lakecross Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Say you're on a speedboat or yacht and you accidentally stray from Thai waters to Malaysian, or vice versa, or Myanmar/Thailand, what are the likely consequences? How are you supposed to know where one country ends and another begins? Obviously it's not the same as land borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisinth Posted February 11, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) They invented things called charts many, many years ago for the very purpose of knowing where you are, where the wrecks, reefs, shoals, banks, etc. are. Even basic navigation skills (if in sight of land) will allow you to make out landmarks if not able to take a 3 point fix. Now-a-days, GPS comes in a multitude of devices. If any of the above has gone over your head, then you shouldn't be at sea wondering about consequences if you cross territorial limits. If you do stray into an adjoining country's territorial waters, there is a good chance that you could be arrested for illegal entry. If the vessel is searched and anything illegal is found (according to the impeded country's laws) then things could get ugly. Depends on what you have done, how you came to their attention and the relationship between the 2 countries. Sorry to be a bit blunt on this, I would be one of the first to saying that the sea should be a playground, but you need a bit of knowledge to make it a safe ® environment. Edit: the inner territorial waters of a country are normally at 6 & 12 nautical miles. International limits normally 200 nautical miles, a lot of grey areas where limits overlap...................... Edited February 11, 2014 by chrisinth 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seajae Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 mate, if you dont have some form of GPS on any boat at sea your an idiot as they tell you exactly where you are at all times. In Australia you have to have electronic equipment fitted before you are even allowed to go out for safety reasons and anyone worth their salt wants to know where they are in regard to reefs etc before hitting one. If you go into someone elses territorial waters you are the only one at fault and may be in more sh*t than you really want to be in, make sure you have a gps fitted before you go anywhere, if not for your safety then the safety of anyone with you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocko Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 According to his avatar he has only crossed lakes. Just as well really Mind you some lakes are international 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I believe the OP's question was " what are the consequences if you do" not why some one would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outstripp11 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Basically, if you don't touch land, you are OK. You cannot engage in any commercial activities in the foreign waters, but freedom of navigation allows you to enter any water that is not specifically declared to be "off limits". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seajae Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Basically, if you don't touch land, you are OK. You cannot engage in any commercial activities in the foreign waters, but freedom of navigation allows you to enter any water that is not specifically declared to be "off limits". try telling that to china............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recycler Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The first thing you will see is that the sea border is much more wet than the one on shore ;-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorri Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 seajae, on 12 Feb 2014 - 10:27, said: outstripp11, on 12 Feb 2014 - 10:16, said:Basically, if you don't touch land, you are OK. You cannot engage in any commercial activities in the foreign waters, but freedom of navigation allows you to enter any water that is not specifically declared to be "off limits". try telling that to china............. Perhaps the last part of outstripp11's reply covers your reply. Did you read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 According to his avatar he has only crossed lakes. Just as well really Mind you some lakes are international Coming from the land of Great Lakes, I crossed into Canada almost daily on a small canoe with a 2 hp motor on the side......7 years old. No problems with customs or anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Funny that..if you think. Who owns the ocean??? The guy with the biggest ship/guns. Go ask a pirate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocko Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 According to his avatar he has only crossed lakes. Just as well really Mind you some lakes are international Coming from the land of Great Lakes, I crossed into Canada almost daily on a small canoe with a 2 hp motor on the side......7 years old. No problems with customs or anything like that. It was the Great lakes i was thinking about, did'nt think it would be that easy to get in and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamariva1957 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Well... yes... for most of the answers to this post, but unless you are transporting something illegal in the country whose territorial waters you are in and are boarded the only time you have to be concerned is if you step foot on land. Straying into waters of another country is fine as long as if you are not there for illegal purposes. Just cruising is not an offense unless in the time of conflict/war. Oh, you might be stopped (if they find you or have the slightest interest in your and what your craft is doing there), but will accept you explanation as long as you have nothing to hide or are carrying anything deemed illegal. So throw that spliff over board! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 According to his avatar he has only crossed lakes. Just as well really Mind you some lakes are international Coming from the land of Great Lakes, I crossed into Canada almost daily on a small canoe with a 2 hp motor on the side......7 years old. No problems with customs or anything like that. It was the Great lakes i was thinking about, did'nt think it would be that easy to get in and out. Here is a good point of entry...You camp on Wolf Island/ St Lawence. So many small boats....and camping. My dad used to take us there for the summers. Grandparents were French Canadian....Dad is American. Small canoes with motors...many islands and coves...nobody used to care which side you were on. Perhaps now...they may have surveillance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfe_Island_%28Ontario%29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) "How are you supposed to know where one country ends and another begins?" *********************************************** As you sail the seas, just look for that same bright red border line that you also saw on your 49-baht map you bought at Big C. Edited February 12, 2014 by Fookhaht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer666 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) Being a Diver and a Sailor before i retired (Last year) . I vaguely recall these ( Obviously Ancient) things called GPS's, Charts, Outer Markers, Inner Markers, Epirbs, and at a last resort, the Stars. Am i getting so old already that even exploring the oceans has changed ??? Oh and i almost forgot ( old git that i am) We used to have these things called Radios, which we could use to call the local authorities to make sure everything was ok and if they saw us on their RADAR thingies ( and it was a problem) , they would call us ( on our call sign, which these strange RADAR thingies can read) and tell us to point our pointed end in the other direction. EDIT TO ADD:, If you do accidentally cross international waters then i guarantee that they will know that you are there before you even realise it. Have your passports with you ( always) Most un-intentional intrusions into others waters are easily solved in my experience. Edited February 12, 2014 by lucifer666 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshine51 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) As lucifer 666 stated; this is true. You are also required to clear port authorities at your present location before departing for another destination...wherever that may be. If you fail to clear with the authorities at your present location, the authorities who control the waters where you're caught may have some serious questions for you to answer. BTW...if you have any contraband, of any type aboard the vessel, be prepared to spend a long time in some shithole prison and you can kiss the boat you were on/owned good---<deleted>---bye...as well as yourself. Just a quick edited add on....mind your P's & Q's in your present port and ensure all debts are squared away before leaving....they have a nasty habit of being called in at the strangest locations. Edited February 12, 2014 by sunshine51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wym Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) Small canoes with motors...many islands and coves...nobody used to care which side you were on. Perhaps now...they may have surveillance. MAY have, you think? Edited February 12, 2014 by wym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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