Man was killed by blows to head, forensic police say

[Lite Beer]

Man was killed by blows to head, forensic police say
The Nation

A large amount of debris and barbed wired was recovered from Phadung Krung Kasem canal after it was dredged yesterday as part of the post-coup campaign to clean up areas near Government House.

BANGKOK: -- An autopsy has found that a man, whose body was found underneath a bridge near Government House on Wednesday, died around a month ago and was likely to have been killed by hard blows to the head, the chief of the police Institute of Forensic Medicine (IFM) said yesterday.

The man was 168cm tall and thought to have been between 25 and 35 years old. He was probably an auto mechanic judging by a spark plug found in the left pocket of his pants, Maj-General Pornchai Suteerakune said.

The man's front teeth protruded and there was holy string (baci) with five colours around his right wrist, he said.

Pornchai called on people who have been unable to locate a relative or curious about the body to contact the IFM and bring photos of the missing person that show his teeth or dental records.

He said police had verified that a Bank of Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives employee card found near the body was not his.

Meanwhile authorities combed a 1km stretch of Phadung Krung Kasem canal between Chamai Maruchet Bridge and the intersection with Wat Benchamabophit, near Government House and other areas occupied by protesters against the Yingluck Shinawatra government.

The dredging unearthed a large number of used tear-gas canisters, firecracker bombs, a home-made pistol and several anti-riot police shields, apart from large rolls of discarded barbed wire.

-- The Nation 2014-06-07

[srsv1238]

PDRC strikes again?

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[chooka]

The dredging unearthed a large number of used tear-gas canisters, firecracker bombs, a home-made pistol and several anti-riot police shields, apart from large rolls of discarded barbed wire.

Yea but did they find my glasses.

[lomatopo]

Suicide.

Next cadaver.

[bkkjames]

If nothing else, maybe someone at the BMA will think that dredging klongs should be a systematic thing not only when a body is discovered.

Condolences to the deceased.

[UbonRatch]

"He was probably an auto mechanic judging by a spark plug found in the left pocket of his pants, Maj-General Pornchai Suteerakune said."

And this guy is the head of Police Forensics? <deleted> sake.

[The Usual Suspect]

[IamNoone88]

Good work. The NCPO should instruct the Police to search an extended area in proximity to both camps to begin the collection of evidence against future prosecutions. I am sure there is plenty of evidence that could prove very useful in exposing the truth to the population and importantly other nations. Lets hope they can do their job properly.

[Alwyn]

Correction The peaceful PDRC strikes again?

here's the one who had it solved on the 4th post when the body was first found.

It was the Monk then, even though his group wasn't within 15km of the spot.

Now without any proof whatsoever the same .......... strikes again.

So you're suggesting the Monk and his group are so stupid that they would not think of moving a body (if they did kill one) away from the area where they were?

[Just1Voice]

To be expected that more bodies will be located in close proximity to wherever the monk's thugs have been.

Unlikely. Most likely a police job judging from all the riot shields and teargas canisters. The monk (bless his holiness) was fighting against such atrocities.

(bless his holiness) ???? What fantasy world do you live in? Here is a man who has violated so many of Lord Buddha's teachings that he wouldn't recognize what a real monk is.

1 - Participating in political events. A direct violation of Buddhist law.

2 - Hiring straight up, gun welding, club toting "body guards" who beat and shot people indiscriminately, and making ZERO effort to pull them in.

3 - Taunting the police by pulling up his robes and shaking his bare backside at them.

4 - Allowing his "body guards" to capture, hold and beat people at will.

5 - The list goes on.

Please tell me what part of Buddhism are these actions allowed, as I must have missed or overlooked them in my studies of Buddhism

[metisdead]

Rumour mongering, speculation, and other inflammatory posts have been removed.

[AleG]

Perhaps those of you furiously speculating over who murdered that person would like to vent some of that outrage over here Suspects in grenade attack on PDRC rally in Trat arrested , where the actual murderers of two children have been caught?

Edited June 7, 2014 by AleG

[wandasloan]

Rumour mongering, speculation, and other inflammatory posts have been removed.

Some, perhaps, but all of the three live, spectacularly. Highly derivative of the junta jeadquarters' promise "to treat all groups equally".

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[Just1Voice]

We can all sit here and speculate and "blame" till we're all blue in the face, while the real fact is that no one has any actual FACTS to the murder of this man. PDRC, UDD, Gambling debt, argument over something stupid that got out of control, pissed off the wrong people for the wrong reasons, the list of possible motives is endless. And those on here who are accusing or defending whichever political faction they support is just plain school yard stupidity.

FACT: Not a single one of us knows who actually killed this individual, or for WHAT reason. And for those to sit here and expound their "beliefs" or "theories" is a total waste of time and space. Yes, this is a open forum for people to express their beliefs and feelings, but try to keep in context and keep it real.

Edited June 7, 2014 by Just1Voice

[Basil B]

Yes, clearly the anti government protesters guards were going armed, but this was response to attacks from the red thugs.

Some guards did over step the mark, but then the police looked the other why while the PTP's hired thugs conducted armed attacks on the PDRC.

Maybe the army should have stepped in earlier, one thing I am clear of is the armed guards of the various factions of the PDRC were there to protect the protesters from attacks from the PTP hired scum.

[wandasloan]

Isn't it very strange that this info for the search came from a bunch of red shirts???

Also many spent bullet casings found, I can't remember any media report over the past 6 months telling of a prolonged gun battle at Government House..... can you?

It's not nice to start a rumour and turn it quickly into an urban legend in the middle of a thread, even a dumb thread. At the moment this is a feeble if carefully driven attempt to insert an urban legend. It deserves instant rejection by everyone. If this thread were actually monitored and policed, it wouldn't even be here any more.

AND IT ISN'T!

"The info for this search" - if that is what you must call it - came from the military commander in charge of the rehabilitation of Government House, operating under the direct order of the commander of the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO). This is a matter of very public, often stated and extremely retrievable information. How you get "red shirts" into it is known only to you - and should stay that way. Any reader accepting such a ludicrous, easily disproved statement deserves the derision he will be getting when he tries to repeat it.

I have no idea what your even wilder "spent bullet casings" paragraph is about, but there were quite a few found in the same canal, in the same vicinity as the body. Your attempt to try to get readers to link them to a specific incident, with no other possible explanation, is also noted - rejected here as it should be by everyone.

In both paragraphs, speculation is one thing, but trying to control the narrative along a single trail is just rumour-mongering.

Yes, clearly the anti government protesters guards were going armed, but this was response to attacks from the red thugs.

Some guards did over step the mark, but then the police looked the other why while the PTP's hired thugs conducted armed attacks on the PDRC.

Oh well, that's all right then, no need to proceed any further.

Do you not understand that "moral equivalency" can eventually legitimise everything, everywhere? Your justification of what now is obviously a murder should trouble you, as it will trouble many others. The parallel argument that "they only caught some of the red shirt murderers" is even worse, an argument that since some bank robbers get away with it, no bank robbers should ever be held to account. Your statements above argue against ALL law enforcement, ever.

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Edited June 7, 2014 by wandasloan

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[pisico]

We can all sit here and speculate and "blame" till we're all blue in the face, while the real fact is that no one has any actual FACTS to the murder of this man. PDRC, UDD, Gambling debt, argument over something stupid that got out of control, pissed off the wrong people for the wrong reasons, the list of possible motives is endless. And those on here who are accusing or defending whichever political faction they support is just plain school yard stupidity.

FACT: Not a single one of us knows who actually killed this individual, or for WHAT reason. And for those to sit here and expound their "beliefs" or "theories" is a total waste of time and space. Yes, this is a open forum for people to express their beliefs and feelings, but try to keep in context and keep it real.

Maybe to spout here if the only semblance of life they have... other than sitting on the bar stool with their names engraved on it.

Just saying. I may be wrong....

[socksy01]

"He was probably an auto mechanic judging by a spark plug found in the left pocket of his pants, Maj-General Pornchai Suteerakune said."

And this guy is the head of Police Forensics? <deleted> sake.

So does that mean if you were found with a flunky and a dildo in your pocket you'd be a pornstar.

[gchurch259]

Did anyone ever get jailed and prosecuted for burning Central World and bombing several businesses and even BKK Bank ? Wasn't the Monk !!

[gchurch259]

Nothing to do with the Death of this human, but I hope this is just the start of cleaning all the waterways. It is a shame that in Thailand Gravity forces all debris to cling to the ground and into waterways instead of trash can. Leads one to believe the Citizens do not respect their country !!

[Bernard Flint]

Bangkok is getting worse by the day for murders. Would hate to live there

[wandasloan]

Bangkok is getting worse by the day for murders. Would hate to live there

You sound pretty sure of that "worse by the day" false statement.

But never mind. Where do you live, so we can do a comparison for all of us?

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[thumper101]

Isn't it very strange that this info for the search came from a bunch of red shirts???

Also many spent bullet casings found, I can't remember any media report over the past 6 months telling of a prolonged gun battle at Government House..... can you?

It's not nice to start a rumour and turn it quickly into an urban legend in the middle of a thread, even a dumb thread. At the moment this is a feeble if carefully driven attempt to insert an urban legend. It deserves instant rejection by everyone. If this thread were actually monitored and policed, it wouldn't even be here any more.

AND IT ISN'T!

"The info for this search" - if that is what you must call it - came from the military commander in charge of the rehabilitation of Government House, operating under the direct order of the commander of the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO). This is a matter of very public, often stated and extremely retrievable information. How you get "red shirts" into it is known only to you - and should stay that way. Any reader accepting such a ludicrous, easily disproved statement deserves the derision he will be getting when he tries to repeat it.

I have no idea what your even wilder "spent bullet casings" paragraph is about, but there were quite a few found in the same canal, in the same vicinity as the body. Your attempt to try to get readers to link them to a specific incident, with no other possible explanation, is also noted - rejected here as it should be by everyone.

In both paragraphs, speculation is one thing, but trying to control the narrative along a single trail is just rumour-mongering.

Yes, clearly the anti government protesters guards were going armed, but this was response to attacks from the red thugs.

Some guards did over step the mark, but then the police looked the other why while the PTP's hired thugs conducted armed attacks on the PDRC.

Oh well, that's all right then, no need to proceed any further.

Do you not understand that "moral equivalency" can eventually legitimise everything, everywhere? Your justification of what now is obviously a murder should trouble you, as it will trouble many others. The parallel argument that "they only caught some of the red shirt murderers" is even worse, an argument that since some bank robbers get away with it, no bank robbers should ever be held to account. Your statements above argue against ALL law enforcement, ever.

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Nope..... when the news actually broke, the news report that was pasted into TVF news section clearly said that the search was triggered on information received from a group of local red shirts who were 'concerned' that the anti-government protesters may have dumped something into the canal.

No urban myth as you put it.

Unlike you red mob, I actually go by information received...

I notice you have not made a single comment to the reds who are all creating 'urban myths' pointing to Bhudda Isara... no you wouldn't do that would you?

[Fat Haggis]

Bangkok is getting worse by the day for murders. Would hate to live there

You sound pretty sure of that "worse by the day" false statement.

But never mind. Where do you live, so we can do a comparison for all of us?

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Utopia?

[fab4]

Did anyone ever get jailed and prosecuted for burning Central World and bombing several businesses and even BKK Bank ? Wasn't the Monk !!

No, the UDD supporters that "everyone knew" set fire to Central World were found not guilty after having been in prison for three years.

Did you have a point to make?

[fab4]

Nope..... when the news actually broke, the news report that was pasted into TVF news section clearly said that the search was triggered on information received from a group of local red shirts who were 'concerned' that the anti-government protesters may have dumped something into the canal.

No urban myth as you put it.

Unlike you red mob, I actually go by information received...

I notice you have not made a single comment to the reds who are all creating 'urban myths' pointing to Bhudda Isara... no you wouldn't do that would you?

"Nope..... when the news actually broke, the news report that was pasted into TVF news section clearly said that the search was triggered on information received from a group of local red shirts"

That would be this news item

The search was conducted this morning after local residents said they were concerned about the safety of the canal, fearing it may have been used as a dumping grounds for abandoned weapons after the PCAD was forced to leave their rally site in the wake of the 22 May coup, an army officer explained.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/731718-body-found-in-bangkok-canal-during-search-for-pcad-weapons/#entry7927759

That's how TVF myths start, with posters like you..............................

[khunken]

Nope..... when the news actually broke, the news report that was pasted into TVF news section clearly said that the search was triggered on information received from a group of local red shirts who were 'concerned' that the anti-government protesters may have dumped something into the canal.

No urban myth as you put it.

Unlike you red mob, I actually go by information received...

I notice you have not made a single comment to the reds who are all creating 'urban myths' pointing to Bhudda Isara... no you wouldn't do that would you?

"Nope..... when the news actually broke, the news report that was pasted into TVF news section clearly said that the search was triggered on information received from a group of local red shirts"

That would be this news item

The search was conducted this morning after local residents said they were concerned about the safety of the canal, fearing it may have been used as a dumping grounds for abandoned weapons after the PCAD was forced to leave their rally site in the wake of the 22 May coup, an army officer explained.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/731718-body-found-in-bangkok-canal-during-search-for-pcad-weapons/#entry7927759

That's how TVF myths start, with posters like you..............................

You are correct however there were far more urban myths expounded in the thread that you provided a link.

It was the 'mad' monk said many, 'forgetting' that he was controlling an area over 10km away.

It was the PDRC by inference said another as the area was so fully controlled by the protestors that no one else could gain entry - except for bombers, shooters, plain clothed BIB and residents.

Luckily enough we now have the army involved so the CAPO-like finger pointers haven't the police statements to create more myths.

[wandasloan]

Nope..... when the news actually broke, the news report that was pasted into TVF news section clearly said that the search was triggered on information received from a group of local red shirts who were 'concerned' that the anti-government protesters may have dumped something into the canal.

No urban myth as you put it.

Unlike you red mob, I actually go by information received...

I notice you have not made a single comment to the reds who are all creating 'urban myths' pointing to Bhudda Isara... no you wouldn't do that would you?

Your moral equivalency doesn't work, sorry. The mad monk pretty obviously didn't kill this man found in the klong. Anyone who thinks he does needs some readjustment in his thinking, as anyone who reads this thread sees clearly. But I'm dealing with a rather clever attempt to turn an invented rumour into an accepted fact and it won't fly. Your original post tried to start an urban myth. I'll stick with that one, and ignore your rather pathetic attempt to "no, no don't watch my right hand, look at the LEFT one!"

Would you like to cite that red shirt news tip for us? Your recollection that someone, best you can remember, pasted text something like that into ThaiVisa doesn't qualify as an actual source. Really it doesn't.

While you're doing that, members might like to check this tiny list of stories (from approved sources) about cleaning up Government House and finding a body that do NOT mention the red shirts, which is what you are trying to sell to members here as your own urban myth but getting some resistance.

To be clear. The National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) ordered cleanup of Government House, seconded soldiers to help with the task. During the cleanup of the grounds, the crews found a body in the klong. They also found discarded weapons and ammunition, live and spent. They also found a lot of other junk apparently tossed in the klong (i.e. not blown in by the wind). The NCPO has decided against actually using Government House, but all staff are returning to work now that cleanup, security checks and so on are complete. The NCPO has expressed satisfaction at the job done. Authorities are continuing inquiries in what seems to be a murder case.

To the best of everyone's knowledge, no red shirts were involved in any of the above except as mentioned in a message you are claiming exists somewhere on this forum.

The Nation:

http://goo.gl/EEvm4e

The Nation:

http://goo.gl/Z4omNH

The Nation:

http://goo.gl/MQxwRU

The Nation:

http://goo.gl/fM3RTr

The Nation:

http://goo.gl/qV5nkS

AFP:

http://goo.gl/cDMG7i

Luckily enough we now have the army involved so the CAPO-like finger pointers haven't the police statements to create more myths.

Well, you have to stretch the meaning of "involved" a bit. This is a police case.

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Edited June 7, 2014 by wandasloan

[Bluespunk]

PDRC strikes again?

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Evidence please.