carmine Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 so rooney knockers seems alls quite now!!! seems u all.asked why does he play,? ans, cos up front, like it not, at this level he's better than everything else weve got. Of the 2 england goals he gave one assist and scored the other. He aint reached the 'pinnacles' as a nation we hoped he would, but like it or not he's been or is the nearest attacking player weve had in recent years that s sniffed anywhere near the exulted ' world class' stature. from a poor result against a typicly rugged dour, falling not far short of barbaric defensive display by uruguay ,who was our one stand out player? rooney and the only one thats seemed to 'grow 'with the w/c ans Rooney , certainly gainst uruguay all else tbh looked a touch light weight and maybe even looked out of their depth struggling with their 'style'. Maybe a little more match sharpness and the loon could/should have had ?? what, maybe,3 or 4 and with a better team around him, who knows. but from the persistant knockers, time for a little humble pie me thinks. Rooney knockers haven't been quiet though have they. we've all been saying he doesn't fit into the best team that England could put out and he doesn't. he never should have played. His selection compromises the entire team set up and he's nowhere near good enough to warrant anything like that. He scored one goal, a tap in, in three world cups. Botched a fantastic chance against Italy that might have got us a draw. Gets pulled out of position left right and center, exposes our defense in the process. credit where credits due, he put in a perfect cross for Sturridge. However, at this level of the game i'd have expected nothing else. Theres no need for any humble pie at all i'm afraid. He's the most overpaid player in world football. Paul Stretford must be a magnificent negotiator. (All i'll concede is he's an above average premier league player but i doubt very much if he'll last long under Louis van Gaal.) He shouldn't have been picked. End of. And for that Roy Hodgson takes the blame. So england have a better forward ? Sturridge is our best forward. Rooney is not, his best position being behind a striker. Putting him anywhere else is a disaster. i'm sure the England defense might have had quite a lot to say about the massive gap he offered Pirlo and De Rossi to effectively take over the midfield. Good player without a doubt but too much of a luxury to accommodate in that England squad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijit Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Sturridge wasnt the best forward against Uruguay, Rooney was. sturridge really struggled physically and tbh i wouldnt quite go as far as 2 say he looked out of his depth, but imo at the mo it certainly showed his limits and remember carmine this was a player i wanted us to sign when he was sidelined at the chavs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Sturridge wasnt the best forward against Uruguay, Rooney was. sturridge really struggled physically and tbh i wouldnt quite go as far as 2 say he looked out of his depth, but imo at the mo it certainly showed his limits and remember carmine this was a player i wanted us to sign when he was sidelined at the chavs. yes i do remember you saying that Rij!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I dont often form ` dislikes ` for footballers cos frankly off the pitch they aint worth the effort, but these tourre bros ,,,<deleted>!! now not going home when the bro's dead !!add that on 2 the recent ' reported tantrum' i want to leave cos he ignored me on my birthday,,, really!!! and the other brother popping his wifes slimming pills to lose weight ,,,, w t f ,, time english footie got rid!! let the french have the over paid trailer trash. , A bit harsh if I may say so rij. why ? 20 goals plus and thats redemption? nah mate 2many pointers 2 wards overpaid trash!! Tough decision for the Toure brothers. Do they stay, do they go? I would give them a bit of slack tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 FWIW. Rooney situation with England reminds me of Frank Lampard last season at Chelsea. When Frank played, Chelsea played different. And it was better without him. Dominant experienced players change shape and style. Pirlo does it beautifully. Because he is still top drawer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 In terms of comments re: Gerrard, didn't Hodgson play with a 4:2:4 formation eg with three strikers plus Sterling and critically no-one really prepared to play on the left and give some much needed width. Why I ask is then how do you expect to defend properly when you're placing so much of a burden on the two in the middle, with Gerrard as the oldest and with so much to do. Hodgson similarly made substitutions but at no point did he take Gerrard off for new legs. If Carrick was on the bench he would have made an ideal cover for Steven Gerrard and between them given full 90 minutes, as opposed to 70 min. It's not surprising goals were conceded late on so easily. Gerrard was limping against Italy late on and looked crocked. But others were substituted in preference. Also, in terms of left and right sided width, Bayern Munich for my mind set the current best example with full backs Lamb and Alaba, plus Robben and Ribery in front of them. This gives them the much needed balance and attacking guile. But against Italy the only wide player was Sterling, but Hodgson played him in the middle alongside 3 strikers! History shows successful sides have a balance and use all of the pitch. I just find the set up kamikaze like and the blame solely falls to the FA to realise these shortcoming and come up with an answer. Goals from open play mostly come from wide positions, so forget through the middle wonder goals and tiki tak football. England could do worse than a German coach to find this balance. yes its galling isn't it! How is it that the national team manager couldn't even learn from the original mistake? If he had sorted out the Gerrard situation and the midfield for the Uruguay game at least you could say he held his hands up to the obvious yet he seems even now, blindly unaware!! And why on earth does it seem Rooney HAS to play? He must be the most overpaid footballer in world football and has been for years. Mindyou, he's fefinately not "overrated" in world football anymore. i doubt he's even rated. i still contend that we could have done a lot better than this with these players. fact is, Cole should have gone for his experience and because he's still defensively the best left back and sadly but truly, on merit of last seasons performance John terry should have been brought out of int'l retirement. Neither isJagielka an int'l class of player. The defending was comical at times and woefully below par for this level Anyway, good job i only have a mild interest in int'l football. I must say that you have stepped up to the plate though carms. Your rants of late are definitely world class! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamme Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Are you talking about the same Ashley Cole that was the best left back in the world for a few years? Yes, Ashley Cole it's the same Ashley Cole. But my main point is the inept managerial decisions and why play with three strikers plus Sterling, but still have so little width and decent quality passes in from these positions. Most goals, from open play come from these positions! You only have to watch how the Germans do it to see my point. Furthermore, by placing such an undue burden on the defence, its not surprising we were so easy to score against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Yep. Thank God for some quality from carmine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangon Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 In terms of comments re: Gerrard, didn't Hodgson play with a 4:2:4 formation eg with three strikers plus Sterling and critically no-one really prepared to play on the left and give some much needed width. Why I ask is then how do you expect to defend properly when you're placing so much of a burden on the two in the middle, with Gerrard as the oldest and with so much to do. Hodgson similarly made substitutions but at no point did he take Gerrard off for new legs. If Carrick was on the bench he would have made an ideal cover for Steven Gerrard and between them given full 90 minutes, as opposed to 70 min. It's not surprising goals were conceded late on so easily. Gerrard was limping against Italy late on and looked crocked. But others were substituted in preference. Also, in terms of left and right sided width, Bayern Munich for my mind set the current best example with full backs Lamb and Alaba, plus Robben and Ribery in front of them. This gives them the much needed balance and attacking guile. But against Italy the only wide player was Sterling, but Hodgson played him in the middle alongside 3 strikers! History shows successful sides have a balance and use all of the pitch. I just find the set up kamikaze like and the blame solely falls to the FA to realise these shortcoming and come up with an answer. Goals from open play mostly come from wide positions, so forget through the middle wonder goals and tiki tak football. England could do worse than a German coach to find this balance. yes its galling isn't it! How is it that the national team manager couldn't even learn from the original mistake? If he had sorted out the Gerrard situation and the midfield for the Uruguay game at least you could say he held his hands up to the obvious yet he seems even now, blindly unaware!! And why on earth does it seem Rooney HAS to play? He must be the most overpaid footballer in world football and has been for years. Mindyou, he's fefinately not "overrated" in world football anymore. i doubt he's even rated. i still contend that we could have done a lot better than this with these players. fact is, Cole should have gone for his experience and because he's still defensively the best left back and sadly but truly, on merit of last seasons performance John terry should have been brought out of int'l retirement. Neither isJagielka an int'l class of player. The defending was comical at times and woefully below par for this level Anyway, good job i only have a mild interest in int'l football. I must say that you have stepped up to the plate though carms. Your rants of late are definitely world class! Same old shiters Mr Carmine thank god your interest is only mild or you will begin to sound bitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 England..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijit Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) FWIW. Rooney situation with England reminds me of Frank Lampard last season at Chelsea. When Frank played, Chelsea played different. And it was better without him. Dominant experienced players change shape and style. Pirlo does it beautifully. Because he is still top drawer. yeah, fair point players change the shape of games, but i really cant see murry allowing a player to dictate the style of.play and from watching.lampard.he aint the player he was 18 mths ago. his 'skill' was breaking into the box late plundering ?? numerous goals terrorissing and overpowering defences he wernt doing that, and didnt have the subtlty to.do a.scholes and run a game and keep it moving from deep. he was still.scoring a few plus pens and free.kics. but.bung his wage and of late. the.wholy innefective ashley coles .into the kitty gives murry boy a real chunk of budget to play with. oh and ashley cole wasnt.the beat passer of.the.ball , energy and aggreasion crossing yes and running the.line yes outstanding but passing ,,, nah ,,average Edited June 22, 2014 by rijit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 In terms of comments re: Gerrard, didn't Hodgson play with a 4:2:4 formation eg with three strikers plus Sterling and critically no-one really prepared to play on the left and give some much needed width. Why I ask is then how do you expect to defend properly when you're placing so much of a burden on the two in the middle, with Gerrard as the oldest and with so much to do. Hodgson similarly made substitutions but at no point did he take Gerrard off for new legs. If Carrick was on the bench he would have made an ideal cover for Steven Gerrard and between them given full 90 minutes, as opposed to 70 min. It's not surprising goals were conceded late on so easily. Gerrard was limping against Italy late on and looked crocked. But others were substituted in preference. Also, in terms of left and right sided width, Bayern Munich for my mind set the current best example with full backs Lamb and Alaba, plus Robben and Ribery in front of them. This gives them the much needed balance and attacking guile. But against Italy the only wide player was Sterling, but Hodgson played him in the middle alongside 3 strikers! History shows successful sides have a balance and use all of the pitch. I just find the set up kamikaze like and the blame solely falls to the FA to realise these shortcoming and come up with an answer. Goals from open play mostly come from wide positions, so forget through the middle wonder goals and tiki tak football. England could do worse than a German coach to find this balance. yes its galling isn't it! How is it that the national team manager couldn't even learn from the original mistake? If he had sorted out the Gerrard situation and the midfield for the Uruguay game at least you could say he held his hands up to the obvious yet he seems even now, blindly unaware!! And why on earth does it seem Rooney HAS to play? He must be the most overpaid footballer in world football and has been for years. Mindyou, he's fefinately not "overrated" in world football anymore. i doubt he's even rated. i still contend that we could have done a lot better than this with these players. fact is, Cole should have gone for his experience and because he's still defensively the best left back and sadly but truly, on merit of last seasons performance John terry should have been brought out of int'l retirement. Neither isJagielka an int'l class of player. The defending was comical at times and woefully below par for this level Anyway, good job i only have a mild interest in int'l football. I must say that you have stepped up to the plate though carms. Your rants of late are definitely world class! Same old shiters Mr Carmine thank god your interest is only mild or you will begin to sound bitter. Any idea what You sound like? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 FWIW. Rooney situation with England reminds me of Frank Lampard last season at Chelsea. When Frank played, Chelsea played different. And it was better without him. Dominant experienced players change shape and style. Pirlo does it beautifully. Because he is still top drawer. yeah, fair point players change the shape of games, but i really cant see murry allowing a player to dictate the style of.playand from watching.lampard.he aint the player he was 18 mths ago. his 'skill' was breaking into the box late plundering ?? numerous goals terrorissing and overpowering defences he wernt doing that, and didnt have the subtlty to.do a.scholes and run a game and keep it moving from deep. he was still.scoring a few plus pens and free.kics. but.bung his wage and of late. the.wholy innefective ashley coles .into the kitty gives murry boy a real chunk of budget to play with. oh and ashley cole wasnt.the beat passer of.the.ball , energy and aggreasion crossing yes and running the.line yes outstanding but passing ,,, nah ,,average Could well be right rij. Definitely time for Frank and Ashley to move on. Nothing is forever. Hodgson not playing either was not a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 England..... Positive contribution appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Steven Gerrard's display against Uruguay was so bad, according to Spanish newspaper AS, that they refused to even give him a rating for his performance. They mark out of 3. Meanies. They could have given him a point for his assist. Sent from my SM-N900T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StevieH Posted June 22, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) haven't got very much right this world cup. a world cup of surprises, shocks and excitement. but one thing i did get right is that that new TV world cup forum has attracted some right wallies and proper plantpots. Edited June 22, 2014 by StevieH 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilai Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 England meet Cameron! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrus Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 haven't got very much right this world cup. a world cup of surprises, shocks and excitement. but one thing i did get right is that that new TV world cup forum has attracted some right wallies and proper plantpots. I'd know, if I could get in it..... redrus Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellydog Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 haven't got very much right this world cup. a world cup of surprises, shocks and excitement. but one thing i did get right is that that new TV world cup forum has attracted some right wallies and proper plantpots. I'd know, if I could get in it..... redrus Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand It would just give you heartburn Russ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 haven't got very much right this world cup. a world cup of surprises, shocks and excitement. but one thing i did get right is that that new TV world cup forum has attracted some right wallies and proper plantpots. I'd know, if I could get in it..... Can you get in by clicking here Rus? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/forum/195-world-cup-2014/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijit Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 portugal!!! bizare, scored a last second equalizere v usa, 2 keep hope 4 qualifying 4 thw last 16 alive. totally weird absolutely No celebrations, nobody ran over to congratulate shake hands with the scorer or the assister, ran back as though it was a goal kick, rather than a last second goal that may just keep them in the world cup, i know ' cool' sort of rules but really, 2 me, this was a bit extreme looked 2.me. there' s something wrong with the team spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 haven't got very much right this world cup. a world cup of surprises, shocks and excitement. but one thing i did get right is that that new TV world cup forum has attracted some right wallies and proper plantpots. I'd know, if I could get in it..... Can you get in by clicking here Rus? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/forum/195-world-cup-2014/ No laptops allowed in Strangeways mrboj...thought ya would have known that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Yeah. Chicog is having a similar problem I believe. No disrespect to redrus mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 haven't got very much right this world cup. a world cup of surprises, shocks and excitement. but one thing i did get right is that that new TV world cup forum has attracted some right wallies and proper plantpots. I'd know, if I could get in it..... Can you get in by clicking here Rus? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/forum/195-world-cup-2014/ No laptops allowed in Strangeways mrboj...thought ya would have known that! The nearest I've ever been to Strangeways smokes was the Boddingtons Brewery. Never been in Her Majesty's as I'm a good boy ya know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Think I'd choose the prison tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 World Cup 2014: Frank Lampard named England skipper http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27967383 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrus Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 haven't got very much right this world cup. a world cup of surprises, shocks and excitement. but one thing i did get right is that that new TV world cup forum has attracted some right wallies and proper plantpots. I'd know, if I could get in it..... Can you get in by clicking here Rus? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/forum/195-world-cup-2014/ No mate, takes me to exactly the same page as the other link. redrus Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'd know, if I could get in it..... Can you get in by clicking here Rus? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/forum/195-world-cup-2014/ No mate, takes me to exactly the same page as the other link. Then I'm flummoxed. I hope this on line help desk has been useful for you today sir. Is there anything else I can fail you with 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) I had to update the app then it worked rus....try that mate. Edited June 23, 2014 by smokie36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Get up to speed redrus. You have to update the app more frequently than every 26 years. Van Gaal looking Very Good with the Dutch boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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