Thai opinion: What if the "majority" balks at 'democracy'?

[BlueNoseCodger]

Loved Blue Nosed Codger's piece.

Nobody knows what they want to replace democracy with, they all leave that to Suthep and have some airy fairy idea that all will be well.

Everybody outside this fantasy tale knows, it can't work. Suthep and Korn fell out on day one. So it's either or with them two.

What can they do? What if Suthep does not like it?

Who next. Thats obvious. Its Sutheps Son/stepson Akanant. So it is the North Korea route. No chance of getting them out without civil war for over 30 years.

Crazy days when they can fill a paper with this guff and all around there are armed Militia supporting a coup and actively pushing the army to do so.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Many thai's are very alert to the dangers of PDRC. Not in the media, but certainly in the streets where Suthep is facing riducule by photo all day everyday on instagram, twitter and Pantip. One stage was pumping out to ONE person yesterday and we put the pics on here to demostrate what is happening.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Well why don't you go to pantip where all you buddies are and leave us in peace! I liked the bit "Not on this forum" Is you mission to convert the none believers on here, We don't convert so easily, We are able to think for ourselves and see the bullshit that is PTP.

We aren't buying your bullshit, not today not tomorrow not ever. OK.

ggold,gemini81 liked your post and voted for it.

The irony of that!

[Lancelot]

Is Singapore truly Democratic? But the population enjoys a robust economy and rule of law. Not perfect but what form of government is? I would imagine most Thais would be delighted one party rule, no (ok reduced) corruption, social justice from police and government bureaus.

I think it was Winston Churchill that quipped: The best argument against Democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter...

[ggold]

Loved Blue Nosed Codger's piece.

Nobody knows what they want to replace democracy with, they all leave that to Suthep and have some airy fairy idea that all will be well.

Everybody outside this fantasy tale knows, it can't work. Suthep and Korn fell out on day one. So it's either or with them two.

What can they do? What if Suthep does not like it?

Who next. Thats obvious. Its Sutheps Son/stepson Akanant. So it is the North Korea route. No chance of getting them out without civil war for over 30 years.

Crazy days when they can fill a paper with this guff and all around there are armed Militia supporting a coup and actively pushing the army to do so.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Many thai's are very alert to the dangers of PDRC. Not in the media, but certainly in the streets where Suthep is facing riducule by photo all day everyday on instagram, twitter and Pantip. One stage was pumping out to ONE person yesterday and we put the pics on here to demostrate what is happening.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Well why don't you go to pantip where all you buddies are and leave us in peace! I liked the bit "Not on this forum" Is you mission to convert the none believers on here, We don't convert so easily, We are able to think for ourselves and see the bullshit that is PTP.

We aren't buying your bullshit, not today not tomorrow not ever. OK.

Thanks for liking my post and suggesting Thaivisa become a one thought forum. Anytakers for a PDRC re-style of ThaiVisa? Thought not, so you in minority again

No opposing opinions of diversity, just like you want for Thai People. Dream on with that one mate.

I do not waste my time trying to persuade people so far gone on Bluesky propaganda.

Lot of reasoned debate does go on here if we ignore the troll posts. Which is what we usually do with yours.

I don't like your posts, like many, I can see them for what they are,Propaganda!

you posts are pure propaganda, and is seen as such, the only troll is you with your twisted comments. the reasoned debate is not coming from you, who you trying to fool.

you are right, I should put you on ignore, then I wouldn't have to read your troll posts.

[englishoak]

Loved Blue Nosed Codger's piece.

Nobody knows what they want to replace democracy with, they all leave that to Suthep and have some airy fairy idea that all will be well.

Everybody outside this fantasy tale knows, it can't work. Suthep and Korn fell out on day one. So it's either or with them two.

What can they do? What if Suthep does not like it?

Who next. Thats obvious. Its Sutheps Son/stepson Akanant. So it is the North Korea route. No chance of getting them out without civil war for over 30 years.

Crazy days when they can fill a paper with this guff and all around there are armed Militia supporting a coup and actively pushing the army to do so.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Many thai's are very alert to the dangers of PDRC. Not in the media, but certainly in the streets where Suthep is facing riducule by photo all day everyday on instagram, twitter and Pantip. One stage was pumping out to ONE person yesterday and we put the pics on here to demostrate what is happening.

Didn't know all the bar girls were into pantip, twitter and instagram. Thanks for keeping us in the loop with the duped.

you didnt ?? post of the day thanks for the chuckle

[BlueNoseCodger]

Those "lazy voters who don't care", but who also happened to be blocked from voting by protesters and in some cases threatened?

That's like saying the average North Korean doesn't care too much for democracy either since they are not out there voting either

Not quite true, North Korea has elections, one is due next month. Even the most oppressive nasty dictatorship is the world holds elections, because the people need to be passified. They have 3 or 4 fake parties, one wins, 100% turnout, the winning party with 100% of the seats is the Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland., they even need to use the word 'Democrat' in their name to pretend to be democratic and not a political front for dictatorship.

But of course there never is a chance of dictator's choice losing because they control the North Korean Election Commission, who would simply nullify the vote and disobey the law if ever people voted against the chosen candidates.

The North Korean Constitutional Court, would then rule out any opponent as illegal, and strike them off the list.

But probably they'd just shut North Korean polling stations and take away their vote altogether, since they control the vote.

Oh guess what? North Korean is also joint last of the Corruption index.

[Publicus]

Loved Blue Nosed Codger's piece.

Nobody knows what they want to replace democracy with, they all leave that to Suthep and have some airy fairy idea that all will be well.

Everybody outside this fantasy tale knows, it can't work. Suthep and Korn fell out on day one. So it's either or with them two.

What can they do? What if Suthep does not like it?

Who next. Thats obvious. Its Sutheps Son/stepson Akanant. So it is the North Korea route. No chance of getting them out without civil war for over 30 years.

Crazy days when they can fill a paper with this guff and all around there are armed Militia supporting a coup and actively pushing the army to do so.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Many thai's are very alert to the dangers of PDRC. Not in the media, but certainly in the streets where Suthep is facing riducule by photo all day everyday on instagram, twitter and Pantip. One stage was pumping out to ONE person yesterday and we put the pics on here to demostrate what is happening.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Well why don't you go to pantip where all you buddies are and leave us in peace! I liked the bit "Not on this forum" Is you mission to convert the none believers on here, We don't convert so easily, We are able to think for ourselves and see the bullshit that is PTP.

We aren't buying your bullshit, not today not tomorrow not ever. OK.

If you like stating the obvious perhaps you should write it in a diary instead of here or publically.

Who among the regular posters (and the developing regular posters) expects to convince the other poster that the side he's on and promotes repeatedly, often stridently and combatively is wrong? I'm not trying to convince you and your side of anything. Posters post their point of view not to surrender or modify it, but to promote it, and to do so totally and in full. No poster here changes his mind or side. The few posters that pretend to be neutral kid only themselves.

For most of my time here I've posted to those who visit the site to read, because in the process they themselves sort out the BS from the real arguments - most recently to sort out the fahlang fascists from the fahlang democrats. None of you are going to turn me to fascism and, unfortunately but 100% true, I'm not going to turn tea party types abroad into democrats.

Fahlang fascists have self-deported to richer fields here in Thailand, for which the local fascists are eternally grateful.

This post is the vivid illustration of the point I make. Your post is equally so. I'll let the hundreds of readers who daily visit the Forum, sometimes a few thousand, sort all of us to themselves. I do believe that in the long run truth does gravitate to the vast majority of people who are in the political center-middle wherever it is they come from, which means your side gets flushed, as is already occurring.

There you go - going, going, gone. Bye.

[kikoman]

Loved Blue Nosed Codger's piece.

Nobody knows what they want to replace democracy with, they all leave that to Suthep and have some airy fairy idea that all will be well.

Everybody outside this fantasy tale knows, it can't work. Suthep and Korn fell out on day one. So it's either or with them two.

What can they do? What if Suthep does not like it?

Who next. Thats obvious. Its Sutheps Son/stepson Akanant. So it is the North Korea route. No chance of getting them out without civil war for over 30 years.

Crazy days when they can fill a paper with this guff and all around there are armed Militia supporting a coup and actively pushing the army to do so.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Many thai's are very alert to the dangers of PDRC. Not in the media, but certainly in the streets where Suthep is facing riducule by photo all day everyday on instagram, twitter and Pantip. One stage was pumping out to ONE person yesterday and we put the pics on here to demostrate what is happening.

Didn't know all the bar girls were into pantip, twitter and instagram. Thanks for keeping us in the loop with the duped.

Shows how little you know about the people of Thailand, but for you-all is appropriate as many of the yellows never venture far from the bars: that is the only part on the country they have seen.

Many of the teens in the village come to visit the kids, who have their own computers and post on the social sites,

Cheers

[Old Man River]

Suthep voted for democracy when he claimed the 'no votes' were really his votes!

Abhisit voted for democracy when he launched Constitutional Court challenges against the government for calling a state of emergency which they claim made the election less 'fair'. Although how it can be less fair to a party that isn't running, and has zero standing to even launch such a case, is beyond me!

Who would you have s dictator? Suthep? Abhisit? Who? What do you do when they change their mind as to who should be dictator?!

What happens if you can't agree on who should be dictator? Have a fight to the death? Some sort of vote? What?

What happens when dictator dies? It is family inherits dictatorship, like North Korea? Or do they pick a new one by committee like China?

Another Nation fantasy propaganda piece, but which dictator does Nation want and what happens when the Nation editor changes his mind? Does he then get thrown to dogs like in North Korea, or does he follow whoever has the most guns and hope they win and dictator battle! And what happens if the dictator Nation wants is different from the dictator BangkokPost wants is different from the dictator BlueSky wants?

What happens if the Dems/Suthep/Abhisit can't agree on the subset of people eligable to vote? What happens if Suthep wants palm farmers to have a vote but not rice farmers. What if Abhisit wants only University qualified people to have the vote but not soldiers or students?

All good questions.

Look at Singapore as that was the direction Thaksin was headed. It's still a democracy, not a dictatorship. Other countries are happy. Even the US. Control, pretty much in one family. Does it sound familiar?

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

Edited February 12, 2014 by Old Man River

[gemini81]

Loved Blue Nosed Codger's piece.

Nobody knows what they want to replace democracy with, they all leave that to Suthep and have some airy fairy idea that all will be well.

Everybody outside this fantasy tale knows, it can't work. Suthep and Korn fell out on day one. So it's either or with them two.

What can they do? What if Suthep does not like it?

Who next. Thats obvious. Its Sutheps Son/stepson Akanant. So it is the North Korea route. No chance of getting them out without civil war for over 30 years.

Crazy days when they can fill a paper with this guff and all around there are armed Militia supporting a coup and actively pushing the army to do so.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Many thai's are very alert to the dangers of PDRC. Not in the media, but certainly in the streets where Suthep is facing riducule by photo all day everyday on instagram, twitter and Pantip. One stage was pumping out to ONE person yesterday and we put the pics on here to demostrate what is happening.

Didn't know all the bar girls were into pantip, twitter and instagram. Thanks for keeping us in the loop with the duped.

Shows how little you know about the people of Thailand, but for you-all is appropriate as many of the yellows never venture far from the bars: that is the only part on the country they have seen.

Many of the teens in the village come to visit the kids, who have their own computers and post on the social sites,

Cheers

Shows how little you know of Thailand- they're not in yellow and consist of many sectors of society now.

Shows also how little you know of sarcasm.

[retarius]

The author of this piece of rubbish has no idea of what democracy is. In democracies, elections are carried out according to a set of rules, usually set down in a constitution. The rules specify under what circumstances a candidate is elected, and under what circumstances governments can be formed.

In Thailand as in many countries with long democratic traditions like the UK or the US, the proportion of eligible voter who vote is an irrelevant statistic in who forms the government. In the UK a candidate can be elected even if he is voted for by say, 10% of eligible voters, if the there candidates get less than 10%, even if the turnout is very low as in elections for the European Parliament. The only statistic in who wins a candidacy is whether he/she was FPTP in the constituency. Turn out in US presidential elections rarely exceeds 50%...in 2012 only ca 120 million voted out of a population of about 350 million. Turn out matters tactically as certain demographics have different propensities to vote. Broadly speaking retirees are more likely to vote than younger people and so forth.

Thailand has a combination of FPTP and PR for party list MPs. The turnout is irrelevant, particularly if the opposition are booking the polling stations, which is eerily reminiscent of the early days of fascism in Germany. PT won the most recent election, fair and square, as they did the previous election and under another name won the two elections before that. The Democrats cannot win anything since the common people have lost their sense of deference to the elites who have raped the country. Put simply there are more poor people who are prepared to voted that musty old backward looking elites and their not-very-intelligent stooges. Stop whining and finish the election, put the folk who prevented democracy last time around in jail, and let's get back to governing the country.

The competence of the government is also irrelevant. I happen to think that, although charming, Yingluck is economically challenged. Thailand alos has a problem with corruption, and the international data clearly show that corruption increased under Thaksin, it increased under Abhisit and it increased under Yingluck. Please don't try to make any arguments about the Dems being less corrupt, to simply is not supported b any data whatsoever. The other problem Thailand has is the effectiveness of its institutions. Almost without exception, the institutions like the police, the constitutional court, the election commission (and the weather service, the immigration service and uncle tom cobly) are all ineffective and riddled with corruption.

The constitutional court and election commission are supposed to sort out this mess which was not foreseen in the constitution...they have failed miserably and are partisan. This does not make for a very good outcome in the future. Either the PT will have yet another legitimate election stolen which will leave bad feelings or the PRDC will end up in jail and have bad feelings.

The most laughable part of the whole farce was Abhisit trying to have the election annulled because people were unable to vote, because his goons were blocking the polling stations...he should be in jail, along with Suthep.

[FangFerang]

I have only been here for three years. That is the worst Nation article I have ever read. It has internal logical inconsistencies, begs the question so many times that the question expired and was cremated before this non-news made any pages in pulp or web. The article (evoking disgust at calling it anything else but the verbose fecal content it supremely embodies) hints at assumptions but never defines them, and then fails to reach conclusions... like a washing machine attempting to simultaneously print a Gutenberg Bible and lay fresh dinosaur eggs.

The aspiring writer must be related to one of the Nation's owners or controllers, I hope. That is the only way that any idiot would allow such mindless drivel to pose as news. If the writer was hired and paid for this on...'merit'....the news in Thailand is beyond hopeless here.

[tingtongteesood]

The 'Democratic' system doesn't work here as it stands at the moment.

Suteb wants 'democracy' put on hold for a short time so that reforms can take place and all the problems can be sorted out. The system is broken, it needs to be fixed so that autocracy, plutocracy, Taksinocracy can not happen here again.

Once this is done then maybe the system will work and real 'democracy' can exist here.

As for what all the Suteb haters are whining on about, they just don't seem to get it and would rather live under dictator Taksin and corruption everywhere. NO THANKS.

Reform is very much nee3ded and I support that notion.

[smutcakes]

The 'Democratic' system doesn't work here as it stands at the moment.

Suteb wants 'democracy' put on hold for a short time so that reforms can take place and all the problems can be sorted out. The system is broken, it needs to be fixed so that autocracy, plutocracy, Taksinocracy can not happen here again.

Once this is done then maybe the system will work and real 'democracy' can exist here.

As for what all the Suteb haters are whining on about, they just don't seem to get it and would rather live under dictator Taksin and corruption everywhere. NO THANKS.

Reform is very much nee3ded and I support that notion.

So the question still remains unanswered by you or Suthep, just who will carry out the reforms, and what mandate do they have to do it?

[rogerdee123]

The majority balks at democracy?!!!

My God! How will Jonathan Head & BBC ever be able to report this "complication".

[FangFerang]

Loved Blue Nosed Codger's piece.

Nobody knows what they want to replace democracy with, they all leave that to Suthep and have some airy fairy idea that all will be well.

Everybody outside this fantasy tale knows, it can't work. Suthep and Korn fell out on day one. So it's either or with them two.

What can they do? What if Suthep does not like it?

Who next. Thats obvious. Its Sutheps Son/stepson Akanant. So it is the North Korea route. No chance of getting them out without civil war for over 30 years.

Crazy days when they can fill a paper with this guff and all around there are armed Militia supporting a coup and actively pushing the army to do so.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Many thai's are very alert to the dangers of PDRC. Not in the media, but certainly in the streets where Suthep is facing riducule by photo all day everyday on instagram, twitter and Pantip. One stage was pumping out to ONE person yesterday and we put the pics on here to demostrate what is happening.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Well why don't you go to pantip where all you buddies are and leave us in peace! I liked the bit "Not on this forum" Is you mission to convert the none believers on here, We don't convert so easily, We are able to think for ourselves and see the bullshit that is PTP.

We aren't buying your bullshit, not today not tomorrow not ever. OK.

If you like stating the obvious perhaps you should write it in a diary instead of here or publically.

Who among the regular posters (and the developing regular posters) expects to convince the other poster that the side he's on and promotes repeatedly, often stridently and combatively is wrong? I'm not trying to convince you and your side of anything. Posters post their point of view not to surrender or modify it, but to promote it, and to do so totally and in full. No poster here changes his mind or side. The few posters that pretend to be neutral kid only themselves.

For most of my time here I've posted to those who visit the site to read, because in the process they themselves sort out the BS from the real arguments - most recently to sort out the fahlang fascists from the fahlang democrats. None of you are going to turn me to fascism and, unfortunately but 100% true, I'm not going to turn tea party types abroad into democrats.

Fahlang fascists have self-deported to richer fields here in Thailand, for which the local fascists are eternally grateful.

This post is the vivid illustration of the point I make. Your post is equally so. I'll let the hundreds of readers who daily visit the Forum, sometimes a few thousand, sort all of us to themselves. I do believe that in the long run truth does gravitate to the vast majority of people who are in the political center-middle wherever it is they come from, which means your side gets flushed, as is already occurring.

There you go - going, going, gone. Bye.

"No poster here changes his mind or side. The few posters that pretend to be neutral kid only themselves."

Seems you forgot something mate. People on the fringe, like yourself, need the middle to exist, otherwise there cannot be a fringe; nonetheless, beyond the hasty generalizations, black and white thinking and ad hominem attacks, you almost made sense a few times, very nearly.

[pipkins]

3 months in and no clear idea at all from the PDRC. Less still from their fanclub.

As it's a slow news day - only 7 rice articles to go at try a few of the followin.

Who is going to appoint Poodles Council? What will the make up be? all intellects, few working class (sorry stupid i know)

Will they be vetted,

will they be proposed by others and if so based on what?

Who can propose? can anybody be proposed from anywalk of life?

Who chooses the proposers?

Who sets the ground rules for who can and can't be included. (yes thaksin out we know,,, but who's in)

Will they be interviewed, background checks?

Will they need a degree? will it be in relevant subjects? will this exclude the majority of the population that cannot afford to buy a degree?

Who says yes or now.

PDRC said they would have 100 of the seat? Would they just!! Which 100? and do the Dems know?

Are they in for a period of time, all time, as much time as they need or just plain (UNTIL THEY ARE DEPOSED AGAIN)

Will they have to take a vow to anybody, any set of rules etc?

What if during their period in office, they see something obviously not working and need to oppose the direction?

What will they reform? everything?

Who will be the new police? The PDRC Guards.

This and a thousand questions go totally unanswered and many just slavishly posting troll comments instead of reasoned proposal.

What if, your reasoned proposal is not drastic enough for the Poodles Council? You've lost your vote and have no chance to alter the course of it?

Wake up Thailand. You're walking the musollinni walk of the 1920's

Edited February 12, 2014 by pipkins

[bigbamboo]

I still have this nagging feeling that Sooty is secretly working for Tacky. Crazy as it may sound how else can you explain the way the Dems have managed to throw away their best chance of winning an election in twenty years against the worst government Thailand has had in that time.

[MaxLee]

there is no true democracy in thailand ...elites control the system, try being poor and just see how many rights you have, be middle class and enter a Thai court you are a ZERO

Be a non Thai and see how many rights you have ...ZERO

Democracy is a buzz word nothing else here

right,... the rich and influential get away with crime and even murder,

We have perpetually lazy voters who don't care either way and who must have contributed to the low voter turn-out of the February 2 general election. Voting was incomplete in several constituencies and no results have been made official yet. But it's still a fair question, no matter how tricky it sounds.

And on top of that the majority deep down their heart and throat accept self serving corruption, end of the line...

[Emster23]

Democracy is not a spectator sport. Shit or get off the pot. Get in it or shut up. Can't win elections? Then change! The logic is so illogical and nonsensical in this piece.... It would be similar to my saying "More people in USA didn't watch superbowl than did, hence, Americans don't like the superbowl".

[ggold]

3 months in and no clear idea at all from the PDRC. Less still from their fanclub.

As it's a slow news day - only 7 rice articles to go at try a few of the followin.

Who is going to appoint Poodles Council? What will the make up be? all intellects, few working class (sorry stupid i know)

Will they be vetted,

will they be proposed by others and if so based on what?

Who can propose? can anybody be proposed from anywalk of life?

Who chooses the proposers?

Who sets the ground rules for who can and can't be included. (yes thaksin out we know,,, but who's in)

Will they be interviewed, background checks?

Will they need a degree? will it be in relevant subjects? will this exclude the majority of the population that cannot afford to buy a degree?

Who says yes or now.

PDRC said they would have 100 of the seat? Would they just!! Which 100? and do the Dems know?

Are they in for a period of time, all time, as much time as they need or just plain (UNTIL THEY ARE DEPOSED AGAIN)

Will they have to take a vow to anybody, any set of rules etc?

What if during their period in office, they see something obviously not working and need to oppose the direction?

What will they reform? everything?

Who will be the new police? The PDRC Guards.

This and a thousand questions go totally unanswered and many just slavishly posting troll comments instead of reasoned proposal.

What if, your reasoned proposal is not drastic enough for the Poodles Council? You've lost your vote and have no chance to alter the course of it?

Wake up Thailand. You're walking the musollinni walk of the 1920's

For a person who seems to know all there is to know about everything to do with the current political situation! Maybe you would like to enlighten us all as to what the answers are to the above questions. Then maybe you would like to enlighten us as to what PTP should do if they manage to form the next government after all the votes have been counted?

[Publicus]

Loved Blue Nosed Codger's piece.

Nobody knows what they want to replace democracy with, they all leave that to Suthep and have some airy fairy idea that all will be well.

Everybody outside this fantasy tale knows, it can't work. Suthep and Korn fell out on day one. So it's either or with them two.

What can they do? What if Suthep does not like it?

Who next. Thats obvious. Its Sutheps Son/stepson Akanant. So it is the North Korea route. No chance of getting them out without civil war for over 30 years.

Crazy days when they can fill a paper with this guff and all around there are armed Militia supporting a coup and actively pushing the army to do so.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Many thai's are very alert to the dangers of PDRC. Not in the media, but certainly in the streets where Suthep is facing riducule by photo all day everyday on instagram, twitter and Pantip. One stage was pumping out to ONE person yesterday and we put the pics on here to demostrate what is happening.

Lucky there is balance. Not on this forum, but there is a lot of media countering this nonsense and Pantip, twitter are really getting their message out as real media read and feed from these media more than twitter.

Well why don't you go to pantip where all you buddies are and leave us in peace! I liked the bit "Not on this forum" Is you mission to convert the none believers on here, We don't convert so easily, We are able to think for ourselves and see the bullshit that is PTP.

We aren't buying your bullshit, not today not tomorrow not ever. OK.

If you like stating the obvious perhaps you should write it in a diary instead of here or publically.

Who among the regular posters (and the developing regular posters) expects to convince the other poster that the side he's on and promotes repeatedly, often stridently and combatively is wrong? I'm not trying to convince you and your side of anything. Posters post their point of view not to surrender or modify it, but to promote it, and to do so totally and in full. No poster here changes his mind or side. The few posters that pretend to be neutral kid only themselves.

For most of my time here I've posted to those who visit the site to read, because in the process they themselves sort out the BS from the real arguments - most recently to sort out the fahlang fascists from the fahlang democrats. None of you are going to turn me to fascism and, unfortunately but 100% true, I'm not going to turn tea party types abroad into democrats.

Fahlang fascists have self-deported to richer fields here in Thailand, for which the local fascists are eternally grateful.

This post is the vivid illustration of the point I make. Your post is equally so. I'll let the hundreds of readers who daily visit the Forum, sometimes a few thousand, sort all of us to themselves. I do believe that in the long run truth does gravitate to the vast majority of people who are in the political center-middle wherever it is they come from, which means your side gets flushed, as is already occurring.

There you go - going, going, gone. Bye.

"No poster here changes his mind or side. The few posters that pretend to be neutral kid only themselves."

Seems you forgot something mate. People on the fringe, like yourself, need the middle to exist, otherwise there cannot be a fringe; nonetheless, beyond the hasty generalizations, black and white thinking and ad hominem attacks, you almost made sense a few times, very nearly.

Yet another illustration, thank you.

He who laffs last and all of that.

[Old Man River]

The 'Democratic' system doesn't work here as it stands at the moment.

Suteb wants 'democracy' put on hold for a short time so that reforms can take place and all the problems can be sorted out. The system is broken, it needs to be fixed so that autocracy, plutocracy, Taksinocracy can not happen here again.

Once this is done then maybe the system will work and real 'democracy' can exist here.

As for what all the Suteb haters are whining on about, they just don't seem to get it and would rather live under dictator Taksin and corruption everywhere. NO THANKS.

Reform is very much nee3ded and I support that notion.

So the question still remains unanswered by you or Suthep, just who will carry out the reforms, and what mandate do they have to do it?

We may never know. This is a country where many deals are done face to face and never publicized. With a coup everybody knows, but many deals just get done. Something's up.

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[pipkins]

3 months in and no clear idea at all from the PDRC. Less still from their fanclub.

As it's a slow news day - only 7 rice articles to go at try a few of the followin.

Who is going to appoint Poodles Council? What will the make up be? all intellects, few working class (sorry stupid i know)

Will they be vetted,

will they be proposed by others and if so based on what?

Who can propose? can anybody be proposed from anywalk of life?

Who chooses the proposers?

Who sets the ground rules for who can and can't be included. (yes thaksin out we know,,, but who's in)

Will they be interviewed, background checks?

Will they need a degree? will it be in relevant subjects? will this exclude the majority of the population that cannot afford to buy a degree?

Who says yes or now.

PDRC said they would have 100 of the seat? Would they just!! Which 100? and do the Dems know?

Are they in for a period of time, all time, as much time as they need or just plain (UNTIL THEY ARE DEPOSED AGAIN)

Will they have to take a vow to anybody, any set of rules etc?

What if during their period in office, they see something obviously not working and need to oppose the direction?

What will they reform? everything?

Who will be the new police? The PDRC Guards.

This and a thousand questions go totally unanswered and many just slavishly posting troll comments instead of reasoned proposal.

What if, your reasoned proposal is not drastic enough for the Poodles Council? You've lost your vote and have no chance to alter the course of it?

Wake up Thailand. You're walking the musollinni walk of the 1920's

For a person who seems to know all there is to know about everything to do with the current political situation! Maybe you would like to enlighten us all as to what the answers are to the above questions. Then maybe you would like to enlighten us as to what PTP should do if they manage to form the next government after all the votes have been counted?

So, thats once again... "no ideas from you." Well done, I knew none of you knew what you were spouting about.

PT. If they Govern Democratically and bring about real reforms of the system to prevent future coups. I'm happy.

Please ... Have a think now and just have a go at one or two questions. You can ask your friends if you not sure what to say

[RubbaJohnny]

Numbers are low for several reasons not all adumbrated by the OP

1 Not all seats had a candidate

2 Not all seats had the prefereed party of an elector

3 No one can possibly quantify but there must ineviatbly be some voters turned off by

a) confusion

apathy as they feared their effort cost of travel time off work would be invalidated

c) worst of all actual fear of violence and intimidation,hard to imagine the infirm ,in wheelchairs or bedbound would risk assault,guns,mobs to reach a barricaded or blocked polling station.

What is seldom discussed is if the authority cannot defend the democratic right to vote for an or all what hopee would it have aginst properly armed insurgents.

A very twisted headline which suggests

The majority may prefer to not have their own wishes enacted.

Oxymoron in a land of censored propaganda

[ggold]

3 months in and no clear idea at all from the PDRC. Less still from their fanclub.

As it's a slow news day - only 7 rice articles to go at try a few of the followin.

Who is going to appoint Poodles Council? What will the make up be? all intellects, few working class (sorry stupid i know)

Will they be vetted,

will they be proposed by others and if so based on what?

Who can propose? can anybody be proposed from anywalk of life?

Who chooses the proposers?

Who sets the ground rules for who can and can't be included. (yes thaksin out we know,,, but who's in)

Will they be interviewed, background checks?

Will they need a degree? will it be in relevant subjects? will this exclude the majority of the population that cannot afford to buy a degree?

Who says yes or now.

PDRC said they would have 100 of the seat? Would they just!! Which 100? and do the Dems know?

Are they in for a period of time, all time, as much time as they need or just plain (UNTIL THEY ARE DEPOSED AGAIN)

Will they have to take a vow to anybody, any set of rules etc?

What if during their period in office, they see something obviously not working and need to oppose the direction?

What will they reform? everything?

Who will be the new police? The PDRC Guards.

This and a thousand questions go totally unanswered and many just slavishly posting troll comments instead of reasoned proposal.

What if, your reasoned proposal is not drastic enough for the Poodles Council? You've lost your vote and have no chance to alter the course of it?

Wake up Thailand. You're walking the musollinni walk of the 1920's

For a person who seems to know all there is to know about everything to do with the current political situation! Maybe you would like to enlighten us all as to what the answers are to the above questions. Then maybe you would like to enlighten us as to what PTP should do if they manage to form the next government after all the votes have been counted?

So, thats once again... "no ideas from you." Well done, I knew none of you knew what you were spouting about.

PT. If they Govern Democratically and bring about real reforms of the system to prevent future coups. I'm happy.

Please ... Have a think now and just have a go at one or two questions. You can ask your friends if you not sure what to say

merely trying to avoid you claiming anyone elses views are wrong, I wouldn't presume to know what suthep might or might not do if he succeeded in ousting the caretaker government!

But one more question if I may, without being accused of not having an idea just because you won't answer the questions you put forward.

PT. If they Govern Democratically and bring about real reforms of the system to prevent future coups. I'm happy.

which coup is that? the peoples coup or the armies coup? can a protest by the people be called a coup? Maybe it's democratic protest when the people see the corruption involved. Which leads to a governments collapse?

Do you really believe, when PT have shown just how democratic they are with the corrupted rice scam etc, that they would really be interested in reforms when we have seen what their first attempt has achieved, even some of their own supporting red shirts are opposed to the amnesty bill!

[3NUMBAS]

they would rather scroll on their smartphone zzzzzzzzzzzzzz brain cells gone to pot

[JeffreyWitty]

So many ridiculous points made in the article. I would have thought an imbecile wrote it.