Graft buster rejects Yingluck's more witness request

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lapd, on 22 Jun 2014 - 23:55, said:

Trouble, on 22 Jun 2014 - 22:45, said:

Damn, it is difficult for me to understand the hate that exists here on TV about the woman. There has been no evidence provided by anyone that she personally profited from any part of the rice pledging scheme or that she knowingly allowed others to do so. Personally I don't think after all the problems her brother had that she would be stupid enough to involve herself is such a situation which could cause such scandal for her and her family. So many here assume without evidence that somehow she personally profited from this scheme. The scheme was obviously a political scheme to help support the rice farmers, the PTP political base. Did others corrupt the scheme, probably. They should be going after anyone who did but is everything that went wrong her fault? Did she participate in such legislation to corrupt the scheme or personally profit from it? There has been not even a hint of evidence to say she did. Is an investigation needed, you bet. But this investigation is more a political witch hunt than criminal investigation. There is no doubt in my mind that in the end she will be found not guilt to corruption and guilty of malfeasance which is what they really want to do to keep her from resuming politics.

As far as the witnesses, as usual the article is short on facts and we have no clue how many witnesses have been requested in total. Corruption exists in Thailand at all levels and in every sector of life. You Shin hates cannot blame them for everything that is wrong with Thailand even if you would like to.

There is lots of hyperbole but what do you expect? It's the internet.

The rice pledging scheme was very short sighted, poorly thought out and managed so she deserves to get the boot for that! This is how they do that in Thailand. Accuse them of corruption or whatever. That is how they got the last yellow shirt guy out I think. I think all he did was have a cooking show simply because he liked to cook. They accused him of corruption or whatever for accepting a bit of money for that I think but it was clearly not the reason he did it. In the end nothing usually comes of the serious charges. All that happens is the person is permanently tainted which limits or kills their political career. That's just how politics work in Thailand.

Only the really smart ones like Chalem surivive long term and manage to keep or expand their influence. I suspect he's pulling a lot of strings in the background and probably the one they should really be going after. He's just too slippery for them though. That guy is like a Thai version of Dick Cheney.

"That is how they got the last yellow shirt guy out I think. I think all he did was have a cooking show simply because he liked to cook. They accused him of corruption or whatever for accepting a bit of money for that I think but it was clearly not the reason he did it."

Suggest you do quite a bit more research, there are so many serious errors in your statement, the facts are totally different to your words, you even got the colour code wrong, or perhaps you intend to mislead.

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Damn, it is difficult for me to understand the hate that exists here on TV about the woman.

I don't hate the woman, that takes too much negative energy.

But I do intensely dislike what she represented, even though it wasn't of her creation, I doubt that she ever knew what she was doing, therefore I have nothing but pity, I doubt that she could grasp that concept though.

The person who put her there though is another story.

This is pretty much my take on it too. Her brother and/or his former guys were always calling the shots. She was just a figurehead.

"figurehead"

Fake, puppet are more appropriate words.

You miss the point that she and her ilk had no hesitation to go right ahead, with no conscience to insult the good Thai people with nothing more than a puppet routine whilst behind the scenes their gang raped the country, which the objective all along.

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I'm in the middle again. I think she should be allowed as many witnesses as she can make appear in a specific time frame. Let these witnesses have their say, limit their time on the stand, limit the group to a few days. Eight witnesses, even in the most elaborate circumstances, could each tell their view in an hour, plus one hour for cross-examination. Sixteen hours max, and throw in a whole day if someone has elements outside discovery.

It's just not the way of any court to be that efficient...sadly.

Ad the Late Great Douglass Adams said about a slightly related issue -- "We demand areas of well-defined doubt! You could have a national philosopher's strike on your hands" (sic).

There is no discovery process in Thailand. The law us not the same as US or UK law though much of the law was copied from the UK and Germany. The Thais have made their own adaptations of course - some rather a hinderance to justice.

Those posters who think Yingluck should be able to continually seek more witnesses obviously have no understanding of the law. Every court will limit witnesses to those necessary to the case at issue. Yingluck is just playing for time and the court is not having it.

Unfortunately it is ignorance of the facts by the average man that leads to those of a certain persuasion saying it is all a set up. In that regard the court might have given a better and fuller explanation for the sake of public understanding.

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Yingluck's massive naievty, or ill-knowledge, is shown in the fact she is still here.

She was in Chiang Mai, on countless occasions, and had the opportunity to flee and fly off to somewhere near the Middle-East.

But no, she's above it all... so she believed. Now she's under lock and key, and going nowhere far at all. I pity her naievty somewhat, about as much as I pity the fly I swotted that just landed on my beer glass!

At least her son can visit her, after she's locked up. Motherly instincts.. awwwww bless.

Edit: Feel free to call me a lunt.

Do you really believe that she will be "locked up"?

She won't be locked up as a result of this investigation or any other, or any trial for that matter. She will merely be 'transferred to a non-active role' as others have been! Perhaps in Dubai, who knows?

To lock her up would be too politically sensitive and IMHO the coup leaders would probably be content, not only for her to go into 'exile', but also for her brother to remain where he is too.

I doubt very much that we will see any of the various ringleaders actually locked up.

Even if they were, it would only be as long as a sympathetic party, once in power, would grant an 'amnesty'.

I'm not saying that would be right, I'm just saying that would probably be the reality.

Sadly you are probably correct. A public rebuttal, big loss of face, maybe even at some point a 5 year ban from politics (as if she's worried). Then she'll simply slip away to live the life of a billionaire shopper and mother.

Big Brother - maybe cancel his illegally issued passport (will Yinggy and cousin number 1 ever be held accountable?). Extradition - not likely, too much paperwork.

He can return after the statute of limitations on his conviction and the other 15 outstanding charges has expired. Meantime, he'll keep scheming and plotting and no doubt invent yet another new political party to control.

No hiso Chinese wealthy connected family member ever ever goes to prison here. That bit is unlikely to change.

Wouldn't it be a good idea if the statute of limitations was removed and there was no time limit as to when the charges can be brought and the person brought to court to stand trial?

Perhaps the Army has thought of that already.