Pheu thai welcomes roadmap but not an appointed prime minister

[Robby nz]

I have wondered for a while where PT and their red supporters are with their version of reforms, if they have such a thing.

I see Korn has taken time out from the Dems leadership to put together a reform package, some of which has surfaced.

Businessmen and other groups have put forward suggestions and now Sutheps group are holding reform meetings.

However I have not seen anything from PT other than their Tony Blair thing which came to nothing except photo opp's.

Surely PT should be putting forward some positive suggestions rather than "Welcoming" someone else's ideas while imposing their own conditions.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Robby nz

[HonestQuietBob]

PTP have a right to rules given to them by the Grand Master

Anything that goes against their right to rule is illegal, even if it is legal

We not want any person out see the government to see the books so they can see how great we have been for Thailand

Pheu Thai party will not accept any responsibility for what is does or has done as we have the peoples mandate to rules like the Grand Master has said

It appears to be a simple plea to respect the constitution.

Any roadmap, in order to be acceptable to Pheu Thai, must sit within the bounds of the current constitution.

What's wrong with that?

And when the EC and Constitutional Court make a suggestion that is within the law and within the Constitution, PT will reject it out of hand as being unconstitutional and unlawful.

Has PT ever actually accepted anything that the EC or Courts have ever said without complaining about it? Well I guess they have, but only when it favors themselves.

PTP do seem to be on the opposite side of most things when it comes to the courts and commissions in Thailand.

Some crazy fools (by which I mean 99% of the world's respectable media outlets, educational institutions, national governments and third party observers) have the quite insane notion that the unelected, incestuous, elite appointed NGO's are somewhat biased.

Can't imagine why they would hold that opinion.

[ginjag]

PTP have a right to rules given to them by the Grand Master

Anything that goes against their right to rule is illegal, even if it is legal

We not want any person out see the government to see the books so they can see how great we have been for Thailand

Pheu Thai party will not accept any responsibility for what is does or has done as we have the peoples mandate to rules like the Grand Master has said

It appears to be a simple plea to respect the constitution.

Any roadmap, in order to be acceptable to Pheu Thai, must sit within the bounds of the current constitution.

What's wrong with that?

And when the EC and Constitutional Court make a suggestion that is within the law and within the Constitution, PT will reject it out of hand as being unconstitutional and unlawful.

Has PT ever actually accepted anything that the EC or Courts have ever said without complaining about it? Well I guess they have, but only when it favors themselves.

PTP do seem to be on the opposite side of most things when it comes to the courts and commissions in Thailand.

Some crazy fools (by which I mean 99% of the world's respectable media outlets, educational institutions, national governments and third party observers) have the quite insane notion that the unelected, incestuous, elite appointed NGO's are somewhat biased.

Can't imagine why they would hold that opinion.

Will not be too long to wait for most of the PTP and others are in front of the judge.

But your lot will say "for what" the court are biased.

[Rich teacher]

Will not be too long to wait for most of the PTP and others are in front of the judge.

But your lot will say "for what" the court are biased.

As for the Dems, they get let off because the case wasn't held within the time limit. Oh, but that's fair because...umm...

[thesetat2013]

PTP have a right to rules given to them by the Grand Master

Anything that goes against their right to rule is illegal, even if it is legal

We not want any person out see the government to see the books so they can see how great we have been for Thailand

Pheu Thai party will not accept any responsibility for what is does or has done as we have the peoples mandate to rules like the Grand Master has said

It appears to be a simple plea to respect the constitution.

Any roadmap, in order to be acceptable to Pheu Thai, must sit within the bounds of the current constitution.

What's wrong with that?

What is wrong with that is it is just another excuse from the PTP. Explain one instance where they have followed the constitution or laws and directives from the courts without twisting it to benefit their party leaders?

Their party and their leaders are on the run now trying to stave off more investigations and legal actions that eventually dissolve their party and ban their members from politics. As long as they see a path to win the majority vote then they still see the light at the end of this very long dark tunnel. A king appointed PM would take their chances to remain in power. This action is constitutionally viable but the PTP will lose all if it happens.

Even now a PTP leaders wife is trying to run for a Senate position. This is the one seat in Gov that the PTP thought would be of no consequence yet, they may now be the decision makers for a new temp Gov.

For this country to move forward it will need to dissolve all parties and ban the current players who are in politics now. This includes the DEMS as well. Each party has shown lack of concern for judicial proceedings as well as a complete lack of concern for their constitution.

So let the king choose a temp leader and gov. Then give people who truly care and respect laws and want to be democratic take to the streets and show the people so they can be voted for.

If course, this is all a pipe dream. The PTP will never relinquish power and control and will continue to do the same they have done. The Dems will of course lose to a majority from the north. And in a couple of years thailand will have another uprising with protesters. And it will be the same sh-----t as now.

[kimamey]

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Thailand already has an appointed Prime Minister. She was appointed by the Thai people......twice.

Right. Appointed by a criminal. The Thai people already understand it.... slowly.

"Appointed by a criminal"

Only in the minds of the coup-makers and their Elitist instigators.

Coup-mongers demonizing those they coup-mongered in order to justify their power-grab, regardless what judicial wrapping they used, do not criminals make.

If that had been the case, the electoral majority who elected Ms. Y would also be complicit, considering Thaksin's transparent involvement in the election.

End of story.....Back to the topic at hand.

"Appointed by a criminal"

Only in the minds of the coup-makers and their Elitist instigators.

So am I a coup maker, a Elitist instigator or both. I'm sure my wife would like to know as well. Which bit is it you don't agree with? The fact that Thaksin appointed her or the fact he's a criminal. It makes a difference.

If it weren't for the involvement of Thaksin all these protests probably wouldn't have occurred. Don't forget the last government was elected in 2011 and the protests didn't start until November last year. Don't forget also that the elections were carried out under the constitution and by the election commission that is complained about so much. The spark for the protests was the amnesty bill and the anger of the reds over the inclusion of Abhisit and Suthep. The government promised justice for those killed but have avoided tackling the army.

We now have a situation where the farmers can't be paid because the government ran out of money and forgot to borrow any more. There are problems with the borrowing of 2.2 trillion baht because they wanted to avoid scrutiny and it seems there may have been voting irregularities.

Suthep may not be an angel and I don't agree with him on a lot of things but the objectives of the vast amount of protesters I do.

How you deal with this is a problem. It seems possible that the government has not been terribly professional in their approach. They seem to have taken risks with the rules even when they didn't need to. At the moment there's the distinct possibility they may be dissolved although I don't entirely agree with that. this will leave one section of the population without a voice.

Some form of body that can bbe agreed upon by all sides which can represent everyone would seem a good idea. Whether you need a PM and if that's constitutional I don't know but a way needs to be found to keep the administration of the country going whilst reforms are made. This includes election rules and the judiciary and independent bodies. There are lots of complaints about them but not much is said about improving them.

[dru2]

Will not be too long to wait for most of the PTP and others are in front of the judge.

But your lot will say "for what" the court are biased.

As for the Dems, they get let off because the case wasn't held within the time limit. Oh, but that's fair because...umm...

Thing is, Rich Teacher, you're going to have to live with it! Better get ready.

[ginjag]

Will not be too long to wait for most of the PTP and others are in front of the judge.

But your lot will say "for what" the court are biased.

As for the Dems, they get let off because the case wasn't held within the time limit. Oh, but that's fair because...umm...

Some courts prioritize , I should think to follow the money--rice/ water/ tablets and loads more, needs urgent attention---but by the sound of your tone you seem more obsessed with other people, you are as corrupt as the said government if you condone their actions.

Once this lot are out you can shout at anything the new administration does.

[Bangmod]

Thailand already has an appointed Prime Minister. She was appointed by the Thai people......twice.

vote buying isn't a democratic vote…...

[NCFC]

PTP have a right to rules given to them by the Grand Master

Anything that goes against their right to rule is illegal, even if it is legal

We not want any person out see the government to see the books so they can see how great we have been for Thailand

Pheu Thai party will not accept any responsibility for what is does or has done as we have the peoples mandate to rules like the Grand Master has said

please be aware of the laws regarding lesse majeste

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[ChrisY1]

PTP have a right to rules given to them by the Grand Master

Anything that goes against their right to rule is illegal, even if it is legal

We not want any person out see the government to see the books so they can see how great we have been for Thailand

Pheu Thai party will not accept any responsibility for what is does or has done as we have the peoples mandate to rules like the Grand Master has said

It appears to be a simple plea to respect the constitution.

Any roadmap, in order to be acceptable to Pheu Thai, must sit within the bounds of the current constitution.

What's wrong with that?

Some fear that it's Not within the bounds of the PTP version of the constitution......isn't that clear to you???

[Spalpeen]

Thailand already has an appointed Prime Minister. She was appointed by the Thai people......twice.

vote buying isn't a democratic vote...

The 500 baht bore raises its head again.

Now that the election has been held and the threat of a coup seen off, there's really not much more to be said here. Suthep is muttering to himself somewhere in the bushes at Lumpini Park and the Indian guy is packing his suitcase. Mr Issara is on the run from an arrest warrant for murder and the navy SEAL admiral will soon be in charge of the Buri Ram fleet.

I only look in on this forum from time to time to see a weird alternative universe where a half dozen or so remaining yellow shirt apologists engage in a mutual 'liking' session.

There's only one appointed Prime Minister in Thailand and 15,000,000 reasons why she's here to stay.

[HonestQuietBob]

PTP have a right to rules given to them by the Grand Master

Anything that goes against their right to rule is illegal, even if it is legal

We not want any person out see the government to see the books so they can see how great we have been for Thailand

Pheu Thai party will not accept any responsibility for what is does or has done as we have the peoples mandate to rules like the Grand Master has said

It appears to be a simple plea to respect the constitution.

Any roadmap, in order to be acceptable to Pheu Thai, must sit within the bounds of the current constitution.

What's wrong with that?

What is wrong with that is it is just another excuse from the PTP. Explain one instance where they have followed the constitution or laws and directives from the courts without twisting it to benefit their party leaders?

Their party and their leaders are on the run now trying to stave off more investigations and legal actions that eventually dissolve their party and ban their members from politics. As long as they see a path to win the majority vote then they still see the light at the end of this very long dark tunnel. A king appointed PM would take their chances to remain in power. This action is constitutionally viable but the PTP will lose all if it happens.

Even now a PTP leaders wife is trying to run for a Senate position. This is the one seat in Gov that the PTP thought would be of no consequence yet, they may now be the decision makers for a new temp Gov.

For this country to move forward it will need to dissolve all parties and ban the current players who are in politics now. This includes the DEMS as well. Each party has shown lack of concern for judicial proceedings as well as a complete lack of concern for their constitution.

So let the king choose a temp leader and gov. Then give people who truly care and respect laws and want to be democratic take to the streets and show the people so they can be voted for.

If course, this is all a pipe dream. The PTP will never relinquish power and control and will continue to do the same they have done. The Dems will of course lose to a majority from the north. And in a couple of years thailand will have another uprising with protesters. And it will be the same sh-----t as now.

Dissolve, ban, uprising, protestors...yada, yada, yada.

Thailand has changed, it has grown and is not what it once was - you know - caterpillar into butterfly sort of thing.

Those that want to return to the old ways of a small educated (?), wealthy minority riding roughshod over the rest are fighting for an impossibility.

They now occupy a reduced space in national affairs. Their refusal to accept their diminished role in society is the root cause of all the current troubles.

Their day of reckoning is coming (most likely being negotiated behind closed doors as we speak).

So don't worry, the ongoing cycle of nonsense is almost at an end.

[ChrisY1]

I have wondered for a while where PT and their red supporters are with their version of reforms, if they have such a thing.

I see Korn has taken time out from the Dems leadership to put together a reform package, some of which has surfaced.

Businessmen and other groups have put forward suggestions and now Sutheps group are holding reform meetings.

However I have not seen anything from PT other than their Tony Blair thing which came to nothing except photo opp's.

Surely PT should be putting forward some positive suggestions rather than "Welcoming" someone else's ideas while imposing their own conditions.

It appears that PT do not have any positive suggestions...have they ever had them???

They're a useless party with useless members pretending to be polititicians.....much the same as the other side.))

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[HonestQuietBob]

PTP have a right to rules given to them by the Grand Master

Anything that goes against their right to rule is illegal, even if it is legal

We not want any person out see the government to see the books so they can see how great we have been for Thailand

Pheu Thai party will not accept any responsibility for what is does or has done as we have the peoples mandate to rules like the Grand Master has said

It appears to be a simple plea to respect the constitution.

Any roadmap, in order to be acceptable to Pheu Thai, must sit within the bounds of the current constitution.

What's wrong with that?

Some fear that it's Not within the bounds of the PTP version of the constitution......isn't that clear to you???

I don't understand what you mean here. Please explain.

[northernjohn]

Democracy is not a spectator sport, it's a participation sport.

It won't work if most people don't take part.

Actually it doesn't work if most people don't know what they are getting when they vote for some one. A good example is the rice scam it was supposed to be a democratic thing but is it Democracy to drive poor people into debt. Make them sell their equipment and in some cases their property and drive them into high interest loans. Is that Democracy I think not.

[Won't mention the cases where they could only see death as an answer]

They didn't know what they were getting when they voted. In a real Democracy you would be told the truth before you voted not after you are driven into poverty.

I would bet that the PTP would except an appointed PM if it was one as wimpy and easy to push around for Thaksin as Yingluck is.

I suppose the Yingluck worshippers who don't realize it is Thaksin they are paying homage to are going to try to drop the topic and talk about other countries. That is because they have no defense for Thailand. Just attack other countries and other people.

[northernjohn]

Prompong needs to look at Article 7 before he states categorically what the constitution allows. And he ought to be mindful that these independent agencies are empowered by the constitution. The reference to the NACC and the 49 pages is something Prompong knows full well about, as well. Yingluck forfeited the full documentation because she was uncomfortable about showing up at the NACC last month. She was told she would forfeit the evidence if she failed to show up. Her lawyers were told she would forfeit the evidence if she failed to show up. Yingluck failed to show up. Period. The NACC, later however, went out of their way to give her 49 pages of documentation anyway. Remember, Prompong, those are the pages Yingluck needs an extra 45 days to study ? And yet Prompong still complains. He should make his complaints to her lousy lawyers.

Are they Thaksin picked lawyers?

[northernjohn]

PTP have a right to rules given to them by the Grand Master

Anything that goes against their right to rule is illegal, even if it is legal

We not want any person out see the government to see the books so they can see how great we have been for Thailand

Pheu Thai party will not accept any responsibility for what is does or has done as we have the peoples mandate to rules like the Grand Master has said

It appears to be a simple plea to respect the constitution.

Any roadmap, in order to be acceptable to Pheu Thai, must sit within the bounds of the current constitution.

What's wrong with that?

Nothing as far as I can see so why are they fighting it even before it is released?

[northernjohn]

PTP have a right to rules given to them by the Grand Master

Anything that goes against their right to rule is illegal, even if it is legal

We not want any person out see the government to see the books so they can see how great we have been for Thailand

Pheu Thai party will not accept any responsibility for what is does or has done as we have the peoples mandate to rules like the Grand Master has said

It appears to be a simple plea to respect the constitution.

Any roadmap, in order to be acceptable to Pheu Thai, must sit within the bounds of the current constitution.

What's wrong with that?

Because they have broken just about every democratic principle from the election to the present day.

They lie, they steal and they scream 'democracy'.... they have also broken the constitution many times, and constantly refuse to take responsibility, yet the scream everything must be 'constitutional'.

Basically they are clearly taking the piss out of EVERYONE.... that is what is wrong with it.

They have NO right to shout 'democracy' or 'constitution'....... Not them...... no way.

You been on the moon for the past 12 months or what?

No they didn't, you just watched too much BlueSky.

Interesting observation.

I take it you are fluent in Thai and watch a lot of Blue Sky so you are familiar with what they say. If you don't speak fluent Thai and watch a lot of Blue Sky you are talking through your hat.

[looping]

Thailand already has an appointed Prime Minister. She was appointed by the Thai people......twice.

And what a shining example to humanity she has proven to be. Although I can't think of any examples at present, maybe you can help?

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[monkeycountry]

Thailand already has an appointed Prime Minister. She was appointed by the Thai people......twice.

That is news to me. Yingluck steppef down a while back. Who is the new pm?

[Cuchulainn]

.................

Pheu thai welcomes roadmap..................

as long as all roads lead to Rome Dubai.

[JesseFrank]

Thailand already has an appointed Prime Minister. She was appointed by the Thai people......twice.

I must have missed the results of that second general election, or do you include "darling of isaan" as another appointment ?

[whybother]

Thailand already has an appointed Prime Minister. She was appointed by the Thai people......twice.

You need to check the difference between "appointed" and "elected".

Besides that, when was the second time?

[tomacht8]

Says: party spokesman Prompong Nopparit

This is a very good example of why the enforcement of democracy does not work in this country.
Prompong Nopparit was sentenced twice already, and ought to be in jail actually.

The court granted him bail for 3 times. This is laughable, because he has not spent a single day in prison until today.
Here the courts ought now to quickly speak the final judgment.

It sucks here that condemned criminals leads the words in politics.

If the corrupt and criminals need to go immediately into the prison, then the other politicians would be more accurate to consider their words and deeds.

It is quite incredible that the farmers for months are being lied to about the date for payment.

It is quite incredible that the Chairwoman of the Rice Committee denied any help to uncover the facts.

As long as politicians (the representatives of the people) can here with impunity:

lie, deceive, conceal, hide, scam, fraud, scam, cheat, aka allowed to enrich themselfs,

so long Thailand will never get honest politicians who work for the good of the people and for the country.

Edited March 16, 2014 by tomacht8

[wolfmanjack]

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Thailand already has an appointed Prime Minister. She was appointed by the Thai people......twice.

Right. Appointed by a criminal. The Thai people already understand it.... slowly.

"Appointed by a criminal"

Only in the minds of the coup-makers and their Elitist instigators.

Coup-mongers demonizing those they coup-mongered in order to justify their power-grab, regardless what judicial wrapping they used, do not criminals make.

If that had been the case, the electoral majority who elected Ms. Y would also be culpable, considering Thaksin's transparent involvement in the election.

End of story.....Back to the topic at hand.

Ha Ha End of tall story club more like. another comment that ranks among the best laughs of the year---" Thaksins transparent involvement in the election"

I will guess that no one knows when you blush.

Actually using the slogan thaksin thinks puea thai does made it pretty obvious thaksin was involved.

What i can't understand is how thaksin being involved and puea thai openly admitting it was not illegal.

It totally boggles the mind that he can't legally run for political office but he can legally control the party that controls the government.

[Asiantravel]

Democracy is not a spectator sport, it's a participation sport.

It won't work if most people don't take part.

Actually it doesn't work if most people don't know what they are getting when they vote for some one. A good example is the rice scam it was supposed to be a democratic thing but is it Democracy to drive poor people into debt. Make them sell their equipment and in some cases their property and drive them into high interest loans. Is that Democracy I think not.

[Won't mention the cases where they could only see death as an answer]

They didn't know what they were getting when they voted. In a real Democracy you would be told the truth before you voted not after you are driven into poverty.

I would bet that the PTP would except an appointed PM if it was one as wimpy and easy to push around for Thaksin as Yingluck is.

I suppose the Yingluck worshippers who don't realize it is Thaksin they are paying homage to are going to try to drop the topic and talk about other countries. That is because they have no defense for Thailand. Just attack other countries and other people.

" Actually it doesn't work if most people don't know what they are getting when they vote for some one "

But surely it has to be 10 times better than not knowing what they're getting when they don’t vote for anyone and a people's council is simply appointed?

[Asiantravel]

Democracy is not a spectator sport, it's a participation sport.

It won't work if most people don't take part.

This are detail problems as long as a Shinawatra Premier is the result of it.

Oh I see.......

your version of democracy is heads I win, tails you lose

[bigbamboo]

The bottom line is Thaksin needs to have someone he can trust holding the reins of power even if she doesn't have a clue how to steer the cart. Once he loses that last semblance of control the game's up.