Thousands march for Gaza in London, clashes in Paris over Israeli onslaught

[Jay Sata]

What rocket attacks and tunnels?

How many Jewish people have been killed by those compared to the warmonger Netanyahu and his brigade over the last month?

More Jewish mothers have lost their children via the Israeli army than Hamas have killed in years.

The Zionists who run Israel are responsible for sending young conscripts to their death and as the death toll rises Netanyahu will have to face the fact he will not win.

I hope he either ends up I a cell in The Hague or rotting in purgatory like Sharon for years.

[DPIZZA]

WHO has said today that essential drugs in Gaza are at zero or near zero.

This means drugs for mums and bubs, not wounded soldiers.

Israel will not allow these drugs entry into Gaza. In fact, they have destroyed 23 medical facilities that were involved in providing care to civilians during the current invasion.

 

Yet more reasons to launch an inquiry into Crimes Against Humanity  - with or without Israeli participation.

It is a lie that Israel doesnt let medical care into Gaza, but it was already answered here by someone else.

Maybe there was a momentary shortage and delay in supply, but over all, Israel is providing medical supply, food, water, electricity and fuel to Gaza.

Israel also opened a field hospital right at the border, where it receives wounded Palestinians including Hamas terrorists who were wounded in battle.

It is Hamas who cynically hampers the efforts of Israel to supply humanitarian aid:

When the field hospital opened, and they still had control over the area, they prevented Palis from accessing it.

Also they damaged an electricity line going into Gaza, waiting for the crew to come and fix it, so they can attack them.

But the WORST THING is that they hide inside civilian populations, hospitals, mosques, schools, esc.. storing weapons inside, and shooting rockets from inside the facilities!

 

But the propaganda of Hamas is very efficient, because normal logical people cant believe how evil Hamas is, and refuse to accept it.

Furthermore, most of the media coming from Gaza is supplied by Palestinian reporters, who are employed by foreign News agencies.

Only a few agencies ever doubt those news items or even check the background of these reporters.

When it comes to foreign reporters, they are facing threats from Hamas when their reporting is not for their liking.

 

Here is what Hamas is doing to someone they suspected of collaborating with Israel: 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWzcs63Haik

 

Here is one of those cases where a reporter is honest and brave enough to tell the truth:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-e5qWXx-k

[Jay Sata]

The answer to the problem to to isolate and cut Israel off just like South Africa.

Netanyahu has lost the plot and gone mad.

[DPIZZA]

 

WHO has said today that essential drugs in Gaza are at zero or near zero.

This means drugs for mums and bubs, not wounded soldiers.

Israel will not allow these drugs entry into Gaza. In fact, they have destroyed 23 medical facilities that were involved in providing care to civilians during the current invasion.

 

Yet more reasons to launch an inquiry into Crimes Against Humanity  - with or without Israeli participation.

The pictures emerging from this latest military adventure by Netanyahu make you question his logic and conscience.

 

The Palestinian civilian deaths are a terrible tragedy but paint a picture that will be hard to erase from the minds of decent people accross the world.

 

In my mind the use of high power modern explosive on a confined defenseless  population is nothing short of barbaric.

 

This is from the UK charity Christian Aid

 

Thousands who have fled the bombings in the neighbourhood of Shejaya in Gaza have witnessed utterly disturbing violence. One eyewitness told our partner:

• ‘Bombs were raining on our heads everywhere. We ran as fast as we could. Many were falling down, but we could not look back. There were 50 of us, but only 12 made it out alive.'

 

Mr.Sata, your post is a pure propaganda tool for Hamas, not because it is not true, but:

 

1. You do not mention the pretext or background for the reason civilians dying, which is the adventure Hamas decided to embark when it attacked Israel, nor the economic hardship Hamas had before this conflict started.

2. You also only bring very emotional descriptions in contrast to informative descriptions, which is the difference between news and propaganda.

3. You never mention all the measures Israel is taking to minimize collateral damage, like phone calls and sms to households around the area they plan to attack, dropping of leaflets, continuous supply of medicine, food, water and electricity, aborting hits where many civilians gather, esc...

4. You never even mention the fact that Hamas refused many cease fires, and the few it accepted (humanitarian) it broke by using them as a tactic to attack Israeli forces, Thus deciding to prolong the conflict.

5. and finally, not a single word of Hamas using civilians as human shields, and civilian centers like hospitals to launch rockets, and hide they commanders!

 

 

Netanyahu is elected PM of Israel, and as such, his first responsibility is to uphold the security of the nation.

He is doing the best that he can to stop the terror attacks from Gaza, weather they in the form of rockets or terror from tunnels under Israeli territory.

He countless times wanted to reach a cease fire agreement with Hamas and accepted the proposals of the Arab league, Saudis, Palestinian Authority and Egypt, but was rejected by Hamas!

 

So any complains you have please address them to the Hamas.

[Jay Sata]

Well the number one financier of Israel is now saying enough.

The United States said on Sunday it was appalled by the disgraceful shelling by Israel of a United Nations school sheltering some 3,000 displaced people in southern Gaza.

In language that was rare in its directness and severity, the US denounced the attack which occurred earlier in the day and killed 10 people, noting that the school had been designated a protected location and the Israel Defense Forces had been informed numerous times of the schools coordinates.

The State Department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, called on Israel to do more to meet its own standards and avoid civilian casualties.

The United States is appalled by todays disgraceful shelling outside an UNRWA [United Nations Relief and Works Agency] school in Rafah sheltering some 3,000 displaced persons, in which at least 10 more Palestinian civilians were tragically killed, Psaki said in a statement.

[Morch]

Well the number one financier of Israel is now saying enough.

The United States said on Sunday it was appalled by the disgraceful shelling by Israel of a United Nations school sheltering some 3,000 displaced people in southern Gaza.

In language that was rare in its directness and severity, the US denounced the attack which occurred earlier in the day and killed 10 people, noting that the school had been designated a protected location and the Israel Defense Forces had been informed numerous times of the schools coordinates.

The State Department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, called on Israel to do more to meet its own standards and avoid civilian casualties.

The United States is appalled by todays disgraceful shelling outside an UNRWA [United Nations Relief and Works Agency] school in Rafah sheltering some 3,000 displaced persons, in which at least 10 more Palestinian civilians were tragically killed, Psaki said in a statement.

 

Links are beneath you, I presume?
 

[Morch]

Hamas...Hamas ...Hamas...

Have they killed over 2000 Jewish civilians in the last month?

The so called Hamas rockets that this slaughter is based on by warmonger Netanyahu kill just a handful of people.

The Zionists running Israel need to be brought before the international courts in The Hague for the ethnic cleansing programme they are carrying out akin to Bosnia.

 

So you're not happy the casualty lists are more balanced, got it.

What "ethnic cleansing" would that be, and how does it compare with other instances of "ethnic cleansing"?

Are the Palestinians moving out of the Gaza Strip? Is Israel taking over Gaza Strip again?

 

 

[Morch]

What rocket attacks and tunnels?

How many Jewish people have been killed by those compared to the warmonger Netanyahu and his brigade over the last month?

More Jewish mothers have lost their children via the Israeli army than Hamas have killed in years.

The Zionists who run Israel are responsible for sending young conscripts to their death and as the death toll rises Netanyahu will have to face the fact he will not win.

I hope he either ends up I a cell in The Hague or rotting in purgatory like Sharon for years.

 

Right, no rocket attacks, no terrorist attacks via tunnels. Good think you're calling other blinkered and worse.

The disparity in casualties does not change the fact that these exist and they constitute a threat.

 

There's no purgatory.
 

[simple1]

 

 

 

If the Gazans shoot rockets on Israel because of occupation in West Bank, why doesnt the "west bankers" shoot rockets as well? are they inept?

 

Ever considered that only 11 percent of the West Bank is under full Palestinian control, but subject at any time to Israeli military incursions? 61 percent of West Bank under full Israeli military control? Perhaps right now there are not any rockets stored in relatively secure locations such as tunnels for deployment?

 

 

Well, this sort of reasoning may be counter-productive to the chances of getting Israel to withdraw from the West Bank...
 

 

 

good point

[kblaze]

 

As long as Hamas controls Gaza, as long as its leaders making billions of dollars from the conflict, as long as there is a culture of death and martyrdom among the Palestinians, there will never be an end to this, and this will be only one of many operations to come.

 

 

 

 

Nope.

 

Hamas has no financial records so anything is hearsay. 

 

They may have a billionaire "backer" who lives in Qatar, but they themselves are not billionaires. Stop spouting nonsense or provide a credible link.

 

Would you live in Gaza if you had a billion dollars?

[Ulysses G.]

Hamas has no financial records so anything is hearsay.

Now, that is convincing. 

[Steely Dan]

 
As long as Hamas controls Gaza, as long as its leaders making billions of dollars from the conflict, as long as there is a culture of death and martyrdom among the Palestinians, there will never be an end to this, and this will be only one of many operations to come.
 
 

 
 
Nope.
 
Hamas has no financial records so anything is hearsay. 
 
They may have a billionaire "backer" who lives in Qatar, but they themselves are not billionaires. Stop spouting nonsense or provide a credible link.
 
Would you live in Gaza if you had a billion dollars?

The cost of the tunnels dug by Hamas is thus far estimated at $2 billion, thanks to all who donated to the useful idiots fund.


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[simple1]

 

 

 
As long as Hamas controls Gaza, as long as its leaders making billions of dollars from the conflict, as long as there is a culture of death and martyrdom among the Palestinians, there will never be an end to this, and this will be only one of many operations to come.
 
 

 
 
Nope.
 
Hamas has no financial records so anything is hearsay. 
 
They may have a billionaire "backer" who lives in Qatar, but they themselves are not billionaires. Stop spouting nonsense or provide a credible link.
 
Would you live in Gaza if you had a billion dollars?

The cost of the tunnels dug by Hamas is thus far estimated at $2 billion, thanks to all who donated to the useful idiots fund.


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Some of those useful idiots are US & other western countries regional allies.

 

More importantly Hamas building all these tunnels up to the Israeli border indicates a massive failure, on many fronts, by Israeli security agencies. A quote from an IDF senior officer last week “never before has the army had such quality intelligence before an operation” - wonder who will get fired / forced to resign. Quoted from:

 

Hamas’ terror tunnels - a national strategic failure for Israel

 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.606510

 

 

Edited August 4, 2014 by simple1

[Morch]

 

 

As long as Hamas controls Gaza, as long as its leaders making billions of dollars from the conflict, as long as there is a culture of death and martyrdom among the Palestinians, there will never be an end to this, and this will be only one of many operations to come.

 

 

 

 

Nope.  Hamas has no financial records so anything is hearsay. 

 

They may have a billionaire "backer" who lives in Qatar, but they themselves are not billionaires. Stop spouting nonsense or provide a credible link.

 

Would you live in Gaza if you had a billion dollars?

 

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4543634,00.html

 

Now, I guess you will want to dismiss this as it comes from an Israeli media source, but before you do consider the following: The actual source is info-prod, which while being an Israeli firm, is actually quite respected in this field, as is the writer of this article specifically.

 

Moreover, many of the instances described can be found on other media sources, some accredited in the text (admittedly, not  always in English).

[Morch]

 

 

 

 
As long as Hamas controls Gaza, as long as its leaders making billions of dollars from the conflict, as long as there is a culture of death and martyrdom among the Palestinians, there will never be an end to this, and this will be only one of many operations to come.
 
 

 
 
Nope.
 
Hamas has no financial records so anything is hearsay. 
 
They may have a billionaire "backer" who lives in Qatar, but they themselves are not billionaires. Stop spouting nonsense or provide a credible link.
 
Would you live in Gaza if you had a billion dollars?

The cost of the tunnels dug by Hamas is thus far estimated at $2 billion, thanks to all who donated to the useful idiots fund.


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Some of those useful idiots are US & other western countries regional allies.

 

More importantly Hamas building all these tunnels up to the Israeli border indicates a massive failure, on many fronts, by Israeli security agencies. A quote from an IDF senior officer last week “never before has the army had such quality intelligence before an operation” - wonder who will get fired / forced to resign. Quoted from:

 

Hamas’ terror tunnels - a national strategic failure for Israel

 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.606510

 

 

 

 

Most of the tunnel building issues can be narrowed down to involvement of Qatari, Egyptian, Turkish and Iranian (through Hezbollah) elements.

 

Some heads will roll for sure, and backside covering operations of the IDF vs. politicians and vice versa are already evident. Similar worries raised regarding the possibility of Hezbollah having the same (and better) around Israel's northern border. 

[tpazzi]

The answer to the problem to to isolate and cut Israel off just like South Africa.

Netanyahu has lost the plot and gone mad.

 

 

I agree with you on both points, but it won't happen.  

 

Israel receives $3.4Billion/year in foreign aid from the US and spends the first $600 Million back on pro-Israeli advocacy PR campaigns in order to keep American public opinion, and thus the politicians in Washington, on their side.   Washington then keeps the rest of the international community at bay and Israel is free to do as they please.

 

They gave figured out the game and they play it very well.

[Jingthing]

The answer to the problem to to isolate and cut Israel off just like South Africa.

Netanyahu has lost the plot and gone mad.

Not isolated enough, you think?

 

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Edited August 4, 2014 by Jingthing

[7by7]

The fighting and slaughter of civilians will continue because Israel refuses to negotiate with Hamas, who they, rightly or wrongly, consider to be a terrorist organisation.

 

Let's look at another situation from recent history; Northern Ireland.

 

The IRA was, and still is, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the destruction of Northern Ireland as a separate entity and it's forced absorption into the Republic of Ireland.

 

From the late 1960s to the early 1990s they used, among other terror tactics, a bombing campaign against the UK and the Ulster unionists, mainly in Northern Ireland but in mainland Britain as well, which killed far more innocent civilians than Hamas have.

 

For most of that time, both Labour and Tory governments, Thatcher especially, refused to negotiate with terrorists. So the Troubles went on and on with more and more deaths. (I am fully aware, of course, that there were and still are Unionist terrorist groups as well.)

 

Then came a change of heart and the British government, first under Major, then under Blair, agreed to negotiate with the IRA, or at least it's public face Sinn Fein, without any preconditions and as a result came the Good Friday agreement in 1998.

 

Since then, despite occasional atrocities from both republican terrorists and unionist ones, there has been peace in Northern Ireland.

 

Maybe if the Israeli government agreed to sit down and negotiate with Hamas without any preconditions, as the British government did with the IRA, the slaughter would stop.

 

A slim chance for peace? Maybe, but better than no chance at all.

[Morch]

 

The answer to the problem to to isolate and cut Israel off just like South Africa.

Netanyahu has lost the plot and gone mad.

 

 

I agree with you on both points, but it won't happen.  

 

Israel receives $3.4Billion/year in foreign aid from the US and spends the first $600 Million back on pro-Israeli advocacy PR campaigns in order to keep American public opinion, and thus the politicians in Washington, on their side.   Washington then keeps the rest of the international community at bay and Israel is free to do as they please.

 

They gave figured out the game and they play it very well.

 

 

Any link to support the claim that Israel uses over 1/6 of the USA aid on PR campaigns?

Also, any thoughts on most of the USA aid being essentially a subsidy for USA weapon firms (most of it is earmarked

and conditioned on purchases made in the USA)?
 

[Morch]

The fighting and slaughter of civilians will continue because Israel refuses to negotiate with Hamas, who they, rightly or wrongly, consider to be a terrorist organisation.

 

Let's look at another situation from recent history; Northern Ireland.

 

The IRA was, and still is, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the destruction of Northern Ireland as a separate entity and it's forced absorption into the Republic of Ireland.

 

From the late 1960s to the early 1990s they used, among other terror tactics, a bombing campaign against the UK and the Ulster unionists, mainly in Northern Ireland but in mainland Britain as well, which killed far more innocent civilians than Hamas have.

 

For most of that time, both Labour and Tory governments, Thatcher especially, refused to negotiate with terrorists. So the Troubles went on and on with more and more deaths. (I am fully aware, of course, that there were and still are Unionist terrorist groups as well.)

 

Then came a change of heart and the British government, first under Major, then under Blair, agreed to negotiate with the IRA, or at least it's public face Sinn Fein, without any preconditions and as a result came the Good Friday agreement in 1998.

 

Since then, despite occasional atrocities from both republican terrorists and unionist ones, there has been peace in Northern Ireland.

 

Maybe if the Israeli government agreed to sit down and negotiate with Hamas without any preconditions, as the British government did with the IRA, the slaughter would stop.

 

A slim chance for peace? Maybe, but better than no chance at all.

 

Had a nice argument going until you got to the first line. Israel refuses to negotiate with Hamas. Not, Hamas refuses to negotiate with Israel, no both sides refuse to negotiate with each other. It is all Israel. Hamas practically begging to get talking.

 

Israel for years had similar issues with the Fatah. Things did not change before the Palestinians dropped the armed struggle and destruction of Israel parts of the agenda. When Hamas does the same, there could be negotiations.

 

Unless you missed it, the Hamas is mounting quite a few preconditions of itself, whenever any ceasefire or truce are mentioned. But since you pile it all on Israel's plate anyway, details shouldn't bother you.

[Ulysses G.]

Maybe if the Israeli government agreed to sit down and negotiate with Hamas without any preconditions, as the British government did with the IRA, the slaughter would stop.

Did the IRA charter call for the eradication of Britain? Did the Irish fire over 10,000 rockets into Britain? The IRA were quite sane in comparison to Hamas. Hamas need to officially renounce their hateful charter before any negotiations should even be considered. As usual, in your book, it's always Israel fault. 

Edited August 4, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[dr_lucas]

 

The answer to the problem to to isolate and cut Israel off just like South Africa.

Netanyahu has lost the plot and gone mad.

Not isolated enough, you think?

 

10505335_341164049371531_690205355912607787_n.jpg

 

 

For some, Israel will be sufficiently isolated only when it cease to exist.
By the way, @Jungthing, Do you realize that each and every pic you post can not be displayed or downloaded?

[kblaze]

 

 

 

As long as Hamas controls Gaza, as long as its leaders making billions of dollars from the conflict, as long as there is a culture of death and martyrdom among the Palestinians, there will never be an end to this, and this will be only one of many operations to come.

 

 

 

 

Nope.  Hamas has no financial records so anything is hearsay. 

 

They may have a billionaire "backer" who lives in Qatar, but they themselves are not billionaires. Stop spouting nonsense or provide a credible link.

 

Would you live in Gaza if you had a billion dollars?

 

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4543634,00.html

 

Now, I guess you will want to dismiss this as it comes from an Israeli media source, but before you do consider the following: The actual source is info-prod, which while being an Israeli firm, is actually quite respected in this field, as is the writer of this article specifically.

 

Moreover, many of the instances described can be found on other media sources, some accredited in the text (admittedly, not  always in English).

 

 

I've used ynetnews myself before. 

 

Sure the writing is a bit slanted (particularly the bit in first paragraph; "the Strip's economic outlook for the Strip was never good" - well why? its convenient that they don't bring up the blockade..

 

But it is a legit source, and I'm glad you posted it. 

 

The problem is however, you appear to have misread the key paragraph in question; 

 

"In 2012, a Jordanian website reported that Mashal had control of a massive $2.6 billion, in large part deposited in Qatari and Egyptian banks. This is likely Hamas' accumulated assets from years through donations, as well as its investments in various projects in the Arab and Muslim world. It is also known that, among other things, Hamas has invested in real estate projects in Saudi Arabia, Syria and Dubai. And, according to reports, Mashal did not always separate Hamas money and his own."

 

The 2.6bn figure from a Jordanian website is ALL of HAMAS' assets. Not Mashal's assets. 

[Morch]

 

 

 

 

As long as Hamas controls Gaza, as long as its leaders making billions of dollars from the conflict, as long as there is a culture of death and martyrdom among the Palestinians, there will never be an end to this, and this will be only one of many operations to come.

 

 

 

 

Nope.  Hamas has no financial records so anything is hearsay. 

 

They may have a billionaire "backer" who lives in Qatar, but they themselves are not billionaires. Stop spouting nonsense or provide a credible link.

 

Would you live in Gaza if you had a billion dollars?

 

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4543634,00.html

 

Now, I guess you will want to dismiss this as it comes from an Israeli media source, but before you do consider the following: The actual source is info-prod, which while being an Israeli firm, is actually quite respected in this field, as is the writer of this article specifically.

 

Moreover, many of the instances described can be found on other media sources, some accredited in the text (admittedly, not  always in English).

 

 

I've used ynetnews myself before. 

 

Sure the writing is a bit slanted (particularly the bit in first paragraph; "the Strip's economic outlook for the Strip was never good" - well why? its convenient that they don't bring up the blockade..

 

But it is a legit source, and I'm glad you posted it. 

 

The problem is however, you appear to have misread the key paragraph in question; 

 

"In 2012, a Jordanian website reported that Mashal had control of a massive $2.6 billion, in large part deposited in Qatari and Egyptian banks. This is likely Hamas' accumulated assets from years through donations, as well as its investments in various projects in the Arab and Muslim world. It is also known that, among other things, Hamas has invested in real estate projects in Saudi Arabia, Syria and Dubai. And, according to reports, Mashal did not always separate Hamas money and his own."

 

The 2.6bn figure from a Jordanian website is ALL of HAMAS' assets. Not Mashal's assets. 

 

 

I don't recall the Gaza Strip really being that much prosperous, although there was some hope things would improve. Not such a great place even before the blockade, but obviously it made the situation worse.

 

The claim, which is quite wide spread and accepted even among Palestinians (but not necessarily Hamas supporters) is that like many Palestinian leaders, Mashaal is not to strict with distinction when it comes to his own pocket and the public funds entrusted to him. This is also mentioned in the quote, guess it would depend on how much one trusts Mashaal's integrity. Similar thing with Mousa Abu Marzook.

 

And, recalling the no Hamas financial records, here is an article, which while not necessarily answer these questions, is quite interesting in itself http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/iw/originals/2013/01/hamas-budget-transparency.html#

 

 

[Clutch]

Don't worry UG, it's been the same for overs 2,000 years. I wonder why?

[kblaze]

 

 

 

 

 

 I don't recall the Gaza Strip really being that much prosperous, although there was some hope things would improve.

Not such a great place even before the blockade, but obviously it made the situation worse.

 

The claim, which is quite wide spread and accepted even among Palestinians (but not necessarily Hamas supporters) is

that like many Palestinian leaders, Mashaal is not to strict with distinction when it comes to his own pocket and the public

funds entrusted to him. This is also mentioned in the quote, guess it would depend on how much one trusts Mashaal's

integrity. Similar thing with Mousa Abu Marzook.

 

And, recalling the no Hamas financial records, here is an article, which while not necessarily answer these questions, is

quite interesting in itself http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/iw/originals/2013/01/hamas-budget-transparency.html#

 

 

 

 

The fact is no Hamas leaders are billionaires. That was the point of contention. You tried to post a link showing otherwise, and I pointed out that you had misread. 

 

The link you point shows their budget, not financial records.

[Bwanatickey]

 

 

As per usual, there are lots of neo-Nazis and other anti-Semitic, hate groups out there fueling these things.


Neo-Nazis take centre stage at London anti-Israel protests

Prominent Holocaust deniers took centre stage during recent anti-Israel demonstrations in London, where participants included such prominent neo-Nazis as James Thring and Lady Michèle Renouf, as well as members of the far-Right Neturei Karta sect. The protest was organised by a variety of far-Left and extreme Islamist organisations, including War on Want, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Stop the War Coalition, Islamic Forum of Europe, British Muslim Initiative, Palestinian Forum in Britain and Friends of Al Aqsa
http://standforpeace...srael-protests/
 
 
According to the Rundschau, student organization Left-SDS, Islamists and some members of the Neo-Nazi group National Socialists Rhein-Main attended the anti-Israel protest. Flags from Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Hamas were on display at the protest.
http://www.jpost.com...peration-362742

http://standforpeace...srael-protests/

As per usual, the tired old defense that anyone protesting against Israel is either a neo-Nazi or Anti-Semitic.
 
 

As per usual, the tired old defense denying that that many of those protesting against Israel are either neo-Nazis or Anti-Semitic, when it is a provable fact with plenty of excellent reporting on it..

 

 

London’s pro-Palestine rally was a disgusting anti-Semitic spectacle

 

But what a picture. These are the people who stayed at home throughout the Syrian civil war, stayed at home when ISIS rampaged across Iraq, stayed at home when Boko Haram and Al-Shabaab carried out their atrocities across central Africa and showed no concern whatsoever when the Muslim Brotherhood was running Egypt into the ground. Yet they pretend to care about Muslims.

And here they all are, coming out to scream because Israel is carrying out the most specific and targeted campaign in the history of warfare in order to stop Hamas – a group dedicated to the annihilation of all Jews – from firing thousands of rockets into the Jewish homeland.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/07/londons-pro-palestine-rally-was-a-disgusting-anti-semitic-spectacle/

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcB_DZ4YQYQ

 

You see all these other Wars, and facts about percentages of equivalent numbers of U.K or U.S.A populations suffering rocket attacks on them, to convince us that we are in the same boat as you, may be slick talk.

But it just does not wash with the General public any more, the reasons ordinary folks have stayed at home and not protested against other Middle Eastern wars is simple.

Work it out for yourselves, then you will get the picture,

Oh don't forget to mention that over 1 million protesters protested in London against the Tony Blairs invasion of Iraq. That was a Middle Eastern war protested against.

meanwhile continue the rhetoric.

[Bwanatickey]

Same people really need to stop using the 4 kids on the beach as some kind of example.

 

It has been already said, their parents did not allow them to go on the beach, but they disobeyed and went.

 

Yes tragic, but they were not targets and if parents watched them, they would not have been on the beach.

 

The boys had apparently been told by their fisherman parents not to go outside amid the recurrent Israeli aerial attacks. But the urge to stretch their legs in the sunshine was too strong.

 

http://edition.cnn.c...flict-children/

Cannot believe what I am reading, how many times have you told your children not to do something and they do not listen, how many times as a teenager you where told  by your parents not to go there.

And you did.

Then a Naval ship kills you in cold blood and it is the kids fault for not listening to their parents.

[Jingthing]

Not the kid's fault and also not intentional murder by Israel. Things aren't always black and white. 

[Morch]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 I don't recall the Gaza Strip really being that much prosperous, although there was some hope things would improve.

Not such a great place even before the blockade, but obviously it made the situation worse.

 

The claim, which is quite wide spread and accepted even among Palestinians (but not necessarily Hamas supporters) is

that like many Palestinian leaders, Mashaal is not to strict with distinction when it comes to his own pocket and the public

funds entrusted to him. This is also mentioned in the quote, guess it would depend on how much one trusts Mashaal's

integrity. Similar thing with Mousa Abu Marzook.

 

And, recalling the no Hamas financial records, here is an article, which while not necessarily answer these questions, is

quite interesting in itself http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/iw/originals/2013/01/hamas-budget-transparency.html#

 

 

 

 

The fact is no Hamas leaders are billionaires. That was the point of contention. You tried to post a link showing otherwise, and I pointed out that you had misread. 

 

The link you point shows their budget, not financial records.

 

 

Well, like I said, that would depend on how you see people such as Mashalll and Marzook. I doubt that they do not

put their hand in the cookie jar, you may believe otherwise. The question of whether they billionaires or millionaires

is not that relevant, in my opinion. That they are quite rich is obvious, if one chooses to attribute that to only to their

good fortune and business acumen, that works to. Fairy tales are sorely needed in these harsh times. As for Hamas

leadership in Gaza, well, might not be that rich, but many have done well for themselves, including Haniyeh.

 

I said myself the link above is not exactly related, thought it would make interesting reading for some posters.