Lite Beer Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Yingluck’s lawyer asks the NACC not to rush the case BANGKOK: -- Apparently unperturbed by the latest rejection of the National Anti-Corruption Commission, former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra’s lawyer asked the graft-busting body not to rush the case and to allow eight more defence witnesses to testify regarding the rice pledging scheme. Mr Narawich Chaengla argued that he merely wanted to seek justice for Ms Yingluck because the NACC’s charge against her was one-sided and mainly based on the information from the closing accounting subcommittee headed by Ms Supa Piyajitti.He said that both the Public Warehouse Organisation and the Marketing Organisation for Farmers have challenged the subcommittee’s claim of substantial amount of rice has gone missing from the stockpiles.The lawyer also pointed out that the NACC took only 21 days to wrap up the case against Ms Yingluck and there are several people who were involved in the rice pledging scheme who are yet to testify to the NACC.Because the rice pledging scheme involved a lot of money and, as such, he said that the NACC should be fair to the accused.He also insisted that the case would not be delayed even if the eight defence witnesses were given a chance to testify in defence of the former prime minister.Ms Yingluck is facing a charge of negligence of duty in overseeing the rice pledging schem causing heavy damages to the state.’ Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/yinglucks-lawyer-asks-nacc-rush-case/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=yinglucks-lawyer-asks-nacc-rush-case -- Thai PBS 2014-07-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ginjag Posted July 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2014 OH OH Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Please. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I am going to enjoy watching this one unfold. I wonder how far away all the figures for the rice mess are going to be from the physical count. I go with about 15% water, and bug infested, along with at least 15% mould. About 5mn tonnes of product that is all still there, but unusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WitawatWatawit Posted July 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2014 If he has factual information that could assist in Yingluck's defence, then why doesn't he come right out and reveal it? I think we'd all like to hear it. Surely there can't be anything that is prejudicial to the country's commerce that needs to be kept confidential? And why would she care now, anyway? This is pussyfooting around. Weren't previous witnesses rejected because they were simply character witnesses? Is this the same case now with these latest witnesses? 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseFrank Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I thought the ongoing inspections from the NCPO have so far actually confirmed Ms Supa's claims 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post iReason Posted July 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2014 "He said that both the Public Warehouse Organisation and the Marketing Organisation for Farmers have challenged the subcommittee’s claim of substantial amount of rice has gone missing from the stockpiles." Of course they did. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huanga Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Please, please, and please! Thank you, thank you, and thank you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) "Because the rice pledging scheme involved a lot of money and, as such, he said that the NACC should be fair to the accused." With the NACC warning begin of 2013 and Ms. Yingluck having said mid-2013 to have listened, I would assume the NACC didn't really show to be in a hurry or to be unfair. BTW did the lawyer mean to suggest that with minor losses no fairness would be required? Anyway if or when the NACC will rule Ms. Yingluck to have been very negligent indeed and recommend further action I would assume Ms. Yingluck and her legal team will get all time in the world, can hand to the court involved a rather extensive list of witness they'd like to tell all relevant. Edited July 16, 2014 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lostsoul49 Posted July 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2014 Mr Narawich Chaengla argued that he merely wanted to seek justice for Ms Yingluck because the NACC’s charge against her was one-sided and mainly based on the information from the closing accounting subcommittee headed by Ms Supa Piyajitti. No it isn't. It is based on lots of evidence that is actually adding up by the day with the inspections and by the time the inspections are complete you won't have a defence left. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiChai Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 She was the Prime Minister, chair on the committee, ultimately response? Seems obvious she is guilty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBerg Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Nothing wrong with not rushing things. The darling of Isan isn't the fastest person around either. ..."the NACC took only 21 days to wrap up the case against Ms Yingluck"... Then another three weeks to conclude things should be enough. Let the games continue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaidam Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I am going to enjoy watching this one unfold. I wonder how far away all the figures for the rice mess are going to be from the physical count. I go with about 15% water, and bug infested, along with at least 15% mould. About 5mn tonnes of product that is all still there, but unusable. Your stance is that none of the rice is missing. Do you think the elaborate scaffold found in a near empty warehouse with a few bags of rice neatly surrounding it was done a) to increase aeration of grain in the silo, or an elaborate time consuming cover-up of a well organized rice theft? And what is this 5 million tonnes in storage? The PTP was only joking about all the mega deals to china,iraq,nigeria , wherever. They didn't actually sell any. None. There is still supposed to be about 18 million tonnes of what was once rice sitting there, is there not? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I am going to enjoy watching this one unfold. I wonder how far away all the figures for the rice mess are going to be from the physical count. I go with about 15% water, and bug infested, along with at least 15% mould. About 5mn tonnes of product that is all still there, but unusable. Well its allready packed in bags so maybe they can use all those bags in the next flooding, save them time too and no need to find sand and plastic bags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post siampolee Posted July 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Ms Yingluck is facing a charge of negligence of duty in overseeing the rice pledging schem causing heavy damages to the state.’ Seems as if the lady concerned has now begun to realize what a poisoned chalice her delightful brother passed to her in his failed attempt to retain and later consolidate the Shinwatra dynasty. 'Tis a trifle amusing to hear the ''slow down plea'' when one considers the undue haste on a large number of propositions and bills that were propounded by the last administration in their attempts to further their own causes , politically , business and family wise. Comments regarding how the scales of justice appear to be balanced on this matter should be compared to the balance of the scales of justice when the then administration was hunting down its opponents. No doubt about it, the fact is that the Yingluck P.T.P. mirror image is not so pleasant now the image making mirror has changed. Perhaps now Yinglucks brother will change her name to ''Patsy'' so as to honour her services to him and the Shinwatra clan and the coming sacrifice she may have to make. Joan of Arc gave her all and look at her fate Edited July 16, 2014 by siampolee 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post selftaopath Posted July 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2014 He wants justice for Y.S.? Oh I hope he gets his wish. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxme Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) I am going to enjoy watching this one unfold. I wonder how far away all the figures for the rice mess are going to be from the physical count. I go with about 15% water, and bug infested, along with at least 15% mould. About 5mn tonnes of product that is all still there, but unusable. Suitable punishment would be to force anyone that was involved in this scandal to eat a portion of this molded mash until the stock is gone. What about the warehouse managers. Surely they have played some part in this mess. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand Edited July 17, 2014 by maxme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I guess its important to hear these witnesses now before charges are laid and they stampede to the airport Sent from my GT-I9300T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Nonsense posts and a post using overly large and bold font have been removed as well as the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AleG Posted July 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ms Yingluck is facing a charge of negligence of duty in overseeing the rice pledging schem causing heavy damages to the state.’ Seems as if the lady concerned has now begun to realize what a poisoned chalice her delightful brother passed to her in his failed attempt to retain and later consolidate the Shinwatra dynasty. 'Tis a trifle amusing to hear the ''slow down plea'' when one considers the undue haste on a large number of propositions and bills that were propounded by the last administration in their attempts to further their own causes , politically , business and family wise. Comments regarding how the scales of justice appear to be balanced on this matter should be compared to the balance of the scales of justice when the then administration was hunting down its opponents. No doubt about it, the fact is that the Yingluck P.T.P. mirror image is not so pleasant now the image making mirror has changed. Perhaps now Yinglucks brother will change her name to ''Patsy'' so as to honour her services to him and the Shinwatra clan and the coming sacrifice she may have to make. Joan of Arc gave her all and look at her fate 'Tis a trifle amusing to hear the ''slow down plea'' when one considers the undue haste on a large number of propositions and bills that were propounded by the last administration in their attempts to further their own causes Perhaps the NACC should pass its ruling at 4AM in the morning after telling her lawyers they'll hear her witnesses next morning, also change the charges from negligence to fraud without telling anyone beforehand, that's PTPs style, I'm sure she'll like it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I thought the ongoing inspections from the NCPO have so far actually confirmed Ms Supa's claims isn't this obvious all the senior MP's and Deputy PM's spent the last two and a half years counting sacks of rice - that is why they never had time to actually run the country and why it went down the toilet, Yinglucs absence is now explained , she was organising rice counting trips up north Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 "Because the rice pledging scheme involved a lot of money and, as such, he said that the NACC should be fair to the accused." With the NACC warning begin of 2013 and Ms. Yingluck having said mid-2013 to have listened, I would assume the NACC didn't really show to be in a hurry or to be unfair. BTW did the lawyer mean to suggest that with minor losses no fairness would be required? Anyway if or when the NACC will rule Ms. Yingluck to have been very negligent indeed and recommend further action I would assume Ms. Yingluck and her legal team will get all time in the world, can hand to the court involved a rather extensive list of witness they'd like to tell all relevant. "Because the rice pledging scheme involved a lot of money and, as such, he said that the NACC should be fair to the accused taxpayer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolgeoff Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 looking for a way out if she gets a delay in the court proceedings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) I reckon they should put the case on hold until the rice count is completed. THEN they can decide if further witnesses for her are going to be material to her situation or not. If there is a real big amount missing then the case gets easier for them to decide. It is only about negligence not actual corruption. That, could of course come later depending on the results of the accounting in the sheds and in the driver/gardener's bank accounts. And anyone claiming that it only took 21 days to investigate the case before putting it to trial should be slapped with contempt of court. Although,they now seem to be using different wording. I wonder if "wrap-up" the case means the same as investigate, if not what is the legal meaning of "wrap up the case? Doesn't sound a very legal-speak term to me. Mind you, In "The 2557 Thainess Cultural Dictionary" anything is possible. And I am only a (very poor) Falang who would/could not understand Edited July 17, 2014 by The Deerhunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 those mouldy bags of rice, hopefully they are good for absorbing the comming floods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstonkid Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I AGREE WITH YS LAWYER. LET'S NOT BE TOO HASTY The longer they take the more the NCPO will be able to get proof that she and others screwed the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petedk Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Now she has asked to be allowed to leave the country to visit her brother. No wonder she wants to delay the verdict ...... until after she has left the country. Sent from my SM-G900F using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Just how can we be sure that the audit can be conclusive when soldiers are implicated in stealing large amount of rice. Don't see the rationale to rush since the mission to get rid of her and the government has been accompished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 looking for a way out if she gets a delay in the court proceedings. Indeed. She delayed and delayed replying to the Ombudsman's questions on the passport her cousin illegally issued to her brother. That seems to have simply all died a death, presumably as the Ombudsman gave up hope of ever being answered or was scared off. She probably thinks that this will simply go away too if she can delay long enough; or maybe big brother will somehow get the family back in power and make it go away. The longer it drags on and the more she can delay it the more chance of wiggling out. The lawyer is playing the game as all lawyers do when they have little real material to work with, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Just how can we be sure that the audit can be conclusive when soldiers are implicated in stealing large amount of rice. Don't see the rationale to rush since the mission to get rid of her and the government has been accompished. She certainly never rushed to pay the farmers on time; or take action to prevent the suicides of so many ruined by her family's scheme. There is a need to action this expeditiously to get at all the information before it's "lost" for whatever reasons; to get the real information of exactly how much has been lost; and to make sure it can never be repeated. Part of that is showing people quick action can be taken when necessary. Not rush and/or sloppy but quick and thorough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Now she has asked to be allowed to leave the country to visit her brother. No wonder she wants to delay the verdict ...... until after she has left the country. Sent from my SM-G900F using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Good one. "I'm facing investigations and probes on serious charges, with possibly more to follow. I would like leave the country to visit my convicted criminal fugitive brother who fled to avoid a jail sentence rather that appeal it and face the other 15 outstanding criminal charges against him. I will come back when required". Hmmm. Would you trust her to return? Didn't someone file murder charges against her already too? Edited July 17, 2014 by Baerboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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