tangcoral Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) seat bottom to top ledge roughly 60cm,surprised a kid hasnt fallen over yet. Chiangmai airport domestic terminal. Edited June 7, 2014 by tangcoral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyecatcher Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Remember....life is cheap here. Its commonplace to notice the lack of health and safety here, as it is easy to be overburdened by our over the top western rules. Whoever located the seating in that area could do with watching a reconstruction of their child climbing on the chair to look over, then perhaps the penny will drop. In the uk balustrades are set at 1100mm high,ten year ago it was 950mm. if the drop exceeds 4m then you are simply not allowed to have any horizontal bar or anything adjacent to step on from 150 to 750 from the floor.. Did you ever go the cinema foyer in central and look over that one....now that's a scary scary drop. Yesterday I was walking around the landing over the warorot indoor market, that railing didn't reach my waist and I too was thinking a leap of faith from here wouldn't turn out too well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elektrified Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Yup, I know that spot by the escalator very well, as well as the one in Wararot eyecatcher mentioned. My g/f or I always keep a very close eye (and hand) on our child whenever we are at either place (or a thousand other places in Thailand). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 To me, the 8th wonders of this world is how come all those tall building in Thailand don't implode on collapse on to them selves on a daily bases knowing how shoddy local workmanship is and can be... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Usual lack of proactive thinking....wait until someone falls to their death and then visit the funeral with a cheque for 10,000 Baht. Much cheaper than building a higher safety wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Suradit69 Posted June 7, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2014 Remember....life is cheap here. Its commonplace to notice the lack of health and safety here, as it is easy to be overburdened by our over the top western rules. Whoever located the seating in that area could do with watching a reconstruction of their child climbing on the chair to look over, then perhaps the penny will drop. In the uk balustrades are set at 1100mm high,ten year ago it was 950mm. if the drop exceeds 4m then you are simply not allowed to have any horizontal bar or anything adjacent to step on from 150 to 750 from the floor.. Did you ever go the cinema foyer in central and look over that one....now that's a scary scary drop. Yesterday I was walking around the landing over the warorot indoor market, that railing didn't reach my waist and I too was thinking a leap of faith from here wouldn't turn out too well. "Remember....life is cheap here." Oh for heaven's sake, give it a rest. Your pomposity is appalling. Life is apparently cheap in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are killed by the armies of people who consider themselves the righteous arbiters of who lives or dies and labels its victims as "collateral damage." 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyecatcher Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 To me, the 8th wonders of this world is how come all those tall building in Thailand don't implode on collapse on to them selves on a daily bases knowing how shoddy local workmanship is and can be... for good reason, the tall building tenders are usually won by Western contractors. A clue usually is a site perimeter fencing with the hard hat/hi viz signs posted everywhere..............and steel scaffolding not bambooooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Oscar2 Posted June 7, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2014 Remember....life is cheap here. Its commonplace to notice the lack of health and safety here, as it is easy to be overburdened by our over the top western rules. Whoever located the seating in that area could do with watching a reconstruction of their child climbing on the chair to look over, then perhaps the penny will drop. In the uk balustrades are set at 1100mm high,ten year ago it was 950mm. if the drop exceeds 4m then you are simply not allowed to have any horizontal bar or anything adjacent to step on from 150 to 750 from the floor.. Did you ever go the cinema foyer in central and look over that one....now that's a scary scary drop. Yesterday I was walking around the landing over the warorot indoor market, that railing didn't reach my waist and I too was thinking a leap of faith from here wouldn't turn out too well. "Remember....life is cheap here." Oh for heaven's sake, give it a rest. Your pomposity is appalling. Life is apparently cheap in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are killed by the armies of people who consider themselves the righteous arbiters of who lives or dies and labels its victims as "collateral damage." nothing to do with Thailand. i agree with the other posters. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MESmith Posted June 7, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) You have to remember, Thailand is approx 40 years behind the developed world with regards to safety. It's like being 10 years old again in England. As usual, Thailand has to "re-invent the wheel" rather than learn from the outside world..... Edited June 7, 2014 by MESmith 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcbruk Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I know, I went with my gf to her dentist recently. Very modern 'futuristic' building. The entrance up to the clinic was a two-storey ramp about 4ft wide with no handrail on either side. When we left it had been raining so ceramic steps slippery. Have to put up with this if one does not want to live in a nanny state, eh?. Take care ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eyecatcher Posted June 7, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2014 Remember....life is cheap here. Its commonplace to notice the lack of health and safety here, as it is easy to be overburdened by our over the top western rules. Whoever located the seating in that area could do with watching a reconstruction of their child climbing on the chair to look over, then perhaps the penny will drop. In the uk balustrades are set at 1100mm high,ten year ago it was 950mm. if the drop exceeds 4m then you are simply not allowed to have any horizontal bar or anything adjacent to step on from 150 to 750 from the floor.. Did you ever go the cinema foyer in central and look over that one....now that's a scary scary drop. Yesterday I was walking around the landing over the warorot indoor market, that railing didn't reach my waist and I too was thinking a leap of faith from here wouldn't turn out too well. "Remember....life is cheap here." Oh for heaven's sake, give it a rest. Your pomposity is appalling. Life is apparently cheap in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are killed by the armies of people who consider themselves the righteous arbiters of who lives or dies and labels its victims as "collateral damage." sorry but you are going to be in the tiniest of minorities with that opinion...get real. Just look at what you read every single day: tragic accidents in hotel pools; multiple death car crashes every day multiple death coach crashes every month revenge murders in bars drownings in the local dams multiple "jump" suicide victims motorbike casualties every day Now ok, you think Thailand has a caring and conscius attitude to health and safety, and compulsory personal insurance, and public liabilty insurance which is what WE are all used to. we are not in Afghan ir Iraq, a warzone......this is supposed to be a country trying (if only by technology) to catch up with the Western world; sadly its light years behind and its residents are not even on the list of priorities... IMHO. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar2 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 To me, the 8th wonders of this world is how come all those tall building in Thailand don't implode on collapse on to them selves on a daily bases knowing how shoddy local workmanship is and can be... for good reason, the tall building tenders are usually won by Western contractors. A clue usually is a site perimeter fencing with the hard hat/hi viz signs posted everywhere..............and steel scaffolding not bambooooooooo! right. or Western/Thai co-ventures such as ITALTHAI construction group. i was in Bangkok the other day and these cranes are everywhere displaying the logo. they are also building the new under? over? pass in Mae Rim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thighlander Posted June 7, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2014 Remember....life is cheap here. Its commonplace to notice the lack of health and safety here, as it is easy to be overburdened by our over the top western rules. Whoever located the seating in that area could do with watching a reconstruction of their child climbing on the chair to look over, then perhaps the penny will drop. In the uk balustrades are set at 1100mm high,ten year ago it was 950mm. if the drop exceeds 4m then you are simply not allowed to have any horizontal bar or anything adjacent to step on from 150 to 750 from the floor.. Did you ever go the cinema foyer in central and look over that one....now that's a scary scary drop. Yesterday I was walking around the landing over the warorot indoor market, that railing didn't reach my waist and I too was thinking a leap of faith from here wouldn't turn out too well. "Remember....life is cheap here." Oh for heaven's sake, give it a rest. Your pomposity is appalling. Life is apparently cheap in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are killed by the armies of people who consider themselves the righteous arbiters of who lives or dies and labels its victims as "collateral damage." Maybe Michael Moore didn't tell you this, but the US actually had 38 other countries join it in the coalition in the Persian Gulf War, dozens of allies joined us in Afghanistan...and I recall Sadaam killing 170,000 Kurds one sunny afternoon in Iraq. Parents shouldn't let their kids run loose in public, anywhere, except a secure child play area. They actually do make leashes for kids...some parents should consider it, or maybe just refraining from taking their brats out in busy areas until they mature a little bit. It has a lot to do with being considerate of others. We used to get about 2 dozen child drownings per year in Phoenix....bad gate, careless parents.....and add another 5 or 6 left in their 150F cars while their loving mommies went in to have their nails done. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Remember....life is cheap here. Its commonplace to notice the lack of health and safety here, as it is easy to be overburdened by our over the top western rules. Whoever located the seating in that area could do with watching a reconstruction of their child climbing on the chair to look over, then perhaps the penny will drop. In the uk balustrades are set at 1100mm high,ten year ago it was 950mm. if the drop exceeds 4m then you are simply not allowed to have any horizontal bar or anything adjacent to step on from 150 to 750 from the floor.. Did you ever go the cinema foyer in central and look over that one....now that's a scary scary drop. Yesterday I was walking around the landing over the warorot indoor market, that railing didn't reach my waist and I too was thinking a leap of faith from here wouldn't turn out too well. "Remember....life is cheap here." Oh for heaven's sake, give it a rest. Your pomposity is appalling. Life is apparently cheap in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are killed by the armies of people who consider themselves the righteous arbiters of who lives or dies and labels its victims as "collateral damage." Maybe Michael Moore didn't tell you this, but the US actually had 38 other countries join it in the coalition in the Persian Gulf War, dozens of allies joined us in Afghanistan...and I recall Sadaam killing 170,000 Kurds one sunny afternoon in Iraq. Parents shouldn't let their kids run loose in public, anywhere, except a secure child play area. They actually do make leashes for kids...some parents should consider it, or maybe just refraining from taking their brats out in busy areas until they mature a little bit. It has a lot to do with being considerate of others. We used to get about 2 dozen child drownings per year in Phoenix....bad gate, careless parents.....and add another 5 or 6 left in their 150F cars while their loving mommies went in to have their nails done. Glad I'm not your kid although agree it might have been better and safer for all if US and other forces had been kept on a leash......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masuk Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Remember....life is cheap here. Its commonplace to notice the lack of health and safety here, as it is easy to be overburdened by our over the top western rules. Whoever located the seating in that area could do with watching a reconstruction of their child climbing on the chair to look over, then perhaps the penny will drop. In the uk balustrades are set at 1100mm high,ten year ago it was 950mm. if the drop exceeds 4m then you are simply not allowed to have any horizontal bar or anything adjacent to step on from 150 to 750 from the floor.. Did you ever go the cinema foyer in central and look over that one....now that's a scary scary drop. Yesterday I was walking around the landing over the warorot indoor market, that railing didn't reach my waist and I too was thinking a leap of faith from here wouldn't turn out too well. "Remember....life is cheap here." Oh for heaven's sake, give it a rest. Your pomposity is appalling. Life is apparently cheap in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are killed by the armies of people who consider themselves the righteous arbiters of who lives or dies and labels its victims as "collateral damage." sorry but you are going to be in the tiniest of minorities with that opinion...get real. Just look at what you read every single day: tragic accidents in hotel pools; multiple death car crashes every day multiple death coach crashes every month revenge murders in bars drownings in the local dams multiple "jump" suicide victims motorbike casualties every day Now ok, you think Thailand has a caring and conscius attitude to health and safety, and compulsory personal insurance, and public liabilty insurance which is what WE are all used to. we are not in Afghan ir Iraq, a warzone......this is supposed to be a country trying (if only by technology) to catch up with the Western world; sadly its light years behind and its residents are not even on the list of priorities... IMHO. You forgot electrocution in a hotel swimming pool. (two teens died recently). Amazing that the standards exist, but no one gives a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyecatcher Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Remember....life is cheap here. Its commonplace to notice the lack of health and safety here, as it is easy to be overburdened by our over the top western rules. Whoever located the seating in that area could do with watching a reconstruction of their child climbing on the chair to look over, then perhaps the penny will drop. In the uk balustrades are set at 1100mm high,ten year ago it was 950mm. if the drop exceeds 4m then you are simply not allowed to have any horizontal bar or anything adjacent to step on from 150 to 750 from the floor.. Did you ever go the cinema foyer in central and look over that one....now that's a scary scary drop. Yesterday I was walking around the landing over the warorot indoor market, that railing didn't reach my waist and I too was thinking a leap of faith from here wouldn't turn out too well. "Remember....life is cheap here." Oh for heaven's sake, give it a rest. Your pomposity is appalling. Life is apparently cheap in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are killed by the armies of people who consider themselves the righteous arbiters of who lives or dies and labels its victims as "collateral damage." sorry but you are going to be in the tiniest of minorities with that opinion...get real. Just look at what you read every single day: tragic accidents in hotel pools; multiple death car crashes every day multiple death coach crashes every month revenge murders in bars drownings in the local dams multiple "jump" suicide victims motorbike casualties every day Now ok, you think Thailand has a caring and conscius attitude to health and safety, and compulsory personal insurance, and public liabilty insurance which is what WE are all used to. we are not in Afghan ir Iraq, a warzone......this is supposed to be a country trying (if only by technology) to catch up with the Western world; sadly its light years behind and its residents are not even on the list of priorities... IMHO. You forgot electrocution in a hotel swimming pool. (two teens died recently). Amazing that the standards exist, but no one gives a damn.Top of my list!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmayes Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Short Thai designers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindting Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 To me, the 8th wonders of this world is how come all those tall building in Thailand don't implode on collapse on to them selves on a daily bases knowing how shoddy local workmanship is and can be... Have no fear.. Those big 'international standard' towers you see will have been managed from the conception to completion by expat project and construction managers. I am in construction finance and worked in Bangkok, Jakarta and Hong Kong on such projects and I can tell you there is no way a client Thai, Chinese, Japanese, European or otherwise who are funding such a tower would appoint a locally educated Thai to run it's construction. Never ever. Perhaps a Thai educated abroad with 20 years experience in say Dubai but even still (would probably wouldn't happen either as the Arabs would never allow a non-euro/American run their jobs either). I have met great Thai engineers with a good knowledge of international standards and keen to learn, but a Thai client building a $200 million dollar tower will be employing an expat/expat construction/project management consultant to run the job on a typical $15-$20 USD per month salary who has extensive experience and a chartered qualification. Risk leaving it to a local and you'd end up with delays, costing 10s of thousands of dollars a day and quality issues all over the place. It just wouldn't happen on one of the prestigious projects you see. On the lower budget projects around town where they've tried to do it on the cheap they are absolutely riddled with build issues and are always in delay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Watcher Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 ...it's called a "Step-up". Should be another 1 metre on top of that. International Thailand - Speak English - Follow International rules... but don't "change" Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) It seems to me to be more of an issue of the chair positioning Rather tha design Iissue. 600 mm from the seat to top of the rail makes the rail about a metre which is about normal, and more than adequate if the chairs weren't there. Move the row of chairs and there is no issue, and no thrashing of all things Thai, from architects down, is required. Having said that, the current situation is entirely unsatisfactory, but consider that the chairs may have been positioned by a cleaner?? I'm almost sure when I last used one of these rows of chairs that they were well away from the rail, therefore no risk. Edited June 7, 2014 by F4UCorsair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I'm unable to further edit my post above. Perhaps the airport management would benefit from a visit by a risk analyst, but somebody in airport management must take that initiative.......... and there, my friends, lies the REAL problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokay Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Remember....life is cheap here. Its commonplace to notice the lack of health and safety here, as it is easy to be overburdened by our over the top western rules. Whoever located the seating in that area could do with watching a reconstruction of their child climbing on the chair to look over, then perhaps the penny will drop. In the uk balustrades are set at 1100mm high,ten year ago it was 950mm. if the drop exceeds 4m then you are simply not allowed to have any horizontal bar or anything adjacent to step on from 150 to 750 from the floor.. Did you ever go the cinema foyer in central and look over that one....now that's a scary scary drop. Yesterday I was walking around the landing over the warorot indoor market, that railing didn't reach my waist and I too was thinking a leap of faith from here wouldn't turn out too well. "Remember....life is cheap here." Oh for heaven's sake, give it a rest. Your pomposity is appalling. Life is apparently cheap in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are killed by the armies of people who consider themselves the righteous arbiters of who lives or dies and labels its victims as "collateral damage." Then it's a good thing we're not in Afghanistan or Iraq. He's right, life is cheap here. However, that is not the reason they build low ledges. They build them because they don't plan well (or at all), have poor construction / engineering skills, often don't use measuring tapes or sticks, and historically, Asians in the past have generally been much shorter than westerners. It also makes no sense to fix them when it would be cheaper to pay off a family of someone who went over. Economics 101. Your western brain doesn't want to agree with such a horrible thing, and it shouldn't, but that's how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHP87 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Remember....life is cheap here. Its commonplace to notice the lack of health and safety here, as it is easy to be overburdened by our over the top western rules. Whoever located the seating in that area could do with watching a reconstruction of their child climbing on the chair to look over, then perhaps the penny will drop. In the uk balustrades are set at 1100mm high,ten year ago it was 950mm. if the drop exceeds 4m then you are simply not allowed to have any horizontal bar or anything adjacent to step on from 150 to 750 from the floor.. Did you ever go the cinema foyer in central and look over that one....now that's a scary scary drop. Yesterday I was walking around the landing over the warorot indoor market, that railing didn't reach my waist and I too was thinking a leap of faith from here wouldn't turn out too well. "Remember....life is cheap here." Oh for heaven's sake, give it a rest. Your pomposity is appalling. Life is apparently cheap in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are killed by the armies of people who consider themselves the righteous arbiters of who lives or dies and labels its victims as "collateral damage." Unless you've served and are intimately familiar with the rules of engagement, you haven't a clue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakename Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Blame it on the Cleaner? Gotta watch those cleaning ladies, they will change all the engineers great plans. No one at the top, ever takes responsibility, now even us farangs are blaming the lowest on the rung! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer666 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Maybe they are designed for the lazy suicide jumper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindting Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 What exactly is between the ears of the management who work in this airport I wonder ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 To me, the 8th wonders of this world is how come all those tall building in Thailand don't implode on collapse on to them selves on a daily bases knowing how shoddy local workmanship is and can be... Apparently you don't know as much as you think you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Remember....life is cheap here. Its commonplace to notice the lack of health and safety here, as it is easy to be overburdened by our over the top western rules. Whoever located the seating in that area could do with watching a reconstruction of their child climbing on the chair to look over, then perhaps the penny will drop. In the uk balustrades are set at 1100mm high,ten year ago it was 950mm. if the drop exceeds 4m then you are simply not allowed to have any horizontal bar or anything adjacent to step on from 150 to 750 from the floor.. Did you ever go the cinema foyer in central and look over that one....now that's a scary scary drop. Yesterday I was walking around the landing over the warorot indoor market, that railing didn't reach my waist and I too was thinking a leap of faith from here wouldn't turn out too well. "Remember....life is cheap here." Oh for heaven's sake, give it a rest. Your pomposity is appalling. Life is apparently cheap in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are killed by the armies of people who consider themselves the righteous arbiters of who lives or dies and labels its victims as "collateral damage." In all fairness you are overstating the figures. Here in Thailand we have 6,000 killed the same way in just three of are provinces. To be honest with you many of these items were built with the Thai in mind. Look around at all the low sitting furniture defiantly not built for foreigners. One other thing is when the Thai's build they are still in the process of learning about the foreigners lack of balance. Do you ever see 5 foreigners on a motor bike. From the time they are children they have been subjected to the need for balance and it is second nature to them where as we have to think about it in many of those situations. I don't go around looking at the new condo's but I wonder if they are starting to catch on to the idea that a foreigner needs a higher railing. mine is an older building and only has a 62 centimeter high railing. Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 When it comes to health and safety life is incredibly cheap here.. And until Thais actually internalize that rather continue to practice unsafe behaviors the expression will always apply... Just this morning a observed a speeding pick up weaving in and out of traffic and watching its 6 or 7 passengers all standing in the bed weaving as well... It would be comical if it wasn't so stupid and inches to contributing to thailand's amazing roadside kill rate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante99 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Wow, saw something dangerous in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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