Seen many signs of the meme - from this original hand-written placard. pic.twitter.com/XIsvbALVg1 I respect the guys rights to protest but this was a purely a political election stunt, designed to draw attention away from the PTP and Yingluck, who after all dissolved parliament. If this guy wanted a gold whistle he should have targeted Suthep, after all that's who he is really protesting. It's much easier and less risky to get into a Democrat seminar than it is to get near Suthep at the moment. Anyway, you may see it that way, but I doubt Ake thought he was helping draw attention away from PTP and Yingluck. That would mean he was asked to do it by someone in PT, which if you know him, is unlikely. He's exactly the sort of person who would do something like this. Of course in a way, it was a political stunt but so is blowing a whistle at Yingluck isn't it? Especially if you know the cameras will be around. No doubt he meant what he said, but it was also intended to create an effect, like the social media meme that #respectmyvote has become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sing_Sling Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 "Former Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has been heckled by a man who told the former leader to respect his rights to vote." Abihist is showing any disrespect for this guys right to vote. Did he go to this guys work place and heckle him? Did he deny the guys right to vote? If this guy was a PTP voter then is was the PTP that disrespected his vote by dissolving parliament before the end of their mandated term. No, the guy is showing disrespect for Abihist by protesting his right to not participate in an election. Did you read your post after you hit the 'POST' button? "Security guards later surrounded the man and led him out of the room. After the heckler has been removed, Mr. Abhisit told the crowd that such harassment is a reason why the upcoming election on 2 February 2014 would not be a fair one." Yes, we can't have people voicing their opinions just before an election, or at any time under the SuDems! Quite a pathetic act on Abisith's behalf, I would have expected better Funny how if the whistle blowers protest again Yingluck, they are heroes. If they do against Abhisit, they are corrupt and don't have rights to do it. Funny TV posters Double standards among those who feel impotent because they can't vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kamahele Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 I don't see where the heckler was wrong. What did the Dems do to stop corruption when they were in office? Also, while not leading the protests trying to overthrow and elected government, the Dems are not speaking out against it. And how would an election on Feb 2 be unfair to the Dems??? Knowing you are going to lose, doesn't mean the election will be unfair. Let me say I am not supporting the current government in the least, just the premise of a government for and by the people. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post geriatrickid Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 You don't need 20 measures to end corruption in Thailand. You just need one. Require all politicians, senior public officials and generals to open their personal finances to public scrutiny. Then we can see who's living far beyond the means of their salary. Fair enough. Question: Why didn't Abhisit and his Democrats do this when they were in power? Question: Why was one of the most powerful men in the Democrat party, Khun Suthep made Deputy PM when Khun Suthep had a questionable record? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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