Thai Police 'must be more proactive'

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Does he mean they must work for their pay........?............WOW................

[Arkady]

The police in Thailand have a shocking record, to replace the existing force you would need to employ the military , you would need to bring in specialists from other countries and at the end of the day after a decade it would be the same as it is now , you can only make change in Thailand at all levels of the community , by better education and higher achievement levels, otherwise your are flogging a dead horse.

This idea was tried successfully by King Chulalongkorn who admired the law enforcement structures he saw working in British colonies. British experts were hired to set up a modern police force along with Indian other ranks. It seems that things have moved backwards since then.

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The police in Thailand have a shocking record, to replace the existing force you would need to employ the military , you would need to bring in specialists from other countries and at the end of the day after a decade it would be the same as it is now , you can only make change in Thailand at all levels of the community , by better education and higher achievement levels, otherwise your are flogging a dead horse.

This idea was tried successfully by King Chulalongkorn who admired the law enforcement structures he saw working in British colonies. British experts were hired to set up a modern police force along with Indian other ranks. It seems that things have moved backwards since then.

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Weell. you can do only so much for folk, after that I think they seem to revert back to THEIR stuff............Sadly......

[ggt]

I love the idea...the rhetoric...the direction the police leaders are trying to lead the police force...now let's see the tea-money shakedowns disappear...

[SeaVisionBurma]

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[yooper2001]

Police and proactive? This is a oxymoron. Too think of police doing their job is laughable. hahahahahahahahahahhahahaahahahahahahahhahah. stop my side aches

[tingtongdingdong]

If the police were to be more proactiveproactive lol .......

[bangon04]

The police in Thailand have a shocking record, to replace the existing force you would need to employ the military , you would need to bring in specialists from other countries and at the end of the day after a decade it would be the same as it is now , you can only make change in Thailand at all levels of the community , by better education and higher achievement levels, otherwise your are flogging a dead horse.

This idea was tried successfully by King Chulalongkorn who admired the law enforcement structures he saw working in British colonies. British experts were hired to set up a modern police force along with Indian other ranks. It seems that things have moved backwards since then.

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There is a working model that can be copied. Hong Kong police was reformed in the 1970s and 1980s, and is still resisting the worst influences of Chinese corruption even now after so many years. Charles Sutcliffe......

[marko kok prong]

I think joining the Police here is seen as 'well i won't get much salary,but i can make money from fines', would a decent salary change this,i don't know i think it would be looked at as now i can make a decent salary and get money from fines', i have to say though i have never had a problem with them and so far never been asked for tea money.

[Old Man River]

RTP are a joke they need to be rebuilt from the bottom up...Human rights dont make me laugh 99% of Thais have NO rights...not to mention forigners rights in this idiotic Country

If they were rebuilt, Adul would move up. He is one of the good guys.

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[Arkady]

The police in Thailand have a shocking record, to replace the existing force you would need to employ the military , you would need to bring in specialists from other countries and at the end of the day after a decade it would be the same as it is now , you can only make change in Thailand at all levels of the community , by better education and higher achievement levels, otherwise your are flogging a dead horse.

This idea was tried successfully by King Chulalongkorn who admired the law enforcement structures he saw working in British colonies. British experts were hired to set up a modern police force along with Indian other ranks. It seems that things have moved backwards since then.

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There is a working model that can be copied. Hong Kong police was reformed in the 1970s and 1980s, and is still resisting the worst influences of Chinese corruption even now after so many years. Charles Sutcliffe......

That's correct but even in HK it was a struggle. The Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) was set up in the early 70s staffed with police from the UK who were vetted to ensure they had no contacts whatsoever in HK. But British officers of the HK Police mutinied and ransacked the ICAC offices, destroying all their files. Rather than fire the police involved and risk demoralising the force the governor weakened and proclaimed an amnesty for all past crimes of corruption committed by police prior to that date. The ICAC was only able to investigate new crimes and was eventually rather successful after an extremely troubled start. Previously even the British officers of the fire service were corrupt and Watsons was famously asked to pay them to extinguish a fire in their warehouse. Obviously the corruption went all the way down to the Chinese bobbies on the beat and was all through the HK Civil Service too.

Singapore in the early 60s might be a better model. Police salaries were raised across the board and dead wood was weeded out and encouraged to take early retirement on beneficial terms. The police were told in no uncertain terms that from now on police corruption would not be tolerated and offenders would feel the full force of the law and for those who didn't agree it would be better to resign and find another career. I had a Singaporean friend who had just joined the police as a young man at that time and one of his first duties was to go on night patrol collecting bribes from the mahjong dens and busting the ones who refused to pay. Some of the sergeants and NCOs ignored the warning and got stiff prison sentences for carrying on in the old way.

For Thailand I don't know what the solution is. King Chulalongkorn managed to wipe out a lot of corruption amongst the nobles who ran the ministries and upcountry administration, including his close relatives and, in addition, to setting up the police force set up the equivalent of today's auditor-general's office, headed by retired British colonial officials from India. This made him extremely unpopular with the nobles but his power base was well enough established by then to cope with them. Obviously the HK model is out of the question and it is hard to see anyone being powerful enough to try the Singapore or Chulalongkorn models. Sarayudh made some great sounding statements about reforming the police when he was PM but as soon as the police closed ranks and said "no way" he backed down and gave up, realising that his power base was far too weak to take them on.

[bangon04]

The police in Thailand have a shocking record, to replace the existing force you would need to employ the military , you would need to bring in specialists from other countries and at the end of the day after a decade it would be the same as it is now , you can only make change in Thailand at all levels of the community , by better education and higher achievement levels, otherwise your are flogging a dead horse.

This idea was tried successfully by King Chulalongkorn who admired the law enforcement structures he saw working in British colonies. British experts were hired to set up a modern police force along with Indian other ranks. It seems that things have moved backwards since then.

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There is a working model that can be copied. Hong Kong police was reformed in the 1970s and 1980s, and is still resisting the worst influences of Chinese corruption even now after so many years. Charles Sutcliffe......

That's correct but even in HK it was a struggle. The Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) was set up in the early 70s staffed with police from the UK who were vetted to ensure they had no contacts whatsoever in HK. But British officers of the HK Police mutinied and ransacked the ICAC offices, destroying all their files. Rather than fire the police involved and risk demoralising the force the governor weakened and proclaimed an amnesty for all past crimes of corruption committed by police prior to that date. The ICAC was only able to investigate new crimes and was eventually rather successful after an extremely troubled start. Previously even the British officers of the fire service were corrupt and Watsons was famously asked to pay them to extinguish a fire in their warehouse. Obviously the corruption went all the way down to the Chinese bobbies on the beat and was all through the HK Civil Service too.

Singapore in the early 60s might be a better model. Police salaries were raised across the board and dead wood was weeded out and encouraged to take early retirement on beneficial terms. The police were told in no uncertain terms that from now on police corruption would not be tolerated and offenders would feel the full force of the law and for those who didn't agree it would be better to resign and find another career. I had a Singaporean friend who had just joined the police as a young man at that time and one of his first duties was to go on night patrol collecting bribes from the mahjong dens and busting the ones who refused to pay. Some of the sergeants and NCOs ignored the warning and got stiff prison sentences for carrying on in the old way.

For Thailand I don't know what the solution is. King Chulalongkorn managed to wipe out a lot of corruption amongst the nobles who ran the ministries and upcountry administration, including his close relatives and, in addition, to setting up the police force set up the equivalent of today's auditor-general's office, headed by retired British colonial officials from India. This made him extremely unpopular with the nobles but his power base was well enough established by then to cope with them. Obviously the HK model is out of the question and it is hard to see anyone being powerful enough to try the Singapore or Chulalongkorn models. Sarayudh made some great sounding statements about reforming the police when he was PM but as soon as the police closed ranks and said "no way" he backed down and gave up, realising that his power base was far too weak to take them on.

The "Amnesty" model might mean enough face-saving. Maybe they could transfer all the best police to one province and trial it in one province with real salaries and good status and zero tolerance. Then they could build on this?