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Crimea referendum: Voters 'back Russia union'

(BBC) Some 95.5% of voters in Crimea have supported joining Russia, officials say, after half the votes have been counted in a disputed referendum.


Crimea's leader says he will apply to join Russia on Monday. Russia's Vladimir Putin has said he will respect the Crimean people's wishes.

Many Crimeans loyal to Kiev boycotted the referendum, and the EU and US condemned it as illegal.

Pro-Russian forces took control of Crimea in February.

They moved in after Ukraine's pro-Moscow president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted after street protests.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26606097

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-- BBC 2014-03-17

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This could be so bad. I hope not.

Does not have to be. If EU and US recognize it as they did with Kosovo, problem ends right there.

95% would surely count as majority and if the whole saga is about people and nothing else, accepting majority choice should not be an issue

Not a real vote. Not much different than nutty little NK boy getting 100%, but this has much worse implications. I have many friends from the region and are all very upset. This is not even remotely about US or EU. Not even remotely.

Wife said today when she came here, it was not US citizens that showed animosity. It was all the little Eastern European border countries that hated Russians and this is going to cause huge problems over there.

Wife was totally in Putin's corner and thought West was FOS when saying Putin was going to annex Crimea. Now she is in disbelieve and thinks this thing could go to levels no one can imagine. She is pretty tied in to Moscow big business as she works for BofA as an investment banker in global wealth. She says everyone over there is shocked and worried it went this far. Forget US response, this thing could spiral out of control rapidly no matter what US does.

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This could be so bad. I hope not.

Does not have to be. If EU and US recognize it as they did with Kosovo, problem ends right there.

95% would surely count as majority and if the whole saga is about people and nothing else, accepting majority choice should not be an issue

Not a real vote. I have many friends from the region and are all very upset. This is not even remotely about US or EU. Not even remotely.

No kidding. An invading army kicks your country's armed forces out and then has a vote taken of if you want to join them. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that maybe voting for the new guy might keep your family safer than not voting for them, particularly given it is the Russian army that did the invading. Seems about as legitimate as the votes in Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.

Yes. Thank you. A voice of reason on the Internet. There is hope.

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so it is ok for Russia to annex Crimea, then Germany was correct in ww2 with the Sudetenland etc.....nah, the Russian's are shit stirring and they know it. If the Russian speaking people want to be Russian, then move to Russia.

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"Some 95.5% of voters in Crimea have supported joining Russia"

Actually, no. 95.5% of those who didn't boycott the vote have supported joining Russia.

Very high voter turn out was in the newspapers Sunday lunch time....don't know the final numbers

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so it is ok for Russia to annex Crimea, then Germany was correct in ww2 with the Sudetenland etc.....nah, the Russian's are shit stirring and they know it. If the Russian speaking people want to be Russian, then move to Russia.

If any other country would tell their minorities to give up their identity or leave everyone would shout "Nazi". But for a Russian minority it should be OK to ban their language and tell them to leave....

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It s everywhere the same Florida in the USA, The Netherlands in Europe and now Ukraine.

As always the one in power change the outcome they like with buying votes, make extra vote bills or just ransack the vote software. They don t care as long the outcome is correct for the one in power.

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Ukraine tried to set up a draft and their young men decided not to show up. The Ukrainian military in Crimea defected to the Russians.

Understanding Ukrainian history between the Bolshevik revolution and World War II will make this stuff a lot clearer. The Ukrainians surrendered in mass to the Nazi's without putting up a fight. The Ukrainians of today are the babyboomers of that war and will likely never let that history go. Glossing over that history is IMO a serious mistake.

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This could be so bad. I hope not.

Does not have to be. If EU and US recognize it as they did with Kosovo, problem ends right there.

95% would surely count as majority and if the whole saga is about people and nothing else, accepting majority choice should not be an issue

Oh sure, 95% is a majority. You know, with these people, I bet the ballot boxes were full even without anybody voting, and every station had a couple of thousands of spare pro-Russian ballots available should they be needed. Why do you think international observers were excluded?

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This could be so bad. I hope not.

Does not have to be. If EU and US recognize it as they did with Kosovo, problem ends right there.

95% would surely count as majority and if the whole saga is about people and nothing else, accepting majority choice should not be an issue

Oh sure, 95% is a majority. You know, with these people, I bet the ballot boxes were full even without anybody voting, and every station had a couple of thousands of spare pro-Russian ballots available should they be needed. Why do you think international observers were excluded?

The Crimean referendum was fully in line with international standards, its results should be recognised both in Ukraine and western countries, Austrian member of the European Parliament Johann Stadler said at the final press-conference of international observers on Sunday.

Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_17/Crimean-referendum-in-line-with-intl-standards-laws-Austrian-observer-8550/Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_17/Crimean-referendum-in-line-with-intl-standards-laws-Austrian-observer-8550/

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The vote consisted of 2 choices : a) join Russia now; and B) join Russia later. How deomocratic is that? The vote should have been 100%, not just 95.5%. Or does it mean that 95.5% voted a)? There was no proper electoral register either. So, not everyone could have voted.

However, it will be very easy to bring Crimea to its knees under Russian rule. First, Crimea has no land border with Russia. It's only border is with the Ukraine. Tourism will plummet : parly, from fear of rising tensions, but mainly since Europeans will need visas to go there. No visa is necessary for the Ukraine. It will probably become a new Transdinistr. Rather than getting richer, as they think they will do in Russia, the Crimean economy will collapse and the Ukraine could easily close the border with the Crimea altogether.

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This could be so bad. I hope not.

Does not have to be. If EU and US recognize it as they did with Kosovo, problem ends right there.

95% would surely count as majority and if the whole saga is about people and nothing else, accepting majority choice should not be an issue

Not a real vote. Not much different than nutty little NK boy getting 100%, but this has much worse implications. I have many friends from the region and are all very upset. This is not even remotely about US or EU. Not even remotely.

Wife said today when she came here, it was not US citizens that showed animosity. It was all the little Eastern European border countries that hated Russians and this is going to cause huge problems over there.

Wife was totally in Putin's corner and thought West was FOS when saying Putin was going to annex Crimea. Now she is in disbelieve and thinks this thing could go to levels no one can imagine. She is pretty tied in to Moscow big business as she works for BofA as an investment banker in global wealth. She says everyone over there is shocked and worried it went this far. Forget US response, this thing could spiral out of control rapidly no matter what US does.

You are wrong..... you are very wrong..... you are very very wrong.

The US and the EU are 100% rooted in this game, and they are playing it like chess and manipulating the situation (especially the USA) who again are acting in self interest and not the interest of the region.

You do realize that this nationalist movement in Ukraine is totally fascist, and very very dangerous. These neo nazis are planning on taking over and then the Ethnic cleansing will start including all jews, muslims and of course Russians.

They want a pure Nazi state, and they have the backing of the US state service.

You really need to take a 10 minute 'timeout' and watch this video..... all the resources are backed up from very credible neutral sources.

It is NOT a propaganda video, it has very big merit. Note the converstaion with US government officials handpicking the new nationalist Neo Nazi government from some of the vilest people.... Also the viral 'I am a Ukrainian' video.... Made by a Hollywood film crew.

The USA are into this up to their nuts. If they get their way, Ukraine will deffo be a NK ruled by fear and intimidation.

The USA should just keep the f*** out of others' politics... they are the most dangerous in the world and a lot of people are losing their patience with them..... One day the US could be turned into a smoking hole in the ground, and their foreign interferences will be their downfall.

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a dose of " oil for gold " policy by Putin will help to rein in some of those " aspirations " at the White House and EU? giggle.gif

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This could be so bad. I hope not.

Does not have to be. If EU and US recognize it as they did with Kosovo, problem ends right there.

95% would surely count as majority and if the whole saga is about people and nothing else, accepting majority choice should not be an issue

Oh sure, 95% is a majority. You know, with these people, I bet the ballot boxes were full even without anybody voting, and every station had a couple of thousands of spare pro-Russian ballots available should they be needed. Why do you think international observers were excluded?

Unless you have some evidence to support your claim, you are just talking nonsense.

There were a number of international observers, do little google search

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so it is ok for Russia to annex Crimea, then Germany was correct in ww2 with the Sudetenland etc.....nah, the Russian's are shit stirring and they know it. If the Russian speaking people want to be Russian, then move to Russia.

and it was okay for the west to bombard Iraq and Libya and have their presidents killed

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