PM to be investigated on rice deal and impeachment bid

[northernjohn]

Makes me laugh!! Everyday someone somewhere is being investigated for something!

The worst part of it is they are never found guilty if they are a PTP or red shirt.

I suppose it does keep some of the kids of the streets and adds immense amounts of money to some lawyers fortunes. Maybe even a little to the investigators.

[HOOD Robin]

This is the third 'Probing' and 'Mulling' i've read about in the last few days. Talk, talk, talk and no action; when will they get their arse in gear and actually DO something other than talk ?

they said... he said... she said... they said... he said... she said... they said... he said... she said... they said... he said... she said...

[kingstonkid]

I have a question for the "red" faction here.

We all I think can agree that the PTP leadership has done numerous things that are not to the benefit of Thailand but will be found to be to the benefit of themselves.

Why does the UDD leadership support them. If they re for the people why do they not open up and start running their own candidates. Personally I think that a northern party and a southern party working together would be a good thing.

At this stage the people of BKK have no real idea what it is like to be a farmer and the farmers have no real idea what it is like to live in BKK.

[mikemac]

Khun Vicha's political views are not exactly secret, given his involvement in and comments about the drafting of the 2007 constitution: "...elections are evil" (wilkipedia piece). Very transparent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Constitution_of_Thailand

Pathetic response, as usual. Nothing to say about Yingluck being investigated, or did you miss this bit ?...................

"PM to be investigated on rice deal and impeachment bid".........................

Edited January 29, 2014 by mikemac

[Thaddeus]

I have a question for the "red" faction here.

We all I think can agree that the PTP leadership has done numerous things that are not to the benefit of Thailand but will be found to be to the benefit of themselves.

Why does the UDD leadership support them. If they re for the people why do they not open up and start running their own candidates. Personally I think that a northern party and a southern party working together would be a good thing.

At this stage the people of BKK have no real idea what it is like to be a farmer and the farmers have no real idea what it is like to live in BKK.

The benefit of sharing toys is not a natural instinct in children, it has to be taught..... and here it isn't on the curriculum.

Mine, mine, mine, permeates through all levels of Thai society and spreads beyond the borders, the temple case with Cambodia being a prime example.

[fab4]

Makes me laugh!! Everyday someone somewhere is being investigated for something!

The worst part of it is they are never found guilty if they are a PTP or red shirt.

I suppose it does keep some of the kids of the streets and adds immense amounts of money to some lawyers fortunes. Maybe even a little to the investigators.

I'll ignore your blanket assumption about all red shirt supporters being "never found guilty" (you might have at least done a little research before posting) and concentrate on the PTP MP's and those Red Shirt Leaders. Strangely enough you will find that some members of this grouping have indeed been found guilty. The fact that others haven't, surely could be seen as either they have not broken any laws or have been found not guilty of breaking laws, comprende?

Korkaew Pikulthong, Jatuporn Prompan, Boonsong Teriyapirom have all been found guilty by the courts (Boonsong by the NACC so that probably doesn't count for much considering their political slant) so that makes a bit of a hole in your theory that the Reds and the PTP "get away with it", don't you think. That wasn't a rhetorical question.

Now if you were to direct your attention to the democrat party or, especially 80 odd members of PAD and their leaders, then you may be a tad nearer your accusation.

You are right in one thing though, it does indeed add immense amounts of money to the Lawyers who are surely already well recompensed by abhisit and his party's seemingly endless lawsuits.

They should try participating in elections to win the right to form a government...................................

.......................................just a thought

Edited January 29, 2014 by fab4

[AleG]

IMO, if PM Yingluck is ousted or not taking part in the GE because of internal forces, PTP will lose votes. If it is external forces, then, PTP will gain more.

My opinion and that of many is that it will work to the advantage of PM Yingluck if she is impeached and leave politic for five years. She can form her own party after five year and in direct competition with PTP. She represents the new style of leadership in politics. Voters, especially the younger ones will vote her because many see her not because of her being politically persecuted, but that she is compassionate, patience, not easily provoke, not arrogant and not confrontational. Above all, many see her as visionary. The disruptive politics of Thailand is blurring Thai societies of her long term views for Thailand and had disrupted the peace, progress, and prosperity of Thailand.

You can say she is not a good politician, but that does not matter, because she does not play political game. It is important that she is a real leader and she can use her leadership style in political arena.

My only criticism on her is that while it is commendable to have compassion, it is not necessary to the extend of being taken for granted and advantaged by people whose aim is to destroy. There come a time rule of law must apply swiftly and forcibly and talk about leniency later.

Wow, do you honestly believe all that... that... ? I'm at a loss for words.

Yingluck's leadership, creating her own political party in competition with PTP Too funny!

[Dogmatix]

I hope Poo will be tried for causing the deaths of the farmers who are committing suicide due to her corrupt scheme.

[Dogmatix]

IMO, if PM Yingluck is ousted or not taking part in the GE because of internal forces, PTP will lose votes. If it is external forces, then, PTP will gain more.

My opinion and that of many is that it will work to the advantage of PM Yingluck if she is impeached and leave politic for five years. She can form her own party after five year and in direct competition with PTP. She represents the new style of leadership in politics. Voters, especially the younger ones will vote her because many see her not because of her being politically persecuted, but that she is compassionate, patience, not easily provoke, not arrogant and not confrontational. Above all, many see her as visionary. The disruptive politics of Thailand is blurring Thai societies of her long term views for Thailand and had disrupted the peace, progress, and prosperity of Thailand.

You can say she is not a good politician, but that does not matter, because she does not play political game. It is important that she is a real leader and she can use her leadership style in political arena.

My only criticism on her is that while it is commendable to have compassion, it is not necessary to the extend of being taken for granted and advantaged by people whose aim is to destroy. There come a time rule of law must apply swiftly and forcibly and talk about leniency later.

I'm hoping that she will be sentenced top a prison term of at least 5 years, making her ineligible for public office - not that you can run from some extradition haven.

One of the important reforms needed is to eliminate the statute of limitations for corruption. These dirtbags should also not be allowed bail or Thai passports after fleeing the country. I am sure Poo would be of great interest to the toms at Lard Yao prison.

Edited January 29, 2014 by Dogmatix

[scorecard]

IMO, if PM Yingluck is ousted or not taking part in the GE because of internal forces, PTP will lose votes. If it is external forces, then, PTP will gain more.

My opinion and that of many is that it will work to the advantage of PM Yingluck if she is impeached and leave politic for five years. She can form her own party after five year and in direct competition with PTP. She represents the new style of leadership in politics. Voters, especially the younger ones will vote her because many see her not because of her being politically persecuted, but that she is compassionate, patience, not easily provoke, not arrogant and not confrontational. Above all, many see her as visionary. The disruptive politics of Thailand is blurring Thai societies of her long term views for Thailand and had disrupted the peace, progress, and prosperity of Thailand.

You can say she is not a good politician, but that does not matter, because she does not play political game. It is important that she is a real leader and she can use her leadership style in political arena.

My only criticism on her is that while it is commendable to have compassion, it is not necessary to the extend of being taken for granted and advantaged by people whose aim is to destroy. There come a time rule of law must apply swiftly and forcibly and talk about leniency later.

I'm hoping that she will be sentenced top a prison term of at least 5 years, making her ineligible for public office - not that you can run from some extradition haven.

One of the important reforms needed is to eliminate the statute of limitations for corruption. These dirtbags should also not be allowed bail or Thai passports after fleeing the country.

Agree on your comments re corruption. I would add that the law be reformed so that for corruption cases where the accused refuses to return to Thailand, the accused is given say a further 60 days to return but then the case proceeds anyway until end.

In these circumstances (accused refuses to return to Thailand) should the accused not be allowed an opportunity to defend themselves at all? Or should the accused be allowed say 30 / 60 days to have another person, acceptable to the court, present a defense. This aspect needs further discussion.

[Dogmatix]

I have heard there are some senior Commerce Ministry officials amongst the 15 already listed for indictment who are frantically negotiating to have charges dropped or lessened. A good chance that some will sing to save their own hides. There is already firm evidence on the fake exports of rice to the two Chinese firms. Rice was sold domestically below even the Thai market price. Executives from the Chinese firms must also be squirming. The authorities there have a preference for the 9 milimetre handshake for corrupt officials who have run out of connections - no bail or passports hand delivered overseas by the foreign minister.

[diehard60]

Now i have a question. I thought you could not impeach someone that was only acting as a caretaker? I though you could only impeach the PM.

[Dogmatix]

IMO, if PM Yingluck is ousted or not taking part in the GE because of internal forces, PTP will lose votes. If it is external forces, then, PTP will gain more.

My opinion and that of many is that it will work to the advantage of PM Yingluck if she is impeached and leave politic for five years. She can form her own party after five year and in direct competition with PTP. She represents the new style of leadership in politics. Voters, especially the younger ones will vote her because many see her not because of her being politically persecuted, but that she is compassionate, patience, not easily provoke, not arrogant and not confrontational. Above all, many see her as visionary. The disruptive politics of Thailand is blurring Thai societies of her long term views for Thailand and had disrupted the peace, progress, and prosperity of Thailand.

You can say she is not a good politician, but that does not matter, because she does not play political game. It is important that she is a real leader and she can use her leadership style in political arena.

My only criticism on her is that while it is commendable to have compassion, it is not necessary to the extend of being taken for granted and advantaged by people whose aim is to destroy. There come a time rule of law must apply swiftly and forcibly and talk about leniency later.

I'm hoping that she will be sentenced top a prison term of at least 5 years, making her ineligible for public office - not that you can run from some extradition haven.

One of the important reforms needed is to eliminate the statute of limitations for corruption. These dirtbags should also not be allowed bail or Thai passports after fleeing the country.

Agree on your comments re corruption. I would add that the law be reformed so that for corruption cases where the accused refuses to return to Thailand, the accused is given say a further 60 days to return but then the case proceeds anyway until end.

In these circumstances (accused refuses to return to Thailand) should the accused not be allowed an opportunity to defend themselves at all? Or should the accused be allowed say 30 / 60 days to have another person, acceptable to the court, present a defense. This aspect needs further discussion.

I agree absolutely. For criminal cases the law requires that the accused is present in court to hear and acknowledge the charges against him. Thereafter, the trial can proceed in absentia, if he fails to show up. So it is just a technicality. If they fail to show up after 30/60 days the charge should published in various media and deemed to have been heard and acknowledged by the defendant.

Actually I don't understand why there should be a statute of limitations at all. If there is still usable evidence for any serious crime, a case should be brought. Remember Ekkachai the Thaksin opponent who was murdered. He swindled many people in Thailand in a pyramid scheme and was able to come back 16 or 20 years later scot free.

[Robby nz]

[Trembly]

"My opinion and that of many is that it will work to the advantage of PM Yingluck if she is impeached and leave politic for five years.

Isn't this what is the biggest problem in this country, that they can get banned for 5 years only, and then return repeating the same offences ?

They don't really mind the 5 year bans. Just look at Newin; he built up a football club and became even richer during his 5 year holiday than he was while active as a politician.

What they're all scared of is a conviction. As the law stands, any conviction no matter how small will finish their (official) political careers for ever.

Edited January 29, 2014 by Trembly

[zydeco]

He said the NACC has asked for facts from 16 government agencies but some of them refused to supply information concerning the case, claiming that documents were damaged and lost during severe floods.

How terribly convenient. Do I believe this for even a single millisecond ? NOPE ! Sadly they will face obfuscation at every turn in this investigation, same as in the issuing a diplomatic passport to a convicted fugitive on the run case. The innocent have no need of obfuscation.....

The dog ate my homework defense.

[blaze]

I have such a feeling that there are actually not many government agencies that support the Shinawatras.

uh- duhhh...no shit?

Go investigate how those agencies (appointed, not governenment) have been staffed since 2007

[blaze]

They don't really mind the 5 year bans. Just look at Newin; he built up a football club and became even richer during his 5 year holiday than he was while active as a politician.

What they're all scared of is a conviction. As the law stands, any conviction no matter how small will finish their (official) political careers for ever.

Edited January 29, 2014 by blaze

[samuidave]

Khun Vicha's political views are not exactly secret, given his involvement in and comments about the drafting of the 2007 constitution: "...elections are evil" (wilkipedia piece). Very transparent.

Interesting to read the comment Mr Vicha Mahakhun:

The CDC announced that future prime ministers and Cabinet members should be barred from running the country in a caretaker capacity after the dissolution of the House of Representatives. An interim administration, under a person not formally titled prime minister to avoid legal confusion, will be selected by the Supreme Court, Supreme Administrative Court and Constitution Tribunal. In justifying the move, Vicha Mahakun, one CDC drafter, noted that politicians were like "hungry tigers, so are we really going to allow them to stay on [after House dissolution]?

Very much a "we are all good, you are all bad" kind of world view.

As for Mr Prasart Pongsivapai, I can't find anything interesting on him. Dragged along for some cred perhaps? Don't know.

You prefer the alternative, where the political party and politicians who come under investigation remain in the drivers seat to sort it all out? Typical cop lover, no doubt. Everywhere I know cops investigate themselves. Lmao.

[samuidave]

This is an investigation whose time has come. There is absolutely no way that an impartial investigation can produce anything other that the dissolution of this administration. It is rife with scandal. From the non-existent China rice deal to the unconscionable plundering of the banks to feed an alarming addiction to graft, the Yingluck administration has shown no shame, and an utter and remarkably consistent disregard for ethics implicit or explicit.

So it's ok for a former judge, on the record suggesting that judges should determine who to APPOINT as senators, leading an investigation into democratic process...and being impartial. I don't think so....

YOU are hilarious. You have ZERO ability to weigh the proportional harm, whether it's between Suthep and Thaksin, the court deciding a caretaker government or the politicians team under review. You are the laughing stock of the board and do t even know it. Good grief!

[JesseFrank]

"My opinion and that of many is that it will work to the advantage of PM Yingluck if she is impeached and leave politic for five years.

Isn't this what is the biggest problem in this country, that they can get banned for 5 years only, and then return repeating the same offences ?

They don't really mind the 5 year bans. Just look at Newin; he built up a football club and became even richer during his 5 year holiday than he was while active as a politician.

What they're all scared of is a conviction. As the law stands, any conviction no matter how small will finish their (official) political careers for ever.

That is exactly my point. A politician banned for corruption or whatever serious reason, well you don't get banned for peanuts anyway, should at the same time be convicted for it.

If I, as a non politician, get caught for such offense I also get convicted .

[robblok]

Khun Vicha's political views are not exactly secret, given his involvement in and comments about the drafting of the 2007 constitution: "...elections are evil" (wilkipedia piece). Very transparent.

Interesting to read the comment Mr Vicha Mahakhun:

The CDC announced that future prime ministers and Cabinet members should be barred from running the country in a caretaker capacity after the dissolution of the House of Representatives. An interim administration, under a person not formally titled prime minister to avoid legal confusion, will be selected by the Supreme Court, Supreme Administrative Court and Constitution Tribunal. In justifying the move, Vicha Mahakun, one CDC drafter, noted that politicians were like "hungry tigers, so are we really going to allow them to stay on [after House dissolution]?

Very much a "we are all good, you are all bad" kind of world view.

As for Mr Prasart Pongsivapai, I can't find anything interesting on him. Dragged along for some cred perhaps? Don't know.

You prefer the alternative, where the political party and politicians who come under investigation remain in the drivers seat to sort it all out? Typical cop lover, no doubt. Everywhere I know cops investigate themselves. Lmao.

Of course they should be barred that would happen in any real democracy. People under investigation will stay away or are on leave until the investigation is done. Else they can influence the outcome, and use their power to get off. Seems logical but the reds don't like these things as its fair and will partly ensure an good investigation. (still their friends are in power so influence is still there)

Pretending to be a democracy does not mean you are one if you don't even play by the normal rules.

[robblok]

One of the important reforms needed is to eliminate the statute of limitations for corruption. These dirtbags should also not be allowed bail or Thai passports after fleeing the country.

Agree on your comments re corruption. I would add that the law be reformed so that for corruption cases where the accused refuses to return to Thailand, the accused is given say a further 60 days to return but then the case proceeds anyway until end.

In these circumstances (accused refuses to return to Thailand) should the accused not be allowed an opportunity to defend themselves at all? Or should the accused be allowed say 30 / 60 days to have another person, acceptable to the court, present a defense. This aspect needs further discussion.

I agree absolutely. For criminal cases the law requires that the accused is present in court to hear and acknowledge the charges against him. Thereafter, the trial can proceed in absentia, if he fails to show up. So it is just a technicality. If they fail to show up after 30/60 days the charge should published in various media and deemed to have been heard and acknowledged by the defendant.

Actually I don't understand why there should be a statute of limitations at all. If there is still usable evidence for any serious crime, a case should be brought. Remember Ekkachai the Thaksin opponent who was murdered. He swindled many people in Thailand in a pyramid scheme and was able to come back 16 or 20 years later scot free.

That is the whole point.. isnt it strange that only anti government people here come up with ideas that combat corruption and are actually sound. It is as if the red supporters accept corruption and don't care as long as their party is in power.

I would support investigations of ALL corrupt officials not only red as that is the only way forward. To combat corruption not ignore it.

Also... there should be no immunity when in parliament for corruption charges, this is one of the reasons they want to be back in government so they can be immune and not face the trials.

The red mantra its political motivated .. that is such a lame excuse.. corruption is evil and should be punished. Its like saying don't prosecute this rapist as he is PTP and therefor any case against him is politically motivated. Just go after corrupt democrats or people of Newins party as revenge. I would only applaud this if more corrupt people are brought to justice.

Its a fundamental different way of thinking then the reds.. I am against corruption. They see everything that threatens their government as politically motivated however vile it was. They rather have nobody gets punished, while I prefer everyone gets punished for stuff like corruption.

[Trembly]

"My opinion and that of many is that it will work to the advantage of PM Yingluck if she is impeached and leave politic for five years.

Isn't this what is the biggest problem in this country, that they can get banned for 5 years only, and then return repeating the same offences ?

They don't really mind the 5 year bans. Just look at Newin; he built up a football club and became even richer during his 5 year holiday than he was while active as a politician.

What they're all scared of is a conviction. As the law stands, any conviction no matter how small will finish their (official) political careers for ever.

That is exactly my point. A politician banned for corruption or whatever serious reason, well you don't get banned for peanuts anyway, should at the same time be convicted for it.

If I, as a non politician, get caught for such offense I also get convicted .

I agree.

But they don't make it easy for people to convict them. You think no one knows or smells anything? I'd guesstimate that at least 90% of the corruption cases that have ever made the news would actually be open and shut cases with just a normal investigation and a normal court case, what with the mountain of evidence all pointing towards the culprit of the day. It's a joke.

Prosecutors and regulatory bodies can only pin chicken shit charges on them (and that's when they're being brave) because, as usual, nobody didn't see nothing. Witnesses are squeezed, bought, killed and both the government of the day and the opposition have all been at it, so they know better than to go dragging skeletons out of each other's closets.

To those who have only recently gotten to know Thailand it may look like they're starting to pry open the closets now, but believe me, they haven't even glanced at them.

Edited January 29, 2014 by Trembly

[englishoak]

Khun Vicha's political views are not exactly secret, given his involvement in and comments about the drafting of the 2007 constitution: "...elections are evil" (wilkipedia piece). Very transparent.

Interesting to read the comment Mr Vicha Mahakhun:

The CDC announced that future prime ministers and Cabinet members should be barred from running the country in a caretaker capacity after the dissolution of the House of Representatives. An interim administration, under a person not formally titled prime minister to avoid legal confusion, will be selected by the Supreme Court, Supreme Administrative Court and Constitution Tribunal. In justifying the move, Vicha Mahakun, one CDC drafter, noted that politicians were like "hungry tigers, so are we really going to allow them to stay on [after House dissolution]?

Very much a "we are all good, you are all bad" kind of world view.

As for Mr Prasart Pongsivapai, I can't find anything interesting on him. Dragged along for some cred perhaps? Don't know.

You prefer the alternative, where the political party and politicians who come under investigation remain in the drivers seat to sort it all out? Typical cop lover, no doubt. Everywhere I know cops investigate themselves. Lmao.

Seeing as there is no such thing as an independent body here and everyone is either bought n paid for or intimidated on BOTH sides its all pretty much balanced, leave the voters to vote and the judicial system out of the political arena, sadly Vicha has very particular views and isnt afraid to use the influence where possible...

As for your comments about cops there are good and bad people in all walks of life and jobs, Ive known some bad cops but i know plenty more good ones... bit like people in general really, how surprising

Hard job, low pay, expected to deal with the scum most of the time and get little thanks, granted the RTP arnt the best advertisement for a force but in this place they are just another example of what the country in general throws up. ie Its rotton to the core from the amart right down to street level.

[robblok]

That is exactly my point. A politician banned for corruption or whatever serious reason, well you don't get banned for peanuts anyway, should at the same time be convicted for it.

If I, as a non politician, get caught for such offense I also get convicted .

I agree.

But they don't make it easy for people to convict them. You think no one knows or smells anything? I'd guesstimate that at least 90% of the corruption cases that have ever made the news would actually be open and shut cases with just a normal investigation and a normal court case, what with the mountain of evidence all pointing towards the culprit of the day. It's a joke.

Prosecutors and regulatory bodies can only pin chicken shit charges on them (and that's when they're being brave) because, as usual, nobody didn't see nothing. Witnesses are squeezed, bought, killed and both the government of the day and the opposition have all been at it, so they know better than to go dragging skeletons out of each other's closets.

To those who have only recently gotten to know Thailand it may look like they're starting to pry open the closets now, but believe me, they haven't even glanced at them.

That is the whole point and why i find this a good development. Please let them really turn on each-other rat each-other out and by doing so clean up Thailand. Let democrat heads roll for corruption and red heads too YL among them.

Once they start giving up people let the carnage begin.. preferably with forced restitution of stolen funds. Like what they did to Taskin.

[JRSoul]

That is exactly my point. A politician banned for corruption or whatever serious reason, well you don't get banned for peanuts anyway, should at the same time be convicted for it.

If I, as a non politician, get caught for such offense I also get convicted .

There is a very old and completely self-serving argument that the loss of face, dishonour, what have you, that "high class" people receive is punishment in itself, so jail time is unnecessary. You, of course, being a lower specimen of humanity don't experience the same loss, so jail time is mandatory.

This is common to many societies that are class based, not just Thailand. Couple it with the usual lighter treatment of women and it results in the attitude that jailing Yingluk is unthinkable, even if it turns out she has presided over one of the greatest thefts this country has seen.

[HD 205]

Mr Vicha insisted that the probe against Ms Yingluck was not politically motivated or a political persecution against her.

And people swallow this vomit?

Or have I got it wrong and the timing is just a mere coincidence.

It 100% should be investigated and people need to be held accountable for any corruption, but to believe that this is not politically motivated/political persecution in its timing in this current political climate, well it takes a 'braver' man than me to try to convince people of such nonsense.

But I guess some are fooled easier than others.

What a pity that the timing is inconvenient for those charged with corruption. What time would you consider more convenient?

Yes! Convenient is exactly the word to describe it, couldn't have put it any better myself.

[HD 205]

Excuse me?

What do you mean paid? You think I am getting paid to post?!

I am not trolling, I am stating my view. If you would like do engage in adult debate instead of perceiving my join date as some sort of indication that I am being paid (WTH?), then I am more than willing to retort respectfully.

I would rather you did that to be honest and point out the flaws in my viewpoint.

Thank you.

I like the other posters whove commented find your turn of phrase undersireable you make comments without saying anything - we are right to leave you to swallow vomit alone!!

Ok, I can see now that I am the one being trolled here.

That's three people now who have talked about me rather than anything to do with the topic, one even accusing me of being paid

If you would like to leave me to swallow vomit alone then why reply to me at all?

I think it's obvious who's doing the trolling here.

Good debating with you guys.

thanks

i hope its a long goodbye

next ID....

Who said goodbye? not me.

It's funny, you are now the fourth person to get personal with me and not actually bother to contribute anything to the debate or topic.

I haven't got personal with anyone, so if you disagree with what I say please point out what it is and leave the playground stuff out of it, stop trolling.

[HD 205]

Mr Vicha insisted that the probe against Ms Yingluck was not politically motivated or a political persecution against her.

And people swallow this vomit?

Or have I got it wrong and the timing is just a mere coincidence.

It 100% should be investigated and people need to be held accountable for any corruption, but to believe that this is not politically motivated/political persecution in its timing in this current political climate, well it takes a 'braver' man than me to try to convince people of such nonsense.

But I guess some are fooled easier than others.

"It 100% should be investigated". When? Justice delayed is justice denied.

You seem to be suggesting that to ensure that there is no political motivation, the investigation should be postponed. Till when? After Yinluck has secured her overseas accounts and bought her plane ticket?

"When?"

There was plenty of time previous to the current climate of an SOE, an upcoming snap election and a country on tenterhooks, to call for this impeachment.

The correlation of this with the other events that are happening at the moment are clear for all to see, and I believe some people must be willfully pulling the wool over their eyes not to realise how obvious a ploy this is, in its timing.

And as for your quote, has justice not already been delayed in regards to this, in your opinion?

I'm all for her (and anyone) to be investigated for corruption but why not a month ago, why not in a month?

Why now? Really, ask yourself truthfully, why now?