France eyes anti-terror travel ban

[webfact]

France proposes anti-terrorist travel bans

PARIS: -- The French government has proposed six-month travel bans to stop citizens travelling to Syria and Iraq to fight alongside Islamist militants.

A new offence of creating an "individual terrorist enterprise", designed to counter the threat of "lone wolves", would also be established.

Government officials say that two or three young Muslims leave France every day to join Islamist groups abroad.

There are fears they will eventually pose a threat to France itself.

A French citizen arrested for the killing of four people at the Brussels Jewish Museum in May, Mehdi Nemmouche, had returned from Syria, after being radicalised in prison.

Another French-born jihadist, Mohamed Merah, killed seven people in Toulouse in 2012 before being shot by police. His victims were three paratroopers as well as three children and a teacher at a Jewish school.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28231947


-- BBC 2014-07-10

[jacko45k]

I think a better approach is to let them go, but prevent them coming back!

[geezer2]

Do what Aus has done cancel their passport so they cant come back..saves a lot of money..

[Scott]

Cancelling a passport does not cancel citizenship. If they are a French citizen, they will most likely need to be returned to France.

[tifino]

they're most likely nationalised immigrants, coming from some other 3rd world earlier on, so why not go all out and revoke their Citizenship?

[kleelof]

Yeah, these ideas seem more sensible.

Not a fan of Jihad, but you cannot restrict someones religious pursuits like that. Especially when they are NOT in France or any other country who will think about doing the same thing.

[PiPiFFS]

As said revoke their citizenship along with their entire families as well. These people have to have some sort of threat that will be held against them for their actions. The time to play hard is long past. The only way you are ever going to deal with these religious savages is to play them at their own game. They may well be willing to go fight jihad themselves but are they prepared to have their entire family deported as well ?

Being kind, welcoming and tolerant of their faith has led to this moment in time and it is all of their own making.

[rethaier]

I think a better approach is to let them go, but prevent them coming back!

I could not be more in agreement with you. If they stay in their country, be it France, UK, Australia or wherever they will simply become an internal problem sometime in the future. Letting them go and canceling their passports is easier. However, one then has to hope they either die there or decide of their own free will to remain, because it is not too hard for them to get a fake passport in the future.

[Bpuumike]

Cancelling a passport does not cancel citizenship. If they are a French citizen, they will most likely need to be returned to France.

If they have no passport, or a cancelled passport, they will be returned to their home country under some sort of supervision and can easily be arrested on arrival.

[rethaier]

As said revoke their citizenship along with their entire families as well. These people have to have some sort of threat that will be held against them for their actions. The time to play hard is long past. The only way you are ever going to deal with these religious savages is to play them at their own game. They may well be willing to go fight jihad themselves but are they prepared to have their entire family deported as well ?

Being kind, welcoming and tolerant of their faith has led to this moment in time and it is all of their own making.

I doubt that they would worry about their families. In fact many of unsound mind, as these animals are, might want their families out of there present countries. After all, the radical jihadists think they know what is best for all and the rest of us are just too stupid to see the light. Furthermore, I think you should rephrase "religious savages" to Muslim savages and call a spade a spade.

[Greer]

Making it an offence against their country with the penalty being loss of citizenship would help dissuade some I hope.

Basically it is going abroad to commit acts of terrorism, so if they are told that they can never return to their country, maybe they will think twice.

[Scott]

In most countries if you are a naturalized citizen, your citizenship can be revoked, but it usually is done because of something you said/did before the citizenship was granted and that you misrepresented your situation on the application. Otherwise, if you break a law, you are sent to jail.

If you are a natural born citizen, then you are usually accorded greater protection. There are a number of international agreements about not making people stateless, which is what would happen.

I believe that in revoking the citizenship of a naturalized citizen, there needs to be an agreement that they have the citizenship of another country.

It's been awhile since I dealt with these issues, but canceling passports and citizenship is a pretty serious matter. It's much easier to identify them, arrest them if they have broken laws and put them on a watch list if they are suspected of being involved in dangerous activities.

[lostsoul49]

Yeah, these ideas seem more sensible.

Not a fan of Jihad, but you cannot restrict someones religious pursuits like that. Especially when they are NOT in France or any other country who will think about doing the same thing.

Murdering in the name of your religion is not a 'religious pursuit'.

What planet are you from?

[The Deerhunter]

Yeah, these ideas seem more sensible.

Not a fan of Jihad, but you cannot restrict someones religious pursuits like that. Especially when they are NOT in France or any other country who will think about doing the same thing.

Murdering in the name of your religion is not a 'religious pursuit'.

What planet are you from?

It used to be a popular religious pursuit a thousand years ago but Europe (officially) grew out of that. Now it has become very popular in many islamic states.

[tifino]

Yeah,....... thing.

Murdering.......... from?

It used to be a popular religious pursuit a thousand years ago but Europe (officially) grew out of that. Now it has become very popular in many islamic states.

so I guess that means they Islamists are so far behind, that they are only now just entering the Dark Ages......

( a bit like how Go-Go dancing only just started getting popular in Russia in the '80to'90s)

........ and all this terror coming on is just their 1066 War of the Roses(petal drink), which could account for their genocidal tendency to wipe out the(ir) heretics.

[a99az]

All of the EU should allow them out and then withdraw there right to ever return along with there families. Why o why should we put out the red carpet for people who clearly have as a people an agenda to cause harm and disrupt our way of life. Could we build churches promote any religion in an arab state while at the same time call for our members to cause harm there. I don't think we would be given a chance before we where given a sound public flogging and then dragged of to the park to have our heads off.

[capcc76]

Yeah, these ideas seem more sensible.

Not a fan of Jihad, but you cannot restrict someones religious pursuits like that. Especially when they are NOT in France or any other country who will think about doing the same thing.

Murdering in the name of your religion is not a 'religious pursuit'.

What planet are you from?

It used to be a popular religious pursuit a thousand years ago but Europe (officially) grew out of that. Now it has become very popular in many islamic states.

Some cultures/people will never catch up or want to remain in a dark ages mentality for selfish reasons.

This does present an interesting dilemma. Would a country really want to keep such people in their own country? Letting them go, revoking their passport and visa and taking their assets under an anti-terrorism act seems the more prudent course than allowing individuals with such a mentality remain and potentially cause harm in your own country.

May have been best not to publicize this so countries can mark these nut bags who try and buy tickets to Syria.

Edited July 10, 2014 by capcc76

[Scott]

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