Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[pmugghc]

A multinational fleet of planes and ships raced Friday to a fresh search zone after a "credible new lead" that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 was flying faster than first thought before it plunged into the remote Indian Ocean.

Ten aircraft from six countries -- Australia, China, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea and the United States -- diverted to an area 1,100 kilometres (685 miles) northeast of where they have been looking for a week, far off western Australia.

Five Chinese ships and an Australian naval vessel were also steaming to the new zone of interest after the weather cleared following the suspension of the air search Thursday due to thunderstorms and high winds, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said.

"The new information is based on continuing analysis of radar data between the South China Sea and the Strait of Malacca before radar contact was lost (with the missing plane)," AMSA said.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mh370-search-area-shifted-credible-lead-014626605.html#vCbIKb6

So after Malaysian Airlines announced that the found the plane and informed the relatives that everyone on board died, based on the debris they located by satellite, it flew another 1100 Kilometers ?

I'm sure the relatives must feel more relaxed by the day with such a bunch of imbeciles handling the search.

Didn't it fly less distance?

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[MaxYakov]

Whomever was controlling that flight did not want it to be found immediately or, possibly, ever. I believe the engine performance pings were an oversight in the plan to make it vanish.

[Farma]

There are reports coming out that 5 planes involved in todays search of the new area spotted debris. Apart from a fishing buoy there were various coloured items including blue grey rectangular objects.

Edited March 28, 2014 by Farma

[balo]

So the satellite images of 122 and 300 objects floating in the ocean is not credible anymore ? They didnt even bother to finish the search.

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[Farma]

The debris found today hasn't been confirmed as coming from the crashed aircraft. A ship will arrive tomorrow to confirm what the debris is.

A RNZAF aircraft spotted the initial objects with a follow up RAAF aircraft seeing more objects in the same area.

[GentlemanJim]

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He was the only one who had the experience and expertise to fly the plane

Not accurate at all as the copilot also has the skills to fly the plane. Seems I haven't seen much talk about the copilot, only the pilot as the one being suspect.

There has been at least some brief references to the co-pilot. He seemed to check out clean. The pilot, however, appears to have had a more intricate (dare I say 'shadowed') recent history.

Re; the (ping-generated) arcs which diverged north and south. The north arc was discounted early on, because for a plane to have gone north, would have brought it close to several countries which have active military issues. Those countries (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc) likely have defensive radar on constant alert. Though, as an aside, Pakistani radar wasn't proving viable when the mission to snuff out Bin Laden took place.

No, you dare not say 'shadowed' recent history. What bloody right do you have to say that? Are you telling me that because him and his wife separated he is now to be viewed as having a 'shadowed' history, or because he had a simulator, for professional development and consolidation of training (that has been shown to have not been used for anything untoward) that he is deemed to have a 'shadowed' history. Cough up the reasons as to why you are besmirching his character with absolutely no reason or evidence. What has he done to be considered as having a 'shadowed recent history'? Please inform us.

To add to your BS those countries do not have constant defensive radar, that has already been discussed in the media and the limitations of various national radars exposed, much to the annoyance and embarrassment of those concerned.

So, without any veiled speech. Why is the Captain considered by you to have a shadowed recent history? Off to get popcorn.

[Credo]

As a pilot, GJ, your defense of the captain is admirable, both because you have walked in his shoes and because it is right.

He should not be besmirched. He is, however, the Captain of a plane that has met with some catastrophe and he will be investigated and his life will be looked at closely.

For some reason the co-pilot seems to be getting a pass, though.

[GentlemanJim]

As a pilot, GJ, your defense of the captain is admirable, both because you have walked in his shoes and because it is right.

He should not be besmirched. He is, however, the Captain of a plane that has met with some catastrophe and he will be investigated and his life will be looked at closely.

For some reason the co-pilot seems to be getting a pass, though.

Credo

I agree with you. No stone must be left unturned, and every element of the flight both technical and Human Factors must be scrutinised and when evidence is uncovered that would deem an individual as culpable then judgements can be made. Until any investigation is complete, I am sure you would agree it is wrong to arrive at unjustified conclusions that affect the Captain and his surviving family. The problem with human nature is that s**t sticks and when people start labelling the Captain as 'guilty as sin', then even if he is found to have displayed behaviour beyond reproach the 'guilty as sin' perception always sticks in the minds of certain types of people. I am sure they will be happy when his teenage son or daughter leap off a tall building.

I really have no idea what happened, and both myself and many of my colleagues really want to know, because the first thing any pilot wants to do right now is anything possible to prevent a recurrence. If it is subsequently proven that the man was culpably negligent in any way then his peer group will be the most critical of all, but until then he is unable to answer for himself as he is dead and Occam and his razor would predict the man died innocent of any wrongdoing or perhaps even heroically. Just like Air France, one day, it will all come out in the wash and looking at the Captain's hitherto long, experienced and unblemished record, until such time as proved otherwise he deserves the benefit of the doubt, that's all.

[3NUMBAS]

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/aviation-mag-chief-sees-botched-hijack-takeover-in-mh370-disappearance

Malaysia Aviation magazine chief sees botched hijack, takeover in MH370 disappearance

March 26, 2014UPDATED: March 26, 2014 05:50 pm

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Inspector General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar at the MH370 daily press conference at the Sama Sama Hotel in Sepang, on March 16, 2014. He revealed that investigators were examining four possibilities for the MH370 plane’s disappearance. — Picture by Saw Siow FengKUALA LUMPUR, March 26 — Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 likely ended in the Indian Ocean from a failed hijacking or unsuccessful pilot takeover, according to Robert Groyer who heads aviation news periodical “Flying Mag.”

Writing in an editorial piece for news channel CNN, the editor-in-chief of the magazine formerly known as “Popular Aviation” when it started in the 1920s, pointed out that the sequence of events that took place on board the Boeing 777-200ER missing since March 8 all but ruled out other possible scenarios.

Chief among the evidence Groyer cited was the distance the plane carrying 239 managed to travel, which investigators analysing satellite communication with the missing jetliner concluded was near the maximum range it could have flown given its fuel load.

“At lower altitudes, turbofan engines like the Rolls-Royce engines on the Malaysia Airlines airplane, burn substantially more fuel than they do at typical cruise altitudes -- as much as twice depending on the altitudes one uses for comparison,” Groyer wrote.

“So the fuel required for MH-370 to have reached the presumed crash location around 1,500 miles west of Perth, Australia, means that the airplane did not do a lot of climbing or descending after it deviated from its original planned route to Beijing while it was still an hour or so north of Kuala Lumpur.”

This crucial fact established that the plane was not suffering from a mechanical fault and most likely did not see a struggle in the cockpit for the flight controls.

Groyer conceded, however, that it was not possible to rule out at this stage that the mystery of MH370 may have been the result of technical issue, but said the coincidences involved would require a “mechanical magic bullet” in order to explain.

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/aviation-mag-chief-sees-botched-hijack-takeover-in-mh370-disappearance#sthash.vJ0GACxx.dpuf

Malaysia Aviation magazine chief sees botched hijack, takeover in MH370 disappearance

Edited March 28, 2014 by Tywais
Major cleanup of post

[wooloomooloo]

No surprise that the cargo itinerary hasn't been published and almost certainly due to customer confidentiality.

It the airline reveals the cargo then the next question is for who. It's not good business.

[webfact]

Possible MH370 debris found 1,100km north of area originally searched in Indian Ocean
Agencies
Perth, Australia

PERTH: -- A New Zealand military aircraft has spotted debris in a new area in the Indian Ocean as the hunt for Malaysia Airlines MH370 continues, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) said yesterday.

This was the first sighting of objects possibly related to MH370 since Australian authorities moved the search some 1,100 kilometres to the north of the original area following new analysis of the plane's flight path.

In a tweet, AMSA said the debris had yet to be positively identified as remnants of the aircraft, with vessels heading to the area tasked with confirming its nature today.

The Royal New Zealand Air Force's Orion surveillance plane has found possible debris in a new search area identified by Australian authorities as the likely area where MH370 crashed.

A Chinese vessel, Haixun 01, is in the search zone but other vessels - including Australia's HMAS Success - are understood to have not arrived in the new area, which is 1,100km from the area they were scouring on Thursday.

The international team of aircraft and boats have combed approximately 319,000 square kilometres of the Indian Ocean located around 1,850km west of Perth, AMSA said, after new information was received from the Malaysian team investigating the incident.

The new search area was determined by a team from aircraft maker Boeing and the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), said Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, chief of Malaysia's Department of Civil Aviation.

"From that particular record, they have come up with a higher speed for the aircraft than we did before," he said. "Therefore, the aircraft would not be as far as what we envisaged [it] to be and is on the northern side of the satellites sightings of the objects."

Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said Boeing, NTSB and other experts from Inmarsat, Britain, China and Malaysia were examining the data to pinpoint the exact location of the aircraft, which was carrying 239 people.

"This work is on-going, and we can expect further refinements," he said. "With each step, we get closer to understanding MH370's flight path."

Hishammddin said all satellite leads provided earlier by Japan, Thailand, Australia, China, France and Malaysia were located southwest of Perth. "All the sightings, I can confirm, are located southwest of Perth consistent with what we announced earlier," he said.

Yesterday, a multinational fleet of planes and ships raced to a fresh search zone after a "credible new lead" that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 was flying faster than first thought before it plunged into the remote Indian Ocean.

Ten aircraft from six countries - Australia, China, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea and the United States - diverted to an area 1,100 kilometres northeast of where they have been looking for a week, far off western Australia.

Five Chinese ships and an Australian naval vessel were also steaming to the new zone of interest after the weather cleared following the suspension of the air search on Thursday due to thunderstorms and high winds, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said.


-- The Nation 2014-03-29

[boomerangutang]

So, without any veiled speech. Why is the Captain considered by you to have a shadowed recent history?

Much is veiled right now, particularly by Malaysian authorities.

Tell me, assuming there was mechanical failure or a hijacking, has there been any indication that the captain took any evasive actions during the flight? Any distress signals? Not that we've heard of. Not a peep, nada.

I carefully used the adjective 'shadowed' and it's immediately twisted to 'guilty as sin' by someone else. Does someone protesteth too much? Fersure, those who are interested have to wait until added (or as yet, unreleased) evidence comes forth. In the meantime, there's speculation by all concerned. Even mentioning the pilot was 'heroic' is speculation at this time.

If a disaster has taken place, concerned people are going to speculate about what happened. That's human nature, and some of that speculation may even contribute to finding a viable explanation. The pilot is in the news. The investigative process should leave no stone un-turned. Malaysia Airlines, are understandably very sensitive about any evidence which may implicate the pilot (as not doing his job well, or worse; enacting a suicide/mass murder) - both for business reasons, and for national pride. If he's innocent and/or heroic, fine. Let the evidence point the way.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

This was the first sighting of objects possibly related to MH370 since Australian authorities moved the search some 1,100 kilometres to the north of the original area following new analysis of the plane's flight path.

................

The international team of aircraft and boats have combed approximately 319,000 square kilometres of the Indian Ocean located around 1,850km west of Perth, AMSA said, after new information was received from the Malaysian team investigating the incident.

The new search area was determined by a team from aircraft maker Boeing and the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), said Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, chief of Malaysia's Department of Civil Aviation.

From CNN:

There's been a huge shift in where searchers are looking for Flight 370, and planes sent to the new zone have found lots of objects. But what those objects are isn't known yet.

Wait, I thought everyone was confident the old search zone was the right place to look. What happened?

More math, apparently.

Based on radar and satellite data, investigators have concluded the plane was traveling faster than initially thought in the early part of its flight. Because of that, it burned through more fuel than first believed.

So, like a car driven by a leadfoot through city streets, the plane had less fuel for its long, desolate flight over the Indian Ocean.

That means, authorities have concluded, that it could not have traveled as far south as they once thought.

They now say the data shows the plane probably went down in an area about 680 miles (1,100 kilometers) northeast of the previous search zone.

....................................

Where is the new search area?

It's 680 miles (1,100 kilometers) to the northeast of where search operations had been focused. That puts it 1,150 miles (1,850 kilometers) off the west coast of Australia. That's about 400 miles (644 kilometers) closer to land than the previous area.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/28/world/asia/malaysia-plane-questions/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

So, the prior British satellite analysis was off by just a little....

Edited March 29, 2014 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[coma]

So, without any veiled speech. Why is the Captain considered by you to have a shadowed recent history?

Much is veiled right now, particularly by Malaysian authorities.

Tell me, assuming there was mechanical failure or a hijacking, has there been any indication that the captain took any evasive actions during the flight? Any distress signals? Not that we've heard of. Not a peep, nada.

I carefully used the adjective 'shadowed' and it's immediately twisted to 'guilty as sin' by someone else. Does someone protesteth too much? Fersure, those who are interested have to wait until added (or as yet, unreleased) evidence comes forth. In the meantime, there's speculation by all concerned. Even mentioning the pilot was 'heroic' is speculation at this time.

If a disaster has taken place, concerned people are going to speculate about what happened. That's human nature, and some of that speculation may even contribute to finding a viable explanation. The pilot is in the news. The investigative process should leave no stone un-turned. Malaysia Airlines, are understandably very sensitive about any evidence which may implicate the pilot (as not doing his job well, or worse; enacting a suicide/mass murder) - both for business reasons, and for national pride. If he's innocent and/or heroic, fine. Let the evidence point the way.

GJ also seems to like to ignore the extremely suspicious movements of the aircraft after it diverted from its flight plan. And as you say Boomerang, the lack of any distress calls or attempted contact with ground stations only adds weight to the argument. It just doesn't wash that there was some catastrophic event on board that happened in such speedy circumstance that he had no time to get off an emergency call, but then the aircraft was still in such a condition that it was able to fly around avoiding radar, changing altitude, making turns and then flying thousands of kilometers more into the southern hemisphere before it came down off Perth.

Some of the captains own friends have even claimed that he may well have been responsible. Or he was " not in the right state of mind" to be flying on that day.

[Carmine6]

This was the first sighting of objects possibly related to MH370 since Australian authorities moved the search some 1,100 kilometres to the north of the original area following new analysis of the plane's flight path.

................

The international team of aircraft and boats have combed approximately 319,000 square kilometres of the Indian Ocean located around 1,850km west of Perth, AMSA said, after new information was received from the Malaysian team investigating the incident.

The new search area was determined by a team from aircraft maker Boeing and the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), said Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, chief of Malaysia's Department of Civil Aviation.

From CNN:

There's been a huge shift in where searchers are looking for Flight 370, and planes sent to the new zone have found lots of objects. But what those objects are isn't known yet.

Wait, I thought everyone was confident the old search zone was the right place to look. What happened?

More math, apparently.

Based on radar and satellite data, investigators have concluded the plane was traveling faster than initially thought in the early part of its flight. Because of that, it burned through more fuel than first believed.

So, like a car driven by a leadfoot through city streets, the plane had less fuel for its long, desolate flight over the Indian Ocean.

That means, authorities have concluded, that it could not have traveled as far south as they once thought.

They now say the data shows the plane probably went down in an area about 680 miles (1,100 kilometers) northeast of the previous search zone.

....................................

Where is the new search area?

It's 680 miles (1,100 kilometers) to the northeast of where search operations had been focused. That puts it 1,150 miles (1,850 kilometers) off the west coast of Australia. That's about 400 miles (644 kilometers) closer to land than the previous area.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/28/world/asia/malaysia-plane-questions/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

So, the prior British satellite analysis was off by just a little....

Not really clear that they were wrong. Their info gave an arc, and possibly speed, for the final ping. What happened in the hour in between that ping and the next expected ping is a guess. It could have run out of fuel right after or well after that final ping. They appear to have assumed it flew longer past that ping previously, and shorter now.

The arc actually passes near both the old area and new area. Given the location of the satellite it is a bit of a northeast line in this area.

http://s38.photobucket.com/user/mapamapa/media/all_in.jpg.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/satellite-locates-malaysian-flight-370-still-flying-seven-hours-after-takeoff/2014/03/15/96627a24-ac86-11e3-a06a-e3230a43d6cb_graphic.html

Edit: By "they" in the fuel estimate, I don't think the satellite guys have ever given any analysis of the flight past that arc. It's been others who tried to estimate the flight time. The US NTSB came up with the highest probability area in the first map.

Edited March 29, 2014 by Carmine6

[GentlemanJim]

So, without any veiled speech. Why is the Captain considered by you to have a shadowed recent history?

Much is veiled right now, particularly by Malaysian authorities.

Tell me, assuming there was mechanical failure or a hijacking, has there been any indication that the captain took any evasive actions during the flight? Any distress signals? Not that we've heard of. Not a peep, nada.

I carefully used the adjective 'shadowed' and it's immediately twisted to 'guilty as sin' by someone else. Does someone protesteth too much? Fersure, those who are interested have to wait until added (or as yet, unreleased) evidence comes forth. In the meantime, there's speculation by all concerned. Even mentioning the pilot was 'heroic' is speculation at this time.

If a disaster has taken place, concerned people are going to speculate about what happened. That's human nature, and some of that speculation may even contribute to finding a viable explanation. The pilot is in the news. The investigative process should leave no stone un-turned. Malaysia Airlines, are understandably very sensitive about any evidence which may implicate the pilot (as not doing his job well, or worse; enacting a suicide/mass murder) - both for business reasons, and for national pride. If he's innocent and/or heroic, fine. Let the evidence point the way.

You display bar level intelligence with lines such as "does someone protesteth too much". Furthermore if you had had capacity to read and follow this thread in it's entirety, you would see that there is a poster who refers to the Captain as 'guilty as sin' that is to whom I was referring to. When I was referring to you I used YOUR term 'shadowed' many times did I not. I have not 'twisted' anything I was entirely specific but it seems just like your opinion of the Captain you have jumped to a conclusion based on an inability to process correctly the information in front of you. Where in my post to YOU, which incidentally you did not quote properly (against forum rules) do I mention 'guilty as sin'? So enough, we are clearly completely different. I have tried to communicate to you but I think there is a bit of an incompatibility and I don't have the time or the inclination to wade through the mud any longer, I have made my thoughts crystal clear and you read two completely different posts by me and get it wrong. Typical hang em high mentality.

All i said to you in my post was 'explain clearly why you say the Captain has a 'shadowed history', and you have not done that. You besmirch him with no excuse.

Edited March 29, 2014 by GentlemanJim

[ignis]

All very odd, and does it make any sense ? If the plane crashed... until yesterday we have been led to believe they got Pings for x amount of hours, now is stated the plane was going faster and may have crashed 1,100 km before.... so if it had crashed ? why were the engines still running/sending a ping ? = must have still been running at least 1 hours after possible crash

each report get more confusing...... 20 days and no one knows if the plane did crash into the sea or not.

[1Ping1]

I would suggest that more than likely we are never going to know just &lt;deleted&gt; happened to those poor people on board.

Remember the old quote, cannot remember from where or whom it came. "Believe nothing that you hear, and only half of what you see".

Well, for countless different reasons this could most likely play out as one of these. Meaning it is right now one big ongoing well orchestrated "circle jerk" Where the media is being hand fed everything that is then hand fed to us.

Why, countless reasons. High on the list is that it was hijacked and flown somewhere, but they do know why, and exactly where it is. Once there is enough cirlcle jerking that the governments involved with the cover up feel we are all worn down by it all they will then come up with debris and that "the plane" will then be discovered in some desolate area in the ocean.

Is it though truly the real plane with the people on board? Or was that plane flown elsewhere?.............. It would be pretty easy to sink one and declare it "the plane".

This by the way does not come from me. It comes from the opinion of a retired commercial pilot with 40 years experience that I spent the afternoon with this past week. He flat out states, it cannot go down without the "eye in the sky", call it big brother, or whatever you want, but no plane this big can simply disappear, unless "someone (insert government of your choice) wanted it to"......................... What my friend states is logical. He asks, why would hijackers take it just to crash it out in the middle of nowhere................ He says this thing stinks to high heaven of a cover up.................

Meanwhile, sadly, (while I pray that it is truly found) the truth may never be known.

[GentlemanJim]

So, without any veiled speech. Why is the Captain considered by you to have a shadowed recent history?

Much is veiled right now, particularly by Malaysian authorities.

Tell me, assuming there was mechanical failure or a hijacking, has there been any indication that the captain took any evasive actions during the flight? Any distress signals? Not that we've heard of. Not a peep, nada.

I carefully used the adjective 'shadowed' and it's immediately twisted to 'guilty as sin' by someone else. Does someone protesteth too much? Fersure, those who are interested have to wait until added (or as yet, unreleased) evidence comes forth. In the meantime, there's speculation by all concerned. Even mentioning the pilot was 'heroic' is speculation at this time.

If a disaster has taken place, concerned people are going to speculate about what happened. That's human nature, and some of that speculation may even contribute to finding a viable explanation. The pilot is in the news. The investigative process should leave no stone un-turned. Malaysia Airlines, are understandably very sensitive about any evidence which may implicate the pilot (as not doing his job well, or worse; enacting a suicide/mass murder) - both for business reasons, and for national pride. If he's innocent and/or heroic, fine. Let the evidence point the way.

GJ also seems to like to ignore the extremely suspicious movements of the aircraft after it diverted from its flight plan. And as you say Boomerang, the lack of any distress calls or attempted contact with ground stations only adds weight to the argument. It just doesn't wash that there was some catastrophic event on board that happened in such speedy circumstance that he had no time to get off an emergency call, but then the aircraft was still in such a condition that it was able to fly around avoiding radar, changing altitude, making turns and then flying thousands of kilometers more into the southern hemisphere before it came down off Perth.

Some of the captains own friends have even claimed that he may well have been responsible. Or he was " not in the right state of mind" to be flying on that day.

GJ has not ignored anything, again for your ears also, I made my thoughts quite clear. As you lump yourself in the same bracket as boomerangutang then to state again...we think differently. Yes I think it highly suspicious that no distress call was made, that the aircraft veered off course and flew on until it ran out of fuel. Non of that is in line with a profile I would consider involving suicide,. Hours and hours reflecting in the silence knowing you had killed or were going to kill 290 innocent people, having already killed your young co-pilot one presumes, to ensure he didn't intefere with your plan. Sorry, it doesn't work for me, I will wait until the truth emerges.

Edited March 29, 2014 by GentlemanJim

[Credo]

I don't know that we know that the captain was in command of the plane at the time things went awry.

Did they ever figure out who gave the final message?

[Gonzo the Face]

Am I starting to forget English ????

Quote from the OP

The new search area was determined by a team from aircraft maker Boeing and the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), said Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, chief of Malaysia's Department of Civil Aviation.

"From that particular record, they have come up with a higher speed for the aircraft than we did before," he said. "Therefore, the aircraft would not be as far as what we envisaged [it] to be and is on the northern side of the satellites sightings of the objects."

Now .... if the speed was greater, would you not think that they may be farther, as opposed to not as far as originally envisaged?????

[y2k]

There is an optimum speed that gives the best fuel consumption. Think of your car.

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[canuckamuck]

GJ, we understand and appreciate your defense of the Captain's innocence until proven otherwise. But at the same our brains are capable of some predictive thought. If he is innocent perhaps he will be vindicated. But it is also possible, and this is becoming the primary theory, that in an act of monumental selfishness; This man who was responsible for the safety of all passengers; took judgement on planeload of paying customers, whose only choice in this was selecting the flight, and he stole everything they had and everything they would ever be. A pain multiplied upon the thousands who now mourn. and inflicted massive costs to so many affected agencies and countries.

Yes we should have restraint with accusation, but you can not stop speculation. Not when we are looking one of the worst crimes of the century. Forums are for discussion and it is through discussion and speculation that mysteries get solved. If this was an accident, very few will hold it against him.

[sarathjay]

Here is food for thought.....

MH 370 - a conspiracy theory.

Have you heard of this conspiracy theory regarding the disappearance of MH 370? The story goes like this:

The Americans are withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilot less drones) was hijacked by the Taliban when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

What the Taliban want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the Americans will not hijack or harm the civilians. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

There are 5 American and Israeli agents on board who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them

When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How the AWACS can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 9/11 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) were installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeings could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system that is used to control the pilot less spy aircraft and drones.

The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space is covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally

The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refueled and continued its flight to Garcia Diego, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.

The Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australians are the co-actor.

The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

Don't believe the story? Lets wait and see how the episode unveils itself. Or perhaps it will never be known until the next Snow den emerges.

Enjoy your weekend folks....S.

[Moruya]

All very odd, and does it make any sense ? If the plane crashed... until yesterday we have been led to believe they got Pings for x amount of hours, now is stated the plane was going faster and may have crashed 1,100 km before.... so if it had crashed ? why were the engines still running/sending a ping ? = must have still been running at least 1 hours after possible crash

each report get more confusing...... 20 days and no one knows if the plane did crash into the sea or not.

I believe the times of the pings are not disputed - however I would like to see the details behind the past (incomplete) ping.

The arcs themselves are based on the latency (time between ping send and receive) to the actual satellite visible to the plane's antenna.

The same calculation enabled the engineers at Inmarsat to determine that the plane had crossed the equator - hence the southern arc

Boeing have looked at the available data from ACARS and other systems until the handover to Vietnamese ATC and have determined that the plane was burning fuel at a high rate during its initial flight - probably due to head wind.

Using that information to calculate the remaining fuel coupled with the remaining flight time based on the pings it has determined a shorter range.

I would say that all this is based on minimal data........

[Frank James]

Random Notes:

Re Post # 2894 (member Sarathjay): Among the best conspiracy theories I have ever read or heard. Congratulations for at least a wildly entertaining story. Best one since the various 911 theories. Who knows, you could be right. If so, WOW!

Much has been made of the course reversal back toward Malaysia/Andaman Sea. But there must have been another correction to point the airplane due South, toward the most hostile and lonely ocean on Earth, called the Southern Ocean. For reference, see the many films that have been made of these latitudes in the various 'round the world solo' yacht races. Clear skies and calm seas seem to be the exception in this area.

Could the plane have been controlled remotely? If so, by whom, and for what purpose? Is this even possible?

Some mention has been made that the pilot was having big problems at home. (Wife, girlfriend, etc.) Could this have led to a decision to commit suicide, taking 238 other souls along for the ride? Seems unlikely, but?

A look at imprecise maps of the suspected crash area reveals a "Southeast Indian Ridge" at a depth of about (+/-) 1900 m, a barely searchable depth. The ridge is flanked by impossibly deep valleys. Is this a job for Capt. Ballard and the submersible that found Titanic? Is any submersible equipped with an "arm" capable of extracting the black boxes? Is any submersible capable of cabling up the fuselage for a salvage operation? What a feat that would be.

People are blaming the news media for constantly churning this story. I disagree. It is a fantastic mystery and tragedy, fully worthy of intense worldwide interest.

[jerome2]

with all the garbage floating on the pacific may be in 100 years they'll find 1 piece of it

the fishermen probably found it already,but for no price they will not report it which is normal,seen how we comb their water with our nets

[ExpatOilWorker]

GJ, we understand and appreciate your defense of the Captain's innocence until proven otherwise. But at the same our brains are capable of some predictive thought. If he is innocent perhaps he will be vindicated. But it is also possible, and this is becoming the primary theory, that in an act of monumental selfishness; This man who was responsible for the safety of all passengers; took judgement on planeload of paying customers, whose only choice in this was selecting the flight, and he stole everything they had and everything they would ever be. A pain multiplied upon the thousands who now mourn. and inflicted massive costs to so many affected agencies and countries.

Yes we should have restraint with accusation, but you can not stop speculation. Not when we are looking one of the worst crimes of the century. Forums are for discussion and it is through discussion and speculation that mysteries get solved. If this was an accident, very few will hold it against him.

Easy to blame the captain, except there is no motive. No manifesto.

[skippybangkok]

Easy to blame the captain, except there is no motive. No manifesto.

You obviously did not read his Facebook page

He has very obvious issues

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Edited March 29, 2014 by skippybangkok

[umbanda]

I would suggest that more than likely we are never going to know just <deleted> happened to those poor people on board.

Remember the old quote, cannot remember from where or whom it came. "Believe nothing that you hear, and only half of what you see".

Well, for countless different reasons this could most likely play out as one of these. Meaning it is right now one big ongoing well orchestrated "circle jerk" Where the media is being hand fed everything that is then hand fed to us.

Why, countless reasons. High on the list is that it was hijacked and flown somewhere, but they do know why, and exactly where it is. Once there is enough cirlcle jerking that the governments involved with the cover up feel we are all worn down by it all they will then come up with debris and that "the plane" will then be discovered in some desolate area in the ocean.

Is it though truly the real plane with the people on board? Or was that plane flown elsewhere?.............. It would be pretty easy to sink one and declare it "the plane".

This by the way does not come from me. It comes from the opinion of a retired commercial pilot with 40 years experience that I spent the afternoon with this past week. He flat out states, it cannot go down without the "eye in the sky", call it big brother, or whatever you want, but no plane this big can simply disappear, unless "someone (insert government of your choice) wanted it to"......................... What my friend states is logical. He asks, why would hijackers take it just to crash it out in the middle of nowhere................ He says this thing stinks to high heaven of a cover up.................

Meanwhile, sadly, (while I pray that it is truly found) the truth may never be known.

The plane may be found, the black box may be found, but just few people knows the truth...WE..."cannot handle the truth"...