Slain Thai general's widow vows to continue fight for justice

[djjamie]

I wish her all the luck receiving justice. All he was doing was protecting the public. His only crimes was ensuring the public were safe from some very very naughty and violent people.

Here is her speech in May, 2013.

Dear Distinguished Participants of the Conference of the Community of Democracies in Mongolia,

As one of the families of the army officers who were killed in May 2010 incident, I don’t want to be included with those 91 deaths which the Thai Prime Minister claimed that they lost their lives in defending democracy. In fact, my husband did not fight for democracy, since it already existed at that time, but he tried to restore the rule of law.

According to the report of the Truth for Reconciliation Commission of Thailand (TRCT), the evidence was found that the men in black who engaged in violent attacks on the authorities using M79 grenades and rifles, caused my husband’s death, had received support from red-shirt security guards. The TRCT also concluded that the protest organiser was partly to blame for the violence.

Therefore, the people who remain in jail who are said to be political prisoners must be tried by the judiciary, not simply released as the Prime Minister insists.

Nicha Thuvatham
Wife of General Romklao Thuvatham

[fab4]

If you knew khun Nicha personally, I am convinced that the words that some of you are typing would not be tainted with so much hate and prejudice. But it is very easy to be depersonalized when hiding for too long behind the keyboard, even to the point of forgetting that we are human beings.

And so are these people

There's been more than enough hate and prejudice aimed at these people on this forum over the years and it's still happening - just read the posts above this.

One "side" pointing out that the making of political capital from the unfortunate death of an Army Officer is perhaps not appropriate on this "anniversary". the other, well sadly, par for the course:

"Truer words have never been spoken. The UDD are back in town".

"He was protecting Bangkok from brute barbarians and arsonists"

"Amsterdam & Peroff is working early in the morning".

"BS. They were protesting on behalf of Thaksin and his confiscated billions".

"the red shirts were just not protesting (peacefully) they were armed to the teeth, kids with them behind barriers of sharpened bamboo.........This was a mob that was prepared to fight anyone"

"are you human?"

"Please explain why the red shirts that killed 20+ officials (in 2010) haven't been caught? Please also explain why the guys that killed 20+ peaceful protestors (in 2014) haven't been caught. In fact, in both cases nobody has been caught till today".

"Why is Thaksin's government not interested in catching and bringing these brutal (child) killers to justice? They are obviously hiding something".

"So, when will the DSI finish with the 'easy' cases of the 2010 deaths and continue with the less easy cases including that of the colonel and staff who got grenades lobbed on them by friendly opponents who even caused the military to have to withdraw in near panic while exchanging gunfire with the peaceful protesters?"

Yes there has been more than enough hate propagated by both sides over the years and all you are doing is the same.

The army officer's wife has a damn site more entitlement than you to express her feelings as she lost a loved one. Mentioning 'political capital' is hypocritical when you are doing the same by posting a political photo.

I'm not going to bore other forum users with a stupid one-sided list of the PTP/red shirt supporters hate-fueled quotes. It would be far too long.

A political photo, showing the relatives of UDD members killed, holding a vigil in memory of their loved ones? - oh well, pointless trying to debate anything with you then.

[GuestHouse]

A serving soldier refuses to follow orders to return to the ranks and he is shot dead.

I think he already had justice.

[rubl]

The army had been and was still in gunfights with those unarmed protesters. That's when you get these very unfortunate incidents.

Only the thai army could get into gunfights with unarmed protesters. You're not saying the that the civilians killed at the temple were involved in a gunfight with the army are you? Good grief, your blind acceptance of anything the army does as beyond criticism is frightening.

Correct, I'm not saying that. Only, and not for the first time and not even for the first time this year to you, only that with the army involved in gunfights you are bound to get unfortunate incidents.

Now if I remember correctly you had no problem with the mother of the slain nurse to seek justice. May I assume you have no problem with the wife of the slain colonel to seek justice too?

[rubl]

If you knew khun Nicha personally, I am convinced that the words that some of you are typing would not be tainted with so much hate and prejudice. But it is very easy to be depersonalized when hiding for too long behind the keyboard, even to the point of forgetting that we are human beings.

And so are these people

There's been more than enough hate and prejudice aimed at these people on this forum over the years and it's still happening - just read the posts above this.

One "side" pointing out that the making of political capital from the unfortunate death of an Army Officer is perhaps not appropriate on this "anniversary". the other, well sadly, par for the course:

"Truer words have never been spoken. The UDD are back in town".

"He was protecting Bangkok from brute barbarians and arsonists"

"Amsterdam & Peroff is working early in the morning".

"BS. They were protesting on behalf of Thaksin and his confiscated billions".

"the red shirts were just not protesting (peacefully) they were armed to the teeth, kids with them behind barriers of sharpened bamboo.........This was a mob that was prepared to fight anyone"

"are you human?"

"Please explain why the red shirts that killed 20+ officials (in 2010) haven't been caught? Please also explain why the guys that killed 20+ peaceful protestors (in 2014) haven't been caught. In fact, in both cases nobody has been caught till today".

"Why is Thaksin's government not interested in catching and bringing these brutal (child) killers to justice? They are obviously hiding something".

"So, when will the DSI finish with the 'easy' cases of the 2010 deaths and continue with the less easy cases including that of the colonel and staff who got grenades lobbed on them by friendly opponents who even caused the military to have to withdraw in near panic while exchanging gunfire with the peaceful protesters?"

Ah, but even our dear publicus condemned the widow with

"She deserves the sympathy she gets (and then some) but not the free publicity to promote absolutist political views."

while she just said

"The people between the two sides [of the political conflict] should focus on justice, rather than just being neutral."

BTW reading problems still? I wrote "less easy cases including that"

"The day that PM Yingluck [shinawatra] said she wasn't being treated fairly by the National Anti-Corruption Commission with regards to the rice-pledging scheme, I chuckled inside because when other people called on her for justice, she did not care."

"I used to call on Thai society to learn from losses, but when I met bad people in power, who are ready to do anything for the sake of power, I realised that my efforts were a waste."

"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014. Although we can't find them and bring them to justice, we all know who is behind all the violence. They are cruel," she pointed out."

Perhaps you missed those pearls of wisdom, rubl?

I would call that democratic capital. It needs to be said again and again, that those behind violence need to have their day in court to justify themselves for the law.

The political capital seems to come from those who condemn the widow for seeking justice. Maybe the non-political UDD and this widow should get together to commemorate their 2010 deaths and once more ask for justice?

[rubl]

What was her husband doing in the conflict zone? Protecting the protesters (like the popcorn man); or for firing at the? Maybe France24 have the clip with answers.

He was having a meeting with other senior officers just behind the army line at Kok Wia and they were hit with an explosive device. Gen Walit, now in charge of troops in the South was badly injured by the same blast. The hit was attributed to Seh Daeng which may explain why he is no longer around.

difficult to find all those articles from those days, but upon being asked about April 10th the late renegade general Seh Daeng is supposed to have said something like "no one saw me".

[GuestHouse]

All this because Thaksin does not accept that he should be subject to the law of the land.

Nothing can be done for the dead, but people held in prison on both sides remain in prison despite wide support for an amnesty for those who have served time in prison.

The PTP are not accepting this - they will not accept an amnesty that excludes their paymaster Thaksin.

So people rot in prison because Thaksin refuses to bow to the law.

[fab4]

The army had been and was still in gunfights with those unarmed protesters. That's when you get these very unfortunate incidents.

Only the thai army could get into gunfights with unarmed protesters. You're not saying the that the civilians killed at the temple were involved in a gunfight with the army are you? Good grief, your blind acceptance of anything the army does as beyond criticism is frightening.

Correct, I'm not saying that. Only, and not for the first time and not even for the first time this year to you, only that with the army involved in gunfights you are bound to get unfortunate incidents.

Now if I remember correctly you had no problem with the mother of the slain nurse to seek justice. May I assume you have no problem with the wife of the slain colonel to seek justice too?

Why would the the thai army need to use guns i.e in gunfights with unarmed people? The logic doesn't work - as a defence it'e even more pathetic as the court showed in the inquest of the deaths of the unarmed civilians in the temple, when they ruled the armys defence that they were in a gunfight with people in the temple was a lie.

The wife of the dead colonel can seek justice of course. It would just help if she didn't make political statements accusing the UDD of being responsible - there has been no definitive proof or court ruling which states who is responsible - unlike the RTA being responsible for the deaths of 6 civilians in the wat, including the nurse. That is the difference.

[rubl]

The army had been and was still in gunfights with those unarmed protesters. That's when you get these very unfortunate incidents.

Only the thai army could get into gunfights with unarmed protesters. You're not saying the that the civilians killed at the temple were involved in a gunfight with the army are you? Good grief, your blind acceptance of anything the army does as beyond criticism is frightening.

Correct, I'm not saying that. Only, and not for the first time and not even for the first time this year to you, only that with the army involved in gunfights you are bound to get unfortunate incidents.

Now if I remember correctly you had no problem with the mother of the slain nurse to seek justice. May I assume you have no problem with the wife of the slain colonel to seek justice too?

Why would the the thai army need to use guns i.e in gunfights with unarmed people? The logic doesn't work - as a defence it'e even more pathetic as the court showed in the inquest of the deaths of the unarmed civilians in the temple, when they ruled the armys defence that they were in a gunfight with people in the temple was a lie.

The wife of the dead colonel can seek justice of course. It would just help if she didn't make political statements accusing the UDD of being responsible - there has been no definitive proof or court ruling which states who is responsible - unlike the RTA being responsible for the deaths of 6 civilians in the wat, including the nurse. That is the difference.

Sarcasm isn't your forte either?

The topic is on the wife of a colonel slain by grenades on the 10th of April 2010. After that incident the army withdrew in near panic while still in a gunfight with heavily armed elements who mingled with the supposedly peaceful, unarmed protesters.

On the 19th of May, the army was a bit better prepared even though they still had grenades dropped on them and even though they were still in gunfights with 'protesters' who seemed somewhat less friendly and somewhat intend on killing. There are reports that armed militants may have walked around the temple safe place and actually thereby provoked the army in shooting.

When you have armed thugs walking / mingling with "peaceful protesters, not terrorists" who see and hear and know nothing you may expect incidents.

PS is this the second or the third time I have to remind you, this year that is?

[rubl]

The army had been and was still in gunfights with those unarmed protesters. That's when you get these very unfortunate incidents.

Only the thai army could get into gunfights with unarmed protesters. You're not saying the that the civilians killed at the temple were involved in a gunfight with the army are you? Good grief, your blind acceptance of anything the army does as beyond criticism is frightening.

Correct, I'm not saying that. Only, and not for the first time and not even for the first time this year to you, only that with the army involved in gunfights you are bound to get unfortunate incidents.

Now if I remember correctly you had no problem with the mother of the slain nurse to seek justice. May I assume you have no problem with the wife of the slain colonel to seek justice too?

Why would the the thai army need to use guns i.e in gunfights with unarmed people? The logic doesn't work - as a defence it'e even more pathetic as the court showed in the inquest of the deaths of the unarmed civilians in the temple, when they ruled the armys defence that they were in a gunfight with people in the temple was a lie.

The wife of the dead colonel can seek justice of course. It would just help if she didn't make political statements accusing the UDD of being responsible - there has been no definitive proof or court ruling which states who is responsible - unlike the RTA being responsible for the deaths of 6 civilians in the wat, including the nurse. That is the difference.

So, you'll stop accusing Abhisit/Suthep of being personally responsible as there has been no definitive proof or a court ruling which states who is responsible?

[smedly]

Nicha Hiranburana Thuvatham is a brave woman for speaking out, she is 100% correct in everything she says, it's pretty obvious to see that every case brought against anti government people and Dems are investigated and brought to the courts by the biased police or the DSI, charges brought against the pro government or indeed the government have to be applied by none conventional means because the official bodies/agencies responsible for investigating and progressing cases only do so on behalf of Thaksin - which is in fact a major part of the current problems in this country along with the huge theft of the peoples money

[khunken]

If you knew khun Nicha personally, I am convinced that the words that some of you are typing would not be tainted with so much hate and prejudice. But it is very easy to be depersonalized when hiding for too long behind the keyboard, even to the point of forgetting that we are human beings.

And so are these people

There's been more than enough hate and prejudice aimed at these people on this forum over the years and it's still happening - just read the posts above this.

One "side" pointing out that the making of political capital from the unfortunate death of an Army Officer is perhaps not appropriate on this "anniversary". the other, well sadly, par for the course:

"Truer words have never been spoken. The UDD are back in town".

"He was protecting Bangkok from brute barbarians and arsonists"

"Amsterdam & Peroff is working early in the morning".

"BS. They were protesting on behalf of Thaksin and his confiscated billions".

"the red shirts were just not protesting (peacefully) they were armed to the teeth, kids with them behind barriers of sharpened bamboo.........This was a mob that was prepared to fight anyone"

"are you human?"

"Please explain why the red shirts that killed 20+ officials (in 2010) haven't been caught? Please also explain why the guys that killed 20+ peaceful protestors (in 2014) haven't been caught. In fact, in both cases nobody has been caught till today".

"Why is Thaksin's government not interested in catching and bringing these brutal (child) killers to justice? They are obviously hiding something".

"So, when will the DSI finish with the 'easy' cases of the 2010 deaths and continue with the less easy cases including that of the colonel and staff who got grenades lobbed on them by friendly opponents who even caused the military to have to withdraw in near panic while exchanging gunfire with the peaceful protesters?"

Yes there has been more than enough hate propagated by both sides over the years and all you are doing is the same.

The army officer's wife has a damn site more entitlement than you to express her feelings as she lost a loved one. Mentioning 'political capital' is hypocritical when you are doing the same by posting a political photo.

I'm not going to bore other forum users with a stupid one-sided list of the PTP/red shirt supporters hate-fueled quotes. It would be far too long.

A political photo, showing the relatives of UDD members killed, holding a vigil in memory of their loved ones? - oh well, pointless trying to debate anything with you then.

Probably pointless because you very likely won't win. You accused 'one side making political capital out of the unfortunate (sic) death of the officer and you go and try and make political capital out of red shirt mourners. Pure hypocrisy - as I said.

Of course there was no 'political capital' in posting an idiotic list of selective quotes from your opponents.

[ianf]

Most of the corrupt people in power wear a uniform like this woman's husband. When these men decide to stop making Thailand the world coup hub, get out of their assorted criminal rackets, and go back to the job of attending to the national defense (I know, it's more difficult than killing unarmed student demonstrators but someone has to do it) then Thailand will make some progress.

This is a truly disgusting post. The red mobs (ie the black shirt element) were instructed to target the Queen's Guard and I believe this soldier was part of the Queen's Guard. When the police refuse to restore order, then a nation has no option but to use the military. The military did not attack the people, they were themselves attacked by the red forces and they had weapons stolen from them by Thaksin's terrorists. This woman has had a sad loss - and she is asking for justice - but justice never came knocking at her door. How do you know this man was corrupt? Should he be murdered because he's corrupt? We could do without the cynical asides made by the poster quoted above, Truly disgusting. And for your information, the coup was necessary but was not a coup of dictatorship, such as Thaksin's mate Hun Sen engineered in Cambodia many years ago. He still holds power and the people suffer. There is no comparison. Educate your self please!

Edited April 11, 2014 by ianf

[Publicus]

....I begin to question the integrity of so-called posters of late.......

The past six months I've noticed a large number of posters are to the right of Attila the Hun while still others would make Mussolini proud to see his legacy incarnate here.

[geriatrickid]

What was her husband doing in the conflict zone? Protecting the protesters (like the popcorn man); or for firing at the? Maybe France24 have the clip with answers.

He was protecting Bangkok from brute barbarians and arsonists.

oh. are you saying the military killed him?

[djjamie]

What was her husband doing in the conflict zone? Protecting the protesters (like the popcorn man); or for firing at the? Maybe France24 have the clip with answers.

He was protecting Bangkok from brute barbarians and arsonists.

oh. are you saying the military killed him?

Thanks to Arkady we do know what he was doing. See link below.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/718077-slain-thai-generals-widow-vows-to-continue-fight-for-justice/?p=7679052

Edited April 11, 2014 by djjamie

[whybother]

Something wrong with grieving the loss of a family member to disseminate political inaccuracies.

>>>"Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"

The Red Shirts at the time were not protesting "against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"...They were protesting a coup which had stolen their electoral choice and the imposition of a coup-rooted Govt....It was all about Electoral Democracy....Not about the Govt. in place at the time...Same as today.

>>>"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014"

No they are not.

Trying to link the Lumpini coup-advocacy crowd with anti-coup protesters of 2010, is again an example of PAD-Dem's trying to contextualize historical events according to their spin. Everyone has their own take on who is the source of violence this time.

Articles of this nature ought to express concerns about all grieving relatives of those killed in 2010, not just one. What about the widow of Seh Daeng? What about the widows and parents of over 90 Red Shirts who were mowed down by the Coup-maker incited military...........Plus, it should not try to weave political innuendo into it. All those other's have political opinions as well, and perhaps more valid than this lady.

Let's separate Politics from grieving relatives, so one can sympathize with them, instead of being affronted by narrow political interests.

Why did it take them 4 years and election to protest the coup?

[Publicus]

What was her husband doing in the conflict zone? Protecting the protesters (like the popcorn man); or for firing at the? Maybe France24 have the clip with answers.

He was having a meeting with other senior officers just behind the army line at Kok Wia and they were hit with an explosive device. Gen Walit, now in charge of troops in the South was badly injured by the same blast. The hit was attributed to Seh Daeng which may explain why he is no longer around.

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Suicide is not harmless, by which I mean the Thai army is incompetent. It is first and foremost its own worst enemy

At Kok Wia, an urban intersection live fire action zone, the general in command called a huddle of his senior operational commanders. Let's all group up guys, immediately behind the line and out in the open. Not a good idea, as an explosive device landed among the tightly gathered group and blew them away. The real disaster however was the mission, which is always the first priority because the line commanders and soldiers broke and scattered in all directions.

Seh Daeng, the Thai equivalent of a 2-star general, knew how to confuse his fellow Thai generals, knew how they would react and how to exploit all of it. He knew how to dissolve the army's advancing units and he did, completely. Clever guy. Except he absolutely failed to realize that after that he'd never be allowed to walk out of the red camp. Either that or, despite army snipers in any force being a dime a dozen, he considered that he wouldn't ever get popped.

This is a place where people can't find their ass while blindfolded.

[pmugghc]

What was her husband doing in the conflict zone? Protecting the protesters (like the popcorn man); or for firing at the? Maybe France24 have the clip with answers.

He was protecting Bangkok from brute barbarians and arsonists.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/06/six-killed-thai-soldiers-crackdown-protesters

hiding in a temple and slaughtered by the army no doubt under the Generals control. They had no weapons.

BS! Col Romklao was killed before that, on 10 April. The temple killings were on 19 May. Learn the history so you don't post garbage.

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Edited April 11, 2014 by pmugghc

[fab4]

nts.

Only the thai army could get into gunfights with unarmed protesters. You're not saying the that the civilians killed at the temple were involved in a gunfight with the army are you? Good grief, your blind acceptance of anything the army does as beyond criticism is frightening.

Correct, I'm not saying that. Only, and not for the first time and not even for the first time this year to you, only that with the army involved in gunfights you are bound to get unfortunate incidents.

Now if I remember correctly you had no problem with the mother of the slain nurse to seek justice. May I assume you have no problem with the wife of the slain colonel to seek justice too?

Why would the the thai army need to use guns i.e in gunfights with unarmed people? The logic doesn't work - as a defence it'e even more pathetic as the court showed in the inquest of the deaths of the unarmed civilians in the temple, when they ruled the armys defence that they were in a gunfight with people in the temple was a lie.

The wife of the dead colonel can seek justice of course. It would just help if she didn't make political statements accusing the UDD of being responsible - there has been no definitive proof or court ruling which states who is responsible - unlike the RTA being responsible for the deaths of 6 civilians in the wat, including the nurse. That is the difference.

So, you'll stop accusing Abhisit/Suthep of being personally responsible as there has been no definitive proof or a court ruling which states who is responsible?

If they were not accused they wouldn't be going to court, so No, I will not stop accusing them of being personally responsible for signing orders for the use of live ammunition and the use of snipers which was a disproportionate response to the threat faced.

There have been no summonses to any members of the UDD as being responsible for the death of Romklao.

Now do you understand the difference?

[chotthee]

<snip>

Only the thai army could get into gunfights with unarmed protesters. You're not saying the that the civilians killed at the temple were involved in a gunfight with the army are you? Good grief, your blind acceptance of anything the army does as beyond criticism is frightening.

Correct, I'm not saying that. Only, and not for the first time and not even for the first time this year to you, only that with the army involved in gunfights you are bound to get unfortunate incidents.

Now if I remember correctly you had no problem with the mother of the slain nurse to seek justice. May I assume you have no problem with the wife of the slain colonel to seek justice too?

Why would the the thai army need to use guns i.e in gunfights with unarmed people? The logic doesn't work - as a defence it'e even more pathetic as the court showed in the inquest of the deaths of the unarmed civilians in the temple, when they ruled the armys defence that they were in a gunfight with people in the temple was a lie.

The wife of the dead colonel can seek justice of course. It would just help if she didn't make political statements accusing the UDD of being responsible - there has been no definitive proof or court ruling which states who is responsible - unlike the RTA being responsible for the deaths of 6 civilians in the wat, including the nurse. That is the difference.

So, you'll stop accusing Abhisit/Suthep of being personally responsible as there has been no definitive proof or a court ruling which states who is responsible?

Stop accusing the great lead Suthep. He never goes to court.

Mark is different. he has top go to court to face charges.

Edited April 12, 2014 by chotthee

[fab4]

Yes there has been more than enough hate propagated by both sides over the years and all you are doing is the same.

The army officer's wife has a damn site more entitlement than you to express her feelings as she lost a loved one. Mentioning 'political capital' is hypocritical when you are doing the same by posting a political photo.

I'm not going to bore other forum users with a stupid one-sided list of the PTP/red shirt supporters hate-fueled quotes. It would be far too long.

A political photo, showing the relatives of UDD members killed, holding a vigil in memory of their loved ones? - oh well, pointless trying to debate anything with you then.

Probably pointless because you very likely won't win. You accused 'one side making political capital out of the unfortunate (sic) death of the officer and you go and try and make political capital out of red shirt mourners. Pure hypocrisy - as I said.

Of course there was no 'political capital' in posting an idiotic list of selective quotes from your opponents.

You're very sure of yourself, aren't you, to the point of arrogance.

I posted the photograph in response to claims that apparently only the army colonel is human. It pointed out that the relatives and their slain relatives were human too despite claims to the contrary and had been demonised almost daily on this forum. I then posted a selection of comments that illustrated that fact.

and this is your response

"an idiotic list of selective quotes from your opponents."

Opponents? I am discussing this event on an internet forum - what political capital can I make?

[Nickymaster]

A serving soldier refuses to follow orders to return to the ranks and he is shot dead.

I think he already had justice.

Stupid post.

[Nickymaster]

nts.

Only the thai army could get into gunfights with unarmed protesters. You're not saying the that the civilians killed at the temple were involved in a gunfight with the army are you? Good grief, your blind acceptance of anything the army does as beyond criticism is frightening.

Correct, I'm not saying that. Only, and not for the first time and not even for the first time this year to you, only that with the army involved in gunfights you are bound to get unfortunate incidents.

Now if I remember correctly you had no problem with the mother of the slain nurse to seek justice. May I assume you have no problem with the wife of the slain colonel to seek justice too?

Why would the the thai army need to use guns i.e in gunfights with unarmed people? The logic doesn't work - as a defence it'e even more pathetic as the court showed in the inquest of the deaths of the unarmed civilians in the temple, when they ruled the armys defence that they were in a gunfight with people in the temple was a lie.

The wife of the dead colonel can seek justice of course. It would just help if she didn't make political statements accusing the UDD of being responsible - there has been no definitive proof or court ruling which states who is responsible - unlike the RTA being responsible for the deaths of 6 civilians in the wat, including the nurse. That is the difference.

So, you'll stop accusing Abhisit/Suthep of being personally responsible as there has been no definitive proof or a court ruling which states who is responsible?

If they were not accused they wouldn't be going to court, so No, I will not stop accusing them of being personally responsible for signing orders for the use of live ammunition and the use of snipers which was a disproportionate response to the threat faced.

There have been no summonses to any members of the UDD as being responsible for the death of Romklao.

Now do you understand the difference?

Love it how you selectively support the court.

[khunken]

Yes there has been more than enough hate propagated by both sides over the years and all you are doing is the same.

The army officer's wife has a damn site more entitlement than you to express her feelings as she lost a loved one. Mentioning 'political capital' is hypocritical when you are doing the same by posting a political photo.

I'm not going to bore other forum users with a stupid one-sided list of the PTP/red shirt supporters hate-fueled quotes. It would be far too long.

A political photo, showing the relatives of UDD members killed, holding a vigil in memory of their loved ones? - oh well, pointless trying to debate anything with you then.

Probably pointless because you very likely won't win. You accused 'one side making political capital out of the unfortunate (sic) death of the officer and you go and try and make political capital out of red shirt mourners. Pure hypocrisy - as I said.

Of course there was no 'political capital' in posting an idiotic list of selective quotes from your opponents.

You're very sure of yourself, aren't you, to the point of arrogance.

I posted the photograph in response to claims that apparently only the army colonel is human. It pointed out that the relatives and their slain relatives were human too despite claims to the contrary and had been demonised almost daily on this forum. I then posted a selection of comments that illustrated that fact.

and this is your response

"an idiotic list of selective quotes from your opponents."

Opponents? I am discussing this event on an internet forum - what political capital can I make?

No not arrogant just confident that my arguments are better than yours, which wouldn't be hard.

You posted the photo with a one-sided rant about how your 'side' is holy of holies and the other is making political capital, quote: One "side" pointing out that the making of political capital from the unfortunate death of an Army Officer is perhaps not appropriate on this "anniversary". the other, well sadly, par for the course:

Your pretence of not making political capital (which is precisely what it was) is just dishonest to add to the hypocrisy.

You can make the same 'political capital' as those you accuse of doing the same or are you a self-appointed oracle?

[marcusd]

Yes she is right.

Same thing happened 4 years is happening again now and the crims still haven't faced court.

This is what happens when you deny people the right to vote and chose to turn your back on democracy .

How do you think people are going to react when a looney in a park declares himself the peoples medium and wants to set up a sovereign state and everyone must answer to them.

The sooner an election the better otherwise the same mistakes of four years ago will be repeated by both sides

Aha. Same garbage from same ignorant people.

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[fab4]

nts.

Only the thai army could get into gunfights with unarmed protesters. You're not saying the that the civilians killed at the temple were involved in a gunfight with the army are you? Good grief, your blind acceptance of anything the army does as beyond criticism is frightening.

Correct, I'm not saying that. Only, and not for the first time and not even for the first time this year to you, only that with the army involved in gunfights you are bound to get unfortunate incidents.

Now if I remember correctly you had no problem with the mother of the slain nurse to seek justice. May I assume you have no problem with the wife of the slain colonel to seek justice too?

Why would the the thai army need to use guns i.e in gunfights with unarmed people? The logic doesn't work - as a defence it'e even more pathetic as the court showed in the inquest of the deaths of the unarmed civilians in the temple, when they ruled the armys defence that they were in a gunfight with people in the temple was a lie.

The wife of the dead colonel can seek justice of course. It would just help if she didn't make political statements accusing the UDD of being responsible - there has been no definitive proof or court ruling which states who is responsible - unlike the RTA being responsible for the deaths of 6 civilians in the wat, including the nurse. That is the difference.

So, you'll stop accusing Abhisit/Suthep of being personally responsible as there has been no definitive proof or a court ruling which states who is responsible?

If they were not accused they wouldn't be going to court, so No, I will not stop accusing them of being personally responsible for signing orders for the use of live ammunition and the use of snipers which was a disproportionate response to the threat faced.

There have been no summonses to any members of the UDD as being responsible for the death of Romklao.

Now do you understand the difference?

Love it how you selectively support the court.

Love how you completely miss the point to suit your agenda.

In one case the court has ruled who was responsible for deaths.

In the second case those responsible have not been found or proved in court - it is the opinion of a person whose husband was killed.

[fab4]

You're very sure of yourself, aren't you, to the point of arrogance.

I posted the photograph in response to claims that apparently only the army colonel is human. It pointed out that the relatives and their slain relatives were human too despite claims to the contrary and had been demonised almost daily on this forum. I then posted a selection of comments that illustrated that fact.

and this is your response

"an idiotic list of selective quotes from your opponents."

Opponents? I am discussing this event on an internet forum - what political capital can I make?

No not arrogant just confident that my arguments are better than yours, which wouldn't be hard.

You posted the photo with a one-sided rant about how your 'side' is holy of holies and the other is making political capital, quote: One "side" pointing out that the making of political capital from the unfortunate death of an Army Officer is perhaps not appropriate on this "anniversary". the other, well sadly, par for the course:

Your pretence of not making political capital (which is precisely what it was) is just dishonest to add to the hypocrisy.

You can make the same 'political capital' as those you accuse of doing the same or are you a self-appointed oracle?

You're talking out of your oracle as far as I'm concerned.

One person is making political capital out of her husbands death by making unsubstantiated allegations about who was responsible for that death, to any media outlet that will listen to her.

I am partaking in a debate on an internet forum. You appear to have a misguided opinion of how important this forum is in Thai politics.

[Morch]

You're very sure of yourself, aren't you, to the point of arrogance.

I posted the photograph in response to claims that apparently only the army colonel is human. It pointed out that the relatives and their slain relatives were human too despite claims to the contrary and had been demonised almost daily on this forum. I then posted a selection of comments that illustrated that fact.

and this is your response

"an idiotic list of selective quotes from your opponents."

Opponents? I am discussing this event on an internet forum - what political capital can I make?

No not arrogant just confident that my arguments are better than yours, which wouldn't be hard.

You posted the photo with a one-sided rant about how your 'side' is holy of holies and the other is making political capital, quote: One "side" pointing out that the making of political capital from the unfortunate death of an Army Officer is perhaps not appropriate on this "anniversary". the other, well sadly, par for the course:

Your pretence of not making political capital (which is precisely what it was) is just dishonest to add to the hypocrisy.

You can make the same 'political capital' as those you accuse of doing the same or are you a self-appointed oracle?

You're talking out of your oracle as far as I'm concerned.

One person is making political capital out of her husbands death by making unsubstantiated allegations about who was responsible for that death, to any media outlet that will listen to her.

I am partaking in a debate on an internet forum. You appear to have a misguided opinion of how important this forum is in Thai politics.

Unless she's a candidate or political activist - what political capital is she making?

I think most of her issues are with the non-investigation and politicians making political gains by using her husband's death.

[Publicus]

You're very sure of yourself, aren't you, to the point of arrogance.

I posted the photograph in response to claims that apparently only the army colonel is human. It pointed out that the relatives and their slain relatives were human too despite claims to the contrary and had been demonised almost daily on this forum. I then posted a selection of comments that illustrated that fact.

and this is your response

"an idiotic list of selective quotes from your opponents."

Opponents? I am discussing this event on an internet forum - what political capital can I make?

No not arrogant just confident that my arguments are better than yours, which wouldn't be hard.

You posted the photo with a one-sided rant about how your 'side' is holy of holies and the other is making political capital, quote: One "side" pointing out that the making of political capital from the unfortunate death of an Army Officer is perhaps not appropriate on this "anniversary". the other, well sadly, par for the course:

Your pretence of not making political capital (which is precisely what it was) is just dishonest to add to the hypocrisy.

You can make the same 'political capital' as those you accuse of doing the same or are you a self-appointed oracle?

You're talking out of your oracle as far as I'm concerned.

One person is making political capital out of her husbands death by making unsubstantiated allegations about who was responsible for that death, to any media outlet that will listen to her.

I am partaking in a debate on an internet forum. You appear to have a misguided opinion of how important this forum is in Thai politics.

Unless she's a candidate or political activist - what political capital is she making?

I think most of her issues are with the non-investigation and politicians making political gains by using her husband's death.

Recalling my post, I'd said she's a cultural absolutist, political extremist, a true believer, so she's making capital on a number of fronts that are central to her moral paradigm. Add to that her husband was killed in a conflict that occurred during a period of civil disorder which was political to the core of it and which was directly connected to the 2006 martial law military mutiny coup d'etat. Around here that's as political as it gets.