Good reason for having a CarCam

[Daffy D]

Mrs D. showed me this.

Maybe something was lost in the translation but seems the police origionally blamed the driver of the car with the cam for the accident as he was the only survivor. Three people died.

Luckily he had the DashCam and that proved he was totaly innocent of causing the accident.

A point worth mentioning is set the G-Force sensor so your DashCam will lock the last file on impact and it will not be overridden.

Warning! dramatic footage may be upsetting.

Stay with it to the 1 min mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5WeZwegC-s

Me careful out there

[Daffy D]

No edit on starter posts??

The last line should be;-

Be careful out there

[ClutchClark]

Great post.

Thanks.

[HeijoshinCool]

The driver with the dash cam was either trying to keep up with the driver who got hit (family or friend), or was doing something called "locking," where a driver subconsciously keeps up with the vehicle in front of him. They were both driving too fast for conditions. The oncoming vehicle suffered a power-wheel tire blowout under acceleration, which are almost uncontrollable short of specific training.

The dash cam driver, if he'd been driving according to his skill level at a lower speed, could have easily maneuvered around the vehicle he hit.

[BSJ]

The driver with the dash cam was either trying to keep up with the driver who got hit (family or friend), or was doing something called "locking," where a driver subconsciously keeps up with the vehicle in front of him. They were both driving too fast for conditions. The oncoming vehicle suffered a power-wheel tire blowout under acceleration, which are almost uncontrollable short of specific training.

The dash cam driver, if he'd been driving according to his skill level at a lower speed, could have easily maneuvered around the vehicle he hit.

You really thing so? What was the speed of the dashcam equipped car at time of impact?

[HeijoshinCool]

The driver with the dash cam was either trying to keep up with the driver who got hit (family or friend), or was doing something called "locking," where a driver subconsciously keeps up with the vehicle in front of him. They were both driving too fast for conditions. The oncoming vehicle suffered a power-wheel tire blowout under acceleration, which are almost uncontrollable short of specific training.

The dash cam driver, if he'd been driving according to his skill level at a lower speed, could have easily maneuvered around the vehicle he hit.

You really thing so? What was the speed of the dashcam equipped car at time of impact?

Read my post again. I already stated how fast he was traveling.

"… too fast for conditions."

Although if I were to answer your question as you wrote it, I'd have to say 0 kph.

[KhunBENQ]

The oncoming vehicle suffered a power-wheel tire blowout under acceleration, which are almost uncontrollable short of specific training.

Is that in the Thai description or do you manage to see that from the video?

[HeijoshinCool]

The driver with the dash cam was either trying to keep up with the driver who got hit (family or friend), or was doing something called "locking," where a driver subconsciously keeps up with the vehicle in front of him. They were both driving too fast for conditions. The oncoming vehicle suffered a power-wheel tire blowout under acceleration, which are almost uncontrollable short of specific training.

The dash cam driver, if he'd been driving according to his skill level at a lower speed, could have easily maneuvered around the vehicle he hit.

And yet the left rear wheel (which would be the one to blow -out to cause the accident in your scenario) was still inflated.

Where did you get your story from other than out of your rectum ?

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I don't normally respond to immature posters, but for the sake of others who might assume you correct ….

Uh, yeah, the left rear was still inflated because it was the right rear that had the catastrophic blowout. The left rear powered the vehicle into a hard right swerve.

[Hua Hin expat]

The driver with the dash cam was either trying to keep up with the driver who got hit (family or friend), or was doing something called "locking," where a driver subconsciously keeps up with the vehicle in front of him. They were both driving too fast for conditions. The oncoming vehicle suffered a power-wheel tire blowout under acceleration, which are almost uncontrollable short of specific training.

The dash cam driver, if he'd been driving according to his skill level at a lower speed, could have easily maneuvered around the vehicle he hit.

Well it appears you were there and witnessed it all ?

Or are you god?

Sent from my EPad

[HeijoshinCool]

The oncoming vehicle suffered a power-wheel tire blowout under acceleration, which are almost uncontrollable short of specific training.

Is that in the Thai description or do you manage to see that from the video?

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Twenty-five years as a cop, involved in lots of accident investigations when they involved homicides. I can see it in the video.

[BSJ]

The driver with the dash cam was either trying to keep up with the driver who got hit (family or friend), or was doing something called "locking," where a driver subconsciously keeps up with the vehicle in front of him. They were both driving too fast for conditions. The oncoming vehicle suffered a power-wheel tire blowout under acceleration, which are almost uncontrollable short of specific training.

The dash cam driver, if he'd been driving according to his skill level at a lower speed, could have easily maneuvered around the vehicle he hit.

You really thing so? What was the speed of the dashcam equipped car at time of impact?

Read my post again. I already stated how fast he was traveling.

"… too fast for conditions."

Although if I were to answer your question as you wrote it, I'd have to say 0 kph.

"… too fast for conditions" I don't agee! Firstly, I would be inclined to suggest a speed of 90 - 100kph before the impact. Secondly, it was fair weather, daytime, and a dual carriageway. More than reasonable to expect light vehicles to be travelling at 80-100kph.

"Although if I were to answer your question as you wrote it, I'd have to say 0 kph." You...or I could hazard a guess. The impact speed of the 2 vehicles would be substancial.

It all happened in 2 seconds.

Edited June 14, 2014 by BSJ

[332]

Nasty. Anything, absolutely anything can happen in the blink of an eye. Especially in Thailand.

Always remember that.

3 things are vital for driving a car in Thailand:

1st class insurance.

Front dash cam.

Rear dash cam.

Not expensive to set up, and at some point in your life here they will likely save you trouble and grief.

[Jerry Cornelius]

Looking at the video it was obvious that something was amiss when the oncoming vehicle started to round the bend. It was very noticeable, even without zooming in.

So, I'm surprised that neither the leading truck, nor (and especially) the camera truck made any attempt to change speed or direction when the event occurred. With a variance of culpability, they all played a role in the dire consequence of the incident.

All the dash-cam recording highlighted to me, was that the driver had little regard for ensuring both their own safety and that of other road users. He/she was probably paying much more consideration to the quality of the video feed (for later addition to their titter account) than to road safety.

Jerry

[kartman]

I think black truck for some reason ended up in the motorbike lane at the exit of the corner on all the crap thrown there from being a right hand bend did a sudden steering imput and lost the rearend in a cloud of dust maybe over inflated tyres for good measure (TA needs to study ) and sounds like seat belts not used may have cut death toll.

[harrry]

Both vehicles were travelling considerably faster than the other vehicles on the road (including a tour van) which is an indication they were travelling too fast for the conditions. Even after the other truck was impacted no deviation or braking was performed by the camera vehicle.....2 seconds should have had something done if attention was on the road.

[WarpSpeed]

The driver with the dash cam was either trying to keep up with the driver who got hit (family or friend), or was doing something called "locking," where a driver subconsciously keeps up with the vehicle in front of him. They were both driving too fast for conditions. The oncoming vehicle suffered a power-wheel tire blowout under acceleration, which are almost uncontrollable short of specific training.

The dash cam driver, if he'd been driving according to his skill level at a lower speed, could have easily maneuvered around the vehicle he hit.

I partially agree but I feel his speed was manageable, he was not looking ahead far enough, he had plenty of open road ahead, even when he hit him it looked like he had hardly slowed at all. I saw the accident beginning well ahead when he had plenty of time to react by slowing or even stopping. Tragic accident to be learned from, sadly the camera car had no reason to be part of the accident and even the truck ahead of him took no avoiding action, they both had time too to attempt avoiding action going left but did not..

[WarpSpeed]

The driver with the dash cam was either trying to keep up with the driver who got hit (family or friend), or was doing something called "locking," where a driver subconsciously keeps up with the vehicle in front of him. They were both driving too fast for conditions. The oncoming vehicle suffered a power-wheel tire blowout under acceleration, which are almost uncontrollable short of specific training.

The dash cam driver, if he'd been driving according to his skill level at a lower speed, could have easily maneuvered around the vehicle he hit.

And yet the left rear wheel (which would be the one to blow -out to cause the accident in your scenario) was still inflated.

Where did you get your story from other than out of your rectum ?

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I don't normally respond to immature posters, but for the sake of others who might assume you correct ….

Uh, yeah, the left rear was still inflated because it was the right rear that had the catastrophic blowout. The left rear powered the vehicle into a hard right swerve.

I was just reading others perspectives before when I answered but on second look I don't see any signs of blowout. It is a very sharp turn, I believe the driver was rear end light, traveling too fast and began to over-steer and then over-corrected into a tank slapper eventually going out of control and crossing into head on traffic.. It's that simple, inexperienced driver, bad situation, very common end result but usually in the rain not the dry.

Edited June 14, 2014 by WarpSpeed

[TobiasML]

I recognized the street. Taking it almost daily. Most of the drivers are too fast and not in control of the speed. Currently as well they install right turn lanes, which leaves the road even dirtier then usually. This combined with speeds between 100-140 km/h and usually in my opinion unskilled drivers are resulting in more then only those accidents. There are almost daily any kind of accidents on this road, due to drivers taking the curves on the wrong side or underestimating the speed of oncoming traffic. Sadly it is common to have at least one deadly accident per week in this area.his is as well the reason why I always have my car am on as soon as I am starting to drive.

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Edited June 14, 2014 by TobiasML

[funcat]

One should realize,that the speed on the wide angle DVR always looks faster than it is in reality.....why it all happened,well,it did.....

[uwe_rayong]

Hi Heijoshin

Here are a few photos of the accident, if you look at the timeline the car with the cam had about 3 seconds to react to the situation. So I agree with your comment, accident was avoidable for the dash cam car.
The car in front of him had about 1 second to react

I also think a blown tire is very unlikely. If you look at it in slow motion you'll see that at the beginning of the spin dust came up. Second and third picture the car is straight.

You know how many percent of pickups in Thailand are sold without ABS?

I think driver came in the curve too fast, hits the brake, rear brake locks and he goes into a spin...

If you ever have driven an empty pickup without ABS in a difficult situations, you'll know how easy it is to lock the rear brake and lose it.

A pickup with 150 HP or more should not be allowed to sale without ABS and ESP.

[bkkjames]

I think the guy was going too fast, oversteered in correction...

Besides the horrific accident in itself what strikes me is the very dangerous out of the blue construction ahead signage at the beginning of the video.

Checkout how they have built the median curbing a bit farther down that sticks out of nowhere from the right and makes the lane undrivable and some idiot parks his big truck to the side of it...

[WarpSpeed]

^&^^Thank you both for confirming my impressions.. That much time is an eternity to react IF one is paying proper attention and has a plan, always drive with a plan for EVERY contingency based on constant traffic observation... Things like papers on dash boards and stuff that create distracting reflections or movement = poor driving habits. Having said that in reference to the OP, can't see how this could have ever been considered the cam car drivers fault if an officer has the slightest bit of investigative training, let alone common sense.

Edited June 14, 2014 by WarpSpeed

[Mrjlh]

I have to agree with Heijoshincool. Although the video proves he was not at fault, I see four things wrong with the camera drivers driving. One, he was driving too fast for traffic conditions. Two, entering the construction zone he didn't even try to slow down. Three, he even crossed a double yellow line into on coming traffic of a curve which shows he was driving too fast he couldn't stay in his own lane. And fourth, he should have been in the left hand lane after passing traffic per current Thai traffic laws. He did not drive defensively and could have avoided being in the accident had he done so. Driving in Thailand is paying attention to the "other" drivers more than it is getting to where you are going.

[HeijoshinCool]

Oversteering is a possibility.

Either way, everyone involved was unskilled, and driving too fast for conditions.

[WarpSpeed]

Bottom line, 3 killed in this accident, 2 of them trucks and one probably over-steered BECAUSE it was a truck with a light rear end, and large uncooperative tires and doesn't handle for diddly and the car driver was obviously incapable of driving defensively and predicting anything so I'll rest my case on having trucks for protection if you're an idiot or incapable driver you can get yourself killed in anything, but a truck INCREASES that chance not decreases it, especially in the case of incapable drivers who don't know how to react to sudden driving encounters and without the aids that cars provide over trucks like ABS and traction control.

FYI cars are set up to under-steer just to avoid this sort of this situation, trucks are nearly impossible to do due to their multipurpose so it takes a driver who understands this and can deal with it, that's not the average daily driver.

Edited June 15, 2014 by WarpSpeed

[Chao Lao Beach]

Many totaly bald tires in Thailand, especially so on public transport vehicals.

[Woodsie888]

One thing is certain and that is, the Champ is Chumped

[WarpSpeed]

Oversteering is a possibility.

Either way, everyone involved was unskilled, and driving too fast for conditions.

5555. so it went from a blow-out caused the crash and now possibly oversteer..

Your 25 years in the service taught you to back peddle quickly.

So tells us again what you saw in the video ?

Ok Spooners don't beat him up badly for a direction change, I have much more respect for that then the way some here argue to the ends of the flat earth and are still unable to come to terms with the facts ,..

[Daffy D]

Many interesting theories. Personally I think the driver of black truck was not paying attention and just missed the corner. You can see the puff of dirt being thrown up as his front wheel came off the blacktop. Maybe he dozed off, was texting or arguing with his wife guess we will never know.

Agree with previous poster that carcams footage always make it appear you are going faster than you actually are.

I don't think the driver in front of the camera car could have been expected to anticipate what happened. The day was beautiful the road conditions just about perfect little traffic and while one pays attention to the road ahead, a truck flying at you from the other side of the road is not something you could foresee.

The poor driver probably saw something in his peripheral vision and just had time to think 'What the F***" before he was dead.

Looking at the footage again and again it's easy to say the driver could have avoided being hit, really? The first time you watched did you actually see the black truck before it was in the air and almost on the other truck?

In the old days the UK driving test booklet (anyone remember those) they had diagrams you had to learn about stopping distances at different speeds. The stopping distances were in two parts, reaction time, that's the time for the brain to analyze a situation, and actual stopping time when you hit the brakes. I can't remember the reaction times but the are a lot longer than one imagines. I don't think anyone had time to do much of anything.

As I said in the OP according to Mrs.D initially the police thought the driver of the camera car might have been to blame. When the police arrived there would have been just a mangled mess of three cars and three bodies on one this side of the road so their initial view of the accident would have been different before seeing the camera footage.

[HeijoshinCool]

Oversteering is a possibility.

Either way, everyone involved was unskilled, and driving too fast for conditions.

5555. so it went from a blow-out caused the crash and now possibly oversteer..

Your 25 years in the service taught you to back peddle quickly.

So tells us again what you saw in the video ?

Not changing my mind. It's a poor quality video with no enhancement software, and no other evidence available to us. You can no more guarantee it was oversteering, than I can a blowout. Really, I just don't care either way.

The difference is, I can concede I might be wrong (about the blowout, not the speed) whereas your social immaturity and constant in-your-face confrontational postings since you joined prevents you from doing the same.

Say whatever you want in reply. I'm now going to watch some paint dry.