Popular Post i claudius Posted March 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) There are so many points of view on here about how you should never trust a Thai woman ,she only married you for money ,they all only want you so you can support their familly and as soon as the money has gone so will they be. Then there are the ones who say never buy a house as soon as you do you will be kicked out and her Thai husband and her kids that you didnt know about will be moved in . you get the jist ,i have come to the conclusion that most of these "experts" have been here once or twice and read some silly book or read it in the papers ,then there are the poor sods who have never ever met any girl that didnt work in a bar and married the one who told him that "she only likes falangs,because Thai men no understand" this after dating her for a couple of weeks Then of course there are the vast majority of us who have done the bar scene know all the bullshit and eventually either married an honest bargirl or because they spent a lot of time here married an ordinary woman who fell in love with him just like he fell in love with her and live a normal happy life just like you would with any woman you met around the world. am i right ? Sorry the post has come up 3 times Edited March 31, 2014 by i claudius 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post benalibina Posted March 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2014 Everybody has his/her own story to tell. Its written all through the eyes of the beholder. What is your expert opinion ? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveb47 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Right about what exactly? Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wym Posted March 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2014 Speaking only for myself, I've never over-generalized about the percentage of Thai women that are evil scammers. That there is some such percentage I think no one can deny. To me, it's just a question of how do you reduce the risk, within the context of your goals and what is realistic for you to achieve. The real estate question is for me separate from the above question. Thailand has decided very strongly to prevent foreigners from owning land, and most of the schemes the lawyers come up with wouldn't stand up to close scrutiny if/when more objective authorities decide to "crack down" in the future. A certain percentage of lawyers and land-office bureaucrats are crooked, don't think anyone would deny that. Being in a location with a high density of high-value targets certainly does increase the percentage of both TG and "advisers" which are scammers. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fatdrunkandstupid Posted March 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2014 I don't claim to be an expert on Thai women. I am just grateful that, at my age, I still get to do so much research. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Showbags Posted March 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2014 They all evil...all around the world. Except my mum, she was the exception. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ste860 Posted March 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2014 i do not solely blame the thai ladies , many westerners that come here are either divorced in their home country and find it hard to find a new g/f or wife especially if they are middle aged ,so they head for thailand they have heard the stories and think all south eastern ladies take great attention to their male partners this is true to a certain extent but you need to settle in and understand their culture , ive been coming here 25 years and live here for a good few tears and im learning everyday , but the big mistake many of these men make is too fall for a bar girl , annd within 3-4 days they are head over heels in love .mistake no/1 mistake no/2 they show/tell her how much money they have then within 2-3 weeks they buy her a moterbike or gold mistake no/3 (would you buy a girl in europe a car/bike after just meeting her ) honest answers only ? i was told/learnt years ago that to earn respect here you have to look after every satang if you just splash the cash your ripe for the taking ,i see at least 1 farang lose a house or a car every month in my job i do not blame the girls its the men who are the idiots here ,all you have to do is becarful with your money and you can have a jong and happy time here .but get your wife partner to work for their money ,my wife is asked all the time why do you work when you have a farang husband ,she just laughs and says i own half the buisiness and make a decent living and dont have to ask him for anything i buy my own we have been married 8 years and ive never given her or her family a baht ,if they want it they earn it by working 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post i claudius Posted March 31, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2014 Everybody has his/her own story to tell. Its written all through the eyes of the beholder. What is your expert opinion ? I dont claim to be an expert ,far from it ,i;ve married or lived with a good few in my life ,my wife of 20 years is 24 years younger than me , we met through buisness and i have no doubt that marrying the boss ,must have been some incentive ,but it worked for us and we are as happy as larry ,i know you cannot own land hear ,but you can have a 30 year lease ,so you are safe for 30 years . some time ago i met a guy who had baught two houses and lost both , his first wife he met in a bar and hardly knew her ,you would have thought that after that he would take more care ,but he did the same again almost straight away ,you just can't help stupid . i do know though that the vast majority of the guys i know have normal ordinary marriages ,they are not married to short skirted ,tattood girls in their early 20's but ordinary if sometimes attractive women in their late 30;s and 40's and all have normal ordinary every day relationships ,just like you would with a western woman . 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benalibina Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Everybody has his/her own story to tell. Its written all through the eyes of the beholder. What is your expert opinion ? I dont claim to be an expert ,far from it ,i;ve married or lived with a good few in my life ,my wife of 20 years is 24 years younger than me , we met through buisness and i have no doubt that marrying the boss ,must have been some incentive ,but it worked for us and we are as happy as larry ,i know you cannot own land hear ,but you can have a 30 year lease ,so you are safe for 30 years . some time ago i met a guy who had baught two houses and lost both , his first wife he met in a bar and hardly knew her ,you would have thought that after that he would take more care ,but he did the same again almost straight away ,you just can't help stupid . i do know though that the vast majority of the guys i know have normal ordinary marriages ,they are not married to short skirted ,tattood girls in their early 20's but ordinary if sometimes attractive women in their late 30;s and 40's and all have normal ordinary every day relationships ,just like you would with a western woman . What strikes me in your comment about the guy you met, who has bought houses for 2 consecutive women, that you and many others, understandably, think he is very very stupid. I think that as well. However his intentions were only good and by those good intentions he got shafted. That is wrong. So in case of blaming his naivety and stupidity it would be better to blame the wrongdoer. Good is good, bad is bad......clever is clever, dumb is dumb. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 "am i right ?" I would say that your are mostly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i claudius Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 Benalibina. ever heard the saying ,"fool me once shame on you ,fool me twice ,shame on me"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wym Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) What strikes me in your comment about the guy you met, who has bought houses for 2 consecutive women, that you and many others, understandably, think he is very very stupid. I think that as well. However his intentions were only good and by those good intentions he got shafted. That is wrong. So in case of blaming his naivety and stupidity it would be better to blame the wrongdoer. Good is good, bad is bad......clever is clever, dumb is dumb. You (and I) do keep coming back to this. Someone who is willfully stupid to the point that they are obviously masochistic and self-destructive is IMO every bit as complicit in the "evil" of what we're talking about here. Some people, some cultures separate their value system in their personal lives from that operative in their business dealings. Here you'd be wise to just consider it all as "business" and protect yourself accordingly. Or just be willing to happily make donations to people needier than you. But if you go in with eyes wide open, fully informed and warned by everyone about you, and put at risk your financial sustainability, or control over your kids, or anything else of jugular importance to you, then I'm sorry but few here will give you much sympathy. Get out of the "victim stance" psychologically, take responsibility for where your past choices have brought you - only then can you start to take the steps necessary to taking control over your life and achieving the happiness you'll surely get once you've earned it - it doesn't come to those that don't deserve it, life isn't "fair" by default. Edited March 31, 2014 by wym 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdanielmcev Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I'm far too old to be an expert on anything anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 There is so much wank on these forums. It only takes few months to work it out. The ladies want SECURITY!! THEY don't have social security etc here. Clearly that's why most accept older men like myself. I can live here forever and take good care of the Thai gf. Some blokes want to come here and live on little while being say 45 or less. It will all go to rubbish unless you have money. What are they thinking. ? Come here teach English or sell sunglasses. Geez. Have the money to provide for the lady or go back to farang land till you have 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Oh buy the way the OP refers to a woman not working in a baras "an ordinary woman" Take your narrow mminded attitude back home with you tail between legs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benalibina Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Benalibina. ever heard the saying ,"fool me once shame on you ,fool me twice ,shame on me"? Yes i have heard it and not arguing against that. It still is between good and bad. Not everybody is born with or has developed the right attitude to learn from his/her mistakes. I stand by my point....good is good ..bad is bad. Btw, i have never been scammed to buy houses etc....i always had the attitude when 1st arriving in thailand...never to buy a relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beetlejuice Posted March 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2014 Most of the problems with the farang guys that seek Thai women is that they believe the rules here regarding male, female relationships are different from those in the West. But the fact is, it`s all based on the same principles. Old Granddad seeks young Thai woman believing in her eyes she will view the old guy as hunsum man and he can relive his youth again. Farang aims for women from the under classes of Thai society in the belief that these women will be more desperate, easier to pull and will remain loyal to escape their poverty and she would consider him as her knight in shining armour coming to the rescue of a damsel in distress. Ugly or plain looking Mr Average seeks beautiful Park Lane type model stunner girl for marriage. Certain farang guys that have personality inadequacies in their own countries believe these will not be noticed in Thailand. If you fit one or more of these categories, than fully expect the girl to see you as a walking ATM. On the other hand, if some farang guys are prepared to enter reality and seek Thai female partners more comparable to them, age wise, status, looks and those women who are looking for the same, than they are in with a chance of finding a nice, decent Thai lady and not being scammed or cheated. The same rules apply anywhere, not only in Thailand. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpolo Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Most of the problems with the farang guys that seek Thai women is that they believe the rules here regarding male, female relationships are different from those in the West. But the fact is, it`s all based on the same principles. Old Granddad seeks young Thai woman believing in her eyes she will view the old guy as hunsum man and he can relive his youth again. Farang aims for women from the under classes of Thai society in the belief that these women will be more desperate, easier to pull and will remain loyal to escape their poverty and she would consider him as her knight in shining armour coming to the rescue of a damsel in distress. Ugly or plain looking Mr Average seeks beautiful Park Lane type model stunner girl for marriage. Certain farang guys that have personality inadequacies in their own countries believe these will not be noticed in Thailand. If you fit one or more of these categories, than fully expect the girl to see you as a walking ATM. On the other hand, if some farang guys are prepared to enter reality and seek Thai female partners more comparable to them, age wise, status, looks and those women who are looking for the same, than they are in with a chance of finding a nice, decent Thai lady and not being scammed or cheated. The same rules apply anywhere, not only in Thailand. You mean to say, we in our 50's should sleep with women in their 50's when there is an abundance of younger women in their 30's that are willing to have us? you, must be crazy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wym Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Most of the problems with the farang guys that seek Thai women is that they believe the rules here regarding male, female relationships are different from those in the West. But the fact is, it`s all based on the same principles. Old Granddad seeks young Thai woman believing in her eyes she will view the old guy as hunsum man and he can relive his youth again. Farang aims for women from the under classes of Thai society in the belief that these women will be more desperate, easier to pull and will remain loyal to escape their poverty and she would consider him as her knight in shining armour coming to the rescue of a damsel in distress. Ugly or plain looking Mr Average seeks beautiful Park Lane type model stunner girl for marriage. Certain farang guys that have personality inadequacies in their own countries believe these will not be noticed in Thailand. If you fit one or more of these categories, than fully expect the girl to see you as a walking ATM. On the other hand, if some farang guys are prepared to enter reality and seek Thai female partners more comparable to them, age wise, status, looks and those women who are looking for the same, than they are in with a chance of finding a nice, decent Thai lady and not being scammed or cheated. The same rules apply anywhere, not only in Thailand. Either-Or Reasoning: (also False Dilemma, Black / White Fallacy). A fallacy that falsely offers only two possible alternatives even though a broad range of possible alternatives are really available. For example: old granddad employs nice decent young and beautiful Thai women to take care of him at a fair wage, without any naive beliefs about how she sees him or expecting undue loyalty nor believing he is "rescuing" anyone. Simply paying for services rendered and knowing when it ends (sooner rather than later) then there are plenty more to take her place. Sets up the deal arrangements so there isn't any possibility of him losing more than he's willing to give. I don't see how anyone would have a problem with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 WRT 'So many experts on Thailand and Thai women": YOU RANG? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I'm far too old to be an expert on anything anymore. I've never had a Thai gf, am I missing out on something? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1Str8 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Yes you are right. People have no right to complain since they are doing it to themselves and they must like what's happening otherwise they would be in the process of changing it right now. Besides your life is what you make it and all that is present in your life is your creature. I stopped counting a long time ago, how many women I have been with but how is that that none of them has ever tried to rip me off etc but rather the opposite. Treated me the best regardless of what country I was in. If you need a real woman, become a real man. Sent from my GT-I9500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpolo Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Yes you are right. People have no right to complain since they are doing it to themselves and they must like what's happening otherwise they would be in the process of changing it right now. Besides your life is what you make it and all that is present in your life is your creature. I stopped counting a long time ago, how many women I have been with but how is that that none of them has ever tried to rip me off etc but rather the opposite. Treated me the best regardless of what country I was in. If you need a real woman, become a real man. Sent from my GT-I9500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Imagine that, you probably just treated them well, and respected their uniqueness, and they did the same. pretty much the way I see it too, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wym Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 WRT 'So many experts on Thailand and Thai women": YOU RANG? Ginger or Mary Ann? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostmebike Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Looks like EEClaudius is looking for a few more 'likes'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldragon Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Most of the problems with the farang guys that seek Thai women is that they believe the rules here regarding male, female relationships are different from those in the West. But the fact is, it`s all based on the same principles. Old Granddad seeks young Thai woman believing in her eyes she will view the old guy as hunsum man and he can relive his youth again. Farang aims for women from the under classes of Thai society in the belief that these women will be more desperate, easier to pull and will remain loyal to escape their poverty and she would consider him as her knight in shining armour coming to the rescue of a damsel in distress. Ugly or plain looking Mr Average seeks beautiful Park Lane type model stunner girl for marriage. Certain farang guys that have personality inadequacies in their own countries believe these will not be noticed in Thailand. If you fit one or more of these categories, than fully expect the girl to see you as a walking ATM. On the other hand, if some farang guys are prepared to enter reality and seek Thai female partners more comparable to them, age wise, status, looks and those women who are looking for the same, than they are in with a chance of finding a nice, decent Thai lady and not being scammed or cheated. The same rules apply anywhere, not only in Thailand. You mean to say, we in our 50's should sleep with women in their 50's when there is an abundance of younger women in their 30's that are willing to have us? you, must be crazy Beetlejuice, per usual, is on point. I think what he's saying is if you want to have a relatively healthy, long-term relationship here, then you stand a better chance with a girl that's more similar to you in age, education, status, etc. Same as anywhere else in the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickylies Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I've never had a Thai gf, am I missing out on something? same here. great. go where i want, when i want, with who i want. my money, my life, my decisions. no compromising, no emotional balast, no worries. want massage: i pay (150thb/hour) want haircut: i pay (70thb) want sex: friiiiiiiiiiiii want food: i pay (30THB-300THB) want company: no, wanna be left alone not an expert on thailand nor (thai) women. but I am an expert of my own life............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickylies Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 You mean to say, we in our 50's should sleep with women in their 50's when there is an abundance of younger women in their 30's that are willing to have us? you, must be crazy he maybe crazy but YOU still don't get it ;-) however, it's your life and you should live it your way! peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebean001 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 They are people first and Thai women second. They have a different life than westerns. What are their choices for a good relationship? Thai men? Young western men who are probably worse than thai men. they have very little prospects for good relationships. they try their best and realize most men treat them as 'thai women' - they get degraded. Most want a good relationship but there is a problem. Westerns are educated differently. They love to learn more, ask questions, get good service, etc. They were not offered a good education and don't want to do a lot of thinking since they were not trained in that matter. Now what? They are use to working 7 days a week. Maybe that is too much but what happens when she goes to 0 days. This is a huge problem. What are the other activities you can do with a companion? If you are a loser (just kidding) all you want to do is sleep all day and drink all night. You sure cannot add much to a relationship. Same with her. She cannot either. She is going to get bored so you both go out drinking and both become ---- whatever. Just remember - you live in a country where you can get another girl quickly. she knows that. she needs some assurance. what are you going to give her? Like most westerner you have no idea. right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickylies Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 ^^ fully agree with ebean. thai people are not better or worse than farang. they have their way, we have our way. it's all about customs, culture, etc. and of course priorities. western guy wants thai wife that takes care of him: ok thai woman wants western guy that takes care of her: ok live and let live. up to u! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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