Pheu Thai vows to defy Constitutional Court's ruling on election

[Lite Beer]

Pheu Thai vows to defy Constitutional Court's ruling on election

BANGKOK: -- The ruling Pheu Thai Party said Tuesday it would defy the Constitutional Court's ruling on the election, even before it knows what its decision is.

Bhokin Bhalakula, Pheu Thai's legal expert, said the party had yet to discuss what to do if the court nullifies the election. But it wanted to show that it felt the hearing was not right.

The statement of the party alleged the Ombudsman had no right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court as there was no conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

The party also claimed that behaviour by six independent agencies including the Election Commission, seeking to organise talks to resolve the political crisis, was suspicious.

-- The Nation 2014-03-18

[MunterHunter]

Oh boy... here we go again.

Looks like the theory that PTP want the military to stage a coup is true... If they refuse to obey the constitutional court then military intervention is the only remaining option...

Tanks by Friday anyone?

[Crushdepth]

This is stupid on so many levels I don't know where to begin.

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[JesseFrank]

Here we go again, Don't use the law to proof we are a bunch of corrupt shenanigans. We don't cling to power, we just think it's our right.

[Tatsujin]

The arrogance is truly shining bright now from the UDD and PT.

What happened to their claims of wanting democracy and insisting that others respect the laws and the constitution? Practice what you preach.

[pmugghc]

Those pesky courts, Ombudsman, NACC, etc. Let's cut their budgets more. Let's have the UDD throw more faeces and grenades at them!

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[djjamie]

State that you follow the constitution when it suits your agenda yet denounce it when it doesn't. The constitution is not a weapon that you can use to defend your stance then dismissed it when it doesn't.

This is a turning point. When a government refuse to respect the principle of democracy called "rule of law", ladies and gentlemen, then anarchy prevails.

BTW - anarchy is not democracy.

Through this blatant disregard for the constitution and the rule of law they are abdicating and encouraging violence through the terrorist Ko Tee and the largest street gang in history.

One would think a democratic government would initially calm society by denouncing any violence for or against the government and then follow that up with there assurance that the rule of law must always be followed and they will respect the highest laws in the land. One would think that this is an example to set for the people lest the people follow in the governments foot steps and disregard the rule of law as well as has been shown through the actions of the terrorist wing of the government already.

Unfortunately the PTP is predictably giving a snuff to the principles of democracy and through their actions are advocating a terrorist attack on the nation with the full knowledge that Ko Tee said "We will hear bullets echo in Bangkok"

Seems like the army may have to come in and quell this terrorist uprising lest it result in more deaths at the hands of the UDD as it did in 2010.

Edited March 18, 2014 by djjamie

[Jay Sata]

The big man lays down the law again.

[BKKBrit]

Oh boy... here we go again.

Looks like the theory that PTP want the military to stage a coup is true... If they refuse to obey the constitutional court then military intervention is the only remaining option...

Tanks by Friday anyone?

By Thursday......or sooner.

[whybother]

Can't wait to see 100's of 1000's of red shirts out protesting when the court dismisses the case.

[Rich teacher]

I see the yellow brigade are out decrying PT for disputing the legality of the Ombudsman's actions. It must be good to have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that you can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

Reality is, you just come out to cheer anything that can be construed as negative towards PT and you actually haven't got any idea about the legality of the issues involved.

[TVGerry]

Of course they're going to defy the courts. After all, it's a 'democracy'! The legally elected government is allowed to whatever they hell please and the law be damned! If these people don't abide by the law then they shouldn't complain if their government is brought by say another coup.

[bigbamboo]

Thais seem to run to the courts in the same way as a baby cries for it's mother. Then if they're still not happy they throw their toys out of the pram.

[dru2]

I see the yellow brigade are out decrying PT for disputing the legality of the Ombudsman's actions. It must be good to have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that you can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

Reality is, you just come out to cheer anything that can be construed as negative towards PT and you actually haven't got any idea about the legality of the issues involved.

Reality is no honest teacher is ever rich unless through inherited wealth.

Who bought you, sunshine? Or is your handle as nonsensical as your all-too-predicatble posts?

[Rob8891]

The ruling Pheu Thai Party said Tuesday it would defy the Constitutional Court's ruling on the election, even before it knows what its decision is.

QUOTE (from the CT PM herself):

"If all factions follow His Majesty the King's remark on performing one's duty under the rule and with justice, problems in the country should be resolved,"

(http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/711892-caretaker-pm-yingluck-mum-on-proposed-mediation-to-end-political-impasse/)

For once I agree with Diva Barbie, (but the trouble is the incalculable depth of her hypocrisy).

The PTP is well and truly out of control and unfit to govern even a melted ice cream. Who in the PTP made or even authorised the headline statement? There are so many likely candidates to choose from...Jatuporn, Ko Tee, Chalerm, ..... they are now showing their real and pitifully limited understanding of democracy...give us what we want, or we will bomb, burn and shoot you.

[givenall]

The arrogance is truly shining bright now from the UDD and PT.

What happened to their claims of wanting democracy and insisting that others respect the laws and the constitution? Practice what you preach.

This Taksin style, obey the law only if is their favor, otherwise war or skip town!!!!!!

[Scamper]

This is the game changer we all feared. Pheu Thai have outdone even themselves. They haven't just defied a Constitutional Court ruling. They will defy a Constitutional Court ruling whatever it is ! Not only that, but the Constitutional Court can now take it's place of honour among Pheu Thai's list of targets. They now include no less than six independent agencies, including the Election Commission and the National Anti-Corruption Commission, as well as the Civil Court and the Criminal Court. Is there anyone left ? Pheu Thai, the UDD, and most particularly the man behind it all - Thaksin - are now completely out of control. Thaksin has clearly placed his bets. Instead of allowing the legal system to do what it is supposed to do, he would rather risk chaos from his insane UDD leaders. If he can't have what he wants, he'll take everyone down with him. But one thing is certain. Thaksin has lost. He has lost every moral argument he ever pretended to pose. If he prefers acting like a tyrant, then let him order his hotel chambermaids about. What he doesn't count on is that the Thai people - by and large - are decent, decent people, who respect the rule of law and do not bend to terror or intimidation. The Thai people will prevail over Thaksin - because they are head over heels more mature than he ever will be. The Thai people are frankly tired of it and they want to move on. And they've earned it.

[bigbamboo]

This is the game changer we all feared. Pheu Thai have outdone even themselves. They haven't just defied a Constitutional Court ruling. They will defy a Constitutional Court ruling whatever it is ! Not only that, but the Constitutional Court can now take it's place of honour among Pheu Thai's list of targets. They now include no less than six independent agencies, including the Election Commission and the National Anti-Corruption Commission, as well as the Civil Court and the Criminal Court. Is there anyone left ? Pheu Thai, the UDD, and most particularly the man behind it all - Thaksin - are now completely out of control. Thaksin has clearly placed his bets. Instead of allowing the legal system to do what it is supposed to do, he would rather risk chaos from his insane UDD leaders. If he can't have what he wants, he'll take everyone down with him. But one thing is certain. Thaksin has lost. He has lost every moral argument he ever pretended to pose. If he prefers acting like a tyrant, then let him order his hotel chambermaids about. What he doesn't count on is that the Thai people - by and large - are decent, decent people, who respect the rule of law and do not bend to terror or intimidation. The Thai people will prevail over Thaksin - because they are head over heels more mature than he ever will be. The Thai people are frankly tired of it and they want to move on. And they've earned it.

To paraphrase Churchill, "This is not the end of this government. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is perhaps the end of the beginning."

[JesseFrank]

I see the yellow brigade are out decrying PT for disputing the legality of the Ombudsman's actions. It must be good to have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that you can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

Reality is, you just come out to cheer anything that can be construed as negative towards PT and you actually haven't got any idea about the legality of the issues involved.

I would assume that the constitutional court judges know the law, and the fact that they accepted the petition would mean that the ombudsman was in his right to do so.

[englishoak]

The courts are no less corrupt that the rest of society here. I think you'll find that is the inference of the comment. When you have a whole system that is messed up its little surprise the courts are suspect as well.

In a way highlighting this is good for everyone. There was no mention of reforming the judicial system and the rule of law should come very high on the list along with the police enforcing these rulings those who sit in judgement should also be neutral and concerned only with what is legal and what isnt.. this has not been and is not the case, we have seen some very strange rulings of late and behaviours of certain agencies that have gone far beyond their supposed neutral status.

If things are going to change here and be reformed it should be made clear to one and all that if people can ignore court orders and summons to appear on one side then it is perfectly ok to ignore another order or finding by the opposite side. The law system here is broken no less than everything else.

We also dont know this OP heading is true or accurate, it IS the Nation after all

Tanks in by Friday ? nope I don't think so

[Rich teacher]

I see the yellow brigade are out decrying PT for disputing the legality of the Ombudsman's actions. It must be good to have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that you can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

Reality is, you just come out to cheer anything that can be construed as negative towards PT and you actually haven't got any idea about the legality of the issues involved.

I would assume that the constitutional court judges know the law, and the fact that they accepted the petition would mean that the ombudsman was in his right to do so.

& OJ Simpson wasn't guilty.

[kimamey]

I see the yellow brigade are out decrying PT for disputing the legality of the Ombudsman's actions. It must be good to have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that you can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

Reality is, you just come out to cheer anything that can be construed as negative towards PT and you actually haven't got any idea about the legality of the issues involved.

I wonder what the government would do if the decision went in their favour. How would they defy it?

[MunterHunter]

I see the yellow brigade are out decrying PT for disputing the legality of the Ombudsman's actions. It must be good to have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that you can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

Reality is, you just come out to cheer anything that can be construed as negative towards PT and you actually haven't got any idea about the legality of the issues involved.

I wonder what the government would do if the decision went in their favour. How would they defy it?

Yingluck would come out and say it was the Fake PTP who said that...

[whoisyourdaddy]

So just to get it right.

Current government refuses to follow the law, but expects opposition and anyone or everyone else to follow it?

[culicine]

I see the yellow brigade are out decrying PT for disputing the legality of the Ombudsman's actions. It must be good to have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that you can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

Reality is, you just come out to cheer anything that can be construed as negative towards PT and you actually haven't got any idea about the legality of the issues involved.

..and I guess you are impartial....right Don't give up teaching, mate.

[kimamey]

I see the yellow brigade are out decrying PT for disputing the legality of the Ombudsman's actions. It must be good to have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that you can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

Reality is, you just come out to cheer anything that can be construed as negative towards PT and you actually haven't got any idea about the legality of the issues involved.

You do have a point there. Most of us have don't have a great knowledge of the Thai legal system so we can't be sure.

The question is where do we go to find out? Who does have have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that they can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter, and also isn't biased?

Edited March 18, 2014 by kimamey

[rickirs]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

[whoisyourdaddy]

I see the yellow brigade are out decrying PT for disputing the legality of the Ombudsman's actions. It must be good to have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that you can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

Reality is, you just come out to cheer anything that can be construed as negative towards PT and you actually haven't got any idea about the legality of the issues involved.

You do have a point there. Most of us have don't have a great knowledge of the Thai legal system so we can't be sure.

The question is where do we go to find out? Who does have have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that they can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter, and also isn't biased?

One does not need to have a great knowledge to understand court rulings are final .

If someone is not satisfied with court ruling, they can appeal to higher courts.

To simply defy court orders because it does not suit the agenda leads to total anarchy, though red shirt bafoons will call it democracy .

Their understanding of democracy is doing whatever they like and how they like it. How it affects others does not even cross their minds .

[whybother]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

Don't you just love red shirt supporters re-writing history!!!

[whoisyourdaddy]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

So another words, screw the courts and get on with raping the country?

PS. PTP has had years to change the judges , any reason why they have not? And if they have, any reason why new judges do not support them ? Besides the obvious of course