Pheu Thai Party rejects Thaksin overture for talks with protesters

[icommunity]

The report was a trap.

[ggold]

As i said before, Sharon...

Talks with that Snake will be pointless, she will just lie through her teeth, say she doesn't know about that subject and insist Suthep 'waits for the proper time'

Suthep is right to stand strong against this Champion of Corruption... the sooner the NACC lay charges against her the better...

... but looking at the latest from the EC, they say they will hold the elections in the failed districts towards the end of April (27th?) - but isn't "D-Day" for Yingluck as caretaker the 1st April?

Have you ever tried to save someone drowning in the sea/pool? They try and drag you down with them in their panic... who's going down with YL i wonder?

First of all, who is Sharon?

Assuming you mean me, my name is SHANNON. Not Sharon.

Second, Yingluck will lose caretaker status on April 1, you are correct. In that case, as stated in Article 3 of the Constitution, the sovereign power temporarily entrusted to the government via the electoral process will be handed back to the people. And since a country cannot function without a government, a new prime minister can be appointed to form an interim government via Article 7 of the Constitution. The president of the Senate will forward the name of the candidate to serve as Thailand's next prime minister to His Majesty the King for royal endorsement.

The president of the Senate is Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij:

http://www.thai-senate.com/in/english/former_president_id.php?id_data=125

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

All which goes to show just how corrupt the system is! because by you're words the implication is that PTP will have the next caretaker PM come April 1st, regardless!

Yet you come here and try to claim that PTP are democratic, that it is Suthep who is being belligerent in the face of talks to resolve the situation.

Well Shannon T (shame you don't get the Sharon quip) like your friend pipkin! you have a right to your view, the fact that it comes across as a hard sell trying to convince others of their error, rather than offering good debate, failure to admit the corruption of PTP, but then proving the corruption exists!

you either need to try a lot harder or accept that many here do not buy into the twisted lies from truths, that you and pipkin espouse on here. But thanks for making it more entertaining, I dare say without you and pipkin the news forum would be a bit dull without all the repetitiveness etc!

Edited February 11, 2014 by ggold

[MunterHunter]

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

All which goes to show just how corrupt the system is! because by you're words the implication is that PTP will have the next caretaker PM come April 1st, regardless!

Yet you come here and try to claim that PTP are democratic, that it is Suthep who is being belligerent in the face of talks to resolve the situation.

Well Shannon T (shame you don't get the Sharon quip) like your friend pipkin! you have a right to your view, the fact that it comes across as a hard sell trying to convince others of their error, rather than offering good debate, failure to admit the corruption of PTP, but then proving the corruption exists!

you either need to try a lot harder or accept that many here do not buy into the twisted lies from truths, that you and pipkin espouse on here. But thanks for making it more entertaining, I dare say without you and pipkin the news forum would be a bit dull without all the repetitiveness etc!

I'm glad someone got the quip

[Davidhere]

He ruled out that Thaksin had proposed the dialogue, but he said he AGREED with having a dialogue.

Why can't you people read?

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It would help immensely if the news reporters could write.

Writing "Pheu Thai Party rejects Thaksin overture for talks with protesters" implies a quite different message, such that PTP is going against Thaksin's offer to hold talks.

That was certainly caught my attention, thinking holy smokes, PTP is going independent of the party financier for once in their existence. Alas, upon reading the article, that's not the case and they remain his doormat.

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Edited February 11, 2014 by Davidhere

[ShannonT]

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

All which goes to show just how corrupt the system is! because by you're words the implication is that PTP will have the next caretaker PM come April 1st, regardless!

Yet you come here and try to claim that PTP are democratic, that it is Suthep who is being belligerent in the face of talks to resolve the situation.

It's not about corruption, it's about law, which some of the people here seem to have a difficult time understanding.

It's the constitution that says that the Senate leader must elect the next PM.

Who approved this constitution and it's wording? The Democrats under Abhisit and Suthep.

They could have chosen a different wording or law, but they didn't.

If it was the Democrats in power in the same situation, it would be a Democrat choosing the next PM.

In other words, the system that you call corrupt was designed and approved by the Democrats.

Edited February 11, 2014 by ShannonT

[ggold]

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

All which goes to show just how corrupt the system is! because by you're words the implication is that PTP will have the next caretaker PM come April 1st, regardless!

Yet you come here and try to claim that PTP are democratic, that it is Suthep who is being belligerent in the face of talks to resolve the situation.

It's not about corruption, it's about law, which some of the people here seem to have a difficult time understanding.

It's the constitution that says that the Senate leader must elect the next PM.

Who approved this constitution and it's wording? The Democrats under Abhisit and Suthep.

They could have chosen a different wording or law, but they didn't.

If it was the Democrats in power in the same situation, it would be a Democrat choosing the next PM.

In other words, the system that you call corrupt was designed and approved by the Democrats.

Shannon you really should calm down, you'll get a heart attack!

On a more serious note, You did it again, pointing out that the law is as corrupt asPTP and the constitution! But hey lets not split hairs just as long as the law is the law?

Edited February 11, 2014 by sbk
name fixed

[ShannonT]

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

All which goes to show just how corrupt the system is! because by you're words the implication is that PTP will have the next caretaker PM come April 1st, regardless!

Yet you come here and try to claim that PTP are democratic, that it is Suthep who is being belligerent in the face of talks to resolve the situation.

It's not about corruption, it's about law, which some of the people here seem to have a difficult time understanding.

It's the constitution that says that the Senate leader must elect the next PM.

Who approved this constitution and it's wording? The Democrats under Abhisit and Suthep.

They could have chosen a different wording or law, but they didn't.

If it was the Democrats in power in the same situation, it would be a Democrat choosing the next PM.

In other words, the system that you call corrupt was designed and approved by the Democrats.

Shannon you really should calm down, you'll get a heart attack!

On a more serious note, You did it again, pointing out that the law is as corrupt as the constitution! But hey lets not split hairs just as long as the law is the law?

I'm glad that we can agree that the Democrats approved a corrupt constitution and election law.

You see, Puea Thai is just following the election law as stated under the constitution which was approved under Abhisit and Suthep.

If they thought it was unfair and corrupt, maybe they should not have designed it and approved it that way?

Then we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

Edited February 11, 2014 by sbk

[tomacht8]

According to Mr. Prompong Nopparit, ……

All what this, in two instances condemned criminal (now out on bail) says, is highly doubtful.

First i just do not understand why a political party sticks so long to a convicted party spokesman.

Just from a purely psychological sight, everything what he says gets so a criminal touch.

I do not understand why they did not replace him with a less biased person.

Second I do not belief him. The air getting thiner for YL and the government, because of the increasing uncovering of the rice scheme,
so the willingness for talks will increase.

YL could offer to step down (she is anyway not interested in politics), under the condition that Suthep also disappears.
They could agree on elections for example on July. So every party, the EC, the CC, the courts, etc. have enough time for preparation.
Also a neutral caretaker government could clear then the debs with the farmers and could implement a reform panel.

So that
Pheu Thai Party spokesman Prompong Nopparit today rejected a report that ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has urged the government to hold talks with protesters to find a political resolution for Thailand.

I have my doubts.

Edited February 11, 2014 by tomacht8

[AleG]

PTP doesn't have a leg to stand in regards to talks and negotiations. They pulled that trick with the Amnesty Bill, talks, negotiations, seminars with prominent international figures, "it's not about Thaksin, cross my heart and hope to die" Then, after all those diversions and misdirections, they went ahead and simply steamrolled an amnesty for Thaksin and 25.000 other corruption cases from 2004 to 2014.

Only a fool trusts demostrably dishonest people.

[GentlemanJim]

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

All which goes to show just how corrupt the system is! because by you're words the implication is that PTP will have the next caretaker PM come April 1st, regardless!

Yet you come here and try to claim that PTP are democratic, that it is Suthep who is being belligerent in the face of talks to resolve the situation.

It's not about corruption, it's about law, which some of the people here seem to have a difficult time understanding.

It's the constitution that says that the Senate leader must elect the next PM.

Who approved this constitution and it's wording? The Democrats under Abhisit and Suthep.

They could have chosen a different wording or law, but they didn't.

If it was the Democrats in power in the same situation, it would be a Democrat choosing the next PM.

In other words, the system that you call corrupt was designed and approved by the Democrats.

Is that the same law and constitution that says that a care taker Government is not allowed to create debt that the next Government would be committed to paying off. Funny you seem to understand some things from the constitution but not accept other things.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies have been deleted.

[ggold]

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

All which goes to show just how corrupt the system is! because by you're words the implication is that PTP will have the next caretaker PM come April 1st, regardless!

Yet you come here and try to claim that PTP are democratic, that it is Suthep who is being belligerent in the face of talks to resolve the situation.

It's not about corruption, it's about law, which some of the people here seem to have a difficult time understanding.

It's the constitution that says that the Senate leader must elect the next PM.

Who approved this constitution and it's wording? The Democrats under Abhisit and Suthep.

They could have chosen a different wording or law, but they didn't.

If it was the Democrats in power in the same situation, it would be a Democrat choosing the next PM.

In other words, the system that you call corrupt was designed and approved by the Democrats.

Sharon you really should calm down, you'll get a heart attack!

On a more serious note, You did it again, pointing out that the law is as corrupt as the constitution! But hey lets not split hairs just as long as the law is the law?

I'm glad that we can agree that the Democrats approved a corrupt constitution and election law.

You see, Puea Thai is just following the election law as stated under the constitution which was approved under Abhisit and Suthep.

If they thought it was unfair and corrupt, maybe they should not have designed it and approved it that way?

Then we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

indeed we may agree on that, but then don't try and pretend that PTP are the angels who just happen to be following the law and constitution when it seems they don't even know what they can or cannot do. That what they do always turns to failure, that costs the country not them. They seem to get richer!

In your blind support for PTP you are blinkered to the possibility that this time around with Suthep's protests that thinks may just change! As laughable as that may sound! he doesn't intend on standing for election in the future, so has nothing to gain personally, and if that's wrong then things in Thailand will never change, in which case the nails are already in the coffin with the last few being banged in!

The country suffers for the sake of 500 politicians!

[ShannonT]

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

All which goes to show just how corrupt the system is! because by you're words the implication is that PTP will have the next caretaker PM come April 1st, regardless!

Yet you come here and try to claim that PTP are democratic, that it is Suthep who is being belligerent in the face of talks to resolve the situation.

It's not about corruption, it's about law, which some of the people here seem to have a difficult time understanding.

It's the constitution that says that the Senate leader must elect the next PM.

Who approved this constitution and it's wording? The Democrats under Abhisit and Suthep.

They could have chosen a different wording or law, but they didn't.

If it was the Democrats in power in the same situation, it would be a Democrat choosing the next PM.

In other words, the system that you call corrupt was designed and approved by the Democrats.

Is that the same law and constitution that says that a care taker Government is not allowed to create debt that the next Government would be committed to paying off. Funny you seem to understand some things from the constitution but not accept other things.

You are correct.

If Suthep and the Democrats didn't block the elections and prevented people from voting, a new parliament would already be established and the government could legally borrow money to pay the rice farmers.

If the government leaves, like Suthep demands, how will rice farmers be paid then? Suthep will also need to borrow money in order to pay the farmers, so where is the difference?

[ShannonT]

I'm glad that we can agree that the Democrats approved a corrupt constitution and election law.

You see, Puea Thai is just following the election law as stated under the constitution which was approved under Abhisit and Suthep.

If they thought it was unfair and corrupt, maybe they should not have designed it and approved it that way?

Then we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

indeed we may agree on that, but then don't try and pretend that PTP are the angels who just happen to be following the law and constitution when it seems they don't even know what they can or cannot do. That what they do always turns to failure, that costs the country not them. They seem to get richer!

In your blind support for PTP you are blinkered to the possibility that this time around with Suthep's protests that thinks may just change! As laughable as that may sound! he doesn't intend on standing for election in the future, so has nothing to gain personally, and if that's wrong then things in Thailand will never change, in which case the nails are already in the coffin with the last few being banged in!

The country suffers for the sake of 500 politicians!

He does not hold an official office, so he says currently, but he is also known for flip-flopping, so we don't really know.

But assuming that he won't hold an official office, he still says that he wants to choose the people on the "people's council" who will then rule Thailand.

So basically, he doesn't want to be the one ruling, he just wants to be the one that chooses the ruler.

He's like Gaddhafi who also had a council that ruled Libya, but he was the one that chose the council.

If someone on the council refuses Suthep's commands, you can be sure that he'll be out in no time.

Plus, by excluding Puea Thai members from the council, he is effectively excluding the party and its supporters who won the majority of votes in the last election, further diving the country.

That is the sad truth, no matter how you spin it.

[rickirs]

Talks is the only way to resolve problems in a normal society. Violence and and anarchy are not the way.

So is voting and participating in the governing process.

[ggold]

I'm glad that we can agree that the Democrats approved a corrupt constitution and election law.

You see, Puea Thai is just following the election law as stated under the constitution which was approved under Abhisit and Suthep.

If they thought it was unfair and corrupt, maybe they should not have designed it and approved it that way?

Then we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

indeed we may agree on that, but then don't try and pretend that PTP are the angels who just happen to be following the law and constitution when it seems they don't even know what they can or cannot do. That what they do always turns to failure, that costs the country not them. They seem to get richer!

In your blind support for PTP you are blinkered to the possibility that this time around with Suthep's protests that thinks may just change! As laughable as that may sound! he doesn't intend on standing for election in the future, so has nothing to gain personally, and if that's wrong then things in Thailand will never change, in which case the nails are already in the coffin with the last few being banged in!

The country suffers for the sake of 500 politicians!

He does not hold an official office, so he says currently, but he is also known for flip-flopping, so we don't really know.

But assuming that he won't hold an official office, he still says that he wants to choose the people on the "people's council" who will then rule Thailand.

So basically, he doesn't want to be the one ruling, he just wants to be the one that chooses the ruler.

He's like Gaddhafi who also had a council that ruled Libya, but he was the one that chose the council.

If someone on the council refuses Suthep's commands, you can be sure that he'll be out in no time.

Plus, by excluding Puea Thai members from the council, he is effectively excluding the party and its supporters who won the majority of votes in the last election, further diving the country.

That is the sad truth, no matter how you spin it.

Your beginning to sound like a broken record, repeating the same old mantras. we can see that PTP can threaten too, the hotels for harbouring protest leaders, theats to the banks if they don't lend money, citizens being told they are ignorant garbage re the water schemes! Threats of protest leaders extra-judicial shooting, if resisting arrest!

Next

[rickirs]

"Pheu Thai Party rejects Thaksin overture for talks with protesters" Time & time again the The nation's headlines are misdirected from the content. There is no basis that Thaksin asked for talks, only "reported" to ask. Given recent behavior of the Democrats and Suthep in particular, there is no basis for reasonable and productive talks while maintaining the status quo of the PTP government. And for Thaksin to suggest such talks is inconsistent with current PTP strategy; a strategy that some think directed by Thaksin.

[rickirs]

Gosh, seems so simple to fix. But the Dems dont care about reform, they Only care about Yingluk resigning and their setup of a power grab. If not, both sides would be talking.

Talks are the best way to go. But the current government has never been interested in this. Or these problems would have been resolved years ago. It takes 2 to tango. Not just one. Give and take is required.

And what pray tell does Suhtep give up, dreams of being a dictator?

[rickirs]

Gosh, seems so simple to fix. But the Dems dont care about reform, they Only care about Yingluk resigning and their setup of a power grab. If not, both sides would be talking.

Yingluck has offered direct talks but he refused.

Just shows he is not interested in a peaceful solution.

If they just talked together maybe a solution could be found.

Really!

I'm pretty sure that Yingluck never turned up at any meetings.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Hard for Yingluck to go to meetings that don't exist or where Suthep has threatened her with kidnapping to "physically remove" her from office.

[spirit47]

First S. says the law text says that the name of the Interims-PM will be forwarded by the senat president to HMK, than he say that this president "elect" the Interims-PM...(one vote... ). Now the Shin-clan is the last 14 years in power, without the short time Abhisit was PM-why? Taksin the master of corruption was kicked out and fly away...Next step, free elections, Taksin is back as PM, but after some cosmetic surgery nobody recognizes him, but he not changed, he stil robbers the Land of smile.

The system basicly is ok, but through the patronage and corruption it going worse, the politicans are the problem, what colour ever...We can only hope, that the people strong and willing enough to force the fight against this cancer. The first statements about this from the PDRC seems ok for me. But its sure, that the Interims-PM not from the PTP, we will see whom the senate will offer to HMK...

[rickirs]

As i said before, Sharon...

Talks with that Snake will be pointless, she will just lie through her teeth, say she doesn't know about that subject and insist Suthep 'waits for the proper time'

Suthep is right to stand strong against this Champion of Corruption... the sooner the NACC lay charges against her the better...

... but looking at the latest from the EC, they say they will hold the elections in the failed districts towards the end of April (27th?) - but isn't "D-Day" for Yingluck as caretaker the 1st April?

Have you ever tried to save someone drowning in the sea/pool? They try and drag you down with them in their panic... who's going down with YL i wonder?

First of all, who is Sharon?

Assuming you mean me, my name is SHANNON. Not Sharon.

Second, Yingluck will lose caretaker status on April 1, you are correct. In that case, as stated in Article 3 of the Constitution, the sovereign power temporarily entrusted to the government via the electoral process will be handed back to the people. And since a country cannot function without a government, a new prime minister can be appointed to form an interim government via Article 7 of the Constitution. The president of the Senate will forward the name of the candidate to serve as Thailand's next prime minister to His Majesty the King for royal endorsement.

The president of the Senate is Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij:

http://www.thai-senate.com/in/english/former_president_id.php?id_data=125

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

Than you can tell us, why the current Government want change the constitiution for get an elected senate. That the president go to HMK means not, that he decide who it is... alt=cheesy.gif width=32 height=20>

Trying to decipher your question I think you are asking why should the PTP go through the trouble of trying to get an elected Senate when it already controls the Senate Presidency? A good question (assuming I figured it correctly) as why would PTP risk losing the Senate Presidency through an electio?. The answer may be that an elected Senate makes for a more complete democracy in which ALL of Parliament officials in both the Senate and House are elected by the Thai People and accountable to them for their performance or lack thereof. Are you familiar with this form of democratic goverance?

[Davidhere]

It's the constitution that says that the Senate leader must elect the next PM.

Who approved this constitution and it's wording? The Democrats under Abhisit and Suthep.

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Thanks for the bold font with underlining.

It really draws attention to your glaring errors.

The constitution was approved long before Abhisit/Suthep were in office.

If you're that sloppy with such rudimentary facts, it ruins everything you try to propagate.

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Edited February 11, 2014 by Davidhere

[Mackie]

PTP doesn't have a leg to stand in regards to talks and negotiations. They pulled that trick with the Amnesty Bill, talks, negotiations, seminars with prominent international figures, "it's not about Thaksin, cross my heart and hope to die" Then, after all those diversions and misdirections, they went ahead and simply steamrolled an amnesty for Thaksin and 25.000 other corruption cases from 2004 to 2014.

Only a fool trusts demostrably dishonest people.

Absolutely. However it appears that there are many fools around here. I can understand that Thais are fooled by empty promises but supposedly educated westerners to be more deluded than Thai. It beggars belief.

[bigbamboo]

Gosh, seems so simple to fix. But the Dems dont care about reform, they Only care about Yingluk resigning and their setup of a power grab. If not, both sides would be talking.

Defend the crooks to your hearts content, repeat this mantra continuously, Yinglucks family doesn't want power, only peace. Repeat as often as necessary to convince yourself.

I've never quite understood why if the Shinawats only want peace and not power they need to have family members in the key positions of Prime Minister, Defence Minister, Foreign Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, Deputy Leader of the ruling Pheu Thai party and Chief of CAPO. And of course overseeing the lot from his power tower in Dubai is Yingluck's brother. Thaksin.... an ex Prime Minister himself.

That's an awful lot of power for one family to have under their bonnet.

[rickirs]

As i said before, Sharon...

Talks with that Snake will be pointless, she will just lie through her teeth, say she doesn't know about that subject and insist Suthep 'waits for the proper time'

Suthep is right to stand strong against this Champion of Corruption... the sooner the NACC lay charges against her the better...

... but looking at the latest from the EC, they say they will hold the elections in the failed districts towards the end of April (27th?) - but isn't "D-Day" for Yingluck as caretaker the 1st April?

Have you ever tried to save someone drowning in the sea/pool? They try and drag you down with them in their panic... who's going down with YL i wonder?

First of all, who is Sharon?

Assuming you mean me, my name is SHANNON. Not Sharon.

Second, Yingluck will lose caretaker status on April 1, you are correct. In that case, as stated in Article 3 of the Constitution, the sovereign power temporarily entrusted to the government via the electoral process will be handed back to the people. And since a country cannot function without a government, a new prime minister can be appointed to form an interim government via Article 7 of the Constitution. The president of the Senate will forward the name of the candidate to serve as Thailand's next prime minister to His Majesty the King for royal endorsement.

The president of the Senate is Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij:

http://www.thai-senate.com/in/english/former_president_id.php?id_data=125

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

All which goes to show just how corrupt the system is! because by you're words the implication is that PTP will have the next caretaker PM come April 1st, regardless!

Yet you come here and try to claim that PTP are democratic, that it is Suthep who is being belligerent in the face of talks to resolve the situation.

Well Shannon T (shame you don't get the Sharon quip) like your friend pipkin! you have a right to your view, the fact that it comes across as a hard sell trying to convince others of their error, rather than offering good debate, failure to admit the corruption of PTP, but then proving the corruption exists!

you either need to try a lot harder or accept that many here do not buy into the twisted lies from truths, that you and pipkin espouse on here. But thanks for making it more entertaining, I dare say without you and pipkin the news forum would be a bit dull without all the repetitiveness etc! alt=whistling.gif width=19 height=18>

If this system is corrupt as you say, then one must find those who created it to be equally if not more corrupt - the Democrats. Memories are short I guess when you fall out of power.

[Yunla]

As posters have pointed out at various times recently, many of the protestors are not huge Suthep fans but they want a change from the current regime. It is fair to say that that many PTP voters are no longer or even were ever really fans of the Shinawatras, and that they simply wanted their lives to improve by being adequately represented. So what we have really, as the core problem, is that there are a lot of good people in the protestors stroke Dem voter group, and a lot of good people in the PTP voter group, but that the leadership of both groups is positively atrocious.

To me this is the crux of the whole problem here, normal people on both sides want reform but unfortunately the two main parties are self-interested brigands. Obvious solution is for both groups of supporters to form new parties or mass-support smaller existing parties, with more credible leadership.

Because currently you are looking at two main parties that are basically the same larcenous buccaneers but with slightly different aftershaves on.

[Soi Sauce]

Talks with that Snake will be pointless, she will just lie through her teeth, say she doesn't know about that subject and insist Suthep 'waits for the proper time'

Suthep is right to stand strong against this Champion of Corruption... the sooner the NACC lay charges against her the better

Suthep, who is charged with murdering over 80 Thais ...

Against someone who did the same to more than 2,500 THais, many innocent, but had the power to say summat about the UN not being his Daddy when questioned on Human Rights?

Then massacred Muslims on 2 occassions and now runs a corrupt gov. from abroad.

80 is small fry,and was done to overcome a fugitive funded attempted undemocratic illegal ousting of an elected government which just happened to burn down a lot of Thais income sources.

I suppose you love mass murderers. Watch True Detective as it takes 15 years for the guy to get convicted. Hopefully, here will take less.

BTW; Why is Suthep being charged and Thaksin not?

[GentlemanJim]

is that the same law and constitution that says that a care taker Government is not allowed to create debt that the next Government would be committed to paying off. Funny you seem to understand some things from the constitution but not accept other things.

You are correct.

If Suthep and the Democrats didn't block the elections and prevented people from voting, a new parliament would already be established and the government could legally borrow money to pay the rice farmers.

If the government leaves, like Suthep demands, how will rice farmers be paid then? Suthep will also need to borrow money in order to pay the farmers, so where is the difference?

The elections have been blocked because during the last elections there was mass, proven vote buying, promises of still undelivered and undeliverable populist policies and corruption on a grand scale. Almost without exception MP's are using the law to their own advantage and able to break that law without fear of consequence. SO, it's time for change, radical change, and when we get the idea of 'one Nation, One People, ONE LAW' this country will be able to get off it's ass and pursue Democracy.

Yes, whoever gets in will have to find funding to pay the farmers, but what you are consistently missing or avoiding here is that PTP have FAILED to pay the farmers. Please explain why you think they should be allowed to find funding or get loans to pay the farmers? There is supposed to be a 'rotating' fund of 700 billion baht to pay farmers. Aren't you interested in the slightest as to where it has gone? Why do the care taker Government need to find loans? The money is supposed to be there. Late payment is NOTHING to do with Suthep so can you climb off that particular hamster wheel please.

indeed we may agree on that, but then don't try and pretend that PTP are the angels who just happen to be following the law and constitution when it seems they don't even know what they can or cannot do. That what they do always turns to failure, that costs the country not them. They seem to get richer!

In your blind support for PTP you are blinkered to the possibility that this time around with Suthep's protests that thinks may just change! As laughable as that may sound! he doesn't intend on standing for election in the future, so has nothing to gain personally, and if that's wrong then things in Thailand will never change, in which case the nails are already in the coffin with the last few being banged in!

The country suffers for the sake of 500 politicians!

He does not hold an official office, so he says currently, but he is also known for flip-flopping, so we don't really know.

But assuming that he won't hold an official office, he still says that he wants to choose the people on the "people's council" who will then rule Thailand.

So basically, he doesn't want to be the one ruling, he just wants to be the one that chooses the ruler.

He's like Gaddhafi who also had a council that ruled Libya, but he was the one that chose the council.

If someone on the council refuses Suthep's commands, you can be sure that he'll be out in no time.

Plus, by excluding Puea Thai members from the council, he is effectively excluding the party and its supporters who won the majority of votes in the last election, further diving the country.

That is the sad truth, no matter how you spin it.

OK, no spin needed, PTP did not win the majority of votes at the last election, simple, go check it out and then you can spin it all back to us. Furthermore without the very fragile and highly paid for coalition that PTP cling on to things would be a little different in this country. So, lets have some UN or international monitored free and fair elections and I am all for it. Lets have a radical change where MP's are not privileged with immunity from the law and I am all for it, until then Suthep is welcome to his brand of anarchy as it is the only thing in sight that stands a chance of stopping this country pissing in to wind for the next 50 years. No pain, no gain!

"That is the sad truth, no matter how you spin it."

Edited February 11, 2014 by GentlemanJim

[casualbiker]

Who approved this constitution and it's wording? The Democrats under Abhisit and Suthep.

They could have chosen a different wording or law, but they didn't.

Nope. It's the 2007 constitution (not the 2009) and the people approved it!

" The draft was approved by 59.3% of the voters on 19 August 2007, with 55.6% of qualified voters voting."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Thailand#2007_Constitution

[JesseFrank]

First of all, who is Sharon?

Assuming you mean me, my name is SHANNON. Not Sharon.

Second, Yingluck will lose caretaker status on April 1, you are correct. In that case, as stated in Article 3 of the Constitution, the sovereign power temporarily entrusted to the government via the electoral process will be handed back to the people. And since a country cannot function without a government, a new prime minister can be appointed to form an interim government via Article 7 of the Constitution. The president of the Senate will forward the name of the candidate to serve as Thailand's next prime minister to His Majesty the King for royal endorsement.

The president of the Senate is Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij:

http://www.thai-senate.com/in/english/former_president_id.php?id_data=125

Mr. Nikom Wairatpanij has close ties with the Puea Thai party.

So whatever ship you think is sinking on April 1, it's not the Puea Thai ship, so you might be on the wrong ship.

I don't know much about the Thai senate, but since today was announced that end of March a new senate will be elected, could it be that Mr Nikom will not be president of the senate anymore on 1 April ?