DSI to probe Suthep's 'people coup' speech

[tezzainoz]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Suthep Will Ask HM King To Appoint Himself As Coup Leader

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/716941-suthep-will-ask-hm-king-to-appoint-himself-as-coup-leader/

WOW, 10 bloody pages, so far, and only one, single, poster realized that this [Kaosad] headline DOES NOT REFER TO SUTHEP being appointed as coup leader, and still they go on...........

wow.

THE PDRC from the beginning advocates the role of the king.

And yet when a Royal Decree is issued, to call an election, they oppose it?

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Maybe if you read a little you would understand the reasons why

[Scamper]

As evidenced from yesterday's torrent created by Khaosod, people are already quoting from this article, which contains things which continue to remain conspicuously absent from any other publication. Why ? Isn't that just a little bit strange ? You will never find another news agency that does what Khaosod does to this story. Khaosod seems to have dropped any pretense of being anything other than Thaksin's mouthpiece, and the stops have been clearly pulled out as the publication has become little more than an open Jatuporn fantasy. The article in the Bangkok Post corroborates to a degree, but nothing like what we see here. This is vindictive. Thaksin's need for his narrative to prevail is evidenced by his commissioning of Robert Amsterdam ( who is also being quoted now ). But Khaosod take the cake, and in the last two days they have etched for themselves the very lowest rung in the " journalistic " ladder. Media is immensely influential, whether it is dealing with truth or fiction. Just ask Joe McCarthy. Or Ko Tee and red shirt radio.

Having said all this, Suthep really needs to shut up at this point. Even given the fact that his words have been stretched and framed beyond recognition, he is playing into Pheu Thai's narrative. He needs to take a back seat. Suthep and the PDRC have been essential in mobilizing public opinion. Yingluck and Phue Thai would still have legislative power were it not for their abilities to rally for reform. They are also necessary for leading the public support of the verdicts of the NACC and the Constitutional Court. That is the real story. Because Pheu Thai and the UDD in concert have clearly indicated that they would not accept the legitimacy of a guilty verdict.

The defining argument is that the UDD does not recognize the independent agencies or the legitimacy of the judiciary. That's as clear as crystal. That's as serious as it gets. The contrast between the PDRC and the UDD can be framed simply on the basis of that question alone. As Abhisit said recently - democracy is dependent on the recognition and respect of the judiciary. All of that is missing from the narrative of the UDD.

[ozvenison]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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So thats the same as Senate members 'handpicked' ?

[WoopyDoo]

Tharits day of reckoning will come... Something between the two extremes of Thaksin government and pdrc needs to be done. Personally I think the army should have stepped in my now but then the head of the army seems to only be worried about retiring with an unblemished record?

Something between the two extremes is called an election. Let the people's voice be heard - it's about time, isn't it?

The Thai People who are not sheep of a corrupt Government are aware of alleged corruption and abuses of authority by the current PTP Party

and the negative effects on the country associated with the influence of former prime minister Thakin Shinawatra.

In Jan 2014 the Election Commission (EC) had repeatedly stated it could not guarantee a fair election, but the Caretaker Government insisted on going ahead with it in a bid to whitewash its wrongdoings.

Was this a Democratic Election .............. No

Unless an election is fair, it can not be democratic.

Government supporters continued to threaten independent organisations, the people and political parties which opposed it. and the police fail to perform their duties.

Ms Yingluck had never called for the pro-government and red-shirt demonstrators to behave, suggesting that she supported the actions of these same redshirt demonstrators.

Thai People have witnessed red-shirt demonstrators threaten other party members without facing arrest.

The Democrat Party has also been threatened, many times if they want to campaign in Issan

During the 2005 general election, a political canvasser belonging to his party in Phichit province had been told to stop his campaigning.

When the threat was ignored, the canvasser was shot dead in front of his house three days before the election. Police have still not arrested any suspects

In 2014 things are even worse. Anti-government demonstrators were being ambushed on a main Hyway and no suspects had been arrested.

Under these circumstances, No other party but the PTP is safe to campaign for votes in the North East of Thailand

“The [Democrat] party conducted a survey of potential candidates nationwide and found that 80% had no safe place to campaign for votes, except those in the South, Bangkok and parts of the Central Plains.

So, is this a democratic Election, is it fair if only one political party can campaign for votes but others cannot,

I couldn't have worded it better myself.

The Thaksin method of democratic elections is to spread fear and intimidation across as much of Thailand as he possibly could with his red shirt thugs who have proven they WILL murder you if you try to campaign.

It wasn't only the Dem campaigner who was murdered in Phitchit, there was also a Dem campaigner murdered during the 2011 campaign although I can't remember where.

This is not democracy... This is the sort of thing that kept the Dems from running. Not the fact they feared losing, the fact they were pissed off with this behaviour with no recourse from the law.

Well it has to be stopped. There is no point holding an election if it can't be fair and a major overhaul will have to happen to the EC and give them more teeth to stop this once and for all, make the political parties 100% responsible and be totally harsh to the party where this behaviour exists and make no bones about it.

Come down hard on all complaints of money offering and intimidation... punish the party with instant dissolution.

That is the only way you will have a free election in this country, and it would be interesting to see which way the voter will swing in a lot of these marginal constituencies.

[rabas]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Suthep Will Ask HM King To Appoint Himself As Coup Leader

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/716941-suthep-will-ask-hm-king-to-appoint-himself-as-coup-leader/

WOW, 10 bloody pages, so far, and only one, single, poster realized that this [Kaosad] headline DOES NOT REFER TO SUTHEP being appointed as coup leader, and still they go on...........

wow.

THE PDRC from the beginning advocates the role of the king.

In English, the grammatical antecedent of "Himself" is ambiguous. A typical lame headline which would typically leave us scratching our heads, if it weren't for the reaction Suthep is getting from the Thais on their social media, and from the current care-taker government. Society's reaction within the last 24 hours makes it pretty clear that Suthep was referring to himself, and not the monarchy.

The PDRC's advocacy, which you refer to at the end of your post, has just stepped backward a notch. Now it's clearly a dictatorship headed by none other than Herr Suthep, that he has in mind. He's crossed the line, and stated what most non-followers have suspected all along. His colors are coming out, and it's not a pretty sight, from a democratic viewpoint, or from international public opinion. I expect to see more anti-government supporters starting to distance themselves, possibly even the supposed Democratic Party "voice of reason," Mr. Abhisit himself.

i believe your post evidences your wishful thinking, and maybe my rebuttal is no better. Just IMHO.

Fair enough, as actually the whole thing is probably bogus. My main point was that virtually no one dared read it the other way around, in which it would make sense since the PDRC and even the existing constitutional monarchy support the King.

As for the English, not clear but most people would read "Suthep Will Ask HF Thaksin to Shoot Himself Dead", only one way.

The human mind is a powerful filter.

Edited April 7, 2014 by rabas

[smutcakes]

Tharits day of reckoning will come... Something between the two extremes of Thaksin government and pdrc needs to be done. Personally I think the army should have stepped in my now but then the head of the army seems to only be worried about retiring with an unblemished record?

Something between the two extremes is called an election. Let the people's voice be heard - it's about time, isn't it?

The Thai People who are not sheep of a corrupt Government are aware of alleged corruption and abuses of authority by the current PTP Party

and the negative effects on the country associated with the influence of former prime minister Thakin Shinawatra.

In Jan 2014 the Election Commission (EC) had repeatedly stated it could not guarantee a fair election, but the Caretaker Government insisted on going ahead with it in a bid to whitewash its wrongdoings.

Was this a Democratic Election .............. No

Unless an election is fair, it can not be democratic.

Government supporters continued to threaten independent organisations, the people and political parties which opposed it. and the police fail to perform their duties.

Ms Yingluck had never called for the pro-government and red-shirt demonstrators to behave, suggesting that she supported the actions of these same redshirt demonstrators.

Thai People have witnessed red-shirt demonstrators threaten other party members without facing arrest.

The Democrat Party has also been threatened, many times if they want to campaign in Issan

During the 2005 general election, a political canvasser belonging to his party in Phichit province had been told to stop his campaigning.

When the threat was ignored, the canvasser was shot dead in front of his house three days before the election. Police have still not arrested any suspects

In 2014 things are even worse. Anti-government demonstrators were being ambushed on a main Hyway and no suspects had been arrested.

Under these circumstances, No other party but the PTP is safe to campaign for votes in the North East of Thailand

“The [Democrat] party conducted a survey of potential candidates nationwide and found that 80% had no safe place to campaign for votes, except those in the South, Bangkok and parts of the Central Plains.

So, is this a democratic Election, is it fair if only one political party can campaign for votes but others cannot,

I couldn't have worded it better myself.

The Thaksin method of democratic elections is to spread fear and intimidation across as much of Thailand as he possibly could with his red shirt thugs who have proven they WILL murder you if you try to campaign.

It wasn't only the Dem campaigner who was murdered in Phitchit, there was also a Dem campaigner murdered during the 2011 campaign although I can't remember where.

This is not democracy... This is the sort of thing that kept the Dems from running. Not the fact they feared losing, the fact they were pissed off with this behaviour with no recourse from the law.

Well it has to be stopped. There is no point holding an election if it can't be fair and a major overhaul will have to happen to the EC and give them more teeth to stop this once and for all, make the political parties 100% responsible and be totally harsh to the party where this behaviour exists and make no bones about it.

Come down hard on all complaints of money offering and intimidation... punish the party with instant dissolution.

That is the only way you will have a free election in this country, and it would be interesting to see which way the voter will swing in a lot of these marginal constituencies.

If you did this, you would have no parties or candidates running in the election!!! but hopefully by the 5th-6th rerun the new candidates would get the message.

As an aside you are squawking a lot about the last elections/intimidation etc, where as to their credit the Democrat Government put their hand up and said they lost fair and square- as well as similar comments from International observers. As far as I was aware, yes vote buying happened as it always had, but it was at a fairly nominal level. This has been echoed by numerous persons in the Democrat party.

What do you know that all these other people are not party to? Perhaps you should give them the heads up?

[Wombat6]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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How can you say that? Were they or were they not duly elected by the populace? Part of democracy is freedom to vote unhindered, right? Unlike your hero Suthep who wants the exact opposite of democracy and the freedom to vote unhindered (or otherwise)

Candidates can be selected prior to any voting

[bigbamboo]

Why hasn't Tart had Suthep arrested yet? Are they waiting for the old lady with the walking stick to nod off before Chalerm and the boys can safely move in on their target?

[geovalin]

"Sovereign Body", WOW!

Sounds hot!

[tezzainoz]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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How can you say that? Were they or were they not duly elected by the populace? Part of democracy is freedom to vote unhindered, right? Unlike your hero Suthep who wants the exact opposite of democracy and the freedom to vote unhindered (or otherwise)

Candidates can be selected prior to any voting

If you read more you will find the answer

[pookiki]

Tharits day of reckoning will come... Something between the two extremes of Thaksin government and pdrc needs to be done. Personally I think the army should have stepped in my now but then the head of the army seems to only be worried about retiring with an unblemished record?

Something between the two extremes is called an election. Let the people's voice be heard - it's about time, isn't it?

The Thai People who are not sheep of a corrupt Government are aware of alleged corruption and abuses of authority by the current PTP Party

and the negative effects on the country associated with the influence of former prime minister Thakin Shinawatra.

In Jan 2014 the Election Commission (EC) had repeatedly stated it could not guarantee a fair election, but the Caretaker Government insisted on going ahead with it in a bid to whitewash its wrongdoings.

Was this a Democratic Election .............. No

Unless an election is fair, it can not be democratic.

Government supporters continued to threaten independent organisations, the people and political parties which opposed it. and the police fail to perform their duties.

Ms Yingluck had never called for the pro-government and red-shirt demonstrators to behave, suggesting that she supported the actions of these same redshirt demonstrators.

Thai People have witnessed red-shirt demonstrators threaten other party members without facing arrest.

The Democrat Party has also been threatened, many times if they want to campaign in Issan

During the 2005 general election, a political canvasser belonging to his party in Phichit province had been told to stop his campaigning.

When the threat was ignored, the canvasser was shot dead in front of his house three days before the election. Police have still not arrested any suspects

In 2014 things are even worse. Anti-government demonstrators were being ambushed on a main Hyway and no suspects had been arrested.

Under these circumstances, No other party but the PTP is safe to campaign for votes in the North East of Thailand

“The [Democrat] party conducted a survey of potential candidates nationwide and found that 80% had no safe place to campaign for votes, except those in the South, Bangkok and parts of the Central Plains.

So, is this a democratic Election, is it fair if only one political party can campaign for votes but others cannot,

It would seem that Suthep's show is a one-trick pony. "No elections before reform" decided by? Suthep and his sheep will keep finding excuses and/or violence to keep people from voting with civil war a distinct possibility. Is democracy one group's vision of what is best for the Thai people? I condemn violence by any party or group. But when there is such a myopic view that violence is just in the domain of one group and/or a 'people's coup' will set everything right in Thailand, this is about as far removed from reality as you can get.

[IamNoone88]

The basic threat is that if neither can rule, then the other will break the country. That is not leadership, that is not putting your country before yourself or democracy. It is simply greed, blackmail and ignorance and no good will come of this. I have to believe that there is an opportunity here for a new party with a moderate and charismatic leader who has a voice and can gain the peoples respect, galvanise a nation and come forth with policies to benefit all classes, build the economy and set a fine example to law abiding and hard working Thais who at the end of the day, want and need nothing more than better future for their children .......... as the rest of Asia leaves them behind. If these parties represented a "company", would you invest in them? I think not.

[jcb2001]

Tharits day of reckoning will come... Something between the two extremes of Thaksin government and pdrc needs to be done. Personally I think the army should have stepped in my now but then the head of the army seems to only be worried about retiring with an unblemished record?

Something between the two extremes is called an election. Let the people's voice be heard - it's about time, isn't it?

Matter of fact, no. Not until the elections can be certified that no organizations, or person can unfairly sway the vote. Only until then, can free and democratic elections be held.

[Donk]

He clearly shows that he is a very sick man and he needs treatment urgently.

[diehard60]

There you have it. He is a raving lunitic. He has just said he wants to be dictator. With him there will be no democray. This is the same thing as "les majesty". He is going against the wishes of His Majesty the King.

[Kooweerup]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

After all the postings proving this was wrong

why are you still living in La La Land and in your mind you have not past posting No. 1

and we things Thai's don;t have the ability to think

The postings by individuals on here with their personal opinions only don't pove that the story is wrong. They are merely the options of Suthep admirers, his love struck groupies.

[Bluespunk]

There you have it. He is a raving lunitic. He has just said he wants to be dictator. With him there will be no democray. This is the same thing as "les majesty". He is going against the wishes of His Majesty the King.

except he didn't say it.

[TheReporter]

The criminal justice system in Thailand is nothing but a joke, when it comes to dealing with political figures like Suthep. It is basically teethless and it can only make threats of arrests and prosecution, but it can never carry them out. For example, countless of arrest warrants had been issued by the court for Suthep's arrest, but none has been carried out for many reasons that I do not even care to list them all in this comment. Suthep is laughing and continue to make public statements which are in serious violations of the law, because he knows there is nothing the system can do to him. Thailand really needs to evaluate its criminal justice system among other equally important systems in the country to ensure that they are transparent and functional for the purposes intended and not as a tool to intimiate or threat others, such as in this case. If and when court orders are issued and there is no enforcement action that is taken, this undermines the very existance of the system and the entire system becomes an open field for people to roam freely without any fear of reprecussion. On the other hand, I have seen the same system being overly harsh (unlawful prosecutions) on ordinary citizens who do not have the poilitical power or financial means to defend themselves from such legal actions. This double standard is also a fundamental factor to destroying the trust and confidence in the justice system as well as undermining it at the same time. DSI and CAPO, STOP YOUR GAME PLAYING AND DO YOUR JOB by first ensuring that enforcement actions are taken on those arrest warrants that had already been issued for Suthep's arrest. Maybe then we will believe that your so called investigations into some of Suthep's recent activities may yield some results, in terms of taking enforcement actions against the criminal violations which he continues to commit.

[WhizBang]

What took them so long he made is mad max speech on Saturday.

Did he actually say what khaosod reported though?

On another note, how is tarit's own dodgy land deal case going?

No, Khaosod out and out lied in their "reporting".

That makes more sense than the article did.

So what did Suthep actually say? Has there been any reliable reporting on that? Anywhere?

[MGP]

My Thai friends have confirmed that Suthep did not say such things.

Instead of incriminating Suthep, the DSI should probe the incendiary speech of Robert Amsterdam at the UDD rally via Skype.

Robert Amsterdam insulted Royal Thai institutions like the Constitutional Court, the National Anti-Corruption Commission, the Judicial System…

If we compare the speech of Robert Amsterdam with the speech of Sathit Segal, Sathit did not showed disrespect or attacked any person or institution; Sathit basically said that for the goodness of Thailand there should be more transparency and less corruption. And yet they wanted to deport him.

Robert Amsterdam is Anti-Thai (or in other words, 100% Pro-Thaksinista)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQE-xFD-p08&feature=youtu.be

Edited April 7, 2014 by MGP

[Tatsujin]

What took them so long he made is mad max speech on Saturday.

Did he actually say what khaosod reported though?

On another note, how is tarit's own dodgy land deal case going?

No, Khaosod out and out lied in their "reporting".

That makes more sense than the article did.

So what did Suthep actually say? Has there been any reliable reporting on that? Anywhere?

Yes, any other news source except Khaosod. Nation and Post both have more accurate translations.

[NeilSA1]

We will have to wait and see if the newspaper report is untrue - it will prove beyond all doubt that some Red supporters are rogues. Pro- government will lose support.

If the newspaper report is true - it will prove that Suthep cannot be trusted. Anti-government will lose support.

[Tatsujin]

There you have it. He is a raving lunitic. He has just said he wants to be dictator. With him there will be no democray. This is the same thing as "les majesty". He is going against the wishes of His Majesty the King.

Please go read it somewhere else other than Khaosod. What they wrote were blatant lies and a smear campaign, nothing more.

[antimedia]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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He didn't say it sunshine: so what do you have to say now after falling off your soapbox. Better still get back up on your bar stool and have another Lao Khao, this is grown ups business.

Edited April 7, 2014 by antimedia

[Alwyn]

So all of those Suthep fans who were so vociferous in claiming Suthep has no interest in putting himself in power, what do you have to say now after this speech? <Mr. Suthep has said he would install himself as a "Sovereign Body" and present his own list of Prime Minister and Cabinet members to His Majesty the King to seek his Royal Approval. The PCAD will establish unelected legislative bodies afterwards, he explained, and implement series of "reforms" in Thailand.>

That's democracy then is it? He's bonkers and the cause of a lot of needless violence and deaths.

Its far more democratic than having members of the Shinawatra clan hand picked by one sad old fugitive in Arabia

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He didn't say it sunshine: so what do you have to say now after falling off your soapbox. Better still get back up on your bar stool and have another Lao Khao, this is grown ups business.

I'm confused by antimedia's comment. Are you saying Suthep didn't say such a thing? And you know this because.....? Because you said so (sunshine)? Grown ups business, very grown up of you to make such a comment mush.

[seajae]

so tarrit will investigate the lies printed by thaksins own propaganda sheet but will not do anything about the red leaders calling for a divided Thailand and threatening to start a war, let alone try to find who the child killers are, typical of the one sided crap that this idiot sprooks, cant wait for his day in court then his many years in jail, ah bliss

[Carrerakiss]

The DSI would be better employed in seeking out the grenade throwing child killers !

Instead of taking sides and suggesting only crimes committed by one side (or the other) be investigated, why don't you push for all crimes committed by anyone, be investigated?

Just because Thailand doesn't work tHat way at the moment, doesn't mean that you HAVE to join up for the same self interested policy of only investigating those who oppose your views and beliefs. The law is there for all to obey and impartial policing based on the law would make this country a better place IMHO.

[mrtoad]

Ah this didnt take long..The DSI... bless em...

Maybe they should spend some time investigating dodgy rice deals...woospie forgot they are working for Poo

I thought this original story had shown to be bogus and he didnt say any of these things ?

Thwarting is like a dog on heat when he thinks he can score against anti government protestors. He's going to be hung out to dry once The DL has been defeated.

[oldsailor35]

Methinks Ceasar judging Ceasar comes to mind !

[SOTIRIOS]

.....I don't get it.....

....I read about 'a peoples' coup'......and......'getting permission from The King'........

.....meanwhile.....the 'red shirts' are promising.....'war'.....and..... 'separation'.......and 'trouble'.....and....violence......

....and we clearly see who is uttering these ....'threats'....and....'promises'.....

.....and nothing is done about it.......???