EC dismisses charge of power abuse against Yingluck

[fab4]

fab4 post # 56

Some seem to have misunderstood (not for the first time) that a warning by a government body charged with keeping the peace, of possible violence occurring as a result of a Court ruling that could be perceived by some as a controversial decision, is to be expected, and is not a threat, as you are implying.

The CAPO would no doubt have warned of a possible backlash of violence from the peaceful pdrc supporters over this decision or any others that they perceived as controversial.

Much as you and others on here like to portray it, violence is not confined to some supporters of the former government.

Now let us rewrite the comment not using Shinwatra and Amsterdam speak.

Some seem to have misunderstood (not for the first time) that an order by a government body charged with keeping the Messiah Shinwatra and its family in power being ignored that possible violence would occurr as a result of that court ruling that would be perceived as going against their views thus the reaction to any such verdict is to be expected nay was ordered to lead to violence and the perversion of justice and thus it was not a threat but a promise..

The CAPO would and in fact did and no doubt had ordered a backlash of violence against the anti government supporters over any anti Messiah Shinwatra decision or any other decisions that they perceived as controversial and going against the Messiah Shinwatra's wishes.

Much as you fab4 and the greater majority of other Shinwatra apostles on here like to portray it, violence was the tool of the supporters of the former puppet government.

Your entire post is just devoid of intelligent thought.

For example

"The CAPO would and in fact did and no doubt had ordered a backlash of violence against the anti government supporters over any anti Messiah Shinwatra decision or any other decisions that they perceived as controversial and going against the Messiah Shinwatra's wishes."

Do you have even the slightest piece of evidence to back up your bombastic prose and tenuous grip on the truth?

Just plain partisan idiotic accusations.

[Ron19]

No the reason for the coup was that the yellows are unelectable so once again they hit the streets and force the army to stage a coup.

If you take the word of the peoples medium they have plotted this since 2010.

Anyway Thailand is where it is and the next elections will prove once again who the people really want!

No the coups were to stop the country from decending into a civil war to satisfy the greed and ambition of a convicted criminal and his paid mercenaries and judging by the popularity and lack of opposition that is what the majority of the Thai preople want.

But Suthep hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

[Nickymaster]

Oh boy, another poster who's still not ready for reconciliation

You cannot have reconciliation when ONE SIDE IS SILENCED and cannot even say what they feel right now else they will be arrested so you can only say positive things and if you really think everyone is HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY you are delusionally wrong.

You cannot have reconciliation when one side tries to push through a blanket amnesty bill just to please big brother. That one side keeps on talking about the yellows whenever they feel obstructed in doing what they want.

Mnid you the other side tends to be not that much different, not really

To be factually correct, the bill also include pardon for Suthep and Ahbisit. Only a bill as it yet to go through the upper house to become law and was rightfully squashed by majority of the senators.

To be more correct,

Abhisit and Suthep already said they didn't support the bill and didn't want to be pardoned for anything. (From the day the Shins started talking about pardoning politicians for their crimes)

[Baerboxer]

You cannot have reconciliation when ONE SIDE IS SILENCED and cannot even say what they feel right now else they will be arrested so you can only say positive things and if you really think everyone is HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY you are delusionally wrong.

You cannot have reconciliation when one side tries to push through a blanket amnesty bill just to please big brother. That one side keeps on talking about the yellows whenever they feel obstructed in doing what they want.

Mnid you the other side tends to be not that much different, not really

To be factually correct, the bill also include pardon for Suthep and Ahbisit. Only a bill as it yet to go through the upper house to become law and was rightfully squashed by majority of the senators.

To be factually correct the bill had not been squashed. Had PTP remained in power they could have introduced it into law when it was returned to the house after the required number of days without further reference to the senate. Other versions of the bill were squashed but not the one that favored Thaksin.

The bill would have granted amnesty to around 25.5k cases according to the NACC. And, funnily enough PTP wanted it to cover all their time in office too.

Understandable why so many people from all facets of society took to the streets to protest against such an amazing get out bill.

[Nickymaster]

I never see in positives when a democratically elected government is thrown out because the yellows are unelectable and according to sutep he conspired with you know who since 2010 to do just that.

Crooked politicians should be dealt with by the courts not coups!

I think we all know what's going to happen.A few yellows will get their reward and cling on to the next election then they will be tossed out on their ear.

I know a lot on here don't agree with me but that's just the way it is because the even if yingluck goes all it will take is anyone with a Shinawatra name to run because the people who voted feel disenfranchised .

Anyway........

You have no idea what is going to happen. You haven't been around long enough to understand how things are done here. I believe you are repeating something that you hear from somebody very close to you. Hence your name: parrot.

[Nickymaster]

Oh boy, another poster who's still not ready for reconciliation

You cannot have reconciliation when ONE SIDE IS SILENCED and cannot even say what they feel right now else they will be arrested so you can only say positive things and if you really think everyone is HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY you are delusionally wrong.

You cannot have reconciliation when one side tries to push through a blanket amnesty bill just to please big brother. That one side keeps on talking about the yellows whenever they feel obstructed in doing what they want.

Mnid you the other side tends to be not that much different, not really

To be factually correct, the bill also include pardon for Suthep and Ahbisit. Only a bill as it yet to go through the upper house to become law and was rightfully squashed by majority of the senators.

According to Thaksin, he and his people (we) withdrew the bill.

But he signalled he did not expect the law to be passed in the face of the protests, saying that when the confusion is there, the people dont accept it, so we just withdraw it.

Thaksin called it confusion but in fact he should have said: when the true intentions of the bill became clear...

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/99e57108-482f-11e3-88be-00144feabdc0.html

Edited June 27, 2014 by Nickymaster

[Baerboxer]

fab4 post # 56

Some seem to have misunderstood (not for the first time) that a warning by a government body charged with keeping the peace, of possible violence occurring as a result of a Court ruling that could be perceived by some as a controversial decision, is to be expected, and is not a threat, as you are implying.

The CAPO would no doubt have warned of a possible backlash of violence from the peaceful pdrc supporters over this decision or any others that they perceived as controversial.

Much as you and others on here like to portray it, violence is not confined to some supporters of the former government.

Now let us rewrite the comment not using Shinwatra and Amsterdam speak.

Some seem to have misunderstood (not for the first time) that an order by a government body charged with keeping the Messiah Shinwatra and its family in power being ignored that possible violence would occurr as a result of that court ruling that would be perceived as going against their views thus the reaction to any such verdict is to be expected nay was ordered to lead to violence and the perversion of justice and thus it was not a threat but a promise..

The CAPO would and in fact did and no doubt had ordered a backlash of violence against the anti government supporters over any anti Messiah Shinwatra decision or any other decisions that they perceived as controversial and going against the Messiah Shinwatra's wishes.

Much as you fab4 and the greater majority of other Shinwatra apostles on here like to portray it, violence was the tool of the supporters of the former puppet government.

Your entire post is just devoid of intelligent thought.

For example

"The CAPO would and in fact did and no doubt had ordered a backlash of violence against the anti government supporters over any anti Messiah Shinwatra decision or any other decisions that they perceived as controversial and going against the Messiah Shinwatra's wishes."

Do you have even the slightest piece of evidence to back up your bombastic prose and tenuous grip on the truth?

Just plain partisan idiotic accusations.

We shall see what proof emerges in the ensuing months, now that arrests are being made.

Strange that CAPO and the police under their control couldn't manage to arrest and charge one single person for any attack and murder carried out against the protesters and innocents. Strange how CAPO could predict these attacks yet do nothing to prevent them or catch the culprits.Strange how even the woman caught driving the gunmen's car and the off duty police motorbike shooter couldn't seem to be prosecuted. Of course, CAPO did promise to protect the few pro government supporters who turned up to Jatuporn's war drum meetings.

As you say, without proof, all circumstantial and coincidental Be patient. Lots maybe deciding to spill the beans now they've been arrested.

[Thaddeus]

You cannot have reconciliation when ONE SIDE IS SILENCED and cannot even say what they feel right now else they will be arrested so you can only say positive things and if you really think everyone is HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY you are delusionally wrong.

You cannot have reconciliation when one side tries to push through a blanket amnesty bill just to please big brother. That one side keeps on talking about the yellows whenever they feel obstructed in doing what they want.

Mnid you the other side tends to be not that much different, not really

To be factually correct, the bill also include pardon for Suthep and Ahbisit. Only a bill as it yet to go through the upper house to become law and was rightfully squashed by majority of the senators.

To be factually correct the bill had not been squashed. Had PTP remained in power they could have introduced it into law when it was returned to the house after the required number of days without further reference to the senate. Other versions of the bill were squashed but not the one that favored Thaksin.

The bill would have granted amnesty to around 25.5k cases according to the NACC. And, funnily enough PTP wanted it to cover all their time in office too.

Understandable why so many people from all facets of society took to the streets to protest against such an amazing get out bill.

Purely shelved for 180 days.

And in my opinion the primary reason why PTP were demanding a swift election, one that they would have undoubtedly won, then just sat on their hands until the time came when that bill could be passed without any resistance.

Back fired a bit didn't it.

[doctorproc156]

Of course she is innocent. She always has been. So take this one and put it where the sun doesn't shine.

Dismissing allegations does not prove innocence. Lack of evidence does not prove innocence.

Besides, there's many more allegations and charges she is to face in courts of law.

At the moment, to many people, the sun does shine out of General's ..... so where do they put your statement? Straight back into yours, I'd guess.

Sour grapes

[fasteddie]

NOTICE TO ALL YELLOWS

Please refrain from getting in a tizz, a flap, throwing tantrums or spitting your dummies. Do not sulk or pout.

I think the message the Junta has issued is to get over your petty and immature partisanship and start thinking about a new political Paradigm.

Cheers and good luck to Thailand.

Who cares what messages the junta have issued? They are illegal, in breach of Thai and international law and compliance with their orders is surely illegal in itself.

[scorecard]

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bigbamboo, on 26 Jun 2014 - 21:15, said:

Thai at Heart, on 26 Jun 2014 - 20:56, said:

Well a deal is a deal I guess.

You let the coup ho smoothly and we won't lock you up. I love Thai politics. 3 months ago she was guilty of everything including stealing Xmas.

Give it a few more months and she will be completely absolved of everything except the tiniest technicality that will keep her out of parliament.

One of the reasons Thaksin was only charged with one offence from his charge sheet was that it was clear cut and a conclusion could be reached in a reasonable time frame. Thai courts being what they are there is no point in prosecuting unless your case is absolutely watertight.

Not quite true.

It's been said many times there is enormous evidence in many of the cases which are now on hold. He fled (broke his promise to return to Thailand) because he knew there was a good chance he was about to be found guilty in the abuse of power case and punished.

In regard to the remaining charges the court cannot proceed until he appears in court to plea.

Edited June 27, 2014 by scorecard

[fab4]

We shall see what proof emerges in the ensuing months, now that arrests are being made.

Strange that CAPO and the police under their control couldn't manage to arrest and charge one single person for any attack and murder carried out against the protesters and innocents. Strange how CAPO could predict these attacks yet do nothing to prevent them or catch the culprits.Strange how even the woman caught driving the gunmen's car and the off duty police motorbike shooter couldn't seem to be prosecuted. Of course, CAPO did promise to protect the few pro government supporters who turned up to Jatuporn's war drum meetings.

As you say, without proof, all circumstantial and coincidental Be patient. Lots maybe deciding to spill the beans now they've been arrested.

Oh don't be ridiculous. I don't care what you think about the politics of the previous government how can you possibly support the nonsensical assertion that CAPO would "order" violence against anti government supporters in the event of seemingly unjust rulings by the courts.

[Nickymaster]

We shall see what proof emerges in the ensuing months, now that arrests are being made.

Strange that CAPO and the police under their control couldn't manage to arrest and charge one single person for any attack and murder carried out against the protesters and innocents. Strange how CAPO could predict these attacks yet do nothing to prevent them or catch the culprits.Strange how even the woman caught driving the gunmen's car and the off duty police motorbike shooter couldn't seem to be prosecuted. Of course, CAPO did promise to protect the few pro government supporters who turned up to Jatuporn's war drum meetings.

As you say, without proof, all circumstantial and coincidental Be patient. Lots maybe deciding to spill the beans now they've been arrested.

Oh don't be ridiculous. I don't care what you think about the politics of the previous government how can you possibly support the nonsensical assertion that CAPO would "order" violence against anti government supporters in the event of seemingly unjust rulings by the courts.

This can easily be seen as ordering violence by the CAPO head. Not by security forces but through their red army...

Chalerm warns of possible bloodshed if…

But somehow there were attempts to unseat the entire cabinet. As such, there will be bloodshed and the NACC and the Constitutional Court will realize that there is hell on earth,” said Chalerm.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/chalerm-warns-possible-bloodshed/

And a few more warnings from the former CAPO head

http://www.veooz.com/news/8H2W1Ed.html

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Chalerm-warns-of-violent-protest-if-polls-not-call-30141218.html

http://www.thaitribune.org/en/breaking-news/1535-capo-warning-to-court-and-nacc.html

Edited June 27, 2014 by Nickymaster

[Mr Yim]

.... The EC has no power other than to investigate election fraud ...

Wasn't election fraud not the main reason for the military takeover?!

The reason for the coup was to remove Thaksin and Co. from power and eventually remove his/their influence in politics.

That would suggest that the coup was planned, which it wasnt, the junta said so. The Coup happened on the spur of the moment to stop the violence. The fact that the banks coughed up the money for the rice payments the next day and various people were ready to take up positions in the admin was just a coincidence.

[fab4]

This can easily be seen as ordering violence by the CAPO head. Not by security forces but through their red army...

Chalerm warns of possible bloodshed if…

But somehow there were attempts to unseat the entire cabinet. As such, there will be bloodshed and the NACC and the Constitutional Court will realize that there is hell on earth,” said Chalerm.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/chalerm-warns-possible-bloodshed/

I presume that you deliberately cherrypicked from the "article" and omitted this;

Chalerm Yubamrung warned today (Monday) that there might be bloodshed if the Constitutional Court ruled caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra guilty and decided to have the entire cabinet rendered dysfunctional.

But if you want to believe that the "quote" is a call to arms by CAPO, there is no amount of intelligent argument that will make you change your mind, so as far as I'm concerned this diversion from the OP ends here.

[Thai at Heart]

Well a deal is a deal I guess.

You let the coup ho smoothly and we won't lock you up. I love Thai politics. 3 months ago she was guilty of everything including stealing Xmas.

Give it a few more months and she will be completely absolved of everything except the tiniest technicality that will keep her out of parliament.

One of the reasons Thaksin was only charged with one offence from his charge sheet was that it was clear cut and a conclusion could be reached in a reasonable time frame. Thai courts being what they are there is no point in prosecuting unless your case is absolutely watertight.

Well so far, she's not guilty as is her cabinet. So what heresy were they actually commiting?

[Wombat6]

No the reason for the coup was that the yellows are unelectable so once again they hit the streets and force the army to stage a coup.

If you take the word of the peoples medium they have plotted this since 2010.

Anyway Thailand is where it is and the next elections will prove once again who the people really want!

You may be suprised at the next Election. Thaksins Village Fund Scheme will have been dismantled, so 70,000 villages will now get to have a vote according to their own wishes and not a compulsory one as under your beloved Reds.

[benny1616]

EC secretary-general Puchong Nutrawong said Thursday that the EC did not find any clear evidences to prove that Ms Yingluck and supporters of the charter amendments had abused their authority as alleged.

This is the most idiotic white lie I have ever heard from the Election Collection committee :-D

looks like you :-D

[doctorproc156]

No the reason for the coup was that the yellows are unelectable so once again they hit the streets and force the army to stage a coup.

If you take the word of the peoples medium they have plotted this since 2010.

Anyway Thailand is where it is and the next elections will prove once again who the people really want!

You may be suprised at the next Election. Thaksins Village Fund Scheme will have been dismantled, so 70,000 villages will now get to have a vote according to their own wishes and not a compulsory one as under your beloved Reds.

Again and again with this non-sense. It has been proven quite clearly that people do not vote based on who gives them more money. And the army is in no way doing itself any favors by silencing people outright. The democrats are going to lose harder than they ever have in the past in the next elections.

[wilcopops]

It's a pity the brainwashed only accept the nations bias articles!

They did trot out a few articles that gave me hope by obviously there's been a tap on the shoulder and it's all good news for Thailand and the rest of the world is wrong!

Paying people $15 to give people up or getting arrested for reading a book in a park speaks for itself.

A lot yellow supporters shouted that yingluck would flee but she's still here and handling the pressure with dignity and grace.

Can you imagine the outcry if she's found not guilty .

As for the reconciliation statement don't think everyone's on board because the nation says so.

Some people don't just roll over that easy and I'm not talking violence I talking both red and yellow and the respect my vote people.

We will see next election how right or wrong I am.

You don't see any positives and improvements since Yingluck can't mess with this country anymore?

well the baht's starting to slide......that'll be good for retirees..........as a wage earner I'm not so impressed.

[wilcopops]

No the reason for the coup was that the yellows are unelectable so once again they hit the streets and force the army to stage a coup.

If you take the word of the peoples medium they have plotted this since 2010.

Anyway Thailand is where it is and the next elections will prove once again who the people really want!

You may be suprised at the next Election. Thaksins Village Fund Scheme will have been dismantled, so 70,000 villages will now get to have a vote according to their own wishes and not a compulsory one as under your beloved Reds.

I think the problem is that the Army now have to set up an election that doesn't seem biased to either side.....which I would humbly submit is impossible.

[wilcopops]

Many posters seem to have the impression that vote-rigging/buying only takes place in the North.........I really do wonder how they come by that idea.

[thesetat2013]

This can easily be seen as ordering violence by the CAPO head. Not by security forces but through their red army...

Chalerm warns of possible bloodshed if…

But somehow there were attempts to unseat the entire cabinet. As such, there will be bloodshed and the NACC and the Constitutional Court will realize that there is hell on earth,” said Chalerm.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/chalerm-warns-possible-bloodshed/

I presume that you deliberately cherrypicked from the "article" and omitted this;

Chalerm Yubamrung warned today (Monday) that there might be bloodshed if the Constitutional Court ruled caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra guilty and decided to have the entire cabinet rendered dysfunctional.

But if you want to believe that the "quote" is a call to arms by CAPO, there is no amount of intelligent argument that will make you change your mind, so as far as I'm concerned this diversion from the OP ends here.

Actually fab when he used the word IF in context that was a threat. ..... see my point

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[tingtongteesood]

This can easily be seen as ordering violence by the CAPO head. Not by security forces but through their red army...

Chalerm warns of possible bloodshed if…

But somehow there were attempts to unseat the entire cabinet. As such, there will be bloodshed and the NACC and the Constitutional Court will realize that there is hell on earth,” said Chalerm.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/chalerm-warns-possible-bloodshed/

I presume that you deliberately cherrypicked from the "article" and omitted this;

Chalerm Yubamrung warned today (Monday) that there might be bloodshed if the Constitutional Court ruled caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra guilty and decided to have the entire cabinet rendered dysfunctional.

But if you want to believe that the "quote" is a call to arms by CAPO, there is no amount of intelligent argument that will make you change your mind, so as far as I'm concerned this diversion from the OP ends here.

Keep spinning Fabbie, but it is pretty clear from what the old drunk said. Pretty cut and dried.

If the court dares to rule against PTP then ''there will be bloodshed and the NACC and the Constitutional Court will realize that there is hell on earth,”

Try spinning it as many ways as you like, you can't deny he kept giving out warnings that there would be violence if PTP did not get their way.....

- pretty clear to me.

You are one of those people who says ''since you can't prove that god doesn't exist, he must exist'' ? Seems you always use that sort of lack of logic.....

Edited June 27, 2014 by CharlieH

[Fat Haggis]

It's a pity the brainwashed only accept the nations bias articles!

They did trot out a few articles that gave me hope by obviously there's been a tap on the shoulder and it's all good news for Thailand and the rest of the world is wrong!

Paying people $15 to give people up or getting arrested for reading a book in a park speaks for itself.

A lot yellow supporters shouted that yingluck would flee but she's still here and handling the pressure with dignity and grace.

Can you imagine the outcry if she's found not guilty .

As for the reconciliation statement don't think everyone's on board because the nation says so.

Some people don't just roll over that easy and I'm not talking violence I talking both red and yellow and the respect my vote people.

We will see next election how right or wrong I am.

You don't see any positives and improvements since Yingluck can't mess with this country anymore?

well the baht's starting to slide......that'll be good for retirees..........as a wage earner I'm not so impressed.

What utter nonsense, the baht has remained around 32-33 against the US dollar for the past couple of months, slide nothing,where do you base that assessment from? It peaked at 32.8 at one stage last week, but this week has seen it remain steady.

[NanLaew]

... Thai courts being what they are there is no point in prosecuting unless your case is absolutely watertight.

What sort of case is that? The large one full of money for the judge?

[Crushdepth]

Of course she is innocent. She always has been. So take this one and put it where the sun doesn't shine.

Keep on cheer leading, your team is going down the tube for corruption regardless.

[Crushdepth]

No the reason for the coup was that the yellows are unelectable so once again they hit the streets and force the army to stage a coup.

If you take the word of the peoples medium they have plotted this since 2010.

Anyway Thailand is where it is and the next elections will prove once again who the people really want!

You may be suprised at the next Election. Thaksins Village Fund Scheme will have been dismantled, so 70,000 villages will now get to have a vote according to their own wishes and not a compulsory one as under your beloved Reds.

Again and again with this non-sense. It has been proven quite clearly that people do not vote based on who gives them more money. And the army is in no way doing itself any favors by silencing people outright. The democrats are going to lose harder than they ever have in the past in the next elections.

If vote buying didn't influence voting behaviour politicians wouldn't do it. And you would appear to be rather ignorant of this little cultural thing called patronage.

Sent from somewhere in the Pacific

[leggo]

Some people have short memories, some want to forget, some know nothing and think they know everything and some think it's better to let sleeping dogs lie - I hope they're right!

[The stuttering parrot]

Nickymaster do you mean when I haven't been around long enough in posts or years?

Edited June 27, 2014 by The stuttering parrot