jaideeguy Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I made a special trip into Yok for their real 100% butter.....5kilos @ less than 600THB and there was no stock and my wife read a notice saying that they were no longer stocking the real thing. I think the brand name was 'Home Fresh' and it came 5 kilos in a black cardboard box which lasted me for a few months. They did have the same old fake butter with less than 50% butter and the rest being palm oil and plastics,,,,,,,,,,. Orchid, Alourie, and Angkor brands are NOT butter..........read the ingredients!! Does anyone know of a source of real butter?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotweiler Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 What nonsense is this? Allowrie ( http://www.kimchuagroup.com/products/butter-spreads ), available is regular salted or unsalted; as well as DOZENS of spread varieties, is butter. Butter. And only Butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneyboy Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Did you check the recent butter spread sorry thread. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/724753-imported-butter-price/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar2 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) What nonsense is this? Allowrie ( http://www.kimchuagroup.com/products/butter-spreads ), available is regular salted or unsalted; as well as DOZENS of spread varieties, is butter. Butter. And only Butter. that is not exactly correct. it is a manufactured product and not real butter. i recall reading all about it a year or more ago and then overheard a customer and the store manager discussing it at Rimping. then just recently i again read about it - perhaps here on TV? - not sure... but not real butter. don't think it has chemicals but it is a processed food. Edited June 19, 2014 by Oscar2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaideeguy Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 Just read the fine print on all the 5kilo boxes and none were 100% butter and I can taste the difference. Yes, you can find real butter in the small packs @ big Baht, but I have the space to store 5 kilos at a time and refuse to buy small amounts @ 5 times the price of the 5k boxes. sorry, but butter is better IMHO!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quidnunc Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I saw that brand there and I don't think it was really what they claimed it to be. How could someone be selling 100% butter for about half the price that it ordinarily sells for elsewhere? I suspect that the reason it disappeared was they got sussed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diplomatico Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Interesting what one finds to be URGENT, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Interesting what one finds to be URGENT, isn't it? Well; at least it's proper food and not a shortage of Pepsi or Coke....aka Drain Cleaner ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 What nonsense is this? Allowrie ( http://www.kimchuagroup.com/products/butter-spreads ), available is regular salted or unsalted; as well as DOZENS of spread varieties, is butter. Butter. And only Butter. Sure the company says so on its website so it must be true. I just looked at the Allowrie Pure Butter in the fridge and it's far from pure - 80% butter oil and the other 20% is "not butter" - 2% salt, 2% milk solids and I'm guessing the rest is water. Hope you can find some pure butter before anyone dies there jaideeguy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diplomatico Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Interesting what one finds to be URGENT, isn't it? Well; at least it's proper food and not a shortage of Pepsi or Coke....aka Drain Cleaner ! If you say so...I don't consider something that is 100% fat calories to be "proper food". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaideeguy Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 What nonsense is this? Allowrie ( http://www.kimchuagroup.com/products/butter-spreads ), available is regular salted or unsalted; as well as DOZENS of spread varieties, is butter. Butter. And only Butter. Sure the company says so on its website so it must be true. I just looked at the Allowrie Pure Butter in the fridge and it's far from pure - 80% butter oil and the other 20% is "not butter" - 2% salt, 2% milk solids and I'm guessing the rest is water. Hope you can find some pure butter before anyone dies there jaideeguy... I am starting to get the shakes and dizzy spells from withdrawal from the real thing. Anyone know where 'Butter is better' gets theirs from?? I used to buy the 'real thing' in the small packs @ 25THB for 275g? and one day a few years ago, the price jumped to 79thb and that's when I started to buy in 5K bulk boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 What exactly is the "real thing" - does it say on the label that the ingredients are 100% milk? Even Marilyn Chambers was only 99 44/100 % pure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimCM Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 If it is that important to you, you could make your own. Then sell it to others that share the passion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I found this in Wikipedia - " In the United States, products sold as "butter" are required to contain a minimum of 80% butterfat; in practice, most American butters contain only slightly more than that, averaging around 81% butterfat. European butters generally have a higher ratio, which may extend up to 85%." So from this it would appear that my Allowrie is indeed "butter", if only barely, according to US standards. Looking forward to hearing what real butter really is here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) What nonsense is this? Allowrie ( http://www.kimchuagroup.com/products/butter-spreads ), available is regular salted or unsalted; as well as DOZENS of spread varieties, is butter. Butter. And only Butter. Wrong Note the 80% is not butterfat is butter oil..a different product Edited June 19, 2014 by harrry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunVee Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 There is only one place that sells "REAL" butter accordingly to French standards. And that is Big-C because they are part of the French Casino group. They sell imported French butter in 225gr paper wrapped packs (and sometimes half kilo), pretty expensive around 400 THB I believe,.... but well worth the money if you KNOW real butter. All the rest they're selling in Chiang Mai (that I know of and mentioned above inclusive the Yok Black Box) is NOT the label "real butter" worthy. Sorry, but that's how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 What nonsense is this? Allowrie ( http://www.kimchuagroup.com/products/butter-spreads ), available is regular salted or unsalted; as well as DOZENS of spread varieties, is butter. Butter. And only Butter. Wrong Note the 80% is not butterfat is butter oil..a different product That, I didn't note. It would appear then that my Allowrie is reconstituted from clarified butter using the milk solids and water, whereas "real" butter has never been clarified - and it's not about percentages? Let me know when you find the one made from butter fat jaideeguy I have to try it and see if it tastes any different. Always interesting to learn something new thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunVee Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) (French) or European standards for butter: Butter is churned cream of milk. To be allowed to use the protected name: butter (in Europe) the product should contain at least 80% fat from milk (not the oil). Milk from cows contains about 4% of milk-fat. You'll need about 20 liters of milk to make 1 kilo of butter. And that is why anything that sells below (let's say) 600-700 THB per/kilo can NEVER BE REAL BUTTER! Note: The name Peanut butter, for example, is not allowed in Europe, therefore we call it peanut-spread or 'pindakaas' (in Dutch) using the name butter for anything else than the above product is not allowed. Edited June 19, 2014 by KhunVee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 And that is why anything that sells below (let's say) 600 THB per/kilo can NEVER BE REAL BUTTER! Well according to the current world price for butter fat (which does appear to have risen dramatically in recent months) and fx I calculate that it costs about 171 baht/kg so I dispute your assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunVee Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) And that is why anything that sells below (let's say) 600 THB per/kilo can NEVER BE REAL BUTTER! Well according to the current world price for butter fat (which does appear to have risen dramatically in recent months) and fx I calculate that it costs about 171 baht/kg so I dispute your assertion. That price is correct. But that is the price for the commodity butterfat. So when the storage, transport to the factory, production process into butter, quality control, packing, distribution/logistics, marketing, retail mark-up, shelf-life loss, staffing and others are totally free of charge .../... THEN you can sell your butter for less than 600 THB per kilo. Yes you are correct Sir,... or Madam,... because you're never really sure when dealing with trolls. Edited June 19, 2014 by KhunVee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The current average retail price for butter today in the US (which also appears to have risen steeply in recent months), and has the same standards as France, is about USD 2.20/# or about 158 baht/kg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quidnunc Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 What nonsense is this? Allowrie ( http://www.kimchuagroup.com/products/butter-spreads ), available is regular salted or unsalted; as well as DOZENS of spread varieties, is butter. Butter. And only Butter. Wrong Note the 80% is not butterfat is butter oil..a different product Butterfat and butter oil are the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) What nonsense is this? Allowrie ( http://www.kimchuagroup.com/products/butter-spreads ), available is regular salted or unsalted; as well as DOZENS of spread varieties, is butter. Butter. And only Butter. Wrong Note the 80% is not butterfat is butter oil..a different product Butterfat and butter oil are the same thing. No Butter is made from churned cream. Butter oil can be extracted in various ways , is stored for long periods without refigeration etc and when used in reconstituted form the product does not taste at all the same as the simple traditional form just as reconstituted orange juice is a poor shadow of the real thing. http://www.webexhibits.org/butter/churning.html Totally different process to this http://www.westfalia-separator.com/applications/dairy-technology/milk-fat-and-butter/butter-oil.html Edited June 19, 2014 by harrry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quidnunc Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 There is only one place that sells "REAL" butter accordingly to French standards. And that is Big-C because they are part of the French Casino group. They sell imported French butter in 225gr paper wrapped packs (and sometimes half kilo), pretty expensive around 400 THB I believe,.... but well worth the money if you KNOW real butter. All the rest they're selling in Chiang Mai (that I know of and mentioned above inclusive the Yok Black Box) is NOT the label "real butter" worthy. Sorry, but that's how it is. Not true. Makro sells Emborg butter. It's first rate. This was recommended to my by the old French chef who passed away recently. His son owns La Fourchette. I think the cost is 89 baht for 200 grams. And there are other butters there. I know that the Tops in Central Festival sells several varieties of European butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudhopper Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 What nonsense is this? Allowrie ( http://www.kimchuagroup.com/products/butter-spreads ), available is regular salted or unsalted; as well as DOZENS of spread varieties, is butter. Butter. And only Butter. Wrong Note the 80% is not butterfat is butter oil..a different product Butterfat and butter oil are the same thing. No Butter is made from churned cream. Butter oil can be extracted in various ways , is stored for long periods without refigeration etc and when used in reconstituted form the product does not taste at all the same as the simple traditional form just as reconstituted orange juice is a poor shadow of the real thing. http://www.webexhibits.org/butter/churning.html Totally different process to this http://www.westfalia-separator.com/applications/dairy-technology/milk-fat-and-butter/butter-oil.html Very enlightening thanks. So can you tell us how we can tell the difference by the label or ingredients listed on the package? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quidnunc Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Interesting what one finds to be URGENT, isn't it? Well; at least it's proper food and not a shortage of Pepsi or Coke....aka Drain Cleaner ! If you say so...I don't consider something that is 100% fat calories to be "proper food". Actually, it's between 80-85 percent fat. Whereas olive oil is virtually 100 percent fat. Which makes it even less proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugocnx Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Interesting what one finds to be URGENT, isn't it? Yes, butter is urgent. Got any taste in yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneyboy Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Some Crumpets to go with my pretend butter would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugocnx Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) What nonsense is this? Allowrie ( http://www.kimchuagroup.com/products/butter-spreads ), available is regular salted or unsalted; as well as DOZENS of spread varieties, is butter. Butter. And only Butter. Wrong Note the 80% is not butterfat is butter oil..a different product Butterfat and butter oil are the same thing. Not true, butter oil is an oil with butter flavor. If you know a bit of chemics, you'll know that there is such a fluid like butter flavor. Butter fat is the real stuff. Edited June 19, 2014 by hugocnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooked Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 There is only one place that sells "REAL" butter accordingly to French standards. And that is Big-C because they are part of the French Casino group. They sell imported French butter in 225gr paper wrapped packs (and sometimes half kilo), pretty expensive around 400 THB I believe,.... but well worth the money if you KNOW real butter. All the rest they're selling in Chiang Mai (that I know of and mentioned above inclusive the Yok Black Box) is NOT the label "real butter" worthy. Sorry, but that's how it is. Not true. Makro sells Emborg butter. It's first rate. This was recommended to my by the old French chef who passed away recently. His son owns La Fourchette. I think the cost is 89 baht for 200 grams. And there are other butters there. I know that the Tops in Central Festival sells several varieties of European butter. Yes, I discovered this also, but it still doesn't quite do it for me. It's just ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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