If You Are Deported After Being Refused - Can You Choose Where To Go?

[Pattszero]

I'm just being nosy - lets say you fly direct to Thailand from the UK and you are refused entry - are you automatically deported via the carrier that brought you, back to the UK? Or can you buy a ticket to somewhere else in Asia?

[bkkjames]

If you are not allowed in, how can you be deported?

[VocalNeal]

Hmm? Interesting! Are there any ticket counters on the "other side" of immigration?

[Spoonman]

If you are not allowed in, how can you be deported?

Exactly.

but to answer the OP the carrier that flew you here is liable to return you from where you came.

[MrWorldwide]

If you are not allowed in, how can you be deported?

Exactly.

but to answer the OP the carrier that flew you here is liable to return you from where you came.

That's my understanding hence the reports of people not being allowed onto an aircraft without a return flight. Not sure how that works when your return flight was supposed to be 14+ days from the date of arrival, but that's the airlines problem.

[harrry]

All carriers that you initially came on are responsible for returning you however they can recover the costs from you. This usually means they just use your return ticket but if you do not have one they have to carry you but can sue you for the fare.

[bkkjames]

If you are not allowed in, how can you be deported?

Exactly.

but to answer the OP the carrier that flew you here is liable to return you from where you came.

That's my understanding hence the reports of people not being allowed onto an aircraft without a return flight. Not sure how that works when your return flight was supposed to be 14+ days from the date of arrival, but that's the airlines problem.

I could never figure out why it should the airlines problem if you are arriving on a visa exempt status for example? How are they to check if you will be denied entry - they usually ask to see if you have a visa (if required) / onward booking..

[Pattszero]

If you are not allowed in, how can you be deported?

Okay - you're a pedant - I get it.

[Pattszero]

I noticed on another thread a guy worrying about arriving Aug 13th - and he had a years overstay in the past. Would there be some sense in flying to KL and then transferring to Thailand? that way if you get knocked back you have the option of returning on a short haul to KL and going somewhere else in the vicinity.

[bkkjames]

If you are not allowed in, how can you be deported?

Okay - you're a pedant - I get it.

haha yea I thought the same after I wrote it - sorry.

[neverdie]

If you are not allowed in, how can you be deported?

Okay - you're a pedant - I get it.

haha yea I thought the same after I wrote it - sorry.

I thought it before you wrote it

[alant]

Hmm? Interesting! Are there any ticket counters on the "other side" of immigration?

I have bought a ticket in an airline lounge air side.

[Suradit69]

If you are not allowed in, how can you be deported?

Exactly.

but to answer the OP the carrier that flew you here is liable to return you from where you came.

That's my understanding hence the reports of people not being allowed onto an aircraft without a return flight. Not sure how that works when your return flight was supposed to be 14+ days from the date of arrival, but that's the airlines problem.

I could never figure out why it should the airlines problem if you are arriving on a visa exempt status for example? How are they to check if you will be denied entry - they usually ask to see if you have a visa (if required) / onward booking..

Because they ought to check that you already have paid for a flight out if you don't have a proper visa. If you have to sit in the departure lounge for a few hours or days until a seat is available, that's your problem, but the airline won't be out any money since you've paid for the flight. Of course, if your exit ticket is on a different airline or to a destination different place from where you originated, it becomes the next airline's problem since they too should have checked to see if you paid for an exit flight from your next port of call.

In theory airlines have done this for people without a proper visa, but they could choose to start insisting that you buy a return ticket unless you have a long stay visa or a valid extension that allows for a long-stay. If it starts costing them money, they'll see the value in being cautious.

[Suradit69]

If you are not allowed in, how can you be deported?

Okay - you're a pedant - I get it.

Well, to be fair, in another thread someone regaled us with a tale of someone who was denied entry from Malaysia and who, according to the poster, was given 7 days to leave Thailand. In that case he never touched Thai soil, supposedly, so it's hard to see how he could be given 7 days to exit.

Anyway once you're in the airport, you are in Thailand. You're confined to certain areas of the airport or put in detention, but there's nothing magical about where you are ... it would still be in Thailand, subject to the laws of Thailand and open to arrest by Thai authorities ... so, unlike the guy who was allegedly not permitted to cross the border into Thailand, you would be expelled or deported from Thailand in this example.

Even if you're sitting in an airplane on the tarmac before or after clearing Immigrations, Thai officials can remove you, arrest you or whatever. It is Thailand, not some mystical place where no laws or rules apply to you.

Edited July 9, 2014 by Suradit69

[Nemesis7]

Well yes you, provided you have no luggage to claim and buy a ticket for any destination out of Bangkok airport say after 4 hours of your arrival, so that way if you are denied entry can go to transfer desk to get to the next destination. But if you are taken inside the immigration and held there as deportee then you Will be escorted by thai immigration authority, they will take your passport and put it on a brown sealed envelope and give it to the captain of the flight and make you seat inside the aircraft and send you back from where you came from.

[bkkjames]

Because they ought to check that you already have paid for a flight out if you don't have a proper visa. If you have to sit in the departure lounge for a few hours or days until a seat is available, that's your problem, but the airline won't be out any money since you've paid for the flight. Of course, if your exit ticket is on a different airline or to a destination different place from where you originated, it becomes the next airline's problem since they too should have checked to see if you paid for an exit flight from your next port of call.

In theory airlines have done this for people without a proper visa, but they could choose to start insisting that you buy a return ticket unless you have a long stay visa or a valid extension that allows for a long-stay. If it starts costing them money, they'll see the value in being cautious.

But this was what I mentioned - assuming you have a return ticket and get the usual 30 day on arrival (you didn't apply for a Visa cause it wasn't required) but someone at immigration denies you entrance for whatever reason - why is it the airline's responsibility in this scenario? I guess the traveller would be asked to change his return date with his airline but in the meantime, he is Tom Hanks?

[kovaltech]

you can purchase a ticket online, show that to the immigration officer (if needed)

then you'll walk to the gate ... (for your flight out )

before passing the immigration, you are still in "transit" land ;-)

Edited July 9, 2014 by kovaltech

[MobileContent]

This are my 2 cents.

Lets say the guy as an example from the UK had a problem in Thailand before such as an overstay or some other legal issues so he/she should be smart enough to apply for a visa and have a return ticket or at least an onwards ticket to another destination after Thailand.

Normally no one gets refused entry in general and only visa on arrival might be more scrutinized.

A few years ago, I booked a one way ticket from Berlin to Bangkok and was asked by LH to book a return or show that I have a valid visa. I booked a flight from Bkk to KL via LH and I showed the immigration official the onward ticket. He wasn't really interested but the airline was.

Edited July 9, 2014 by MobileContent

[AlexDorneles]

Sometime ago that Russia lady was in the news here on Thaivisa. She was refused entry at the Phuket airport and chose to fly to Kuala Lumpur. I am sure immigration will let you book your flight out to anywhere you want, of course at your expense.

[lazygourmet]

Facts:

Last April I have been denied entrance at Suvarnabhumi on suspicion of doing illegal business.

While waiting for a clearance from immigration head office -it was 6 am- I had plenty of time to ask around what will happen if I cannot pass through the border.

Answering to OP:

You can go to any country you want ; but if you do not have a ticket or cannnot reschedule your flight, only Thai Airways will be able to sell you an outbound ticket -at a cost!- because other airlines have their counters outside the gates (ie: for a one-way to KL their quote was USD 350)

As well, you will be locked in a mini IDC, managed by Chubb at the cost of four hundred baht/day, either waiting for your flight, waiting for some money tranfer (only Western Union) or someone sending you an outbound ticket.

[uptoyoumyfriend]

i was however able to get to the check in counters in bkk after i cleared customs and stamped out in chiang mai,i just asked and a customs officer accompanied me out of the international section to the check in's and back in.no security check either on that one. i had a ticket for a friend waiting there and there was no other/easier way than that i went out there to give it to him.it was quite easy actually.my friend came from the us and we went to vietnam together.

so i think if you'd ask nicely something could be done that's not standard procedure.

Edited July 9, 2014 by uptoyoumyfriend

[Pattszero]

Sometime ago that Russia lady was in the news here on Thaivisa. She was refused entry at the Phuket airport and chose to fly to Kuala Lumpur. I am sure immigration will let you book your flight out to anywhere you want, of course at your expense.

In the case of the Russian lady, she had also flown in from KL - maybe she had no choice but to return there?

@Lazygourmet - very interesting.

[lazygourmet]

Sometime ago that Russia lady was in the news here on Thaivisa. She was refused entry at the Phuket airport and chose to fly to Kuala Lumpur. I am sure immigration will let you book your flight out to anywhere you want, of course at your expense.

In the case of the Russian lady, she had also flown in from KL - maybe she had no choice but to return there?

@Lazygourmet - very interesting.

Here is how look like a denied entry stamp:

"Cancelled" and reason why -written in Thai- have been added after clearance...

[Tomtomtom69]

Sometime ago that Russia lady was in the news here on Thaivisa. She was refused entry at the Phuket airport and chose to fly to Kuala Lumpur. I am sure immigration will let you book your flight out to anywhere you want, of course at your expense.

Correct. Although it just so happens she had just arrived from Kuala Lumpur, although she had to purchase a new one way sector as her original ticket ended in Phuket.

[Tomtomtom69]

Facts:

Last April I have been denied entrance at Suvarnabhumi on suspicion of doing illegal business.

While waiting for a clearance from immigration head office -it was 6 am- I had plenty of time to ask around what will happen if I cannot pass through the border.

Answering to OP:

You can go to any country you want ; but if you do not have a ticket or cannnot reschedule your flight, only Thai Airways will be able to sell you an outbound ticket -at a cost!- because other airlines have their counters outside the gates (ie: for a one-way to KL their quote was USD 350)

As well, you will be locked in a mini IDC, managed by Chubb at the cost of four hundred baht/day, either waiting for your flight, waiting for some money tranfer (only Western Union) or someone sending you an outbound ticket.

Would it be too much to ask how the officials suspected you of doing "illegal business"? Were you ultimately allowed entry?

Edited July 9, 2014 by Tomtomtom69

[fauxie]

I noticed on another thread a guy worrying about arriving Aug 13th - and he had a years overstay in the past. Would there be some sense in flying to KL and then transferring to Thailand? that way if you get knocked back you have the option of returning on a short haul to KL and going somewhere else in the vicinity.

Or go over land, which would allow you to be rejected and just go back to Malaysia right away and make arrangements. I hadn't though of this when booking my ticket, but then of course this situation didn't come to being until after I'd already done that. From what I'm reading on here, I should be fine. However, as it's always been with overstays, it is all at their discretion when you get to passport control. They always did have the right to turn you away as it was.

[lazygourmet]

Facts:

Last April I have been denied entrance at Suvarnabhumi on suspicion of doing illegal business.

While waiting for a clearance from immigration head office -it was 6 am- I had plenty of time to ask around what will happen if I cannot pass through the border.

Answering to OP:

You can go to any country you want ; but if you do not have a ticket or cannnot reschedule your flight, only Thai Airways will be able to sell you an outbound ticket -at a cost!- because other airlines have their counters outside the gates (ie: for a one-way to KL their quote was USD 350)

As well, you will be locked in a mini IDC, managed by Chubb at the cost of four hundred baht/day, either waiting for your flight, waiting for some money tranfer (only Western Union) or someone sending you an outbound ticket.

Would it be too much to ask how the officials suspected you of doing "illegal business"? Were you ultimately allowed entry?

Because -except for a few tourist visas- I only have an accumulation of visa exempt stamps, as I used to fly in/out of Thailand on a monthly basis for the last twelve years ; maybe as well, a three months overstay end of 2011, when I was stuck in Nonthaburi floods with a wounded ankle.

But at the end, yes of course after three hours waiting for clearance, I got 30 days.

Since, I have been to Phnom Penh and got a tourist visa and now organize all the paperworks for a Non-O based on marriage.

I know that I should have done that years ago but I am lazy and used to enjoyed my monthly 4/5 days escapades out of Thailand.

[kingstonkid]

The thing is if you are going to be refused because you were an overstay and the new policy kicks in you will be on the computer system as blacklisted. Therefore immigration at the outbound airport will pull you off the plan e before it leaves. If they do not then it is the airlines responsibility to take you back. That can mean wait for an empty seat or sit on the jump seat.

[rhythmworx]

If your flying Emirates book to HKG and notify the airline staff you are getting off in BKK but you need personal assistance should you be refused entry.

If you get refused entry in BKK and can get back to the plane on time with the assistant (sure a re-fuel is involved) off to HKG you go.

[paz]

The thing is if you are going to be refused because you were an overstay and the new policy kicks in you will be on the computer system as blacklisted. Therefore immigration at the outbound airport will pull you off the plan e before it leaves. If they do not then it is the airlines responsibility to take you back. That can mean wait for an empty seat or sit on the jump seat.

There is no such thing as a "computer system" for being blacklisted in Thailand or anywhere else. There is a shared Interpol database for lost and stolen passports, that is the one that MH370 revealed not to be used by Thailand and Malaysia.