and vowed to put up eye for eye and tooth for tooth fight to protect democracy

If you want to protect democracy, you should stop voting PTP and form a new moderate mainstream party representing agrarian/factory workers and the struggling middle classes, with a relentless ironshod political agenda of reforming infrastructure and establishing a new age of protective regulation across the board.

While we may disagree on what protective regulation means, I think we agree that if democracy is to make it in Thailand, it needs one or more political parties representing upcountry. In addition, the Dem's have to, once again, become a political party, not boycott this and boycott that...

I had a similar discussion pre-protest, but as the only 'farang' in the room, I knew I didn't stand a chance. Sadly, if we had the discussion today, nobody will have budged from their position.

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This is getting positively neanderthal.

....psycho.....bringing the expression 'seeing red'.....to another .....totally absurd level.......

I saw the topic and thought they were talking about that little fat comedian on TV and in movies.

Does someone knows who is the abbot that is financing this disgraceful apprentice of Robert Mugabe?

That would be very interesting to know.

Sure not this one?

(after all, why would only Chalerm have the privilege to disguise himself?)

How come he's not in custody yet?

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Freedom of speech?

Ko Te, aka "Kotex" is a real maxi-pad. He still thinks he is in the Stone Age, when you can run around assaulting people with no consequences.... someone needs to ship him off into a time capsule and drop him back 1 million BC or at least lock him into the movie set Planet of the Apes!

Ko Te's behavior reminds me of the red shirts when they were sitting in front of Central World shooting off bottle rockets and sending up ceremonial balloons to destroy army helicopters.... remember that? I seriously am amazed at how primitive man can live in a civilized society... that I was only a few streets away from all this forced me to question my own mental and social development!!!

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If Kotee knew where that expression came from I doubt he would be so fond of it.

Excellent comment, Khun Kotee. More than a few of the BKK elite made or increased their fortune playing all sides and trafficking in war materiel and humanitarian supplies throughout the various wars in Indochina. I'm quite certain those Tachew merchants will welcome your insurgency and even covertly support you. And as various lesser elites meet the knives of your vengeance said super-elites will busy themselves mopping up the businesses interests left behind, further tightening their control of the economy. Perhaps you'll be rewarded with a minor shred of one of these enterprises, thus ensuring your lineage's passage into fold. Remember the mantra: "Adhere and prosper."

This ill-informed idiot thug can't even realize he's doing a disservice to PT with his idiot rambles

How does it feel to be a champion of thugs and dumbas$es, KoTee?

good, let just the leaders get their choice of weapons and let them duke it out ( and sell tickets to the event.

if they thought they would actually get hurt, and not their followers, they would run away.

A thai guy who dears to stand up against the mighty! Not many of them.

Kotee is abolutely right. The criminal insurrectionist Suthep and his misguided (probably equally criminal) followers have trespassed on large areas of Bangkok in recent weeks and have obstructed elections. But despite this utterly criminal activity - and surely obstructing elections is almost the worst crime you can commit in a democracy - Suthep and his associates have been allowed to carry on with their crimes in flagrant disregard of national laws.

Why did the Army and the Police not intervene to arrest these crooks, as Kotee suggests?

It seems to me that the Red shirts and people like Kotee are among the few folks standing up for democracy in Siam these days.

(You can bet that the 80% of conservatives/Fox News viewers on ThaiVisa will disagree).

TV members and guests...these people could lay there hands on weapons in a split second.

As proven so many times.

BTW

Not only them!

Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha and his ilk are so worried about succession and his younger brother’s future post that secession is just a distraction he is willing to highlight to no end to make him feel powerful before he retires shortly with his fat pension.

He knows his Army in 2014 are not going to go along with another coup. If he does there will be a Civil War. Men like Kotee are everywhere! Millions of Thai's I assure you will fight back this time. I am sure Gen. Anupong his boss before him is off in retirement enjoying the mess he helped create in 2006. Most Northern Thai's know where he lives as well when it begins.

Younger Thai's I know are just now waking up, especially in the North and Northeast. They have been dumbed down their entire life. Made to believe fairy tales and lies. The ones that can read English fairly well go to many websites the Royal Thai Army / ICT would let's just say have a real problem with. Red shirt leaning websites as well as many foreign media have for over 7 years since the 2006 coup discussed who was behind all of it........??? and how to stop it from ever happening again.

Kotee might just have the timing down just perfect to rile up these newly awakended young Thai's

Real constitutional change is needed to bring this country into the modern world and the next generation of younger Thai's will need to fight hard to change many draconian laws that their parents and grandparents had to endure.

Great change is coming & it's about time.

Kotee, you tell to your cronies to attack protesters and civilian if for that army set bunker in BKK

Now There are no doubt about secessionist wish from your camp, you call for injustice, you just call to commit crime against the country

It's not the first time that he call to commit a crime. He already called for genocide and crimes against humanity at the end of January.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/10606562/Thai-red-shirts-leader-says-Its-time-to-get-rid-of-the-elite.html

"This is already a war, but so far it is an unarmed war," said Ko Tee. "If there is a coup, or the election doesn't happen, then it definitely becomes an armed war."

"I want there to be lots of violence to put an end to all this, I'm bored by speeches. It's time to clean the country, to get rid of the elite, all of them."

"If there is a coup, of course I'll go to Bangkok and fight. Millions of us will go. We'll fight in many different ways. If necessary, it will be like the Vietcong fighting the Americans in Vietnam: a guerrilla war."

A real Benjamin Netanyahu of Thailand. Every country seems to have a chief warmonger. He is talking a big talk, but one wonders how brave he would really be if the bullets started flying. Where are the peacemakers when they are needed? Is there any political intelligence out there to be had?

While we may disagree on what protective regulation means, I think we agree that if democracy is to make it in Thailand, it needs one or more political parties representing upcountry. In addition, the Dem's have to, once again, become a political party, not boycott this and boycott that...

I had a similar discussion pre-protest, but as the only 'farang' in the room, I knew I didn't stand a chance. Sadly, if we had the discussion today, nobody will have budged from their position.

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Yes I'm sorry, I lapsed into the nomenclature of my peergroup (again!), I should have typed out the full explanation. Protective regulation as used in my group, is a convenient general grouping of any legal and ground-level system that protects citizens directly ; for example laws regulating the safety of rail / road / workplace / food / water / medicines. Laws that monitor and capture corrupt players can also fall both inside and outside this grouping, depending on the situation. It is a convenient umbrella term.

Re; Thailand, we need a seachange, and a new party which sweeps aside the rot and is genuinely passionate about reforms, and can not rest until their vision of a prosperous and stable nation is realised. I think if such a party emerged they would be welcomed by the electorate in a truly jaw-dropping way. I still believe that Thailand has the suppressed kinetic energy to surprise many doubters, once a new progressive party emerges, the long held-back progress could leap forward in a shocking way.

Kotee is abolutely right. The criminal insurrectionist Suthep and his misguided (probably equally criminal) followers have trespassed on large areas of Bangkok in recent weeks and have obstructed elections. But despite this utterly criminal activity - and surely obstructing elections is almost the worst crime you can commit in a democracy - Suthep and his associates have been allowed to carry on with their crimes in flagrant disregard of national laws.

Why did the Army and the Police not intervene to arrest these crooks, as Kotee suggests?

It seems to me that the Red shirts and people like Kotee are among the few folks standing up for democracy in Siam these days.

(You can bet that the 80% of conservatives/Fox News viewers on ThaiVisa will disagree).

I see it's time for the comedy awards again. "criminal insurrectionist Suthep". 55555555555 Actually, it's pretty funny ANY time the shin-rouge start tossing around this notion of criminality, with their own cult leader on the lam outside the country... Would think certifiable crazies like this guy Kotee, who seem to popping up like daisies these days, would tend to throw a wet blanket on all the red silliness, but I guess not... I'm particularly entertained by the "insurrectionist" bit, now even funnier that the first sister is begging her followers to stop talking secession.

And yeah, you're right, it's a big conservative/Fox conspiracy.

While we may disagree on what protective regulation means, I think we agree that if democracy is to make it in Thailand, it needs one or more political parties representing upcountry. In addition, the Dem's have to, once again, become a political party, not boycott this and boycott that...

I had a similar discussion pre-protest, but as the only 'farang' in the room, I knew I didn't stand a chance. Sadly, if we had the discussion today, nobody will have budged from their position.

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Yes I'm sorry, I lapsed into the nomenclature of my peergroup (again!), I should have typed out the full explanation. Protective regulation as used in my group, is a convenient general grouping of any legal and ground-level system that protects citizens directly ; for example laws regulating the safety of rail / road / workplace / food / water / medicines. Laws that monitor and capture corrupt players can also fall both inside and outside this grouping, depending on the situation. It is a convenient umbrella term.

Re; Thailand, we need a seachange, and a new party which sweeps aside the rot and is genuinely passionate about reforms, and can not rest until their vision of a prosperous and stable nation is realised. I think if such a party emerged they would be welcomed by the electorate in a truly jaw-dropping way. I still believe that Thailand has the suppressed kinetic energy to surprise many doubters, once a new progressive party emerges, the long held-back progress could leap forward in a shocking way.

Thanks for the clarification. Often the laws are there, but the enforcement is not due to corruption. Such a party you mention would be a great start. For now, it would be part of a coalition, but not the major party of a coalition, since people have become used to getting money now, not promises of a better future. You can see it in the problems people are having with the PTP's unpaid IOU's.

It would take time, but it is needed for democracy to flourish. Hopefully we can see it in this life.

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Oh dear. One brain cell short of a buddy.

Kotee is abolutely right. The criminal insurrectionist Suthep and his misguided (probably equally criminal) followers have trespassed on large areas of Bangkok in recent weeks and have obstructed elections. But despite this utterly criminal activity - and surely obstructing elections is almost the worst crime you can commit in a democracy - Suthep and his associates have been allowed to carry on with their crimes in flagrant disregard of national laws.

Why did the Army and the Police not intervene to arrest these crooks, as Kotee suggests?

It seems to me that the Red shirts and people like Kotee are among the few folks standing up for democracy in Siam these days.

(You can bet that the 80% of conservatives/Fox News viewers on ThaiVisa will disagree).

And yet, I agree 100%. Interesting that as you accuse one side of bias or discrimination you feel it necessary to smear another group completely unrelated to the current discussion. True, the Red Shirts are much like tea party activists, struggling against the oppression of unelected elites, but Fox News has never seemed particularly sympathetic to the tea party. The yellows are most similar to fascists, and fascism is the right wing of the socialist movement (communism-socialism-fascism), so you would think that most Fox viewers, who tend to be anti-socialist, would support reds over yellows.

I wonder where he was making this statement?/ in his back yard talking to a tree perhaps ??

Kotee is abolutely right. The criminal insurrectionist Suthep and his misguided (probably equally criminal) followers have trespassed on large areas of Bangkok in recent weeks and have obstructed elections. But despite this utterly criminal activity - and surely obstructing elections is almost the worst crime you can commit in a democracy - Suthep and his associates have been allowed to carry on with their crimes in flagrant disregard of national laws.

Why did the Army and the Police not intervene to arrest these crooks, as Kotee suggests?

It seems to me that the Red shirts and people like Kotee are among the few folks standing up for democracy in Siam these days.

(You can bet that the 80% of conservatives/Fox News viewers on ThaiVisa will disagree).

I see it's time for the comedy awards again. "criminal insurrectionist Suthep". 55555555555 Actually, it's pretty funny ANY time the shin-rouge start tossing around this notion of criminality, with their own cult leader on the lam outside the country... Would think certifiable crazies like this guy Kotee, who seem to popping up like daisies these days, would tend to throw a wet blanket on all the red silliness, but I guess not... I'm particularly entertained by the "insurrectionist" bit, now even funnier that the first sister is begging her followers to stop talking secession.

And yeah, you're right, it's a big conservative/Fox conspiracy.

I am left speechless that anyone, even those with half a brain, would think of writing what tilac2 posted. I am absolutely stunned that any rational and caring human being can write or think this stuff. I am lost for words (for a change); but this I can say: The world is a bad and dangerous place because there are people willing to be the fodder for the nasties that want control - economically and politically. They are willing to believe these anti-democratic, anti-humanitarian dictators and sycophants. To me it is the equivalent of Al Queada minions blowing themselves up, or extreme protestants and muslims having a monopoly on truth and causing death and destruction to those around them who disagree. Fortunately the people I spend time with are intelligent and rational humanitarian folk and they too disagree with ideologues and they too fully understand the horrors that Thaksin has perpetrated on Thailand. But tilac (and his ilk)? Stay away from me, please!

Looks and talks like a nice sincere person. I guess I would trust him with my future and

investments. Have a concern over an abbot supporting him.

Kotee is abolutely right. The criminal insurrectionist Suthep and his misguided (probably equally criminal) followers have trespassed on large areas of Bangkok in recent weeks and have obstructed elections. But despite this utterly criminal activity - and surely obstructing elections is almost the worst crime you can commit in a democracy - Suthep and his associates have been allowed to carry on with their crimes in flagrant disregard of national laws.

Why did the Army and the Police not intervene to arrest these crooks, as Kotee suggests?

It seems to me that the Red shirts and people like Kotee are among the few folks standing up for democracy in Siam these days.

(You can bet that the 80% of conservatives/Fox News viewers on ThaiVisa will disagree).

And yet, I agree 100%. Interesting that as you accuse one side of bias or discrimination you feel it necessary to smear another group completely unrelated to the current discussion. True, the Red Shirts are much like tea party activists, struggling against the oppression of unelected elites, but Fox News has never seemed particularly sympathetic to the tea party. The yellows are most similar to fascists, and fascism is the right wing of the socialist movement (communism-socialism-fascism), so you would think that most Fox viewers, who tend to be anti-socialist, would support reds over yellows.

What codswallop

How are any if the people of Thailand disadvantaged by anything the anti-government protests have done?

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How bizarre. To equate the exercise of free speech and public protest with "fascism", while at the same time bowing to the dictates of a fugitive criminal abroad and acting outside the national constitution is "democracy". Talk about upside down.

Can you just IMAGINE the red reaction if it were Suthep or Abhisit that had said this?! (Actually, they tend to get summarily condemned for the far less provocative. Thaksinistas have a much different standard for them. They have to. Neither one of them has been convicted & sentenced to anything yet...)

Watched both the red channel and the blue channel last night. It's clear there is a different tone. But it's the other way around. The reds constantly use bad language and swearing about the opposing side, they also talk about taking up arms and a final showdown. The blue channel showed a speech of Suthep in which the worst word he used was calling Yingluck "dowk mai" which of course is a reference to another word (Dowk Thong) but still very polite. He did however say that after all the threats and lies he was not in a state for any useless conversations with her now. A bit hard, I can understand if on the same day you invite someone for talks, you press for another warrant for his arrest. Kotee can't figure why the army has to protect innocent protestors who do not carry rocket launchers or grenades such as the likes of him? Well I guess most people CAN.

While we may disagree on what protective regulation means, I think we agree that if democracy is to make it in Thailand, it needs one or more political parties representing upcountry. In addition, the Dem's have to, once again, become a political party, not boycott this and boycott that...

I had a similar discussion pre-protest, but as the only 'farang' in the room, I knew I didn't stand a chance. Sadly, if we had the discussion today, nobody will have budged from their position.

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Yes I'm sorry, I lapsed into the nomenclature of my peergroup (again!), I should have typed out the full explanation. Protective regulation as used in my group, is a convenient general grouping of any legal and ground-level system that protects citizens directly ; for example laws regulating the safety of rail / road / workplace / food / water / medicines. Laws that monitor and capture corrupt players can also fall both inside and outside this grouping, depending on the situation. It is a convenient umbrella term.

Re; Thailand, we need a seachange, and a new party which sweeps aside the rot and is genuinely passionate about reforms, and can not rest until their vision of a prosperous and stable nation is realised. I think if such a party emerged they would be welcomed by the electorate in a truly jaw-dropping way. I still believe that Thailand has the suppressed kinetic energy to surprise many doubters, once a new progressive party emerges, the long held-back progress could leap forward in a shocking way.

Thanks for the clarification. Often the laws are there, but the enforcement is not due to corruption. Such a party you mention would be a great start. For now, it would be part of a coalition, but not the major party of a coalition, since people have become used to getting money now, not promises of a better future. You can see it in the problems people are having with the PTP's unpaid IOU's.

It would take time, but it is needed for democracy to flourish. Hopefully we can see it in this life.

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Well it all looks good on paper and sounds good but where are the people going to come from to form this new party?

I have a little bit of a different view on the Democrats than most. I feel if they had not refused to join in the past election nothing would have changed. The PTP would have been back in power. Albeit with a few less seats. Still enough to run their my way or the Highway system. The Democrats were the opposition but the PTP with there red shirt coworkers had enough power to over look them. They were even not allowed to talk at times.

It would seem that the other parties agreed with the PTP way of governing so I would not look for much support from them in forming a new party bent on reform and improving the lot of the every day working Thai.

When there is a vote of 305 to 3 to white wash Thaksin it pretty well tells us where there priorities are. Defiantly 305 people who would be unsuitable for a new party to reform Thailand.

Where are the people to come from to form this new party and will the red shirts let them or try to stop them through intimidation and violence both methods they have used in order to gain the power they now have.

So as I see it you not only need the people but you have to find away to safely discard the trouble makers.