Popular Post robblok Posted May 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2014 It is a coup! I hope US and other embassies seems it that way asap. You can also send e-mail to your emabassy/consulate to say you support democracy and Thai constitution (which clearly tells to have an election asap). I pitty those brave some 30 million people who voted and will vote in an election(s). Everybody should also know that vote buying has been a long tradition in Thai politics just made "know" during Thaksin period. Corruption done by Suthep (who is considered not that wealthy just owning few billions) is much much worse than T. did. The problem/challenge is between Siam and Thailand as a whole. finally last time military picked the government, it was the most corrupted government in decades in Thailand Tough luck for you that most foreigners support the anti government, so if you start that action maybe an other action starts to counter it. I know I would have no problem emailing my embassy supporting the anti government in removal of this corrupt government. I have in fact posted on forums of my home country explaining them what really is going on and how corrupt they are here and how they abuse power and all the nepotism around here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thamteak Posted May 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2014 10-20 years in Thai time. They have beaten democracy - 1 person, 1 vote. forgot the 2006 coup? They gave power back as promised and let fair election happen (which by the way Thaksin won, what more proof do you need?) Yeah, how many democratically elected PM's were removed since then? How many of them were from parties supported by the Amart? They will never, ever let Thailand be democratic as long as they are not being voted in to power. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Bruce Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 After the threats by the red shirt "Uncle Yim" on his FB page one might be forgiven for suggesting free and fair elections will be along long way away yet. This shows the lack of intellect being displayed by them. They yearn for elections, they will fight and die for elections, but they threaten the lives of opposition leaders in the same breath thus ensuring and proving that elections are not going to happen soon. This is why elections may be 2 years away. Training a mongrel dog pack (that attacks one monk) to sit and roll takes years... I think it is time to listen to the majority, even if you don't like it. Elections as soon as possible is the answer. fair elections or biased rigged threatening murderous elections like you usually advocate??? democracy can only happen without Shinawatras - FACE IT!!!! Limiting who the people can vote for is not democracy. If the people are not allowed to vote for anybody who is associated with a certain family, then where do you stop? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salavan Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 ah a back door coup very cleaver dont worry people you can vote sometime in the future promise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Awesome. Military runs the country with martial law for the next 2 years. Bad for Thais. Good for foreigners. The Thai Baht will fall and fall and we'll all have more money every week. Is your reasoner broken? With a interim non partisan PM and a committee working on a reform that is acceptable to all sides the economy will start rebuilding. Except in the domestic auto where they flooded the country with cheap prices on new cars. Many of them coming up for sale on the used car market because the owners really could not afford them what with the rapid escalation of the cost of living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 It may well take more than two years to root out all the corruption associated with the multi-billion baht scams PTP foisted on the country. And that should be part of the process of a fair election--full knowledge before the election of where the money went, who got it, and who accepted payoffs and bribes. Would you apply that to only the most recent government or the one before also? Im thinking in particular the billions of baht Suthep stole with his Palm Oil antics? Grow up that was years ago and you have no proof just rumors. Let me personally invite you into the year 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BlueNoseCodger Posted May 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2014 So basically the Election Commission won't hold finish holding elections within the legal limit of 180 days from the Dissolution Decree. It's criminal contempt at this point. There's not intention to abide by their duty to hold elections according to the Constitution. Their 'quick' election, is 2.5 times the normal 60 day limit for holding an election. The issue of the corrupt senate raises its head again. The Senate has the role of oversight on the Election Commission, and yet the unelected portion of that Senate block the oversight role. So the EC will stay in effective control of budgets and appointment for however long it likes and the mechanism for oversight does not work. It's a coup, at some point the US & EU has to accept its a coup and slap on the sanctions. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maprao Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 We can never agree discussing our own politics in our own countries We have no hope as outsiders discussing Thai politics here. We live with it or move on A bloodless c**p well done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TimCM Posted May 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2014 Hopefully for the people of Thailand this will result in some serious sanctions. How anyone can think this is not a coup is beyond reason. What would you say if the army took over like this in your own countries? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 10-20 years in Thai time. They have beaten democracy - 1 person, 1 vote. You have absolutely no clue as to what democracy is do you. In a democracy you are free to vote for the man you think is best for the job not the one who paid the most or the headman told you to vote for. I suppose you would consider North Korea a democracy. They have a one man one vote system. You seem to think that is all that is required for a democracy. In a Democracy you don't have to worry about the ballot box being tampered with there are precautions taken to stop that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post djjamie Posted May 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2014 After the threats by the red shirt "Uncle Yim" on his FB page one might be forgiven for suggesting free and fair elections will be along long way away yet. This shows the lack of intellect being displayed by them. They yearn for elections, they will fight and die for elections, but they threaten the lives of opposition leaders in the same breath thus ensuring and proving that elections are not going to happen soon. This is why elections may be 2 years away. Training a mongrel dog pack (that attacks one monk) to sit and roll takes years... I think it is time to listen to the majority, even if you don't like it. Elections as soon as possible is the answer. fair elections or biased rigged threatening murderous elections like you usually advocate??? democracy can only happen without Shinawatras - FACE IT!!!! Limiting who the people can vote for is not democracy. If the people are not allowed to vote for anybody who is associated with a certain family, then where do you stop? What if the person that is being voted for is an accused mass murderer, accused terrorist, convicted criminal fugitive that uses a proxy to get into power? They voted for "Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai Acts" in other words they voted for "An accused terrorist,accused mass murderer, convicted criminal fugitive thinks, the criminals sister acts" (who turned out to abuse power to) Do you feel reform would be needed to ensure that does not happen or you feel that the ballot box should be held hostage by a party that ensure that they keep the farmers poor and desperate so they ensure the accused mass murderer, accused terrorist, convicted criminal fugitive can continue to lead the foragers in perpetual poverty while saying they are helping them? Please I beg you to rebut the comments I made instead of belittling me. Belittling me is easy. Rebutting posts is where intelligence shines. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thamteak Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 This is what you get when you don't vote in the correct people time after time after time. You get bitch slapped and all voting rights removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post somjitr Posted May 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2014 People who believe that a benevolent military dictator will set the country right on track to prosperity should study a little bit of modern Thai history, preferably from a source that isn't restricted by anti-free-speech laws. What's happening now is not some novel solution to a unique political crisis. Similar things have happened many many times before, enough to conclude that dictatorship doesn't solve anything. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Hopefully for the people of Thailand this will result in some serious sanctions. How anyone can think this is not a coup is beyond reason. What would you say if the army took over like this in your own countries? You want serious sanctions on Thailand. And you think that will help! Jeeze! Sent from my XT1032 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post culicine Posted May 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2014 I can appreciate any tactic that keeps the cookie jar slammed shut on these dirty bastards for a year or two. Whether there will be elections at all will depend on a compromise by ll sides involved - no compromise = no election any time soon. Root out the dirty politicians once and for all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I find it amazing that the pro government side here on TV do not seem to want to give these talks the time and the chance they need to achieve an agreement in this fractional political landscape .. all you seem to be able to do is bleat "election " " election " Well I didn't work before BECAUSE there was no dialogue .. now there is give it a <deleted> chance! If in a weeks time Prayuth is PM and it's all gone to shit I will be right with ya shouting that its a coup and wrong .. but for now it seems to be going ok. Sent from my XT1032 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post philw Posted May 21, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) It may well take more than two years to root out all the corruption associated with the multi-billion baht scams PTP foisted on the country. And that should be part of the process of a fair election--full knowledge before the election of where the money went, who got it, and who accepted payoffs and bribes. Utter and complete nonsense. Use the Courts to determine your allegation, not suspend a democratic system and replace it with an imposed military junta. Edited May 21, 2014 by philw 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> There is a silver lining to every catastrophe. For Thailand's neighbors - that is, and not for Thailand. Well Thaksin is in pretty tight with Cambodia. Training a mongrel dog pack (that attacks one monk) to sit and roll takes years... So typical of the one size fits all mentality shown by the self chosen ones. Training a mongrel dog pack (that attacks one monk) to sit and roll takes years... I mean where do you get this from, is there a facebook page for PDRC bile or something?[/background] It is known as common sense. How many years have the red shirts been united and they still can't do it. Of course if you are going to use the argument they are to stupid to learn I won't argue with you. Edited May 21, 2014 by northernjohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xminator Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 It may well take more than two years to root out all the corruption associated with the multi-billion baht scams PTP foisted on the country. And that should be part of the process of a fair election--full knowledge before the election of where the money went, who got it, and who accepted payoffs and bribes. Well, its not corruption they are waiting for to be rooted out or in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenp Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Dont tv user think its strange only Khaosod write about it. no foreigner media has been writing about it. So maybe not a problem, but good for Thailand for a period of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amavel Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 No elections, no democracy. No democracy, no foreign investment. No foreign investment, no economic stability. No economic stability, foreign investment goes to other ASEAN nations that leave Thailand in the dust. Red shirt fights yellow shirt for the benefit of the uurich businessmen wearing the white shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumtingwong Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 "Poll shows over 75 percent of the people support martial law" http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/poll-shows-75-percent-people-support-martial-law/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samii Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 It is a coup! I hope US and other embassies seems it that way asap. You can also send e-mail to your emabassy/consulate to say you support democracy and Thai constitution (which clearly tells to have an election asap). I pitty those brave some 30 million people who voted and will vote in an election(s). Everybody should also know that vote buying has been a long tradition in Thai politics just made "know" during Thaksin period. Corruption done by Suthep (who is considered not that wealthy just owning few billions) is much much worse than T. did. The problem/challenge is between Siam and Thailand as a whole. finally last time military picked the government, it was the most corrupted government in decades in ThailandWhich government was that then?Why don't you all actually give the talks a chance? Sent from my XT1032 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Surayud Chulanont (ex General). Of course I give talks a change, but if election timetable is set to 1-2 years, it is not anything called fair nor even constitutional. And who is really leading the talks. Army. They have done this before. Before the fall of 2008 government (thaksin siblings), army pressured the small parties go against government and that is how dems came in power. Note dems have not won any election in more than 20 years. That is even beyond Thaksin. The big questions is why. I think Oxford educated false promises are not taken seriously in N and NE. Dems promised to reform the party,open it up to "the others" as well...they did not manage to do it. And now they want reform ... Suthep is not one of them of course. He is the one who does the dirty job for the party. I am sad that so many of us thinks BP as a bible. That "independent" newspaper is funded by the third rich family in Thailand and known supporter of PDRC etc. Thaksin is only 10 th rich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 PM Thuthep wouldnt allow an election to take place anyways 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 People who believe that a benevolent military dictator will set the country right on track to prosperity should study a little bit of modern Thai history, preferably from a source that isn't restricted by anti-free-speech laws. What's happening now is not some novel solution to a unique political crisis. Similar things have happened many many times before, enough to conclude that dictatorship doesn't solve anything. Correct, a dictatorship solves nothing. Remind me which direction the country was heading in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 It may well take more than two years to root out all the corruption associated with the multi-billion baht scams PTP foisted on the country. And that should be part of the process of a fair election--full knowledge before the election of where the money went, who got it, and who accepted payoffs and bribes. Right... We all know that military governments are great at rooting out corruption. Just look how clean Burma was with the military in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumtingwong Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 It is a coup! I hope US and other embassies seems it that way asap. You can also send e-mail to your emabassy/consulate to say you support democracy and Thai constitution (which clearly tells to have an election asap). I pitty those brave some 30 million people who voted and will vote in an election(s). Everybody should also know that vote buying has been a long tradition in Thai politics just made "know" during Thaksin period. Corruption done by Suthep (who is considered not that wealthy just owning few billions) is much much worse than T. did. The problem/challenge is between Siam and Thailand as a whole. finally last time military picked the government, it was the most corrupted government in decades in ThailandWhich government was that then?Why don't you all actually give the talks a chance? Sent from my XT1032 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Surayud Chulanont (ex General). Of course I give talks a change, but if election timetable is set to 1-2 years, it is not anything called fair nor even constitutional. And who is really leading the talks. Army. They have done this before. Before the fall of 2008 government (thaksin siblings), army pressured the small parties go against government and that is how dems came in power. Note dems have not won any election in more than 20 years. That is even beyond Thaksin. The big questions is why. I think Oxford educated false promises are not taken seriously in N and NE. Dems promised to reform the party,open it up to "the others" as well...they did not manage to do it. And now they want reform ... Suthep is not one of them of course. He is the one who does the dirty job for the party. I am sad that so many of us thinks BP as a bible. That "independent" newspaper is funded by the third rich family in Thailand and known supporter of PDRC etc. Thaksin is only 10 th rich. "US says no coup in Thailand" http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/727795-us-says-no-coup-in-thailand/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 This guy says so that an election can take place in an orderly and peaceful manner. Presumably, the Thai army can assure that right away. Second he says so that "and" a universally accepted government can be formed. That's out of whack. The election "is" the universally accepted government. Once they start start to distinguish that there is a difference between these two - that gets back to the old problem that it is not the voice of the people. (all Thais, rich or poor, dark or light, buddhist or muslim, property owner, or shack dweller, land owner or ordinary farmer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumtingwong Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 People who believe that a benevolent military dictator will set the country right on track to prosperity should study a little bit of modern Thai history, preferably from a source that isn't restricted by anti-free-speech laws. What's happening now is not some novel solution to a unique political crisis. Similar things have happened many many times before, enough to conclude that dictatorship doesn't solve anything. Correct, a dictatorship solves nothing. Remind me which direction the country was heading in? I hope the direction is not Cambodia or Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 People who believe that a benevolent military dictator will set the country right on track to prosperity should study a little bit of modern Thai history, preferably from a source that isn't restricted by anti-free-speech laws. What's happening now is not some novel solution to a unique political crisis. Similar things have happened many many times before, enough to conclude that dictatorship doesn't solve anything. Name the last military dictator. Also how they over threw him. Also what makes you think they are going to have a dictatorship. I know they all ready have one but I am talking about a military one. Maybe in stead of studying history you should be paying attention to it as it is being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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