Get off your high horse, America, we do not need a ride: Thai opinion

[newatthis]

Nobody and no country in this world is perfect, so we have to drop this idea of not listening to others just because they have problems. If I my drinking was causing problems at work and at home, I would be foolish to ignore criticism from a friend just because he/she is a nicotine/porno addict. To tell others "get your own life in order before you tell me what to do" is the epitome of stupidity.

[Neeranam]

I thought it was the late Robin Gibb that sang those words.

[Neeranam]

Does the USA oppose every government run by unelected governments?

Like:

• Brunei
• Oman
• Qatar
• Saudi Arabia
• Swaziland
• Vatican City

Strawman argument there.

5 of those countries have no history of democracy or elections - so government was never elected in them.

In the 6th - weeelllll.... technically the Pope IS elected - by the cardinals, not by the people though.

The last 2 countries have no oil so why would the corrupt US government care about them?

[Neeranam]

Why did the US invade Iraq because of Kuwait but not China because of Tibet? As if anyone didn't know. Absolutely no integrity .

[iphad]

Well the Americans can get on their high horse today as they advance to the next round in 2014 FIFA World Cup.

Congrats.

You won't win it all probably so get used to getting off that horse again in the near future..lol

Edited June 27, 2014 by iphad

[Denim]

Get off your high horse, America, we do not need a ride.

So if you don't want a ride, what do you want the horse for ?

[pantareiyingluck]

The writer had a chance to make a point here. unfortunately the article is a smattering of negativity from Google searches with no coherent connection.

Yes Thailand you have made a mess of your politics, just admit it and try to fix it. Deflection to America will not make any difference.

Just because America has it's own problems doesn't mean they and the rest of the world can't see yours.

Talking about high horses, Thailand's time has come to be more humble, mature, and take very, very serious action on domestic problems. Neighboring countries are catching up, after their episodes of political misery. If the US pulls out it economic ties NOW from Thailand, we do not need Cambodian workers anymore and the unemployment rate for Thais will be +10%.

[Morch]

Get off your high horse, America, we do not need a ride.

So if you don't want a ride, what do you want the horse for ?

For reasons.

[robertson468]

Thailand really does suffer from delusions of grandeur.its laughable one of the most corrupt countrys in se asia, a terrible human rights record even on its own people, a system that accepts and promotes prostitution of all genders etcThailand the hub of 3^rd world laughs

And America does not suffer delusions of grandeur, with it's insurance ifs inflicting the rest of the World with it' failing and egocentric style of so called democracy that one fit suits all shoes. Even their Ambassador to Thailand struggles to speak Thai, presumably because they are above that! I would also remind you of America'S wonderful record of human rights for Black People, which in parts is still pathetically unacceptable! As for corruption and prostitution, I would strongly suggest you take off your rather large blinkers. Go to Germany and several other "modern" Countries to see how it has both been legalized and is thriving, despite the "false bible, gun tooting people of the USA. WE ARE THE USA AND WE WILL GIVE YOU OUR STYLE OF DEMOCRACY, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. Wake up Terryp there is a real thriving world out there that is quite capable of developing itself, without the misguided aid of America, who frankly have abysmally failed to do the case study of Thailand - not the first time, as has been mentioned before.

[spidermike007]

Sorry but this is typical Thai posturing - When faced with criticism, they in turn become critical of the person - or nation - criticizing them, and spin the whole story with a nationalistic twist of Thailand the (couragous and proud) victim standing up for itself against the foreigner the bully.

But the persistent underlying problems remain. They just can't hear them anymore because they are all to busy screaming nationalistic sentiments.

Very true. There is something about face, that makes cowards out of men and women. Let us not face up. Let us not man up. Let us deny. Let us not look within, let us criticize those who criticize us. Very childish, churlish, and a gutless reaction. Yes, the US has tremendous problems and issues. But, I am not sure that is the point. Thailand had an essentially broken government for the past year or two. Something needed to be done. The US is so hung up on what it refers to as so called democracy, that it is unable to see the forest beyond the trees.

Spidermike

Chaiyaphum, Thailand

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[cardinalblue]

Broken gov the past two years? With 18 coups or whatever the # is since ww2 their gov has been broken since the facade of a constitutional monarch...

The people want to be told what to do so the military gov is a Perfect fit...many things need to

change before trying to have a democratic

process...

My favorite quote in 15 years is from a corruption survey...when 75% of those surveyed say corruption is ok as long I benefit from it...

I believe they need an ethics and integrity /values program first and lo and behold their school curriculum is saying the same thing...

Their society suffers from more serious issues than having a democratic system in place...

[Sealbash]

Tsunami in Thailand, USA is expected to and does give aid. Hurricane in New Orleans, what did Thailand give? Take the US money, but do not allow them any opinion?

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[connda]

Lots of Americans are unhappy with our Govt, I wouldnt take it personally if they dont like yours.

The US congress has an abysmal approval rating at 7% - BUT - explain to me why four years from now 90% (or more) of the incubates will still be in office. The US election system is corruption honed to a science. Corporations can legally sway the outcome of elections with massive political contributions. And there is no real difference between your donkeys and your elephants. They vote to appease they corporate sponsors. So why don't the US voters wake up, kick out the incubates, and vote in independents who would actually represent their views? I have my own opinions, but today I'm going to keep them to myself. Like my mum said, "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all." So, Mum's the word. Draw your own conclusions.

Other than that, comments from both sides are akin to the pot calling the kettle black, imho. Both countries are in desperate need for campaign and election reform. How about building a representative democracy based on morality (and I'm talking about all countries). Greed getting in the way? I wish I was more optimistic about humanity in general.

[iphad]

Tsunami in Thailand, USA is expected to and does give aid. Hurricane in New Orleans, what did Thailand give? Take the US money, but do not allow them any opinion?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

Thailand: Sent at least 60 doctors and nurses along with rice.

[Sealbash]

Tsunami in Thailand, USA is expected to and does give aid. Hurricane in New Orleans, what did Thailand give? Take the US money, but do not allow them any opinion?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

Thailand: Sent at least 60 doctors and nurses along with rice.

Thanks. I did not know that. But my point is that the majority of the world looks to the USA to help, even expects the USA to help, in times of crisis, whether caused by political unrest or by Mother Nature. Then the USA is criticized when it voices it's opinion. I just think that although the USA can be overbearing and arrogant at times, it still should be given credit for the assistance provided to other nations. It really seems to me that a lot of the USA bashing is done out of jealousy. Jealousy of the fact that the USA is in fact a super power both economically and militarily.

I am not American, nor do I have any desire to be. But I think credit should also be given where credit is due.

Russia takes Crimea. China is encroaching on disputed areas of the South China Sea. USA takes Puerto Rico. No difference, but I know which system I would prefer to live under.

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[iphad]

Tsunami in Thailand, USA is expected to and does give aid. Hurricane in New Orleans, what did Thailand give? Take the US money, but do not allow them any opinion?

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

Thailand: Sent at least 60 doctors and nurses along with rice.

Thanks. I did not know that. But my point is that the majority of the world looks to the USA to help, even expects the USA to help, in times of crisis, whether caused by political unrest or by Mother Nature. Then the USA is criticized when it voices it's opinion. I just think that although the USA can be overbearing and arrogant at times, it still should be given credit for the assistance provided to other nations. It really seems to me that a lot of the USA bashing is done out of jealousy. Jealousy of the fact that the USA is in fact a super power both economically and militarily.

I am not American, nor do I have any desire to be. But I think credit should also be given where credit is due.

Russia takes Crimea. China is encroaching on disputed areas of the South China Sea. USA takes Puerto Rico. No difference, but I know which system I would prefer to live under.

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I am not American..although I have been accused of US bashing I can say I am anti the people that control Washington...

I have never been anti American..I have lived in the states for roughly 10 years at different times...

I know American history,I follow US politics, I try to have an open mind & try to use facts...sometimes conjecture connecting what I perceive as dots

because it is not always possible to believe what is fact & what is propaganda.

I think I can ..(which is probably a wrong assumption.)..that anyone that is bashing the US...is not doing it out of jealousy...and not attacking the american people..

it's the government that needs attacking.

Yeah there are some Americans that are idiots..but that's in every country

I have many American friends so it's not like I don't want them in my life.

But I do disagree with you...

Ukraine was supported by the US to topple a democratically elected government..maybe not a good one...and then installed neo Nazis as it's puppet...to challenge Russia.

of course in the western media Russia is the bad guy..that they invaded Crimea..but really..Russia had their Black Sea fleet there & the US wanted it..so that was never going to happen.

Re. China...yeah we hate them too..but it's the US challenging China in the South China Sea.

Remember Iraq...?..the lies? that wasn't the only time the US has lied...ask the people living in central & south america how good the US treats them.

How many countries has the US had their democratically elected governments removed through violence,supporting the ruling rich elite to suppress their people * allow the big corporations in to take control.

Any aid given by the US usually has a price..don't kid yourself.

If that's the system you want to live under..that's your choice...

but then I live in Thailand..I don't want to move to the US,Russia or China

[iphad]

Tsunami in Thailand, USA is expected to and does give aid. Hurricane in New Orleans, what did Thailand give? Take the US money, but do not allow them any opinion?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

Thailand: Sent at least 60 doctors and nurses along with rice.

re.Hurricane Katrina

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0908-02.htm

A Canadian search-and-rescue team beat both the Army and the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the U.S. disaster response department, to St. Bernard Parish east of New Orleans, where flood waters are still 8 feet deep in places. ( not saying how good the Canadians are but how bad the US is about helping their own people )

as a side note> Cuba............. One of the first countries to offer aid, Cuba offered to send 1,586 doctors and 26 tons of medicine. This aid was rejected by the State Department.

China........... On September 2, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that it will offer $5 million along with emergency supplies, including 1,000 tents, 600 generators, bed sheets, immediately for disaster relief. China also offered to send medical care and rescue workers if they were needed. This aid package consisting of 104 tons of supplies later arrived in Little Rock, Arkansas.^..A chartered plane carrying the supplies arrived on September 7

[Sealbash]

Tsunami in Thailand, USA is expected to and does give aid. Hurricane in New Orleans, what did Thailand give? Take the US money, but do not allow them any opinion?

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

Thailand: Sent at least 60 doctors and nurses along with rice.

Thanks. I did not know that. But my point is that the majority of the world looks to the USA to help, even expects the USA to help, in times of crisis, whether caused by political unrest or by Mother Nature. Then the USA is criticized when it voices it's opinion. I just think that although the USA can be overbearing and arrogant at times, it still should be given credit for the assistance provided to other nations. It really seems to me that a lot of the USA bashing is done out of jealousy. Jealousy of the fact that the USA is in fact a super power both economically and militarily.

I am not American, nor do I have any desire to be. But I think credit should also be given where credit is due.

Russia takes Crimea. China is encroaching on disputed areas of the South China Sea. USA takes Puerto Rico. No difference, but I know which system I would prefer to live under.

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I am not American..although I have been accused of US bashing I can say I am anti the people that control Washington...

I have never been anti American..I have lived in the states for roughly 10 years at different times...

I know American history,I follow US politics, I try to have an open mind & try to use facts...sometimes conjecture connecting what I perceive as dots

because it is not always possible to believe what is fact & what is propaganda.

I think I can ..(which is probably a wrong assumption.)..that anyone that is bashing the US...is not doing it out of jealousy...and not attacking the american people..

it's the government that needs attacking.

Yeah there are some Americans that are idiots..but that's in every country

I have many American friends so it's not like I don't want them in my life.

But I do disagree with you...

Ukraine was supported by the US to topple a democratically elected government..maybe not a good one...and then installed neo Nazis as it's puppet...to challenge Russia.

of course in the western media Russia is the bad guy..that they invaded Crimea..but really..Russia had their Black Sea fleet there & the US wanted it..so that was never going to happen.

Re. China...yeah we hate them too..but it's the US challenging China in the South China Sea.

Remember Iraq...?..the lies? that wasn't the only time the US has lied...ask the people living in central & south america how good the US treats them.

How many countries has the US had their democratically elected governments removed through violence,supporting the ruling rich elite to suppress their people * allow the big corporations in to take control.

Any ts aid given by the US usually has a price..don't kid yourself.

If that's the system you want to live under..that's your choice...

but then I live in Thailand..I don't want to move to the US,Russia or China

I agree with the majority of your post. But I do not agree that the USA is solely at fault for the South China Sea or Ukraine. We can not expect them to be the champion of the free world as they did throughout the Cold War, then blame them for all conflicts once that role was no longer required.

The premise of this OP is that the USA has no right whatsoever to voice an opinion nor give advice to Thailand. Perhaps the experience of the USA with world events in every trouble spot has actually given them some insight ( although uniquely American) into the present situation in Thailand. Yes, the USA is a western country! And Thailand is Asian. But the US also has some of the worlds top intelligence gathering and analytical personnel monitoring the system. They are not ignorant.

If it had been Sweden making the same statements as the OP was upset about, probably nothing would be said. The fact that the USA made the statements resulted in this entire thread. Why? Because the USA is one of the most powerful nations on earth during our lifetime. I believe some people are jealous their nation has never had that status, and some people are resentful that their nation once had that status but no longer does.

Like working for a corporation. It was once explained to me working in a large corporation is like being in a tree full of monkeys. You look down, and all you see are smiling faces. You look up, and all you see are a**holes.

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[watcharacters]

Then why ever morning at the American Embassy their are long lines of people who want to come to this country. Answer that. We must be doing something right.

.

Sorry, but America never once did anything right.

Just ask TV.

[iphad]

Then why ever morning at the American Embassy their are long lines of people who want to come to this country. Answer that. We must be doing something right.

.

Sorry, but America never once did anything right.

Just ask TV.

The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.

[canuckamuck]

That was the year the Nobel Prize lost all all credibility. I believe there were some that wanted to give theirs back.

[Donnie Brasco]

Obama spent $1,000,000,000.00 Dollars (31,000,000,000 baht) on his re-election campaign. How does a man get that much money?

Big corporations have owned our politicians for decades, our Politicians are merely puppets to distract us and keep us from having to deal with the horrible truth.

6 companies own/control %90 of all Television/new/radio/cable networks owned by the ultra Rich. They are propaganda machines that set to keep people of average or lower intelligence from thinking about the important things. In America we have "the right to privacy", recently it was exposed that the National Security Agency has been recording every phone call made in the ENTIRE nation for years. The news stations were very careful in their thought control to keep people thinking about who to blame for this.... Not one station once mention demanded that they stop.... The average intelligence American gobbled it up like their favorite dinner.

American people dont like war but you know who does? The companies that manufacture weapons for our military donate unbelievable amounts of money to our politicians in order to make sure they stay in business. We are going trillions of dollars into debt because our Politicians are literally giving it away....

Not all American are riding their high horse....

Thailand is extremely lucky there's not enough oil to fight about.

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit. . . . "

[iphad]

There's' a consistent theme of argument by some posters that believe there is bashing against the US or as I have seen it called being............. anti American.

arguments are used like.............people are jealous of Americans

US is democratic,

US is correct to criticize small insignificant countries like Thailand because Thailand has never had any inventions or given anything to the world at large

US might not be perfect but it's better than Russia or China to live under

US must know better because they have the technology, & intelligence to know what's going on

US gives aid to other countries in need from disasters but no one helps the US

facts don't matter the US is right

two wrongs don't make a right

and many more

Many Americans believe their Governments lies...the biggest one is that ............. " Americans are Exceptional in the World"

They can invade countries,they can kill innocent people,they can torture people,they don't have to listen to the World Community,they don't have to give people their basic human rights.

These are not the American Ideals that the World once admired about America.

These are the Ideals of fanatics, neo cons & are the real anti Americans ....

they are the ones that control Washington.

Thailand has the right to criticize the US...especially when they affect Thailand and especially when the US is wrong.

[CMNightRider]

Then why ever morning at the American Embassy their are long lines of people who want to come to this country. Answer that. We must be doing something right.

.

Sorry, but America never once did anything right.

Just ask TV.

The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.

Obama is the most undeserving person to have ever been awarded the "Noble Peace Prize." Even intelligent liberals rolled their eyes on this one. Awarding Obama "Muslim of the Year," may have been more appropriate.

As far as the military coup in Thailand, that event should have been brought to the attention of the international community, along with some of the other loony things the Thai government does.

[daboyz1]

The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.

He was in office for roughly 30 days when he won the Nobel Peace Prize. I didn't realize winning an election met the criteria to win that prize. He probably had less foreign policy experince that any elected president in decades at the time. In fact he was elected to the Senate in 2005 and began running for president in 2007, so even his domestic policy experince was limited. However, he gives a great speech, and that's all that matters in American Politics.

Actually says more about the electorate than anything else.

[ClutchClark]

The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.

He was in office for roughly 30 days when he won the Nobel Peace Prize. I didn't realize winning an election met the criteria to win that prize. He probably had less foreign policy experince that any elected president in decades at the time. In fact he was elected to the Senate in 2005 and began running for president in 2007, so even his domestic policy experince was limited. However, he gives a great speech, and that's all that matters in American Politics.

Actually says more about the electorate than anything else.

As someone stated in a previous thread, This Peace Prize was not awarded so much for Obama but as a global celebration to the end of the bush regime. And before you even get started...no, I am no fan of obama.

As for your statement about the electorate--a majority of voters were ready for a changing of the guard after the failed policies of "yer either with us or agin' us" gwb/cheney and if you will recall the economic "depression" (according to VP hopeful Sarah Palin) that had just halved most working Americans retirement accounts.

Edited June 29, 2014 by ClutchClark

[Morch]

There's' a consistent theme of argument by some posters that believe there is bashing against the US or as I have seen it called being............. anti American.

arguments are used like.............people are jealous of Americans

US is democratic,

US is correct to criticize small insignificant countries like Thailand because Thailand has never had any inventions or given anything to the world at large

US might not be perfect but it's better than Russia or China to live under

US must know better because they have the technology, & intelligence to know what's going on

US gives aid to other countries in need from disasters but no one helps the US

facts don't matter the US is right

two wrongs don't make a right

and many more

Many Americans believe their Governments lies...the biggest one is that ............. " Americans are Exceptional in the World"

They can invade countries,they can kill innocent people,they can torture people,they don't have to listen to the World Community,they don't have to give people their basic human rights.

These are not the American Ideals that the World once admired about America.

These are the Ideals of fanatics, neo cons & are the real anti Americans ....

they are the ones that control Washington.

Thailand has the right to criticize the US...especially when they affect Thailand and especially when the US is wrong.

Thailand has the right to criticize the USA, the USA has the right to criticize Thailand.

Both countries can have misconceptions about the other.

The USA does not throw a tantrum when Thailand expresses criticism, Thailand is somewhat less open to the same.

The USA is not the superhero nation some people imagine it to be, or how it would like to be seen. Then again, the USA

is not a nation of arch-villains nor an "Evil Empire".

The USA does not always act according to its professed ideals, true enough. Then again, so do most other countries in

the world. Guess that matters of degree can be debated, but one thing to say for the USA is that at least they have some

notion of ideals, not sure how much that applicable to other super-powers or wannabee super-powers.

The all or nothing view is quite shallow. The USA ain't perfect, far from it.

Most people who support the USA are quite aware of the fact that some things about it are good, and some aren't.

But what I like about all this anti-USA/USA-bashing posts is that they are possible.

You can even post them within the USA.

[daboyz1]

The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.

He was in office for roughly 30 days when he won the Nobel Peace Prize. I didn't realize winning an election met the criteria to win that prize. He probably had less foreign policy experince that any elected president in decades at the time. In fact he was elected to the Senate in 2005 and began running for president in 2007, so even his domestic policy experince was limited. However, he gives a great speech, and that's all that matters in American Politics.

Actually says more about the electorate than anything else.

As someone stated in a previous thread, This Peace Prize was not awarded so much for Obama but as a global celebration to the end of the bush regime. And before you even get started...no, I am no fan of obama.

As for your statement about the electorate--a majority of voters were ready for a changing of the guard after the failed policies of "yer either with us or agin' us" gwb/cheney and if you will recall the economic "depression" (according to VP hopeful Sarah Palin) that had just halved most working Americans retirement accounts.

I'm no fan of either as well. There wasn't much to choose from in 2008. The wife of a former president (Clinton), a guy who had 0 experience doing anything really (Obama), or Mc Cain ( a decent guy in the 2000 elections who changed his spots in 2008 to pander to nuts on the right)

I guess the problem might be lack of choice.

[iphad]

The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.

He was in office for roughly 30 days when he won the Nobel Peace Prize. I didn't realize winning an election met the criteria to win that prize. He probably had less foreign policy experince that any elected president in decades at the time. In fact he was elected to the Senate in 2005 and began running for president in 2007, so even his domestic policy experince was limited. However, he gives a great speech, and that's all that matters in American Politics.

Actually says more about the electorate than anything else.

As someone stated in a previous thread, This Peace Prize was not awarded so much for Obama but as a global celebration to the end of the bush regime. And before you even get started...no, I am no fan of obama.

As for your statement about the electorate--a majority of voters were ready for a changing of the guard after the failed policies of "yer either with us or agin' us" gwb/cheney and if you will recall the economic "depression" (according to VP hopeful Sarah Palin) that had just halved most working Americans retirement accounts.

actually my fault bringing Obama into the post ..I think CMNightRider was being sarcastic in his post that according to TV the US does nothing right...I was being satirical back lol

but now looking back at Obama's Nobel Peace Prize it is kinda funny!

[ClutchClark]

The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.

He was in office for roughly 30 days when he won the Nobel Peace Prize. I didn't realize winning an election met the criteria to win that prize. He probably had less foreign policy experince that any elected president in decades at the time. In fact he was elected to the Senate in 2005 and began running for president in 2007, so even his domestic policy experince was limited. However, he gives a great speech, and that's all that matters in American Politics.

Actually says more about the electorate than anything else.

As someone stated in a previous thread, This Peace Prize was not awarded so much for Obama but as a global celebration to the end of the bush regime. And before you even get started...no, I am no fan of obama.

As for your statement about the electorate--a majority of voters were ready for a changing of the guard after the failed policies of "yer either with us or agin' us" gwb/cheney and if you will recall the economic "depression" (according to VP hopeful Sarah Palin) that had just halved most working Americans retirement accounts.

I'm no fan of either as well. There wasn't much to choose from in 2008. The wife of a former president (Clinton), a guy who had 0 experience doing anything really (Obama), or Mc Cain ( a decent guy in the 2000 elections who changed his spots in 2008 to pander to nuts on the right)

I guess the problem might be lack of choice.

I agree 100% on McCain and his change from Maverick to panderer of right wing agenda was a reflection of just how far the right had swung in those bush years.

I was glad to see so much support for an Independent like Ron Paul in 2012. He had a large segment of young voters who are not satisfied with the politics they have been handed. I fear the corporate interests are to entrenched today to ever allow real change but time will tell.