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Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

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wprime Gold Member

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Anyone see this image floating around? Looks like a plane, can't seem to find it on Google Maps at the co-ords in the URL though.

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Tywais Star Member

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Lots of talk among professional pilots, nearly all they talk about now.

Fate of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 will prove us right or wrong: Indian pilots

KOLKATA: Even as the world waits with bated breath to know about the fate of 239 passengers and crew on board Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that went missing five days ago, pilots of Indian carriers are uneasy over technical aspects of the incident that are yet unexplained.

Such is the sense of puzzlement and discomfort that it is the only subject of discussion in the fraternity. "Till the plane disappeared, there were discussions and debates on the crucial elections here less than a month from now. But all that has receded. The mystery of flight MH370 is the only subject being discussed in pilots' gatherings at airline offices and clubs around the country," said Jet Airways captain Sarvesh Gupta.

Both Jet Airways and Air India use Boeing B777-ER, identical to the Malaysia Airlines mystery plane, in overseas operations. While the plane has an excellent safety record, having been involved in only two accidents since its induction nearly 12 years ago, the latest mystery has rattled pilots who have their own theories but are anxious to find out if they are correct.

"It is an eerie feeling that will persist till the wreckage is found. It will take a couple of years or even more before investigation into the incident is completed and all the questions are answered. But the condition of the wreckage and its location will at least give preliminary clues on which basic conclusions can be drawn," Gupta told TOI from Jordan.

Captain Jaideep Banerjee concurred. "I have a theory like all pilots do about what happened on Saturday night. We are waiting for the wreckage to surface because it will either prove us right or wrong. If it is right, it means we are on the job. If not, it is a signal that we need to pull up our socks or look at aspects of the flight system that were unknown to behave in that manner before," he said.

Banerjee is convinced the plane disintegrated mid-air at 30,000 ft following a structural failure, giving the pilots no time to send a distress alert. "Had the pilot had time, even if he was beyond radio coverage, all he needed to do was just change the transponder code to 7700. That is the standard alert code," he said.

If a plane disintegrates at that altitude, it will be blown to smithereens and debris will scatter over 80-sq km radius. Even when the Air France flight 447 disappeared in June 2009, it took four days to locate the debris. But what either Banerjee or Gupta cannot make sense is why the Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT), a device that is on board the aircraft and switches on automatically to transmit signals to dedicated search and rescue satellites on impact with land or contact with water, is not functioning.

More here - TimesofIndia

shawndoc Silver Member

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So, the reports of it being tracked heading west say it was still at 30,000 feet when it went off radar (no idea if that means out of radar range or not). So if it was still at that height, why would it be in the straights? It auto pilot was active, it would have kept flying.

Of course, that contradicts the people on the mainland saying they heard jet engine noises during the night.

wprime Gold Member

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If the life rafts were out, it means they did a water landing in tact and began evacuation procedures - which means by now they're all dead but we can sleep easier knowing they might have had a chance of rescuing some people had they acted quicker.

Tywais Star Member

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An entertaining article below. Only posting the last paragraph as a synopsis.

The irony is that buried in this avalanche of speculation there are some really interesting stories that have been largely ignored. How is it, for example, that for all the supposed increases in airline security in the wake of 9/11, checkpoints at airports are so bad that people with stolen passports can apparently travel at will? And why is it that in an era of high-speed 4G broadband, when 40-year-old technology can transmit data back from beyond the edge of the solar system, we still have to send ships and divers to retrieve data from a plane, rather than simply transmitting it in real time?

To me, these questions—and others—are far more interesting than invisible Muslim militant groups or government laser beams.

Read full article here - vice.com

shawndoc Silver Member

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Anyone see this image floating around? Looks like a plane, can't seem to find it on Google Maps at the co-ords in the URL though.

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Images in Google Maps are usually months, if not years old. Its not unusual to find images with planes or other activities captured at the time the photo was taken.

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Article states

However, a Kuala Linggi MMEA spokesman said the raft sunk into the sea while they were trying to bring the raft onboard.

... now, seriously... What the heck is going on there.

Was it even the right type of life raft to have come off a 777?

Tywais Star Member

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However, a Kuala Linggi MMEA spokesman said the raft sunk into the sea while they were trying to bring the raft onboard.

... now, seriously... What the heck is going on there.

Was it even the right type of life raft to have come off a 777?

There is a photo, assuming not a file photo, of the raft in the link which investigators can use to make a determination.

sunshine51 Platinum Member

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^^^^Aye lads & Lasies....loosing a life raft seems quite inappropriate eh?!

Also it appears that the life raft in question is not from an aircraft but

a maritime craft or so posters on the pprune site have stated. You know

something....we live in tropics....it's warm here all year round...but we're

all getting a huge snow job from those who are supposedly initiating this

"information".

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PORT DICKSON: A group of fishermen found a life raft bearing the word “Boarding” 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson town at 12pm yesterday.

One of the fishermen, Azman Mohamad, 40, said they found the badly damaged raft floating and immediately notified the Kuala Linggi Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) in Malacca for assistance to lift the raft as it was very heavy.

"We managed to tie it to our boat as we feared it would sink due to the damages," he said.

When the MMEA boat arrived, the fishermen then handed over the raft into their custody.

However, a Kuala Linggi MMEA spokesman said the raft sunk into the sea while they were trying to bring the raft onboard.

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Tywais Star Member

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I would say the odds are very high that is a maritime raft very similar to the below maritime raft. The orange 'tent' is a give away. The one below even says Boarding.

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jpinx Platinum Member

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Wrong type of raft. Airliners use their escape chutes as rafts. That looks like it might be off a commercial ship or an oil-rig.

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PORT DICKSON: A group of fishermen found a life raft bearing the word “Boarding” 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson town at 12pm yesterday.

One of the fishermen, Azman Mohamad, 40, said they found the badly damaged raft floating and immediately notified the Kuala Linggi Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) in Malacca for assistance to lift the raft as it was very heavy.

"We managed to tie it to our boat as we feared it would sink due to the damages," he said.

When the MMEA boat arrived, the fishermen then handed over the raft into their custody.

However, a Kuala Linggi MMEA spokesman said the raft sunk into the sea while they were trying to bring the raft onboard.

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Staggering incompetence if they can't even get an empty life-raft on board. The fishermen did better!

laolover88 Silver Member

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An entertaining article below. Only posting the last paragraph as a synopsis.

The irony is that buried in this avalanche of speculation there are some really interesting stories that have been largely ignored. How is it, for example, that for all the supposed increases in airline security in the wake of 9/11, checkpoints at airports are so bad that people with stolen passports can apparently travel at will? And why is it that in an era of high-speed 4G broadband, when 40-year-old technology can transmit data back from beyond the edge of the solar system, we still have to send ships and divers to retrieve data from a plane, rather than simply transmitting it in real time?

To me, these questionsand othersare far more interesting than invisible Muslim militant groups or government laser beams.

Read full article here - vice.com

What Martin Robbins has to say is very insightful. Developments in procedures and/or technologies often result as a

consequence of an accident or disaster. In this case the most obvious one is that, after the PanAm crash, unaccompanied

baggage was no longer allowed. It will be interesting to see what lessons are learned and what results from this bizarre occurrence.

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I would say the odds are very high that is a maritime raft very similar to the below maritime raft. The orange 'tent' is a give away. The one below even says Boarding.

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Nice find Tywais... How is the world did MMEA lose a life raft that was tied to a fishing

boat, perhaps a critical piece of evidence ?? When this episode is over, I suspect a lot

of people are going to lose their jobs as Malaysia is coming off as the laughing stock of

the world.

jpinx Platinum Member

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The NZ oil-workers report puts the sighting about 50 miles south of the Paracel Islands. Much more likely if one considers the last *known* heading, height and speed from the way-point between Malaysia and Vietnam.

Edit to say NZ -- as per his email

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laolover88 Silver Member

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Really after all this there only a few matters.

Q1. Where is the plane?

A!. We don't know

Q2. Wherever it is, by what route(s)did it get there or might it have got there?

A2. We don't know

Q3. Is/are there reasons/causes why it did not proceed to Beijing, whether technical or other?

A3. We don't know

Q4. Is it true that there were no signals/communications/radar and other intercepts, from the aircraft?

A4. We don't know

Q5. Who knows what? And why is there a complete inability to construct a coherent/consistent account of facts

and explanations? And Why?

A5. We don't know

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EyesWideOpen Platinum Member

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As noted before , wreckage debris of AF447 was found within 5 days, searching an area

infinitely larger than the search area for this plane.

I don't have it handy, but the Guardian published a map superimposing the AF search grid over the MH one, and it's completely opposite to what you say.

What the bleep ??????????????? Here is the location of AF447. Not sure about your

eyesight, but you will notice it is in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, versus a short

300 mile stretch across the lower end of the Gulf of Thailand had the plane actually

stayed on its flight path.

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However since it appears

that the Malaysian plane is flying all over the place, I guess the search area would be

encompassed by a 7000 kilometer radius circle with KL at the center of it....

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TinoThailand Advanced Member

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While they can track any person and listen to any word we use at any time and place using just a simple cellphone or take snap shots while turn on your cam on your PC without knowing it I'm suppose to believe this flight just vanished? No sign on any high tech device? If I would not believe in aliens I would have to ask some serious questions about what they want us to focus or not focus on :)

jpinx Platinum Member

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Location of oil rig where worker claims to have seen the burning aircraft referenced in post 1284 above.

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The email states that the guy was looking west and estimated the distance 50 - 70Kms which puts the object he saw very close to the intended flightpath. This really is a very plausible possibility indeed.

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Location of oil rig where worker claims to have seen the burning aircraft referenced in post 1284 above.

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The email states that the guy was looking west and estimated the distance 50 - 70Kms which puts the object he saw very close to the intended flightpath. This really is a very plausible possibility indeed.

If true, makes a mockery of the Army's statement 12 hours ago about radar pinging over Malacca ...

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