NACC to probe Yingluck's role in ministers' speeches

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NACC to probe PM's role in ministers' speeches
ANUPHAN CHANTANA
THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- THE NATIONAL Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) has the right to interrogate caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra for allegedly failing to stop two ministers from provoking an uprising and introducing separatist sentiments, NACC deputy secretary general Witthaya Arkompitak said yesterday.

The NACC has set up a panel to investigate Yingluck over a complaint filed by Democrat Party legal expert Wiratana Kalayasiri.

In his complaint, Wiratana alleged that Yingluck had committed malfeasance and dereliction of duty by failing to stop caretaker Interior Minister Charupong Ruangsuwan and caretaker deputy Commerce Minister Nuttawut Saikuar from inciting red-shirt supporters to commit the unconstitutional offence of trying to divide the country. Both ministers took to the stage at a red-shirt rally in Nakhon Ratchasima on February 23 and allegedly called on the red shirts to take up an armed struggle to intimidate independent agencies.

In reaction to this, caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung wondered how Yingluck could be held responsible for what Charupong said, as she was just a member of a political party of which Charupong was the leader. Also, he claimed that the Criminal Code could not be applied to Yingluck because she was not an "official under the penal code".

However, he said he backed the military's complaint against those who supposedly called for secession.

In response to questions about a photograph of red-shirt leader and PM's deputy secretary-general Suporn Atthawong with a group of "volunteers supporting secession in Sakon Nakhon", Chalerm said Suporn was just "having fun".

Meanwhile, Witthaya said the anti-graft commission could take recourse under the NACC Act to conduct an investigation of Yingluck.

Separately, Yingluck has until March 29 to provide her defence statement before the agency can decide whether to indict her for allegedly failing to avoid losses from the rice-pledging scheme, which critics say is plagued by corruption.


-- The Nation 2014-03-20

[Tatsujin]

Chalerm said Suporn was just "having fun" . . . that has to be the one of the most inane comment so far from his lips, and only the most gullible and foolish will believe a word he says.

[NongKhaiKid]

What a headline as for a moment I thought it was being suggested YL had actually HELPED in the writing of speeches.

However her failing to do anything, again, is more like it. .

[Siripon]

'Just having fun', Chalerm is the ultimate in utter nonsense.

[virtualtraveller]

Careful what you wish for, how many democrats have taken to the PDRC stage speaking loosely over 'overthrowing' the govt.

[whybother]

This is ridiculous. If the NACC investigated the PMs role in her own speeches, they'd struggle to find any evidence.

[dru2]

Careful what you wish for, how many democrats have taken to the PDRC stage speaking loosely over 'overthrowing' the govt.

1. Former Democrat MPs involved in the PDRC rallies were careful to resign beforehand.

2. Calling for the overthrow of a government is a democratic right in Thailand. Secession is not.

Not even a good try...

[djjamie]

Careful what you wish for, how many democrats have taken to the PDRC stage speaking loosely over 'overthrowing' the govt.

Well how many then? Links? Anything?

[huanga]

I hope Chalerm did not use the same excuse " he was just having fun" when he got his son off the murder charge years back? Hmm... let me rethink this, his son was having fun when he shot someone dead at the club....

What an un-scrupled idiot babbling out his ass!

[LomSak27]

Another Court Case!! Excellent Work

Go Team Yellow

Fight Team Yellow

Win Team Yellow

Maybe they cannnot win an election, but does it matter

I think not

[CiaranO]

Land of hubs, probes and idiots now

[chainarong]

Depending on the law of the land , generally speeches of hate, violence , racist comments, sedition in most western Democracy's ,you are in deep Sh!!t , these people as General Prayuth said, are not honourable people and whilst the red shirt team wring their hands in frustration you must admit that you sure have a few loose marbles in your lot, that needs to be kicked out and a moderate , sensible clear thinking team installed , not that the other side are angels, however they don't seem to mouth off as much as the PTP / red shirt brigade.

[Fryslan boppe]

To continue the defend the NACC's abnormality as being normal, is an effort to create a silk purse from a sow's ear, but part of a campaign to paint the "independent" organizations as politically neutral. This led to the Gang of 6 proposing that, as "independent" agencies, they could develop some kind of neutral panel to sort out a political compromise.

This is all make believe nonsense with respect to the National Anti-Corruption Commission. This is clearly demonstrated by this NACC initiative, launching a fact-finding probe against the Prime Minister. This effort is apparently for allegedly failing to restrain and to take actions against her two cabinet ministers who took part in February 23 red-shirt rally in Nakhon Ratchasima during which some speakers openly incited unrest and advocated violence and separatism......Never mind the idiocy which has been hurled from Suthep and Co. stages the last while....Apparently all of that was filled with angelic purity.

Senior politicians are now held responsible for many more things than might have seemed reasonable in earlier years, the idea that a premier is responsible for every public utterance by every minister seems just a little odd.

The NACC seems to think that Yingluck should have restrained ministers in a distant province and then should have taken "punitive actions against the two ministers for their unbecoming conduct."

"Unbecoming behavior" now seems to be considered corruption. The NACC seems to define "corruption" in exceptionally broad ways only because it is so biased and determined to destroy the government. Plus in the process, nullify the votes of an electoral majority who choose this Govt, and would do so again. Clarifies how much an organization like this, is imbued with anti-democracy impulses.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[djjamie]

Another Court Case!! Excellent Work

Go Team Yellow

Fight Team Yellow

Win Team Yellow

Maybe they cannnot win an election, but does it matter

I think not

It amazes me that no matter what the subject matter is it always gets turned into "elections" The only principle of democracy that the PTP adhere too and it is always refurred back too. Never the other principles of democracy like "rule of law" or "freedom of speech", freedom of beliefs", "equal protection under the law" Why? Because the PTP don't adhere to those principles. So in a way you can definitely say the PTP are democratic. 1/15th democratic. I am 1/15^th Irish and know a few Irish jokes, but I know nothing about Ireland and their culture. So one could postulate that the PTP know nothing about democracy and that my friend has been shown by them constantly.

When ever there is an OP I might start saying

Another Court Case!! Excellent Work

Go Team Red

Fight Team Red

Win Team Red

Maybe they cannot respect the rule of law, freedom of beliefs, freedom of speech and equal protection under the law, but does it matter

I think not

1/15th democratic and your proud of it!! That's PTP logic right there.

[LomSak27]

Never the other principles of democracy like "rule of law" or "freedom of speech", freedom of beliefs", "equal protection under the law" Why? Because the PTP don't adhere to those principles

Actually Djjamie as the courts side with the Yellows, Democratic party, Royals etc. and this being Thailand why would you presume that "the rule of law" has anything to do with these court cases?

How did they get rid of that PM ... oh right he had a cooking show ... Whatever works

Thailand's Constitutional Court Tuesday fired the country's prime minister, Samak Sundaravej, for violating the constitution by hosting a TV cooking show while in office.

Thats how the big boys do things in the Big Durian, djjamie, better be careful you might get run over.

[AleG]

Never the other principles of democracy like "rule of law" or "freedom of speech", freedom of beliefs", "equal protection under the law" Why? Because the PTP don't adhere to those principles

Actually Djjamie as the courts side with the Yellows, Democratic party, Royals etc. and this being Thailand why would you presume that "the rule of law" has anything to do with these court cases?

How did they get rid of that PM ... oh right he had a cooking show ... Whatever works

Thailand's Constitutional Court Tuesday fired the country's prime minister, Samak Sundaravej, for violating the constitution by hosting a TV cooking show while in office.

Thats how the big boys do things in the Big Durian, djjamie, better be careful you might get run over.

Are these the same pro-yellow, pro-Democrats courts that last week booted out the Bangkok governor for something someone else said?

Edited March 20, 2014 by AleG

[thesetat2013]

So many posters here think that if YL and the PTP MPs lose their position in power in the Gov that Sutheps group will take over. I don't believe this to be the case though. Nobody seems to care much about Suthep. They listen to him becausr he is not scared to say the bad things that this GOV have been hiding from the people. If the courts force this Gov out i think the majority of the people will want to hold elections again. I just hope for Thailands sake that they make some new laws to prevent leaders from abusing their positions without serious repercussions.

I also hope they abolish both the PTP, UDD, PDRC, DEMS, and any other political groups that have shown they think they are above the law.

Thailand needs these people banned from all politics including family members who would be puppets in their positions.

Thailand needs to have leaders who are qualified with the education in politics and experienced as leaders. Any others will only take advantage of the Thai people and of their access to the Thai coffers. (Whats left in them anyway)

Only when this happens will Thai have a responsible working Democratic Gov.

Unfortunately, this will not happen here or if it does it will happen in the very distant future. The Thais follow money, power, influence, favors, or appearance. If that isn't enough then fear from repercussions or injury is what makes them choose who is in power.

The people in the North are far from stupid as some think. But they only have knowledge about what their biased TV, news, and local gossip tells them which is why nobody will ever see YL and the PTP or UDD in the South. The PTP and UDD keep it this way and threaten or scare away anyone who has tried to talk with the people in the North anything that opposes what the PTP is telling them. Only recently when some farmers in the North didn't get paid did they begin to see that their leaders and parties were boldly lying to their faces. Hence YL and the PTPs loss of supporters.

Maybe in the future someone will brave the risks of going North and provide the people not just with facts about Thailand true. But with choices they can see will truly benefit all thai people. If the political parties are dissolved and banned from politics along with family members then perhaps this all could happen faster. I think the only segregation between the North and the rest of Thailand still exists only because it benefits the political parties. YL will only be in history soon. With so many cases against her she can never win them all and she should consider herself fortunate if she is allowed to remain a free woman or allowed to remain in Thailand.

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[moe666]

I believe what they are looking at is the fact she didn't speak out against this until it had also happened in Chiang Mai when she was greeted by demonstrators with Lanna Republic on the head bands. She finally spoke out against the whole mess after the army said they would bring charges against the Red 51 leadership. She was very slow in defending the constitution and has she ever admonished her ministers for being stupid.

It was a week or more before she spoke up and then it was a very weak statement

[Rob8891]

I believe what they are looking at is the fact she didn't speak out against this until it had also happened in Chiang Mai when she was greeted by demonstrators with Lanna Republic on the head bands. She finally spoke out against the whole mess after the army said they would bring charges against the Red 51 leadership. She was very slow in defending the constitution and has she ever admonished her ministers for being stupid.

It was a week or more before she spoke up and then it was a very weak statement

On the bright side she tries weakly weekly...

[kuthow]

It's long overdue for Yingluck to take responsibility for selecting a multiple-indicted-out-on-bail red shirt Nattawut to be a member of her Cabinet.

What did she expect he would do?

She should have expected him to do exactly what he ended up doing with his call to arms and secession in his fiery speeches in Korat.

There are consequences for such malfeasance by her.

.

Edited March 20, 2014 by kuthow

[whybother]

Never the other principles of democracy like "rule of law" or "freedom of speech", freedom of beliefs", "equal protection under the law" Why? Because the PTP don't adhere to those principles

Actually Djjamie as the courts side with the Yellows, Democratic party, Royals etc. and this being Thailand why would you presume that "the rule of law" has anything to do with these court cases?

How did they get rid of that PM ... oh right he had a cooking show ... Whatever works

Thailand's Constitutional Court Tuesday fired the country's prime minister, Samak Sundaravej, for violating the constitution by hosting a TV cooking show while in office.

Thats how the big boys do things in the Big Durian, djjamie, better be careful you might get run over.

He had a cooking show, which he got paid for, which he lied about in court, while he was PM.

But ignoring those extra details makes it sound so much better, doesn't it?

[pattayaorganic]

Never the other principles of democracy like "rule of law" or "freedom of speech", freedom of beliefs", "equal protection under the law" Why? Because the PTP don't adhere to those principles

Actually Djjamie as the courts side with the Yellows, Democratic party, Royals etc. and this being Thailand why would you presume that "the rule of law" has anything to do with these court cases?

How did they get rid of that PM ... oh right he had a cooking show ... Whatever works

Thailand's Constitutional Court Tuesday fired the country's prime minister, Samak Sundaravej, for violating the constitution by hosting a TV cooking show while in office.

Thats how the big boys do things in the Big Durian, djjamie, better be careful you might get run over.

Do you not see the incredible disconnect to reality in your own comment. Do you think running a country is a joke? Do you think the person elected by the people should be able to host a freakin' cooking show (for pay) while running a country??? Don't you think the Prime Minister should wait until the end of his term for these activities? The law is clear on this issue and the spirit of the law is that if you are elected Prime Minister you are to devote 100% of your time and effort to running the country. You turn the ridiculousness of this issue on its head. The law was broken. The Prime Minister did not devote his time to running the country and he paid the legal price for it.

You don't think an idiot doing a cooking show FOR PAY during an active term as Prime Minister, who clearly violated the law is subject to punishment according to the law?

Oh no I forget, we win elections, the law doesn't apply to us, the recurring red theme.

Please forgive me.

[kuthow]

Never the other principles of democracy like "rule of law" or "freedom of speech", freedom of beliefs", "equal protection under the law" Why? Because the PTP don't adhere to those principles

Actually Djjamie as the courts side with the Yellows, Democratic party, Royals etc. and this being Thailand why would you presume that "the rule of law" has anything to do with these court cases?

How did they get rid of that PM ... oh right he had a cooking show ... Whatever works

Thailand's Constitutional Court Tuesday fired the country's prime minister, Samak Sundaravej, for violating the constitution by hosting a TV cooking show while in office.

Thats how the big boys do things in the Big Durian, djjamie, better be careful you might get run over.

Are these the same pro-yellow, pro-Democrats courts that last week booted out the Bangkok governor for something someone else said?

Indeed, there are many instances to dispute the broad brushing.

As for Samak, it wasn't the court that "fired" him. They only disqualified him from being PM. He could have returned to being PM in a parliamentary vote, but Thaksin "fired" him and instead chose his brother-in-law Somchai as his new proxy PM.

[antimedia]

Chalerm said Suporn was just "having fun" . . . that has to be the one of the most inane comment so far from his lips, and only the most gullible and foolish will believe a word he says.

That accounts for more than half of the population - REDS

[djjamie]

Never the other principles of democracy like "rule of law" or "freedom of speech", freedom of beliefs", "equal protection under the law" Why? Because the PTP don't adhere to those principles

Actually Djjamie as the courts side with the Yellows, Democratic party, Royals etc. and this being Thailand why would you presume that "the rule of law" has anything to do with these court cases?

How did they get rid of that PM ... oh right he had a cooking show ... Whatever works

Thailand's Constitutional Court Tuesday fired the country's prime minister, Samak Sundaravej, for violating the constitution by hosting a TV cooking show while in office.

Thats how the big boys do things in the Big Durian, djjamie, better be careful you might get run over.

You show me a DEM PM that has been on a cooking show and has not been impeached and then your argument is valid. Until then it holds no weight.

PTP are 1/15th democratic. "Elections" That is as democratic as my left shoe that my wife is currently cleaning the dog poo off of.

When the PTP and their coalition parties have 300 seats (out of 500 seats) in parliament and they can't be bothered to muster the votes without committing voting fraud it is a true reflection of their contempt of the only principle of democracy they purport to respect. Now this is when they would have irrefutably won legally. Imagine what they do in general elections.

Edited March 20, 2014 by djjamie

[LomSak27]

You can maintain whatever fictions help you sleep well at night, but the courts have been on the democratic side since 04 at least.

Does acknowledging reality somehow upset you

If you are going to be living in Thailand for any length of time you better be able to deal with it - and at least have a laugh about it.

[rubl]

To continue the defend the NACC's abnormality as being normal, is an effort to create a silk purse from a sow's ear, but part of a campaign to paint the "independent" organizations as politically neutral. This led to the Gang of 6 proposing that, as "independent" agencies, they could develop some kind of neutral panel to sort out a political compromise.

This is all make believe nonsense with respect to the National Anti-Corruption Commission. This is clearly demonstrated by this NACC initiative, launching a fact-finding probe against the Prime Minister. This effort is apparently for allegedly failing to restrain and to take actions against her two cabinet ministers who took part in February 23 red-shirt rally in Nakhon Ratchasima during which some speakers openly incited unrest and advocated violence and separatism......Never mind the idiocy which has been hurled from Suthep and Co. stages the last while....Apparently all of that was filled with angelic purity.

Senior politicians are now held responsible for many more things than might have seemed reasonable in earlier years, the idea that a premier is responsible for every public utterance by every minister seems just a little odd.

The NACC seems to think that Yingluck should have restrained ministers in a distant province and then should have taken "punitive actions against the two ministers for their unbecoming conduct."

"Unbecoming behavior" now seems to be considered corruption. The NACC seems to define "corruption" in exceptionally broad ways only because it is so biased and determined to destroy the government. Plus in the process, nullify the votes of an electoral majority who choose this Govt, and would do so again. Clarifies how much an organization like this, is imbued with anti-democracy impulses.

Well, at least you seem to agree that the behaviour of the ministers was unbecoming. With the PM having handpicked her cabinet it would seem that she is implicitly guilty as even with five cabinet reshuffles she still managed to select morons, allegedly that is.

[djjamie]

You can maintain whatever fictions help you sleep well at night, but the courts have been on the democratic side since 04 at least.

Does acknowledging reality somehow upset you

If you are going to be living in Thailand for any length of time you better be able to deal with it - and at least have a laugh about it.

So you came up with an example to suit your agenda. I stated "You show me a DEM PM that has been on a cooking show and has not been impeached and then your argument is valid. Until then it holds no weight" then you dismiss that obviously due to your admission that I am correct and then purport to say you are still right.

You cannot prove yourself correct through the example you gave so simply say "I am right and you are wrong" and throw in a comment about my sleeping patterns. Brilliant rebuttal there.

That's how PTP debate in parliament as well.

Edited March 20, 2014 by djjamie

[AleG]

You can maintain whatever fictions help you sleep well at night, but the courts have been on the democratic side since 04 at least.

Does acknowledging reality somehow upset you

If you are going to be living in Thailand for any length of time you better be able to deal with it - and at least have a laugh about it.

What fiction?

[kuthow]

You can maintain whatever fictions help you sleep well at night, but the courts have been on the democratic side since 04 at least.

Does acknowledging reality somehow upset you

If you are going to be living in Thailand for any length of time you better be able to deal with it - and at least have a laugh about it.

What fiction?

He's given non-fiction examples to counter his broad brushing and then dismisses them as fiction.

He then follows that up with telling others they can't acknowledge reality.

These Yingluck defenders are a laugh a minute.