Poet's killing makes red-shirt leaders insecure

[than]

The killing of people are not acceptable in all Society.

But when a group of people killing children and protester with the goodwill of the police and authorities, this group should expect retaliation !

[thesetat2013]

with the lunatic Suthep and the Mad Doctor running around I would be scared also, as Suthep says you are either with us or against us no in between. Can't oust the government so start popping off the opposition in the final push.

You are really jumping to conclusions with this one. Your red is showing a lot here. Nobody has even accused Suthep for killing that poet.

If anything an outlandish accusation saying the Army did it would be more approptiate but it would still be jibberish. That poets killer could be anyone who was offended at him speaking badly about the king. Why do you think the Red leaders all are scared it could happen to them? They all have preached against the king and spoken out about secession. Im sure even PDRC haters who love and respect the king would want to do bad to those who speak against the king.

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[khunken]

Anyone who has read my posts knows that I am not red-shirt friendly. My profound dislike is for the mercenary leaders and violent agitators including those who cheer the killing of innocent children.

But I disagree strongly that the poet somehow deserved to be executed because of his politics - assuming that was the reason. As for blaming Suthep - just demonstrates how hate overrides any sort of rational thinking.

No doubt there are those instigating execution-style murder on both sides but it does not help to condone the killings or make outrageous allegations of 'who done it'.

[Just1Voice]

Thailand a Buddhist country? Only in the travel brochures.

[MGP]

hahahahaha, this has to be the biggest laugh yet and foot in mouth move by the red. After throwing/firing grenades and killing kids and women, shooting indiscriminently at protesters and leaving bombs at the homes/offices of anyone that opposes the red ideals they are now saying they are worried they are being tergetted. Seems that when the reds start getting some of their own medicine(if it even was that)they start to sh*t themselves, typical of a group of thugs, its only good when they are doing the killing, not when they are the ones being targetted.

+1

My family and friends in Chaengwattana are also insecure with all those frequent grenade attacks.

[AleG]

To protect himself, Sombat now goes to public venues less often, refrains from observing People's Democratic Reform Committee rallies in person

Sombat, my hero, I don't go to those nasty rallies anymore, it's dangerous. It doesn't stop me from advocating violence against the anti government people though. I wonder how many monk beaters will attend Jatuporns party now, you can practically see the gears working in old Somchais head, "wait a minute, if it's too dangerous for the leaders why should I go? The 500 baht, I need the money, that's why."

Not that I know much about Sombat Boongnam, but what I've seen of him he has never advocated violence, in fact he always struck me as a reasonable and articulate person; it's a bit of a mystery to me why he sticks with the Red Shirts though.

If you know of any instances of him following the line of the more thuggish side of Red Shirt leadership please share.

[Pimay1]

I would have thought that insecurity would be the least of most red shirt leaders' mental health problems.

At first glance I thought the same thing. Then I looked up the proper definition of insecure. Whereby I found out “unstable” is a synonym of insecure. Therefore in my opinion insecure fits the bill quite well.

unstable:

prone to psychiatric problems or sudden changes of mood.

unbalanced, of unsound mind, mentally ill, deranged, demented, disturbed, unhinged, volatile,

informal kooky.

[tingtongteesood]

with the lunatic Suthep and the Mad Doctor running around I would be scared also, as Suthep says you are either with us or against us no in between. Can't oust the government so start popping off the opposition in the final push.

Come on ! That's a load of bs and you know it, oh yeah, it's Chooka so as usual then.....

I would be far more worried about the hand grenades thrown by the red terrorists under the commands of the big flaring nostrilled one and the the other one ( Nutter-wat and Jatuporn in case you hadn't guessed ) personally.

See, I can used unsubstantiated personally biased rhetoric too.

Do you have evidence about who killed the terribly bad at writing poetry 'poet' ? Do you know something even the Thai police don't ?

Thought not....

[tingtongteesood]

Wonderful example of double standards - from a poster who deflects every post against PTP he can and tries to denigrate anyone who dares post against PTP, UDD, reds, Thaksin and his family.

Your own posts often contain comments deriding the poster, his style or choice of words - all aimed to deflect and try and create the idea that your posts are somehow reality and have some official sanction.

News flash - most people see through the charade and treat comments such as "Typical nasty little post" with the contempt they deserve.

Must be hard spending so much time and effort trying to defend the undefendable and relying on insulting the poster or deflecting the thread.

Next

Hahahahahahaha typical !!!

[tingtongteesood]

I was analysing what you wrote, but you already knew that. I stand by my analysis.

Typical nasty little post.

I see you've been on this forum for a couple of years so you should know by now how to use the ignore function. Oh and thanks for your contribution to the thread.

But then if we ignore you, will you go away ? Probably not, just keep posting your spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs all over the place. When you do such things, we need rational people to see it and call you out on it. The TRUTH will win in the end.

[GunterChiangMai]

hahahahaha, this has to be the biggest laugh yet and foot in mouth move by the red. After throwing/firing grenades and killing kids and women, shooting indiscriminently at protesters and leaving bombs at the homes/offices of anyone that opposes the red ideals they are now saying they are worried they are being tergetted. Seems that when the reds start getting some of their own medicine(if it even was that)they start to sh*t themselves, typical of a group of thugs, its only good when they are doing the killing, not when they are the ones being targetted.

Yes yes bad bad Khmer Thai... Ehm I mean Thai Rouge!! So bad Poo Pot!!

Rouge means red in french.

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[Amavel]

Just shut up and vote. This country is full of a bunch of whiny clowns that have totally lost face. You either elect your leaders or you fail politically, diplomatically and economically. Then you will watch the rest of the ASEAN nations leave you behind.

[gangrel]

I was analysing what you wrote, but you already knew that. I stand by my analysis.

Typical nasty little post.

I see you've been on this forum for a couple of years so you should know by now how to use the ignore function. Oh and thanks for your contribution to the thread.

But then if we ignore you, will you go away ? Probably not, just keep posting your spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs all over the place. When you do such things, we need rational people to see it and call you out on it. The TRUTH will win in the end.

Well said.

[johnno2]

with the lunatic Suthep and the Mad Doctor running around I would be scared also, as Suthep says you are either with us or against us no in between. Can't oust the government so start popping off the opposition in the final push.

rantings of a crazy St. Kilda supporter

20 PDRC killed and about 400 injured. hmmmm they must be doing it to themselves to get publicity

[northernjohn]

with the lunatic Suthep and the Mad Doctor running around I would be scared also, as Suthep says you are either with us or against us no in between. Can't oust the government so start popping off the opposition in the final push.

Actually it is refreshing to see the red shirt scum fearing that what they have condoned could happen to them.

Don't know who the mad doctor is but Suthep has urged his followers to be peaceful. No urging to burn Bangkok down no rockets being fired at public transportation terminals no hospital's being invaded. The exact opposite of the red shirts Who we all know are controlled buy the same man as the PTP. A man who himself is a coward and distances himself physically from all the mayhem he has created.

Maybe the red shirt telephone numbers and addresses should be released to the public.

[GunterChiangMai]

with the lunatic Suthep and the Mad Doctor running around I would be scared also, as Suthep says you are either with us or against us no in between. Can't oust the government so start popping off the opposition in the final push.

Actually it is refreshing to see the red shirt scum fearing that what they have condoned could happen to them.

Don't know who the mad doctor is but Suthep has urged his followers to be peaceful. No urging to burn Bangkok down no rockets being fired at public transportation terminals no hospital's being invaded. The exact opposite of the red shirts Who we all know are controlled buy the same man as the PTP. A man who himself is a coward and distances himself physically from all the mayhem he has created.

Maybe the red shirt telephone numbers and addresses should be released to the public.

I like "we all know"! Yes, the red haters hate and the yellow haters hate. We know...and the farang....well it is none of their business! I think we know. By the way who is "we"? A royalty?

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[Morch]

Just shut up and vote. This country is full of a bunch of whiny clowns that have totally lost face. You either elect your leaders or you fail politically, diplomatically and economically. Then you will watch the rest of the ASEAN nations leave you behind.

Not that this got much to do with the topic at hand, but clearly not all of ASEAN nations practice what you preach to the fullest extent. Some are even quite prosperous.

[fab4]

I was analysing what you wrote, but you already knew that. I stand by my analysis.

Typical nasty little post.

I see you've been on this forum for a couple of years so you should know by now how to use the ignore function. Oh and thanks for your contribution to the thread.

But then if we ignore you, will you go away ? Probably not, just keep posting your spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs all over the place. When you do such things, we need rational people to see it and call you out on it. The TRUTH will win in the end.

tingtongteesood - rational?

An example "Do you have any proof that PDRC members were involved in the incidents you mention ( in which case, maybe y6ou should share it with the police ), or just red sheeple propaganda and your bias making you want to believe it ?" Proof provided, no comment or apology made.

"Idiotic as ever. I have come to expect nothing more from sheeple trolls such as yourself."

"As ever, the Thaksin side tries to bully, intimidate, use trumped up charges and twist and distort and spin and cajole and threaten - I suppose YOU get the point - then again, maybe you are a brainwashed sheeple who ignores the facts in favour of believing the red propaganda. Up to you. I prefer to go with the facts and the truth personally."

Yes, really rational

AS I've said before if you can point out my what you and your little mates regard as spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs and come up with a credible argument as to why you think my posts are "spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs" I'll take your comments seriously.

Until then I've given you the option.

[Morch]

Typical nasty little post.

I see you've been on this forum for a couple of years so you should know by now how to use the ignore function. Oh and thanks for your contribution to the thread.

But then if we ignore you, will you go away ? Probably not, just keep posting your spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs all over the place. When you do such things, we need rational people to see it and call you out on it. The TRUTH will win in the end.

tingtongteesood - rational?

An example "Do you have any proof that PDRC members were involved in the incidents you mention ( in which case, maybe y6ou should share it with the police ), or just red sheeple propaganda and your bias making you want to believe it ?" Proof provided, no comment or apology made.

"Idiotic as ever. I have come to expect nothing more from sheeple trolls such as yourself."

"As ever, the Thaksin side tries to bully, intimidate, use trumped up charges and twist and distort and spin and cajole and threaten - I suppose YOU get the point - then again, maybe you are a brainwashed sheeple who ignores the facts in favour of believing the red propaganda. Up to you. I prefer to go with the facts and the truth personally."

Yes, really rational

AS I've said before if you can point out my what you and your little mates regard as spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs and come up with a credible argument as to why you think my posts are "spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs" I'll take your comments seriously.

Until then I've given you the option.

Not sure that I qualify as a "little mate" or that you accept posts from other topics, but perhaps this fits the bill?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/723227-democrats-threaten-to-boycott-poll/page-2#entry7769664

[fab4]

tingtongteesood - rational?

An example "Do you have any proof that PDRC members were involved in the incidents you mention ( in which case, maybe y6ou should share it with the police ), or just red sheeple propaganda and your bias making you want to believe it ?" Proof provided, no comment or apology made.

"Idiotic as ever. I have come to expect nothing more from sheeple trolls such as yourself."

"As ever, the Thaksin side tries to bully, intimidate, use trumped up charges and twist and distort and spin and cajole and threaten - I suppose YOU get the point - then again, maybe you are a brainwashed sheeple who ignores the facts in favour of believing the red propaganda. Up to you. I prefer to go with the facts and the truth personally."

Yes, really rational

AS I've said before if you can point out my what you and your little mates regard as spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs and come up with a credible argument as to why you think my posts are "spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs" I'll take your comments seriously.

Until then I've given you the option.

Not sure that I qualify as a "little mate" or that you accept posts from other topics, but perhaps this fits the bill?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/723227-democrats-threaten-to-boycott-poll/page-2#entry7769664

The "facts" as per the link I provided:

"The EC’s decision to issue a yellow card to the governor for making malicious accusations against his opponents during the gubernatorial election has resulted to the disqualification of the election. Despite the yellow card, the EC said it didn’t find any evidence to suggest that Sukhumbhand had anything to do with the allegations which would have prompted the EC to issue him a red card instead of a yellow card."

So what does that come under, is it "spin, propaganda, lies or outright bs?"

[Morch]

tingtongteesood - rational?

An example "Do you have any proof that PDRC members were involved in the incidents you mention ( in which case, maybe y6ou should share it with the police ), or just red sheeple propaganda and your bias making you want to believe it ?" Proof provided, no comment or apology made.

"Idiotic as ever. I have come to expect nothing more from sheeple trolls such as yourself."

"As ever, the Thaksin side tries to bully, intimidate, use trumped up charges and twist and distort and spin and cajole and threaten - I suppose YOU get the point - then again, maybe you are a brainwashed sheeple who ignores the facts in favour of believing the red propaganda. Up to you. I prefer to go with the facts and the truth personally."

Yes, really rational

AS I've said before if you can point out my what you and your little mates regard as spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs and come up with a credible argument as to why you think my posts are "spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs" I'll take your comments seriously.

Until then I've given you the option.

Not sure that I qualify as a "little mate" or that you accept posts from other topics, but perhaps this fits the bill?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/723227-democrats-threaten-to-boycott-poll/page-2#entry7769664

The "facts" as per the link I provided:

"The EC’s decision to issue a yellow card to the governor for making malicious accusations against his opponents during the gubernatorial election has resulted to the disqualification of the election. Despite the yellow card, the EC said it didn’t find any evidence to suggest that Sukhumbhand had anything to do with the allegations which would have prompted the EC to issue him a red card instead of a yellow card."

So what does that come under, is it "spin, propaganda, lies or outright bs?"

Continue reading past the line you underlined. I'm sure you're aware of the other details on this case, and so would know that they governor is way too lazy to make such malicious accusations by himself. This was more about others breaking elections rules and him possibly benefiting. More an issue of being responsible by virtue of his position. He is not charged with "Cheating" as you posted.

It's not a biggy, perhaps, but does seem like twisting the facts, or presenting a partial argument using just details that suit the argument.

You're free not to accept it, of course.

[mikemac]

tingtongteesood - rational?

An example "Do you have any proof that PDRC members were involved in the incidents you mention ( in which case, maybe y6ou should share it with the police ), or just red sheeple propaganda and your bias making you want to believe it ?" Proof provided, no comment or apology made.

"Idiotic as ever. I have come to expect nothing more from sheeple trolls such as yourself."

"As ever, the Thaksin side tries to bully, intimidate, use trumped up charges and twist and distort and spin and cajole and threaten - I suppose YOU get the point - then again, maybe you are a brainwashed sheeple who ignores the facts in favour of believing the red propaganda. Up to you. I prefer to go with the facts and the truth personally."

Yes, really rational

AS I've said before if you can point out my what you and your little mates regard as spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs and come up with a credible argument as to why you think my posts are "spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs" I'll take your comments seriously.

Until then I've given you the option.

Not sure that I qualify as a "little mate" or that you accept posts from other topics, but perhaps this fits the bill?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/723227-democrats-threaten-to-boycott-poll/page-2#entry7769664

The "facts" as per the link I provided:

"The EC’s decision to issue a yellow card to the governor for making malicious accusations against his opponents during the gubernatorial election has resulted to the disqualification of the election. Despite the yellow card, the EC said it didn’t find any evidence to suggest that Sukhumbhand had anything to do with the allegations which would have prompted the EC to issue him a red card instead of a yellow card."

So what does that come under, is it "spin, propaganda, lies or outright bs?"

Just because you provide these magnificent "links" do you actually believe they should be taken as "fact" ?

You cannot be too sharp, these links may well be similar to your condescending, smug and arrogant posts - all "spin, propaganda, lies and outright bs"

And it seems I am not the only one who smells a troll !

[rabas]

Thailand is a Buddhist country so maybe we should listen to what The Buddha taught about killing and its consequences.

"There is the case where a disciple of the noble ones, abandoning the taking of life, abstains from taking life. In doing so, he gives freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings. In giving freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings, he gains a share in limitless freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, and freedom from oppression. This is the first gift, the first great gift — original, long-standing, traditional, ancient, unadulterated, unadulterated from the beginning — that is not open to suspicion, will never be open to suspicion, and is unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives & brahmans." — AN 8.39

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/gettingmessage.html

In my words people will live in fear of receiving what the have given (or condoned others giving)

Applies to everybody and all sides

CORRECTION, have you seen the temples? have you seen the chinese gods? the Hindi gods, the tao, shinto, gods? have you seen all the chinese temples? thailand ISNOT A BUDDHIST country anymore if all the followers are BUYING trinkets to ward off .... whatever it is they FEAR, worshiping idols that are clearly not buddahs image. I dont remember Buddah having 100 arms. but i see that in temples often. next to some chinese looking dude. so, dont lie to me when you say thailand is a buddhist country. ... Santika had a GIANT cross inside the building and on the dance floor, so was it a church? nope. its only death now.

BUT, i do agree with you and Buddha's teachings. SAD thing is ... nobody cares. except to save their face. in todays mind, money trumps happiness. .. i only hope i am wrong about what will happen. If your idea of reincarnation is right. we will see alot more dogs on the street. ( i honestly like dogs and think they are the best loyal pets ever) Unlike a thai.

Thailand is a very Buddhist country. I don't contest your understanding of Buddha's teachings but you certainly cannot judge what is in the hearts and minds of a people by sticking your nose in a temple and looking what is on the walls. That's what tourists do. I've been here forever and I'm part of a very huge family, all Buddhist including at least 2 real monks, even the youngest generation takes Buddhism very seriously. Not only are the people Buddhist, but Buddhism is deeply woven throughout the society and culture.

Your quick observation that they have other idols including Christ sitting around say nothing about Buddhism except how openly accepting their culture is of other ideas and people. Rejection and hatred of others' religious views is more a Western point of view. Along with those statues and idols, did you happen to notice the occasional image of a semi clad young lady selling soap or motorcycle parts? I imagine seriously religious westerners would be aghast, but to them why not?, it's a lovely human form. Their complete lack of Western cultural prejudice is one of the greatest gifts you can receive here.

Their open acceptance of others extends to you, or at least your nose and other odd Western features. So the next time you are in a temple, just wai politely at which ever symbols you find nice, and don't worry about others' intolerance and prejudice, your in Thailand, enjoy.

Oh, and don't mistake their horrible politics for Buddhism.

[metisdead]

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[bendejo]

Redshirt poetry? You've got to be kidding!

I like Thaksin

I think he's rockin'

I like the man

I'm gonna get some somtam

If you don't like my red

I'll bust a cap in your head

(copyright bendejo, 2014, all rights reserved)

See ya at the Grammies, homes.

[wooloomooloo]

In respect of Kamol Duangphasuk and this centenary year of Dylan Thomas' birth.

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/175907

I find putting the two names in the same sentence almost offensive, especially in the context of the the linked poem.

Why are you offended? You know nothing of either Kamol Duangphasuk or Dylan Thomas.

Edited May 4, 2014 by wooloomooloo

[Morch]

In respect of Kamol Duangphasuk and this centenary year of Dylan Thomas' birth.

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/175907

I find putting the two names in the same sentence almost offensive, especially in the context of the the linked poem.

Why are you offended? You know nothing of either Kamol Duangphasuk or Dylan Thomas.

Obviously, you're quite wrong.

If you cannot understand why the picking of this poem seems odd in context of Kamol's politics, I suggest you give it some more thought. Can't help you much further as it would probably breach forum rules.

Both Thomas and Kamol being called poets, does not really make their poetic and literary contribution quite the same.

As you claim I know nothing about Kamol, I'll refrain from talking certain issues concerning his character, conduct etc etc.... Wouldn't want to ruin the poetical imagery, would we?